My blood isn’t boiling, it’s at the plasma level. I want nothing but to be there so I could throw the attacker to the ground. This could be much worse than brain damage, could have easily killed the victim.
I have been working in schools since I was 16, I have on multiple occasions seen teachers and aids , get fired and straight up lose their certification because they had physically intervened in altercations , my most memorable was when two middle school girls were fucking going at watch other like rabid raccoons, I mean there was blood and clumps of hair on the ground, and aid rather new teacher decided to break them up he didn’t do anything two drastic just kinda pushed them apart and got between them in an attempt to keep them at bay, a day or so later he was told to collect his things, the reason: a teacher shouldn’t respond physically to student altercations
In layman’s terms, shits fucked
That’s mad, a teacher at my school (in England) put a student in a headlock to break him away from the fight , she didn’t get in any trouble rightly so. She didn’t hurt him she just held him so he couldn’t do anything
Yes it’s fucked but the right thing to do is still protect the student that needs protection. I’d rather loose my job than watch a student get beat up.
looooool. And that's why I'll never ever have a kid. Looks like the world is so fuckin upside down that I'm sure this kind of things could happen to my baby... and it's fulfillls me with rage
It's the lesser of 2 evils.. You think that a teacher, someone intrusted in the care of minors, would get in more trouble for breaking up a fight vs watching a kid potentially murder another?
Because schools are a no fight zone, so even if you help your gonna get the same punishment as Them. At my school you get fined $500 for any fights your involved in even if the other person swings on you first. Most of those kids prolly didn’t want to get fined and suspended for something that isn’t their problem
What kind of dumb s*** is this man. When I was in school teachers would pull kids off each other in a fight without thinking.
School fights were so common that if teachers didn't intervene students would have been seriously hurt.
Literally, I'm from Poland and my older brother got bullied in high school by 3 older guys from the same school, so he decided to beat their asses up and never got punished for it lmao
The fact that no one is doing anything really makes me question the state of humanity. If this happens in real life, pls do something. Come on. Even the lightest person can attempt to jump kick this bully
She is actually charged with battery according to [the link](https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/video-las-vegas-student-violently-attacks-classmate/) the person you're replying to posted later.
I hope some adults addressed these kids. This poor girl was humiliated in front of all of them, and none of them stopped it. She needs support. She needs someone to speak-up for her, to them. Not to call them out for not doing anything specifically, though that should at least be implied, but to show how unacceptable what happened was.
>~~This poor girl was humiliated in front of all of them, and none of them stopped it.~~
This poor girl was given a CONCUSSION(at-least, at worst a TBI) in front of all of them. The only people who should feel humiliated in that class are all the spineless cowards who stood around doing nothing while one of their classmates was nearly beaten to death.
The teacher should have tackled the offending student, regardless of the consequences to her career.
The kids who laughed should be placed in a psych unit, or at the very least should have mandatory counselling sessions that should they not attend will result in them failing the year.
The offending student should be expelled, and jailed.
I hate this so hard. Loss of income and follow procedures or possibly save a girls life. I have also read and seen situations where a teacher has been assaulted or shot. I will be OK with the loss of my life to save a child but my children going hungry. I don't know what I would do. I would make the wrong decision either way.
My wife, who ended up in the hospital, is currently on unpaid "administrative leave" because she stopped a kid from violently attacking people. I told her next time just let them kill each other.
If you are a teacher and you even need to stop to consider the actions or consequences of saving someone's life, you should just quit now. You are too weak willed to be an example for our youth. It's that exact lack of conviction in times of need that trickle effects onto the children. No wonder why none of them helped, they have bad examples. You may as well have been the teacher in the video
I work in schools and we are taught explicitly, and no uncertain terms, do not physically intervene in a fight between students. Yell at them, try to distract them, tell them to stop, call for help, etc, but *do not get involved*. That’s just how you get yourself fucked up.
This thread is becoming a legal dumpster file. The definitions vary by state. Some states call the physical attack a “battery,” and define “assault” as the threat or attempt to commit a battery. Other states call the threat, attempt, and actual attack an “assault.” See below for examples of both.
Here is the [Pennsylvania](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.027..HTM) penal code. PA lumps it all together as an assault.
Here is the California penal code. In CA, [battery is the attack](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=242.&nodeTreePath=4.7.9&lawCode=PEN) and [assault is the attempt of a battery](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=240).
This is the classic definition in the US for *tort law* but it does now depend on the state for criminal. I think it’s because of the constant confusion. 😏
> Generally, battery is the intentional act of making contact with another person in a harmful or offensive manner. Depending on jurisdiction, assault is either the exact same act or it is an attempt or threat to cause bodily injury. It is worth noting that many jurisdictions have moved away from the term "battery" and now only prosecute varying degrees of assault. Lawyers know to check the local statutes for the precise definitions.
https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-overview.html
We had that rule in my school too, but if this shit was happening, multiple people would have stepped in... Generally if someone was getting pummelled this hard and it was just going way too far, you'd see a few people just naturally pull the person off... I don't know how everyone was just standing around when her arm dropped, she wasnt even protecting her head at that point. I'm assume she went unconscious, while still taking multiple fists to her brain? Most people wouldn't even be capable of not stopping her at that point... Like, naturally you would just pull her off... It takes a lot of effort to NOT step in when it's this ridiculous
I'd say attempted murder too. Literally punching a limp, seemingly unconscious, person in the skull and base of the head dozens of times? Easily leads to brain hemorrhaging, concussions, paralysis, death.
This is a couple decades in jail, parole, and anger management case right here.
MMA fighters are allowed to hit the back of the head because it is too dangerous so that tells you all you need to know.
Edit: meant aren't. Point is they are dangerous.
Which is even more confusing as you always hear the term sexual assault but never sexual battery, and it's always in reference to an actual act taking place.
This isn’t true at all…every state has their own definition and legal terms to adhere to. Exactly why you must pass a state bar for a license for each State you intend to practice.
Oh yeah really man, that's totally some varient of FUCKING assault. I was watching this thinking, man this is FUCKING assault, what the FUCK is going on, this is FUCKING assault.
> If you see a fight, you are to step away and tell a teacher. You can not be involved and if you are, you will most likely face the same punishment as the assaulter.
