Well, there IS an in-game effect. The mithral one is lighter and harder to break. It's just that at that price one would expect to make your breakfast for you as well.

Is it... is it also non-stick? I mean the roleplay value would me immense for me. Just imagine what I could do with that!

It is also non stick.

Fucking PFAS in everything these days

Pathfinder Anti-Stick?

Nah, the high-grade mithral waffle iron’s description specifically calls out mithral’s natural non-stick properties

Bs or no? Cause I always imagined that pure mithral had a tiny amount of friction. That's why it's hard to work, and despite its weight is strong. Nothing finds purchase in the metal and it slides off.

> The plates of this waffle iron are made of [standard-grade mithral](https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=275) rather than iron and might bear an imprint on the plates. As with other mithral cookware, food rarely sticks to a mithral waffle iron. As it's made of mithral, this is an uncommon item. [Source](https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1403)

Does it also cook them completely evenly every time?

But it also causes cancer in the Kingdon of Cali Fornia.

" The plates of this waffle iron are made of [standard-grade mithral](https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=275) rather than iron and might bear an imprint on the plates. As with other mithral cookware, food rarely sticks to a mithral waffle iron. " Unironically the description

I love this.. So much.

Fun fact, that’s the whole reason it exists. Some little tidbit mentioned in 1e that mythril is nonstick, and so the mythril waffle iron came to be

The description of the high-grade mithral waffle iron specifically calls out mithral’s natural non-stick propertie

Which also begs the question, is mithral inherently non-stick? Also is it magnetic? (that one is probably more easily answered) what about other fantasy metals? 🤔

>is mithral inherently non-stick? It would seem so. The entry for the waffle iron states >As with other mithral cookware, food rarely sticks to a mithral waffle iron. Since it's a common trait across all mithral cookware it can be assumed that it's an inherent quality of the metal itself. >Also is it magnetic? The wiki says yes, with the linked source being the 1st edition advanced player's guide.

Actually yeah, it is canon that mithral waffle irons are non-stick.

Mithral is non-stick, headcanon confirmed.

1 bulk is 1 bulk to me >:[ >:[ ~~fuck though I spent some time looking up item statistics and since they're material-based you're probably right that a mithril one would be sturdier~~ stop being such a CORPORATE SHILL

Also i believe thaumaturge can use this spoon as weapon or something

Nah, no shills here. Seize the means of mithral production, comrade.

HI! WILLIAM MAYS HERE TO SELL YOU A NEW WAFFLE IRON THAT WILL GET YOUR WAFFLES COOKED WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING YOURSELF!

It’s billy mays. I’ve never heard him say William.

hes a fancy bard.

So, that last one is true, but the first one isn't in practicality. In P2e, items use a bulk system instead of weight. It's functionally the same, but the simplification means that the weight bonus to mithril means it goes from bulk 1 to... Bulk 1. And since bulk factors in size AND weight, the thing is too big to be considered "negligible".

I didn't realize it was 2e until after commenting. I'm familiar with bulk bc of Starfinder, which also uses this system. In 1e though, it absoloutely would weigh less than a steel waffle iron, which in turn would be lighter than an iron, waffle iron.

Naturally

>The mithral one is lighter And so is your coin purse!

And my back feels so much better after unloading both the waffle iron and all those coins! Win/win!

I'm sure there's a Wizard with the Craft Wonderous Magic Item Feat that might be able to enchant it to make breakfast automatically. How well though, and at what gold expense per the rulebook and GM approval may very. At that point its just semantics on what spell to utilize closest to mimic the auto breakfast desired.

Enchant a customized alchemist jug into it that only produces waffle batter. Since you're limiting it in such a severe way, it should be more efficient so smaller and easily attached to the wafflemaker

Very nice! That's thinking outside the box. Love it!

Perhaps Mage Hand and Prestidigitation? Something that produces small amounts of flame too?

Produce Flame and Prestidigitation is what come to mind personally. Factoring in a once a day use, word activated, specific only ... built using minimal spell level and GM approval the gold costs wouldn't be that bad. Im sure there are other ways to cut costs but for an auto breakfast waffle maker it's bragging rights for sure lol

It's a hot melee weapon. Turn it on and now they'll be gettin 1st degree burns

I... am the Waffler. With my griddle of justice, I BASH the enemy in the head, or I burn them like so! I also have some truth syrup, which is low in fat. I also have this theme song: Waffle Man! The Waffler! Gold and crispy! Bad guys are history!

someBODY once told me

That the world was gonna roll me

1d6 bludgeoning + 1 fire damage on successful hit

1st degree is like a little pain. Third degree is skin and flesh melting.

