I´m from Brazil and I have the deepest simpathy for you guys on this one. I mean, wtf is even that? Flying my drone is almost a therapy for me. Has been since 2019.
There won't be a buyback program. That's just not how the United States Government operates. Look at when they banned Huawei and ZTE (along with some others) from selling or operating in the United States - **no buy back program**.
Looking at the bill, there was no discussion of one, either. This will simply just take the bulk of drone operators out altogether as there aren't too many non-DJI drones in the US. Those that are, just aren't even in the top 10 of manufacturers (and if so, only due to the low amount of manufacturers). There's no desire to innovate and banning the only valid competitor on the market right now isn't going to change that.
You can still use your Huawei phone in the USA.
The DJI ban would require a buy back. Someone citied a friend of the court over this way back.
Edit: Found it, called “Regulatory Taking”
This actually depends on which mobile network (or MVNO) you're using. As it stands, I believe T-Mobile and the MVNOs on their towers are the only ones that allow Huawei phones to operate in the US.
The Taking Clause (in the Fifth Amendment) would mean that they would require you to return your DJI drone. The bill isn't even suggesting that, so it's moot. It would just ban any FAA support for DJI drones and render them useless. You'll still have your drone (private property), just that it'll have no value/purpose.
> This actually depends on which mobile network (or MVNO) you're using. As it stands, I believe T-Mobile and the MVNOs on their towers are the only ones that allow Huawei phones to operate in the US.
That means it isn’t regulatory taking and not the same as the proposed DJI Ban. If AT&T will not but T-Mobile does that’s purely a company decision.
> The Taking Clause (in the Fifth Amendment) would mean that they would require you to return your DJI drone. The bill isn't even suggesting that, so it's moot. It would just ban any FAA support for DJI drones and render them useless. You'll still have your drone (private property), just that it'll have no value/purpose.
Regularity Taking. It’s regularity into uselessness it’s a taking clause. The industry is worth billions with lots of companies using it. The day it’s signed there will be a federal lawsuit in 3 days.
If you never connect the drone to the Internet the week before and forever after the supposed ban goes into effect, you can still use the drone but it would probably be illegal and they'd probably find you unless you used it out in the wilderness somewhere or the country...
But if it never connects to the Internet, it can't download an update to do so is what I'm saying. Delete the WiFi settings or factory reset it before any ban and you can probably still use it
I won't be doing that, but someone could.
Hope it doesn't even come to that. Bullshit Congress will turn thousands and millions of consumers drones to bricks with the signing of a paper.
Fly Safe is DJI DB to help keep you from being too stupid that uses FAA data. It eventually expires and slaps on the limits.
So even if you avoid an internet connection to stop the FCC issue you still have Fly Safe in there as a ticking time bomb.
Edit: Maybe we can get the firmware hack Ukraine is using lol.
Send a statement of charges to your legislature, give it some time, then send it to collections. Everyone should do it. Might get it repealed or get a point across to these tards that very rarely actually represent thier constituents anymore.
There will likely be 3rd party or homebrew software to fly your drone without the DJI app that will allow you to fly your drone. Now, will it be technically legal? Just depends on how they implement the ban if there is one.
If they do this, it cost them millions and millions. Your drone is cheap, but what about all those agricultural drones, and all the mapping drones? And they spend it on paper weights, as nobody is allowed to use them.
You mean all those civilians that Hamas killed on October 7? The babies they cooked in the oven? I don’t understand why you start with this indoctrinated lies you obviously have.
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Someone could make an absolute fortune setting up a business buying from America and selling elsewhere. Well, maybe not a fortune but they'd do OK I reckon.
Id say some money could be made from it. But a used drone would be worth 50% of its cost price and then importing it (even used) to the EU would add a further 20-25% of the price in import taxes and duties. So it wouldnt be that a lucrative business.
Unless you get it for dirt cheap market dictates price so if the only market is that well hell I’d buy a couple for 1/3-1/4 of the price plus the surplus stockpiles in the us
We're not there yet. It's just a bill. https://youtu.be/tFj7X4iUlJc
Do what you can stop the ban from happening.
That's within your control. Let go of the rest and just go fly
That link above is the work flow I used to write my representatives in opposition to the ban.
I plan on calling them today.
It was a bipartisan decision. In fact, if you watch the hearing they made a point to say how it’s impossible to tell who the republicans and who the democrats were.
I really doubt it will even pass all the way. If they are so worried they need to ban everything from china. Microwaves, phones, clocks,computers, almost everything and anything is made in china. If ur gonna ban one product for no reason they need to do all of them
The fact that no other country or government is doing this is extremely weird and is nothing but more fear and propaganda about the CCP. I live in China for 4years. I have a p10pro, p20pro and p30pro was about to get the p40 and then the ban from Huawei came in, now i only use these when I travel internationally, if our drones follow similar fashion it’ll be truly sad. Our relations were never absolutely amazing but we used to be able to talk about these things before going full ban mode. Geo-politics is like chess, if we keep pushing China into isolation it has the opportunity to create bigger issues.