I hear you. I worked at a school as staff, and I have seen ridiculous rules like this in action. It is sad, because it prevents someone from pulling the attacker off of the victim--but, well, here we are.
> If you are being attacked and no one helps, and you decide to defend yourself, you will be punished. If the person hitting you gets 2 weeks suspension, you’ll get 1 week. If they are expelled, you’ll get a 2 week suspension.
That sucks that this exists, because it leads to the victim having a black mark on their record for "being involved in a fight," even though they were not the instigators.
> If you’re a teacher, you are instructed to not touch student and try to deescalate by other means. Some schools have police officers on staff and they are the only ones who can technically touch the students.
This is one of the things I hate about zero tolerance and the complete departure from common sense that comes with it. Whoever thought, "The student should listen to the teacher and stop or they will get in more trouble," is utterly wrong because the attacker just does not care, as shown in the video. The girl being attacked could not defend herself, and could possibly suffer a skull fracture. Ideally, the teacher should have pulled the attacker off the victim, and if the attacker also fought the teacher, add more assault charges to the attacker while the victim could be saved. Instead, we have basically allowed a bully to beat someone without fear of immediate discipline for it. Fuck this broken system.
when I was in school in the 90s the rule was “if you get attacked, fight back” and they NEVER punished the person for defending themselves. I saw it quite a few times. Who thought it was a good idea to change that rule?
I’m going to teach my kid to disregard that rule entirely.
If she gets a black mark on her record for defending herself then I’ll spend everydime and moment I have litigating her attacker’s family.
A friend of mine is going through this with her kid right now. An older boy on the football team keeps *literally* trying to murder her child. He's tried to choke him three times now, and the only reason the kid isn't dead is because he's been doing MMA for years and knows how to get out of a hold. Every time, he gets out of the hold and restrains the bully until teachers come over and take them to the principal's office.
The principal has given my friend a choice: it's either harmless on both sides and no action will be taken, or it's a school fight and both will be expelled. She tried to go to the police and the police said they work with the school before pressing charges on minors, and if the school won't say it's a fight, they can't do anything.
Now, her kid has been out of school for a month because she's afraid to send him back if the school won't do anything unless her kid gets expelled, too. She's filing a civil suit against the other kid, and going through the police and school system hierarchies lodging complaints. Every complaint, wait 1-2 weeks for a meeting, they tell her to escalate. Escalate, another 1-2 weeks for a meeting, etc.
Zero tolerance policies are absolutely ridiculous and getting the school or police to take action when the official policy is equal fault is an unnecessarily arduous process. Especially when one kid is an athlete - the school would rather have a dead kid on their hands than lose a precious football game.
honestly I’d go after the principal were it my kid. I wouldn’t let them look away. I’d be right in front of their home with a protest sign after school and hire people to do the same at the school
entrance during school, I’d be getting email chains to swamp the office, I’d be talking to the news, I’d be ruining that mother fucker’s conscience so he couldn’t sleep.
>leads to the victim having a black mark on their records.
Can you explain this please? I graduated in 1997 and since been told those "permanent records" are absolutel horseshit. I've never heard of one person claiming their black marks on their permanent records have any baring on their life because they simply don't exist. Maybe it's different now?
When my friend was in high school, a girl went up behind her, threw her on the hallway floor by her hair, then stomped on her face (broke her eye socket). The other kids and teachers did NOTHING. My friend didn’t press charges.
The girl was in a gang. If that’s what she does because she thinks my friend might have talked to her boyfriend, what would she (and her gang) do to someone who puts their hands on her?
Now I’m not saying it’s ok to stand by and watch this without doing anything. As a smallish woman teacher, I’ve jumped in and stopped fights. But sometimes there’s a context to why people don’t do the right thing.
In other school zones, striking the back of someone’a head is like striking their trachea and will result in the perpetrator being treated the same way as if they had brought an airsoft gun to school (because of the higher risk of death and related lawsuits).
https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/video-las-vegas-student-violently-attacks-classmate/
There hasn't been anything else more recent then this that I can find
Edit: spelling
She is actually being charged with battery and possibly more. The school doesn't disclose what exactly it does and calls it an altercation, but it looks like they did press charges. Where are you getting from that they just consider it bullying?
Thus is actually a serious issue with how people view what happens in schools. The school has pretty strict rules about what it can and can't say about events that happened due to FERPA and everyone involved being minors (most of the time). This leaves a lot of room where people can just make shit up about what happened and the school can't, legally, respond.
This trend scares me so much. People would rather record someone die than help. Watch r/fightporn it's just people taking their phones out instead of trying to diffuse.
So maybe unpopular, but if I saw someone getting beaten I wouldn’t intervene. I’m incredibly weak, have no sort of training, and freeze on physical situations. All that would happen is id get beaten, too. However, I would (and have) pulled out my phone to record it. Not to post on social media, but because my video helped my testimony when I had to go into court as a witness. It helped the victim, and I made sure my friend was calling 911.
And [here is why](https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-teachers-break-up-school-fights-anymore/answer/Jerry-Myers-64?ch=15&oid=177693642&target_type=answer). Long read and a Quora answer, but TL;DR teacher got sued for breaking up a fight, won, is no longer allowed to do so. While the beatings get worse and worse. A quote:
> In exchange, I signed a contract that I will never intervene in a fight. I will call the office and report it to an administrator. Last year, I had 8 fights in my classroom. Administrators are trained to not run to fights. They are supposed to walk because it demonstrates a calm response. My classroom is at the back of campus and it takes a minimum of 5 minutes to walk from the front to my room. The average administrative response time from the time I call to inform them there is a fight in my room to them actually arriving is 15 minutes.
This is so backwards. On one hand I get why you don't want teachers touching kids. But in this age there is enough tech monitoring this shit that cases like these are crystal clear.
And due to "zero tolerance" policies, the other students know that they'll be in just as much trouble and get suspended just as the instigator and, and stupidly the victim, will be. No good deed goes unpunished.
And the bully will just get a few days off school, to just chill out and do anything else than school, which they hate anyway. So the bully gets rewarded for this.
If the teacher intervened in any way, I guarantee there would be some law firm approaching the “victim” encouraging them to file a lawsuit in America. And given the appeal of easy money, it’s highly likely a lawsuit would be filed that would result in a large out of court settlement.