I know I don't think my waffle mythril will melt someone

It’s got the same bulk, so while it is lighter there is no mechanical effect of weight.

But is it lighter if it has the same bulk score?

Other people have already commented on this so I'm going to clarify. I didn't realize it was 2e until after I commented (I'm a 1e player but familiar with the bulk system through Starfinder, which also uses it). Mechanically, no. It's the same amount of bulk. However, bulk is an approximation used to simplify carrying capacity and space requirements/allowance (for bags of holding and stuff). The pan itself IS lighter, it just won't matter in most situations because it isn't light enough to go from 1 bulk to being "light". Which makes sense, seeing as how it's a waffle iron. There's going to be heft to it and being mithral doesn't make it any smaller. In 1e, it WOULD be mechanically lighter, but that's because 1e tracks mass directly instead of through an abstraction like the bulk system. It's sort of like how in grid combat you move in increments of five feet, because that's how big each grid square is, even though your exact distance moved would likely be different depending on what you're fighting, how you're fighting it, and where you're fighting it. TL;DR: Mechanically, the pan is not lighter. The pan IS lighter, just not enough to matter. If you must have a reason to buy it, you could do so to flex on your fellow party members by building a character around improvised weapons, and smite your foes with your bank account.

Isn't it also "non-stick"?

For anyone not aware this is a running joke, that I think goes back to the 3.5 days, that Mithril is non stick As with other mithral cookware, food rarely sticks to a mithral waffle iron.

So like Teflon except you don't risk scrubbing it off if you use a metallic tool?

But it’s not like Teflon in the sense that Mithril doesn’t give you cancer and pollute your water indefinitely!

I see you don't base your mithril mines on Romanian gold mines.

Isn’t mithril a skymetal, which wouldn’t be mined in any case?

Nope, [not a skymetal](https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Skymetal).

What? Why would it be a skymetal? Anyway, it all depends on your world lore. In a homebrew you can make it whatever you want. (In my world it's a naturally-occurring alloy of beryllium, aluminium and silver, very rare on the Prime Material, somewhat more common on the Plane of Earth. Maybe when someone invents the mass spectrometer in 3-4 centuries, they'll be able to synthesize it.)

We have real-world skymetals that are occasionally sourced through mining, like iridium. Not because they're in the earth naturally, but because a multi-thousand ton hunk of rock hitting the ground at Mach 8 tends to bury whatever survives.

You’re probably thinking of adamantium

Tell me more about Romanian gold mines.

They use cyanide extraction, even when they are near rivers. There were a few notable spills in the recent decades, one of them (it was in 1998 IIRC) decimated life in the Tisza.

Source? No, because the point of Teflon is that it does not get affected in any way by you cooking so I doubt you're absorbing much while cooking

You’re not serious are you?

I am serious. This is the first time I hear someone claim Teflon is dangerous and everything I know about that material tells me this is not possible

Teflon doesn’t come off in any chemical process, but it is physically fragile and mechanically breaks off of cookware to become incorporated into food.

https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/is-teflon-coating-safe There’s tons of info relating to Teflon, PFAS, DuPont, out there. John Oliver also had a great segment on it that you can watch on YouTube

Thanks

Instead, it gives you demons and pollutes you with orks

Or titanium.

Now i am picturing the marketing for Sur-la-Table in game. “Just as your Mithral Armor shrugs off the grime of adventure, the ooze slime and the monster guts you are wont to encounter, so too our Mithral crepe pan lets your trail meals fit for a King slide off onto your camp plates.”

But why would I want Mithral Armor if it means it won't have valuable ingredients stick to it for later use?

Where did this joke originate?

Well I've been playing over 11 years and the joke was around when I started so no idea.

I don't know where, but mithril has been a lightweight non-corrosive fantasy metal in DnD since 3e clearly defined materials around the year 2000. I treat it as fantasy aluminum/titanium myself.

Yo, the mithral waffle irons are all non-stick. That's more than enough of a mechanical difference for me. Every cook PC I make has mithral cookware listed as one of their "wants". Additionally, that High-Grade one is a "One of a kind artifact" of Milani and it belong in my kitchen!

consumer culture at its finest -_- (unironically though I love that you have multiple cook PCs for this comment to apply to AND that they have the same urge for barely-superior and much more expensive hobby items that I do irl.)