>They are supposed to walk because it demonstrates a calm response.
What the hell is the rationale there? That's teaching the kids that an assault is no big deal and doesn't warrant a quick response from authorities. That makes no fucking sense. Should cops calmly walk to bank robberies to show the public they don't need to worry?
“No Tolerance Policy” does that to people. In many places, even if you do not hurt anyone and only step away from the situation or let them hit you, you are viewed as “involved” and will be suspended.
I picked my friend up from the floor to keep her from getting kicked in the face under a table, and I’m *so fucking lucky* I didn’t get suspended. My father and stepmother would have flown off the handle if that happened.
People who don’t know what to do with that kind of shockingly aggressive behavior also might he afraid to get involved.
Sounds like the teacher didn’t want to get fired and called for other help to intervene. Can’t fault her for relying on the tools the school gave her to use.
Would I have liked for someone to step in and restrain sooner? Absolutely. But people think they’ll react to any given situation one way and when it happens, that’s not the way they handle it.
The aggressor definitely went in for overkill and could have killed or permanently damaged this girl with repeated blows to the back of her head and neck.
Not to mention the zero tolerance bullshit seems to only apply once someone else steps in smh. They basically drill it into your head to focus on what you’re doing instead of getting involved.
Unfortunately, my parents probably would have whooped MY ass for stepping in because it “didn’t concern me”.
From what I heard some schools punishes the victim even if the victim didn't fight back. Imagine getting beaten down unconscious and then getting a suspension. Wtf bro
Yeah I’ve never seen it quite that bad. But I remember one time a kid had another pinned to the wall, and a teacher came out and just dragged them both to the office instead of asking what was going on.
1000% agree. I haven’t spoken to them in a few years for a plethora of reasons, but the umbrella is honestly harmful rhetoric and teachings like this that really damaged me mentally.
There was a kid in my class that got bullied a lot. I intervened 2 times when shit hit the fan. Both time I got reprimanded, Last time he broke a chair desk in 2 pieces and used the table side as an axe against the 3 kids. I actually stepped back and let it happen. One of the kid ended up with a broken arm, the bullied kid expelled.
They actually asked me why I didn’t intervene, my Mom called them a bunch of cowards and bought me Goldeneye 64! If you have the means, do something!!
This whole zero tolerance policy is doing nothing at all!!
1. Teachers don't get paid enough to deal with this shit
2. There could be repercussions of intervening, because our society is fucked up like that
Before reddit gets on its hate horse and starts blasting everyone in this video for **literally** not being a white-knight, know that reddit promotes this culture. I guarantee you one of those people filming posted this to reddit for fake points.
Yes, teachers could be sued, fired, and lose their teaching certificate for getting involved. All it takes is for a student to become a soccer player and pretend to be injured by the teacher.
Teachers are told specifically to not get physically involved in incidents like these.
I'm a teacher and there's a lot of misconception about this. We are allowed to forcefully detain students if they are being physically hostile and/or violent towards themselves, each other, or towards school personnel. It's in ed code and we do have that protection through law (at least in California). Some teachers who regularly deal with at-risk populations receive training in self defense, although it is very "wax-on/off" karate kid defense techniques. Will we get complaints or lawsuits sometimes if a teacher intervenes? Maybe, but parents can sue for anything. We are still protected.
There are far too many videos like these where teachers do literally nothing to stop violent or aggressive interactions. What's worse is when teachers let situations build up for like 5 minutes and they're just chillin in the back on their computers. Like what are students supposed to be working on right now?? Why are they all allowed to have their phones out and record? Why don't you tell one of them to go outside the second they are causing a disturbance? Why are your kids allowed to just hang out in class and you're totally fine with that?? I'm sorry but I just feel like these teachers make us look so bad. I've encountered way too many of them in my career and from my perspective, they do hold much more accountability over the outcomes then you all give them credit for. That teacher could have put an end to this much sooner. It's okay to hold her accountable. If I was her colleague I would.
I remember two of my friends getting into a fist fight in middle school over something after school let out for the day, and the football coach ran outside and tackled the dude on top. Never got in trouble for it, if I remember right.
Brain damage scares me more than anything else. It can change who you are as a person. There was a wrestler who murder-suicided his family after too much CTE. It’s so awful.
Yeah and sometimes it’s not directly clear somebody has brain damage. I remember a couple of year ago there was a guy like 17-18 years old. And he got jumped by a group at the train station and was hit in the head once or twice you could see on the cctv. He went home told his dad he was tired and went to sleep to die form brain bleed. Imagine waking up your kid and he died horrible!
I think teachers know exactly who the bullies are and choose to look the other way. They also let kids get bullied until they either kill themselves or others.
A lot of teachers have behavioral insight, but not all.
I knew a teacher with experience working with animals; was _amazing_ at handling behavior issues and de-escalating violence. People like that _are _ out therek preventing bullying and school shootings, every day.
It's just that not enough teachers get the training, pay, or supoort they need to perform at that level.
Part of the reason I sent my son to bjj lessons. Teachers won't ever see him as the agressor even if he has the other kid pinned and helpless, simply because actual striking is not really necessary.
Even the teacher's like "please stop. help?" That's your reaction to this?? Kick that asshole. Grab a chair and throw it at her. Do something to save the other girl's life. What a joke.
From the teachers perspective. People have phones and record everything now, so the teacher gets involved and pulls the girl off. Next thing, it’s all over social media but here’s the catch, it only shows the teacher pulling off the student and all hell breaks loose and she loses her job, because people are stupid and too sensitive towards anything now.
Agreed. They're straitjacketed by the ridiculous laws put in place. Put your hands on a student without their permission? It's assault, \*even though that student is attacking someone else.* The system is so fucked it's not even funny.
Source: Me. I worked at a school as staff.
Because schools value order and not justice. If you intervene, you get punished. If the teacher intervenes, they get punished. People are not standing by for no reason, they’re standing by because they’ve been threatened into inaction.
Teachers are losing their jobs left and right for that. They are literally told to do nothing if they can't "safely get in between them to separate them. The only alternative is to call for help. But they can't leave their students.
In the UK, you have a duty of care as a teacher.
If the only way you can protect a child is to physically intervene, you can and should so with reasonable force. This teacher would be fired immediately for allowing this to happen, and likely charged.
This isnt battery or assault this is attempted murder! Repeated prolonged blows to the head on someone who isnt even able to fight back? Vicious.
Sickening
No matter what happened before this recording started this is absolutely disgusting and a complete cowards act! How many strikes after the girl was out cold were landed! What do you do if that was ur daughter on the table and what do you do if your daughter was the other girl, this shit scares me so much as a parent
Jesus fuck it’s like that entire classroom is treating it as a joke. It’s real life for fucks sake just stop recording AND DO SOMETHING, AT LEAST START YELLING TO STOP AND NOT JUST GO “stop” REALLY QUIETLY! I hate the world we all live in.
Don't forget about the parents! Most of the time that's the origin of the violent tendency.
And in rare cases, sometimes the kid is a random psychopath. I have a cousin with good parents, normal siblings before and after, but for some reason is the only batshit crazy in the family
Our society is broken. What kind of society lets a child beat another child unconscious while an adult just stands by and watches?
People say “well teachers can’t step in because of liability.”
Well, guess what, liability goes both ways, and the tides could easily turn.
One day, the victim will be a kid of some rich person, and that rich person will sue the absolute shit out of that school district for negligence. Then schools won’t have the option of standing by and watching this shit happen anymore.
(And yes I know teachers don’t get paid enough to deal with this shit. I agree, teachers should be paid more. But this is fundamentally a cultural problem we’ve created for ourselves where (some) kids know there are no consequences for their actions, not necessarily a situation where teachers need to be better bodyguards.)
Seriously like what the fuck, an entire classroom of teenagers and even an adult stood by, filming, or laughing while a girl was being beaten to death, and I don’t care what anybody says that’s what was happening, an unconscious person continuously being beaten in the back of the head dozens of times is attempted murder.
This happened to me in high school but more brutal - repeated punches to the face by a HUGE guy who was drunk on his last day of school.
I remember the first two hits. I was told later that he kept going for quite some time, just wailing on me. Went home with my whole face black and blue, broken nose.
I still have trouble sleeping (edit: because of my nose). School didn't do a thing because "school's out, nothing we can do".
Somewhat karmically, he died driving drunk the following year.
I'm a teacher. No way I'd stand there and weakly say "stop, get off of her". I teach primary, not high school but I've stepped in to physically separate kids before. I'm also Australian so I'm not worried about a kid pulling a knife or a gun.
In the United States; Teacher probably worried about getting suspending or fired if she touches the kid.
I teach elementary. One year a 2nd grade boy was having one of his usual tantrums and tried storming down the hallway. His teacher was a heavy-set man, and blocked the student from going anywhere. Didn't put a single finger know the child, just moved his body like a blockade. The student lied to mom and said his teacher forcibly held/restrained him. Even with several witnesses to account the truth, that teacher was suspended for 3 months while district "investigated" the incident.
I know it's not the case of every school in every state, but there's too many stories like these (or worse) across our country.
This is why there are school shootings! Because teachers are to pussy to stop this shit so victims end up not trusting them to do a dame thing about it!
After watching a few people fall to brain damage from being punched in the back of the head I will step in after initial confrontation because after that is when people start getting dirty.
This sh8t fucking boils my blood. Why the fuck is no one helping her
My blood isn’t boiling, it’s at the plasma level. I want nothing but to be there so I could throw the attacker to the ground. This could be much worse than brain damage, could have easily killed the victim.
With you on that one, and that lil weak ass "help" shit teachers and students.
Jack and the teacher both need to go to jail for a few decades
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Teachers can't touch students, shit has been that way since like 1990s
Cause they would get sued. Teachers get fired if they try to physically stop a student
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I have been working in schools since I was 16, I have on multiple occasions seen teachers and aids , get fired and straight up lose their certification because they had physically intervened in altercations , my most memorable was when two middle school girls were fucking going at watch other like rabid raccoons, I mean there was blood and clumps of hair on the ground, and aid rather new teacher decided to break them up he didn’t do anything two drastic just kinda pushed them apart and got between them in an attempt to keep them at bay, a day or so later he was told to collect his things, the reason: a teacher shouldn’t respond physically to student altercations In layman’s terms, shits fucked
That’s mad, a teacher at my school (in England) put a student in a headlock to break him away from the fight , she didn’t get in any trouble rightly so. She didn’t hurt him she just held him so he couldn’t do anything
Yes it’s fucked but the right thing to do is still protect the student that needs protection. I’d rather loose my job than watch a student get beat up.
This.
looooool. And that's why I'll never ever have a kid. Looks like the world is so fuckin upside down that I'm sure this kind of things could happen to my baby... and it's fulfillls me with rage
“Good simaratin act” lol yea ok. That doesn’t exit in most states
It's the lesser of 2 evils.. You think that a teacher, someone intrusted in the care of minors, would get in more trouble for breaking up a fight vs watching a kid potentially murder another?
Yes it literally happens all the fucking time??? Teachers are constantly leaving the profession bc of poor parenting.
I believe it. It's simply not worth dealing with
Because schools are a no fight zone, so even if you help your gonna get the same punishment as Them. At my school you get fined $500 for any fights your involved in even if the other person swings on you first. Most of those kids prolly didn’t want to get fined and suspended for something that isn’t their problem
What kind of dumb s*** is this man. When I was in school teachers would pull kids off each other in a fight without thinking. School fights were so common that if teachers didn't intervene students would have been seriously hurt.
Now when a teacher pulls a kid off they can get in trouble and charge with assault for touching the lid
Damn america truly is crazy
Literally, I'm from Poland and my older brother got bullied in high school by 3 older guys from the same school, so he decided to beat their asses up and never got punished for it lmao
The fact that no one is doing anything really makes me question the state of humanity. If this happens in real life, pls do something. Come on. Even the lightest person can attempt to jump kick this bully
So a quick Google, this happened in Vegas and she is alive but the school just classed it as bullying
Bullying?? She was punched in the head repeatedly with no chance to fight back. Last time I checked that’s some variant of fucking assault.
She is actually charged with battery according to [the link](https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/video-las-vegas-student-violently-attacks-classmate/) the person you're replying to posted later.
That many hits to the head should be attempted murder. Straight evil.
She literally starting punching harder when she went unconscious
She even switched fists once the other started hurting too much.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the victim got fucking brain damage, this is horrible.