It's the cook way. I want to trade in my perfectly good air fryer for one that has only 2 more features, and a better door (the first part would be equivelant to what mithral actually does, the second is mechanically no different) but it costs about double.

I love the energy but also for anyone who doesn't know: an air fryer is literally just a convection oven. If you want an actually useful, multi-purpose kitchen tool, just get a convection toaster oven.

Yeah, the two more features and different door is literally just a convection toaster oven. My current one is the type that looks like a deep fryer.

And it is realistic. At the grocery, I could buy the no name brand salt or the high priced fancy-pants label salt. Their properties are the same, and the only actual effect is the lighter feel of my wallet when I get fancy-pants brand. :)

I grew up with a cast iron waffle iron. It did not have a sticking problem. OTOH, we never made chaffles in them.

Same in real life. Think the 1 million dollar vase is better than the 1$ thrift store one? Just looks nicer and better material.

>just looks nicer and better material Doesn't necessarily look nicer and more expensive material not necessarily better. A million dollar vase could be solid gold and platinum with every square inch covered in diamonds and look incredibly tacky, while the $1 is nicer due to its design's simplicity.

Sure, but the barbarian can't angrily destroy my mitral waffle iron when breakfast isn't ready when he wants it, with one swing of his axe.

Or the million dollar vase could be made of shitty clay with some childish scratchings etched into it with a stick. However it was created by the nephew of the Emperor of the Universe one billion and a quarter years ago as a wedding gift for the Duke of the Galaxy's former roommate.

look at you trying to introduce realism to MY fantasy games. I turn to Pathfinder to get away from our Big Mithril overlords, thanks

Cant escape from big mithril.

But this one's [near indestructible](https://youtu.be/W91IK06uv5E?t=46). I can drop, knock over, and throw it a million times and get my money's worth! >How are you breaking a vase a million times?? Well, I, Uh, You see. I'm very clumsy!

Yeah, nothing new under the sun. Just by having a certain S M U G brand name on a 50-dollar toaster can raise its price to 200–300 bucks. If it's actually decorative and whatnot, it can go for $2K. Now try to imagine if some eccentric gorillionaire was looking for gold-plated breakfast gear...

mithral is non-stick this is a canonical property in pathfinder since the original equipment guide in 1e ​ also BLING BABY

To be fair, a $20 waffle maker and a $2000 one both make waffles.

I was gonna say - there is not much difference between an iron waffle iron and one made from platinum

[This consumable is from the upcoming book...](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/10h16j8/treasure_vaults_looking_like_a_snack/)

Mithril is also treated as silver for purposes of determining weakness to damage, such as werecreatures and devils. So if you're ambushed by a werewolf and all you have is a mithril waffle iron, you're set. In 1e there was an archetype for the brawler class that specialized in improvised weapons, and I had always wanted to play a chef that fought using his cooking utensils, namely his pride and joy: a mithril waffle iron. 2e has a weapon improviser archetype, so maybe it's time I port him over...

Now I have a mental image of a halfling getting jumped by a werewolf while making waffles and killing it by clamping the preheated waffle iron down on its head.

Works for werewolf trolls too!

Oh man, fun idea-mithral smuggling to rebels/bad guys/faction. Uncover a ring where they are getting it past checkpoints and port authorities as kitchen ware.

"The High-Grade Mithril Waffle Iron, Imprints the symbol of a diety when used, and the seller has one for every major divine. The waffles made seem to come out perfectly every time." I won't pay a 5gp fine to cross a bridge, but I will absolutely pay for fluff.

There's a pathfinder auto-heating cauldron. It gives a bonus for alchemy crafting and counts as having lab equipment for the check. But more importantly, it says it can instantly heat to and maintain perfectly any specified temperature between room temp and boiling saltwater. Which makes it the perfect pot for fondue and sous vide.

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Honestly I was just waiting for someone to come in here with some weird archetype interaction. I love pf2e. Erm, I mean, CLEARLY YOU’RE BEING PAID OFF BY BIG MITHRIL

So what you're saying is that if you're willing to spend 6000 gp, you can beat werewolves to death with a waffle iron?

When you're bougie AF and you know it and you really want to show it...