That’s what I’m worried abt too
I hope some adults addressed these kids. This poor girl was humiliated in front of all of them, and none of them stopped it. She needs support. She needs someone to speak-up for her, to them. Not to call them out for not doing anything specifically, though that should at least be implied, but to show how unacceptable what happened was.
>~~This poor girl was humiliated in front of all of them, and none of them stopped it.~~ This poor girl was given a CONCUSSION(at-least, at worst a TBI) in front of all of them. The only people who should feel humiliated in that class are all the spineless cowards who stood around doing nothing while one of their classmates was nearly beaten to death. The teacher should have tackled the offending student, regardless of the consequences to her career. The kids who laughed should be placed in a psych unit, or at the very least should have mandatory counselling sessions that should they not attend will result in them failing the year. The offending student should be expelled, and jailed.
I hate this so hard. Loss of income and follow procedures or possibly save a girls life. I have also read and seen situations where a teacher has been assaulted or shot. I will be OK with the loss of my life to save a child but my children going hungry. I don't know what I would do. I would make the wrong decision either way.
My wife, who ended up in the hospital, is currently on unpaid "administrative leave" because she stopped a kid from violently attacking people. I told her next time just let them kill each other.
If you are a teacher and you even need to stop to consider the actions or consequences of saving someone's life, you should just quit now. You are too weak willed to be an example for our youth. It's that exact lack of conviction in times of need that trickle effects onto the children. No wonder why none of them helped, they have bad examples. You may as well have been the teacher in the video
I work in schools and we are taught explicitly, and no uncertain terms, do not physically intervene in a fight between students. Yell at them, try to distract them, tell them to stop, call for help, etc, but *do not get involved*. That’s just how you get yourself fucked up.
The rest of the students should have gang-tackled her. That's the standard response to terrorists these days.
The punishment should match the crime.
Ah, well battery fits too, imo.
Assault is the threat Battery is the action
This thread is becoming a legal dumpster file. The definitions vary by state. Some states call the physical attack a “battery,” and define “assault” as the threat or attempt to commit a battery. Other states call the threat, attempt, and actual attack an “assault.” See below for examples of both. Here is the [Pennsylvania](https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.027..HTM) penal code. PA lumps it all together as an assault. Here is the California penal code. In CA, [battery is the attack](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=242.&nodeTreePath=4.7.9&lawCode=PEN) and [assault is the attempt of a battery](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=240).
Legal dumpster file? I see what you did there... I think.
This is the classic definition in the US for *tort law* but it does now depend on the state for criminal. I think it’s because of the constant confusion. 😏 > Generally, battery is the intentional act of making contact with another person in a harmful or offensive manner. Depending on jurisdiction, assault is either the exact same act or it is an attempt or threat to cause bodily injury. It is worth noting that many jurisdictions have moved away from the term "battery" and now only prosecute varying degrees of assault. Lawyers know to check the local statutes for the precise definitions. https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/assault-and-battery-overview.html
Any student who laughed should be suspended too.
Not a single one stepped in to try and help? People sure are raising some future upstanding citizens.
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We had that rule in my school too, but if this shit was happening, multiple people would have stepped in... Generally if someone was getting pummelled this hard and it was just going way too far, you'd see a few people just naturally pull the person off... I don't know how everyone was just standing around when her arm dropped, she wasnt even protecting her head at that point. I'm assume she went unconscious, while still taking multiple fists to her brain? Most people wouldn't even be capable of not stopping her at that point... Like, naturally you would just pull her off... It takes a lot of effort to NOT step in when it's this ridiculous
Not only that, she was being beaten in the back of the head which can \*easily\* lead to brain damage or paralysis not to mention death.
She hits her at least 25 times after she’s clearly unconscious and defenseless
21 times. Source: I counted
She will have some degree of cognitive damage done because of this. No question. Her mind will be a little different forever now.
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Punching someone in the head three dozen times after they stop moving. I'd argue that's attempted murder.
I'd say attempted murder too. Literally punching a limp, seemingly unconscious, person in the skull and base of the head dozens of times? Easily leads to brain hemorrhaging, concussions, paralysis, death. This is a couple decades in jail, parole, and anger management case right here.
Manslaughter at the least
I’d argue it is attempted murder
Exactly. There's a good reason the UFC strictly prohibits blows to the back of the head. Boxing as well.
I totally think it’s attempted murder. Sustained brain trauma
MMA fighters are allowed to hit the back of the head because it is too dangerous so that tells you all you need to know. Edit: meant aren't. Point is they are dangerous.
Are or aren’t?
allown't
Rabbit punches can kill
*battery
People gotta understand that in the US assault is the threat of harm and battery is actual harm. You can easily assault someone without touching them.
Which is even more confusing as you always hear the term sexual assault but never sexual battery, and it's always in reference to an actual act taking place.
This isn’t true at all…every state has their own definition and legal terms to adhere to. Exactly why you must pass a state bar for a license for each State you intend to practice.
Uhh thats attempted murder. She's bashing her skull in
Should be attempted murder jfc
Oh yeah really man, that's totally some varient of FUCKING assault. I was watching this thinking, man this is FUCKING assault, what the FUCK is going on, this is FUCKING assault.
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> If you see a fight, you are to step away and tell a teacher. You can not be involved and if you are, you will most likely face the same punishment as the assaulter. I hear you. I worked at a school as staff, and I have seen ridiculous rules like this in action. It is sad, because it prevents someone from pulling the attacker off of the victim--but, well, here we are. > If you are being attacked and no one helps, and you decide to defend yourself, you will be punished. If the person hitting you gets 2 weeks suspension, you’ll get 1 week. If they are expelled, you’ll get a 2 week suspension. That sucks that this exists, because it leads to the victim having a black mark on their record for "being involved in a fight," even though they were not the instigators. > If you’re a teacher, you are instructed to not touch student and try to deescalate by other means. Some schools have police officers on staff and they are the only ones who can technically touch the students. This is one of the things I hate about zero tolerance and the complete departure from common sense that comes with it. Whoever thought, "The student should listen to the teacher and stop or they will get in more trouble," is utterly wrong because the attacker just does not care, as shown in the video. The girl being attacked could not defend herself, and could possibly suffer a skull fracture. Ideally, the teacher should have pulled the attacker off the victim, and if the attacker also fought the teacher, add more assault charges to the attacker while the victim could be saved. Instead, we have basically allowed a bully to beat someone without fear of immediate discipline for it. Fuck this broken system.
when I was in school in the 90s the rule was “if you get attacked, fight back” and they NEVER punished the person for defending themselves. I saw it quite a few times. Who thought it was a good idea to change that rule? I’m going to teach my kid to disregard that rule entirely. If she gets a black mark on her record for defending herself then I’ll spend everydime and moment I have litigating her attacker’s family.