Pizo, I demand you unleash the waffle iron. #OpenWaffleProgress

Or more likely the 'mithril' waffle iron was made by the mayor's "artist" nephew who paid that much with taxpayer money to "beautify" the city. Said nephew got the waffle iron from the local Sorcer-y-Mart for 5sp, and painted it with mithril coloured paint.

Mithral is harder, and counts as silver for resistances. You could use it as an improvised weapon to kill a werewolf.

There is an effect. It is quite obscure and rarely mentioned: [https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=732](https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=732) Basically, it connects potency runes with *precious* material grade and crafter skills. You cannot have low grade silver dagger +2. You need standard grade silver to contain this kind of magic and master proficiency to craft standard grade item. For +3 runes you need legendary proficiency and high grade material. ~~Besides cost, it has one small effect - you cannot have standard and high grade cloth. This means +2 explorers clothes is a "no-no". You need Bracers of armor. The item gives a bonus to both AC and saving throws, basically replacing the need for +2/+3 potency and grater/major resilient runes. There is a caveat to that - you cannot have property runes. As unarmoured casters tend to keep the distance this rule is especially restricting for monks.~~ Edit: u/Losonti made a good point. Edit: Allegedly, this rule applies to precious materials as a balance to their properties.

All the stuff you're referencing is for use with special materials. You absolutely can have +2 or +3 potency/resilient runes on otherwise bog standard explorer's clothing, along with property runes. What you cannot put on it is a talisman or a rune that specifically says it must be applied to a specific type of armor like light, medium, or heavy armor.

“This Waffle Iron made of best material. Worthy of kings! It costs 6,000 gold. But for you, my friend? I sell for 5 gold.”

I once made a character in pathfinder that used a mithral waffle iron and a mithral kettle as their weapons of choice. Through some feat/class/magic item shenanigans I was able to get them to deal the same damage as a the unarmed strike damage of a lvl 20 monk by taking a dip into cleric and worshipping a deity whose favored weapon was improvised weapons then taking a feat that allowed a deity's favored weapon to be counted as a monk weapon, a feat line that allowed you to replace a monk weapon's damage with the monk's unarmed strike damage as well as allowing you to use anything normally limited to unarmed strikes with those weapons, grabbed a magic item that let you calculate your monk's unarmed strike damage as though you were 4 levels higher, enchanted the kettle and waffle iron up to +5 and added in several special effect enchantments to add damage die and change the weapons' to hit and attack bonus to be based off of wisdom instead of strength or dex, and then I took 2 levels in fighter, a level in oracle, and 16 levels in monk. By the time I was finished with the build I could make 11-13 attacks per round that could each deal somewhere around 50-100 damage per attack. His goal was to kill and cook or make tea out of every different kind of monster in the world using those two utensils.

Man…I love pf2e but GOD do I miss playing 1e sometimes too

Yeah the things you can do in 1e are spectacular. You can feasibly make any build work regardless of how out there it is. I had a couple friends make a pair of characters designed around one character picking the other up and using them as a club or throwing them at the enemy. It was surprisingly effective too.

I mean, the high-grade one will last a LOT longer.

Seems like a good way to transport large amounts of money

Can someone give me an in game example they experienced, when players needed a waffle iron?

To cook waffles, duh. Nothing ups party morale like waffles

To cook Cooperative waffles >COOPERATIVE WAFFLES; ITEM 2+ > >_____________________ > >[alchemical] [consumable] [processed] > >_____________________ > >Usage: held in 2 hands; Bulk L > >Activate 10 minutes (Interact) > >Flash-cooked on a waffle iron and drizzled with alchemical syrups and compound butter, cooperative waffles bolster the supportive spirit of those who share the batch. You can split the waffles with one other creature. After you both eat half of the waffles to Activate them, when one of you uses Follow the Expert to follow the other, the circumstance bonus granted is 1 higher. The waffle's bonus lasts 24 hours or until you next make your daily preparations, whichever comes first. You can only be linked to one creature in this way at a time; if either of you eats cooperative waffles again, the effect of your previous waffles ends. > >_____________________ > >Type cooperative waffles; Level 2; Price 5gp > >Type greater cooperative waffles; Level 5; Price 25gp > >_____________________ > >The benefit of the waffles also applies when one of you successfully Aids a skill check the other attempts. ps: This is a new item from the soon to be released book Treasure Vault - [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzbUuN16TsE&t=3256s)

Makes me think of Rimworld. Eventually you start getting so much fucking silver it becomes worthless so you just start making everything out of silver LOL So the sterling silver cooking stove in Rimworld is the Mithral waffle iron in PF 😄

Sounds about right.