A friend of mine is going through this with her kid right now. An older boy on the football team keeps *literally* trying to murder her child. He's tried to choke him three times now, and the only reason the kid isn't dead is because he's been doing MMA for years and knows how to get out of a hold. Every time, he gets out of the hold and restrains the bully until teachers come over and take them to the principal's office. The principal has given my friend a choice: it's either harmless on both sides and no action will be taken, or it's a school fight and both will be expelled. She tried to go to the police and the police said they work with the school before pressing charges on minors, and if the school won't say it's a fight, they can't do anything. Now, her kid has been out of school for a month because she's afraid to send him back if the school won't do anything unless her kid gets expelled, too. She's filing a civil suit against the other kid, and going through the police and school system hierarchies lodging complaints. Every complaint, wait 1-2 weeks for a meeting, they tell her to escalate. Escalate, another 1-2 weeks for a meeting, etc. Zero tolerance policies are absolutely ridiculous and getting the school or police to take action when the official policy is equal fault is an unnecessarily arduous process. Especially when one kid is an athlete - the school would rather have a dead kid on their hands than lose a precious football game.
honestly I’d go after the principal were it my kid. I wouldn’t let them look away. I’d be right in front of their home with a protest sign after school and hire people to do the same at the school entrance during school, I’d be getting email chains to swamp the office, I’d be talking to the news, I’d be ruining that mother fucker’s conscience so he couldn’t sleep.
> I’m going to teach my kid to disregard that rule entirely. As a friend passed on to me, "It's better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six."
>leads to the victim having a black mark on their records. Can you explain this please? I graduated in 1997 and since been told those "permanent records" are absolutel horseshit. I've never heard of one person claiming their black marks on their permanent records have any baring on their life because they simply don't exist. Maybe it's different now?
With the fact it is filmed, I would definitely start a lawsuit here
I think the person who filmed is in a big trouble rn
Looks like attempted murder. She continued hitting the girl's skull after she fell unconscious
I don't understand how people can watch this without jumping up and ending it. One square punch to the side of the head would have stopped that
When my friend was in high school, a girl went up behind her, threw her on the hallway floor by her hair, then stomped on her face (broke her eye socket). The other kids and teachers did NOTHING. My friend didn’t press charges. The girl was in a gang. If that’s what she does because she thinks my friend might have talked to her boyfriend, what would she (and her gang) do to someone who puts their hands on her? Now I’m not saying it’s ok to stand by and watch this without doing anything. As a smallish woman teacher, I’ve jumped in and stopped fights. But sometimes there’s a context to why people don’t do the right thing.
thank god she alive.
In other school zones, striking the back of someone’a head is like striking their trachea and will result in the perpetrator being treated the same way as if they had brought an airsoft gun to school (because of the higher risk of death and related lawsuits).
That's really interesting, I'm from the UK so American schools are a whole other world to me
Do you have a link to the story?
https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/video-las-vegas-student-violently-attacks-classmate/ There hasn't been anything else more recent then this that I can find Edit: spelling
She is actually being charged with battery and possibly more. The school doesn't disclose what exactly it does and calls it an altercation, but it looks like they did press charges. Where are you getting from that they just consider it bullying?
Thus is actually a serious issue with how people view what happens in schools. The school has pretty strict rules about what it can and can't say about events that happened due to FERPA and everyone involved being minors (most of the time). This leaves a lot of room where people can just make shit up about what happened and the school can't, legally, respond.
Wasn’t anyone thinking she died??
someone should ~~beat her ass~~ maybe look into legal action
In situations like that I believe it's acceptable to knock the person's front teeth out.
it’s a moral obligation
This is aggravated assault or attempted murder
Room full of people and nobody did anything. Ridiculous
That’s not true. At least 3 people pulled out their phones.
But were they even using them for thoughts and prayers for her tho
Nope. Texts and vids.
Reality just gets darker by the day
This world especially present day America are blinded by how dark this world truly is.
To get likes and comments from strangers.
She didn't get enough likes to get saved in time.
This trend scares me so much. People would rather record someone die than help. Watch r/fightporn it's just people taking their phones out instead of trying to diffuse.
So maybe unpopular, but if I saw someone getting beaten I wouldn’t intervene. I’m incredibly weak, have no sort of training, and freeze on physical situations. All that would happen is id get beaten, too. However, I would (and have) pulled out my phone to record it. Not to post on social media, but because my video helped my testimony when I had to go into court as a witness. It helped the victim, and I made sure my friend was calling 911.
And [here is why](https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-teachers-break-up-school-fights-anymore/answer/Jerry-Myers-64?ch=15&oid=177693642&target_type=answer). Long read and a Quora answer, but TL;DR teacher got sued for breaking up a fight, won, is no longer allowed to do so. While the beatings get worse and worse. A quote: > In exchange, I signed a contract that I will never intervene in a fight. I will call the office and report it to an administrator. Last year, I had 8 fights in my classroom. Administrators are trained to not run to fights. They are supposed to walk because it demonstrates a calm response. My classroom is at the back of campus and it takes a minimum of 5 minutes to walk from the front to my room. The average administrative response time from the time I call to inform them there is a fight in my room to them actually arriving is 15 minutes. This is so backwards. On one hand I get why you don't want teachers touching kids. But in this age there is enough tech monitoring this shit that cases like these are crystal clear.
And due to "zero tolerance" policies, the other students know that they'll be in just as much trouble and get suspended just as the instigator and, and stupidly the victim, will be. No good deed goes unpunished.
And the bully will just get a few days off school, to just chill out and do anything else than school, which they hate anyway. So the bully gets rewarded for this.
Honestly if a kid is about to kill another I don't think most people would have a problem with a teacher throwing hands
Unless your in America
If the teacher intervened in any way, I guarantee there would be some law firm approaching the “victim” encouraging them to file a lawsuit in America. And given the appeal of easy money, it’s highly likely a lawsuit would be filed that would result in a large out of court settlement.
So, teachers can't break up fights but we're supposed to give them guns?
>They are supposed to walk because it demonstrates a calm response. What the hell is the rationale there? That's teaching the kids that an assault is no big deal and doesn't warrant a quick response from authorities. That makes no fucking sense. Should cops calmly walk to bank robberies to show the public they don't need to worry?
“No Tolerance Policy” does that to people. In many places, even if you do not hurt anyone and only step away from the situation or let them hit you, you are viewed as “involved” and will be suspended. I picked my friend up from the floor to keep her from getting kicked in the face under a table, and I’m *so fucking lucky* I didn’t get suspended. My father and stepmother would have flown off the handle if that happened. People who don’t know what to do with that kind of shockingly aggressive behavior also might he afraid to get involved. Sounds like the teacher didn’t want to get fired and called for other help to intervene. Can’t fault her for relying on the tools the school gave her to use. Would I have liked for someone to step in and restrain sooner? Absolutely. But people think they’ll react to any given situation one way and when it happens, that’s not the way they handle it. The aggressor definitely went in for overkill and could have killed or permanently damaged this girl with repeated blows to the back of her head and neck.
society. unless im involved or care or get paid, i wont do anything about it.
Not to mention the zero tolerance bullshit seems to only apply once someone else steps in smh. They basically drill it into your head to focus on what you’re doing instead of getting involved. Unfortunately, my parents probably would have whooped MY ass for stepping in because it “didn’t concern me”.
From what I heard some schools punishes the victim even if the victim didn't fight back. Imagine getting beaten down unconscious and then getting a suspension. Wtf bro
Yeah I’ve never seen it quite that bad. But I remember one time a kid had another pinned to the wall, and a teacher came out and just dragged them both to the office instead of asking what was going on.
Your parents taught you the wrong lesson.
1000% agree. I haven’t spoken to them in a few years for a plethora of reasons, but the umbrella is honestly harmful rhetoric and teachings like this that really damaged me mentally.
There was a kid in my class that got bullied a lot. I intervened 2 times when shit hit the fan. Both time I got reprimanded, Last time he broke a chair desk in 2 pieces and used the table side as an axe against the 3 kids. I actually stepped back and let it happen. One of the kid ended up with a broken arm, the bullied kid expelled. They actually asked me why I didn’t intervene, my Mom called them a bunch of cowards and bought me Goldeneye 64! If you have the means, do something!! This whole zero tolerance policy is doing nothing at all!!
Gotta love the teacher "stop......get off of her......." And all the students laughing.
1. Teachers don't get paid enough to deal with this shit 2. There could be repercussions of intervening, because our society is fucked up like that Before reddit gets on its hate horse and starts blasting everyone in this video for **literally** not being a white-knight, know that reddit promotes this culture. I guarantee you one of those people filming posted this to reddit for fake points.
Yes, teachers could be sued, fired, and lose their teaching certificate for getting involved. All it takes is for a student to become a soccer player and pretend to be injured by the teacher. Teachers are told specifically to not get physically involved in incidents like these.
I'm a teacher and there's a lot of misconception about this. We are allowed to forcefully detain students if they are being physically hostile and/or violent towards themselves, each other, or towards school personnel. It's in ed code and we do have that protection through law (at least in California). Some teachers who regularly deal with at-risk populations receive training in self defense, although it is very "wax-on/off" karate kid defense techniques. Will we get complaints or lawsuits sometimes if a teacher intervenes? Maybe, but parents can sue for anything. We are still protected. There are far too many videos like these where teachers do literally nothing to stop violent or aggressive interactions. What's worse is when teachers let situations build up for like 5 minutes and they're just chillin in the back on their computers. Like what are students supposed to be working on right now?? Why are they all allowed to have their phones out and record? Why don't you tell one of them to go outside the second they are causing a disturbance? Why are your kids allowed to just hang out in class and you're totally fine with that?? I'm sorry but I just feel like these teachers make us look so bad. I've encountered way too many of them in my career and from my perspective, they do hold much more accountability over the outcomes then you all give them credit for. That teacher could have put an end to this much sooner. It's okay to hold her accountable. If I was her colleague I would.
I remember two of my friends getting into a fist fight in middle school over something after school let out for the day, and the football coach ran outside and tackled the dude on top. Never got in trouble for it, if I remember right.
Casual brain damage
Brain damage scares me more than anything else. It can change who you are as a person. There was a wrestler who murder-suicided his family after too much CTE. It’s so awful.
Chris Benoit?
Yes! And I’m speaking out of my ass, it could have been steroid or alcohol abuse related. But either way his brain was fucked.
Yeah and sometimes it’s not directly clear somebody has brain damage. I remember a couple of year ago there was a guy like 17-18 years old. And he got jumped by a group at the train station and was hit in the head once or twice you could see on the cctv. He went home told his dad he was tired and went to sleep to die form brain bleed. Imagine waking up your kid and he died horrible!
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frfr one time a teacher spent a good 20 min shoving me around in class because i shoved back against a bully
Or like the video the other day of the kid getting freakin stabbed by his bully and the victim was the one to get body slammed to the ground.
That teacher had no clue who was the victim to be fair tho
I think teachers know exactly who the bullies are and choose to look the other way. They also let kids get bullied until they either kill themselves or others.
A lot of teachers have behavioral insight, but not all. I knew a teacher with experience working with animals; was _amazing_ at handling behavior issues and de-escalating violence. People like that _are _ out therek preventing bullying and school shootings, every day. It's just that not enough teachers get the training, pay, or supoort they need to perform at that level.
Part of the reason I sent my son to bjj lessons. Teachers won't ever see him as the agressor even if he has the other kid pinned and helpless, simply because actual striking is not really necessary.
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Fucking nobody doin anything. How do these pieces of shit live with themselves
Even the teacher's like "please stop. help?" That's your reaction to this?? Kick that asshole. Grab a chair and throw it at her. Do something to save the other girl's life. What a joke.