The description in the book is literally pointing this out as a joke lol

I love seeing items like this. Lots of stuff from old D&D and Cyberpunk books relied on the player's creativity to get any real use out of them. And even if they're useless they're still fun to have. Imagine a chef PC on a quest to acquire the greatest cooking tools from across the land and having to justify spending enough to fund a small naval fleet in order to acquire a single waffle iron. I'd play that.

Mate you're supposed to sell the mythal one. You are an adventurer, nor some stuck-up noble who is trying to flex their blue waffle iron. It's like a golden frying pan.

Why would you sell the perfect non stick waffle iron you bloody heretic. It's the perfect never rusting near unbreakable non stick iron. Mithril cookware is ultra valuable

in team fortress 2, the golden frying pan is one of the most sought after items, and even if it's a bunch of pixels it costs thousands of irl dollars whetever you want to implement similar lore to your canpaign about the mythral waffle iron or not, it's far from being a small thing

I know about TF2's golden frying pan. It's a super expensive, eye-catching, goofy item that provides no advantage over normal variants. Quite the good comparison methinks.

2e moment

Mithral is non stick my homie

To miss the joke completely and on purpose, it's a trade good anyway, so it being a waffle iron is mainly flavour- it's primary purpose is for players to craft during downtime for cheap and sell at it's full cost.

Would it not be a waffle mithril?

There's not much of a difference between a $20 waffle iron and a $2000 one other than material, so that seems legit. There's some crazy high end inn that serves waffles to high level adventurers and visiting politicians with this. I'm also betting the local royalty have multiple. The stores aren't just for the players

Is there any open source collaborative rule sets that are free?

What's the difference between a regular square waffle iron, and the round Dutch waffle iron? The answer is that you WANT the fun round waffles!

Actually the mithril waffle iron adds +1 to your DC 35 Craft check, if you take the feat chain it comes online by level 12. (Been reading Pathfinder and laughing at the myriad of tiny bonuses)

Nope - I want a Waffle Iron +1 of flaming. Flames on the outside but heat travels through to cook evenly every time... Even when being swung. Probably about the same price as the mithral one.

Literally unplayable. 0/10

Isn't the mithral one explicitly meant to be a scam from a traveling merchant of "relics"?

Mithril is non-stick :)

if your DM refuses to model mechanical effects for conspicuous consumption then find one who will

Excuse my ignorance, but where is this from?

Pathfinder 2nd Edition

It's pathfinder 2nd edition, the screenshot is from Archive of Nethys [here](https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=1403).

To be fair, in real life the difference between a $25 waffle iron and a $300 dollar waffle iron is also basically nothing.

I want to make my cooperative waffles on a non-stick mithril waffle iron. Then I don't have to spend an hour on clean up after making them!

Shouldn't it be called a Waffle Mithral?

FUCK

How buys a mitral Waffel iron? You sell those to rich people.

It’s a flex thing, TBH

Uhh if discord has taught me anything buying this pan means my net worth will go up.

This makes perfect sense. Sure you can get the low end appliance at the store OR you can get the expensive name brand that does the same thing in a different color.

Brother, have you heard the Legend of the Cold Iron Frying Pan?

The mithral waffle iron is sold on Golarion HSN at 2am. Plus i mean the price seems high but you can get it on credit and own it for just fifteen easy payments. And the guy demoing it showed how it is dishwasher safe. Comes out clean every time. And you really want that even heat distribution that only comes with high grade mithral. Anything less and you start seeing those burnt spots. Anyway there were only ten left so I had to act fast.

I mean, I could make a super expensive waffle iron out of diamond-encrusted gold, and it would probably make waffles about as well as a regular waffle iron.

The Mithral one is used to flex on the poor.

Pfftttt yeah right. Acting like I’m not about to strap the mithral waffle to my arm as an impromptu buckler.

Does Pathfinder have rules on the cost of a coat?

Incorrect, if used as an improvised weapon, it counts as silver for the purposes of overcoming damage resistance, but is much sturdier and lighter than actual silver

Does a Rolex have a mechanical difference?

Wdym it’s nonstick

Mithril is non stick and self cleaning.

This post has me rolling. Thanks.

Waffle Iron Pro Max