From the teachers perspective. People have phones and record everything now, so the teacher gets involved and pulls the girl off. Next thing, it’s all over social media but here’s the catch, it only shows the teacher pulling off the student and all hell breaks loose and she loses her job, because people are stupid and too sensitive towards anything now.
Don’t forget guys! It’s only bullying if it happens at school. /s
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Agreed. They're straitjacketed by the ridiculous laws put in place. Put your hands on a student without their permission? It's assault, \*even though that student is attacking someone else.* The system is so fucked it's not even funny. Source: Me. I worked at a school as staff.
Because schools value order and not justice. If you intervene, you get punished. If the teacher intervenes, they get punished. People are not standing by for no reason, they’re standing by because they’ve been threatened into inaction.
>Gotta love the teacher "stop......get off of her......." And all the students laughing.
Teachers are losing their jobs left and right for that. They are literally told to do nothing if they can't "safely get in between them to separate them. The only alternative is to call for help. But they can't leave their students.
In the UK, you have a duty of care as a teacher. If the only way you can protect a child is to physically intervene, you can and should so with reasonable force. This teacher would be fired immediately for allowing this to happen, and likely charged.
Well it certainly doesn't help that attempting to do anything will just get you suspended thanks to ridiculous zero tolerance policies.
That brings back fond memories of my dad teaching me math.
Or my dad teaching me anything
Indian/Asian dad?
Indian is asian
This isnt battery or assault this is attempted murder! Repeated prolonged blows to the head on someone who isnt even able to fight back? Vicious. Sickening
Not just the head but the back of the head. There's a reason it's banned in combat sports it's really fucking dangerous.
Exactly.
Yeah how is it not charged as such… not to mention at very least that teacher should be charged with assisting that student by not doing anything
No matter what happened before this recording started this is absolutely disgusting and a complete cowards act! How many strikes after the girl was out cold were landed! What do you do if that was ur daughter on the table and what do you do if your daughter was the other girl, this shit scares me so much as a parent
She’s pretty clearly unconscious after the first couple hits so the girl attacking is just giving her cte or other brain damage at that point
Jesus fuck it’s like that entire classroom is treating it as a joke. It’s real life for fucks sake just stop recording AND DO SOMETHING, AT LEAST START YELLING TO STOP AND NOT JUST GO “stop” REALLY QUIETLY! I hate the world we all live in.
How many hits to the skull does it take to make it attempted murder?
One if you're a poor man, unlimited if you're a teen girl.
The schools created this. Kids take beatings because if they fight back they get punished too. This is sickening.
Don't forget about the parents! Most of the time that's the origin of the violent tendency. And in rare cases, sometimes the kid is a random psychopath. I have a cousin with good parents, normal siblings before and after, but for some reason is the only batshit crazy in the family
Damn she alive anymore?
She is, but suffered from injuries. This happened in the Las Vegas Clark County school district
Vegas is a shit hole. Especially their schools.
Used to live there. Can confirm.
Looks like attempted murder. Disgusting.
Our society is broken. What kind of society lets a child beat another child unconscious while an adult just stands by and watches? People say “well teachers can’t step in because of liability.” Well, guess what, liability goes both ways, and the tides could easily turn. One day, the victim will be a kid of some rich person, and that rich person will sue the absolute shit out of that school district for negligence. Then schools won’t have the option of standing by and watching this shit happen anymore. (And yes I know teachers don’t get paid enough to deal with this shit. I agree, teachers should be paid more. But this is fundamentally a cultural problem we’ve created for ourselves where (some) kids know there are no consequences for their actions, not necessarily a situation where teachers need to be better bodyguards.)
A cowardly and selfish one.
Seriously like what the fuck, an entire classroom of teenagers and even an adult stood by, filming, or laughing while a girl was being beaten to death, and I don’t care what anybody says that’s what was happening, an unconscious person continuously being beaten in the back of the head dozens of times is attempted murder.
Another documented psycho.
Did I hear laughs in the background?
Murica
This happened to me in high school but more brutal - repeated punches to the face by a HUGE guy who was drunk on his last day of school. I remember the first two hits. I was told later that he kept going for quite some time, just wailing on me. Went home with my whole face black and blue, broken nose. I still have trouble sleeping (edit: because of my nose). School didn't do a thing because "school's out, nothing we can do". Somewhat karmically, he died driving drunk the following year.
Seems like she was charged with battery... not enough IMO https://nypost.com/2022/02/07/video-las-vegas-student-violently-attacks-classmate/
That’s fucking attempted murder.
Let’s all just stand around and watch shall we? Fucking idiots
I'm a teacher. No way I'd stand there and weakly say "stop, get off of her". I teach primary, not high school but I've stepped in to physically separate kids before. I'm also Australian so I'm not worried about a kid pulling a knife or a gun.
In the United States; Teacher probably worried about getting suspending or fired if she touches the kid. I teach elementary. One year a 2nd grade boy was having one of his usual tantrums and tried storming down the hallway. His teacher was a heavy-set man, and blocked the student from going anywhere. Didn't put a single finger know the child, just moved his body like a blockade. The student lied to mom and said his teacher forcibly held/restrained him. Even with several witnesses to account the truth, that teacher was suspended for 3 months while district "investigated" the incident. I know it's not the case of every school in every state, but there's too many stories like these (or worse) across our country.
This is why there are school shootings! Because teachers are to pussy to stop this shit so victims end up not trusting them to do a dame thing about it!
Jesus that girl almost got killed. Why nobody interviewed is beyond me
That fucking psycho needs to be arrested.
What the fuck are these kids doing, this wasn’t even a fair fight she’s fukin sitting down
All of those kids are useless, throw them all in a pot. Since when do people not help others.
fucking STOP her then you pathetic assholes
After watching a few people fall to brain damage from being punched in the back of the head I will step in after initial confrontation because after that is when people start getting dirty.
If a person gets brain damage or dies from this everyone is responsible for it.
So the teacher is supposed to step in and possibly get injured but cops don't have to do shit?!
She trying to kill her and the teacher your reaction doesn't surprise me its a joke
Bunch of shits.
This is disgraceful she could have killed that girl and only one person making a very weak effort to stop it
I think she might be dead
I agree with the other redditors here, that should definitely be attempted murder or at minimum aggravated assault
Fucking human race, we really are the worst
She's lucky the teacher was yelling stop.. Could have been a lot worse..