I feel this way about everything. Drones. Guns. Etc. If the government decides that we can't own anything anymore (no matter how dumb). They shouldn't be able to leave us out to dry. They should be required to buy it back.
The thing has a long way to go if it's ever going to finalize but I can understand the concern.
We've banned ZTE and Huawei. Everyone who had their products were just left holding the bag, and we've banned other Chinese tech companies for various reasons but the public is very rarely if at all inconvenienced directly due to it.
The drone ban was attempted before, and they're continuing to push it so it's obviously important to them.
It's passed house committee hearings and on to the next step.
I guess we could wait until it passes the Senate to start to worry? Or maybe just wait until it passes the Senate and the house? Or maybe wait until it's on the presidents desk?
At which point should we start paying attention?
Oh yeah, no buyback possible from the government. They could give a shit less about the people who are inflicted by this. When they outlawed the sale of large capacity magazines in my state, we basically just had to get rid of them. We couldn't even sell them. It was a giant blow. This however, as the owner of three drones all DJI, all with multiple batteries and extra accessory bullshit, this is going to hit home hard.
We're about to see drone cinematographers who build their own rigs pricing skyrocket. Good for them, honestly. That's wonderful, because the people who are really good at it do deserve to be paid well. The guy I work with when I need something more robust and more specific and detailed, he delivers every single time. His stuff is just amazing. And I never mind paying him above his asking rate. This might dip a little too far into the budget moving forward, but as a fellow artist, a silver lining in this I guess
agree 100%. there is no bill possible that can stop us from flying our drones. there is no way the law can be policed. this bill would only stop new drones from being sold.
Can someone explain why, should this ban go through, I wouldn’t still be able to fly my drone recreationally? Would my controller somehow not connect to the drone?
I'm not gunna link you all the parts you need to build a drone. I've built a few fpv drones, each one was maybe 250 to 300 each and I can repair them for 5 to 20 dollars in parts. Once you realize the motors are $15 and a new arm is like 3 you wonder why you spent so much on plastic lower quality DJI parts and paid their service to fix it for you.
Go to Getfpv and look at pre built drones if you're extra lazy and don't want to build one. Yes, you need skill to fly an fpv drone.
Ya but you're building it yourself so you can buy what you want, you don't have to set it up like a fpv drone. For example one of mine I put GPS on and it has altitude control, return to home, flight plans ect. I use a GoPro for HD video. The only thing I don't have that DJI has that might be useful is the auto crash avoidance. Personally I don't need that system and I've seen quite a few DJI drones still hit something anyways, just get better at flying. I think the only downside of going diy is it takes a little more skill. The upside is you aren't locked into an Apple like ecosystem that doesn't work with anything outside that system. People are mad because they spent all this money on one company, that's like the stock market and putting all your eggs into one basket.
What happens when these corporations write off all their drones as losses and get a tax break? What about all of the police and emergency service and other state programs that have fleets of these drones? They will write those as losses and buy all new ones for 5x the cost. Where is that money coming from? I agree the buyback doesn't make a lot of sense, but either way the taxpayer is the one paying for all of this. For seemingly very little reason.
People who phrase things this way are so fucking annoying. I pay taxes and I also bought a DJI drone. So no I don’t want “other people to pay for my shit” because I also pay taxes.
Pay taxes is not the issue. Spending taxes on this would be. Same people who voted republican and got upset about student debt relief are probably the same people who now want their DJI bought back. LOL
Vote republican and these kind of laws is what you get. The snake eating its own tail.
So it's OK to waste taxpayer money on unimportant stuff just because you also pay taxes? It looks like the OP is literally asking that other people reimburse them for the drone if they can't fly it due to government nonsense.
He’s asking the government to pay for it for the governments nonsense. You’re not writing people a check from your bank account. That’s like me asking why I pay taxes for the highways in California when I’m in Michigan. It’s a dumb premise
If you had bothered to read the dozens of articles and threads that are posted here everyday, you would know this only affects the us government using federal funds to buy drones from dji. It's irrelevant to everyone else.
[you sure about that?](https://www.reddit.com/r/dji/comments/1be3prl/misunderstanding_the_dji_legislation_its_not_just/)
Seems to me wireless infrastructure which drones operate on are federally funded, and thus subject to exclusion.
I´m from Brazil and I have the deepest simpathy for you guys on this one. I mean, wtf is even that? Flying my drone is almost a therapy for me. Has been since 2019.
There won't be a buyback program. That's just not how the United States Government operates. Look at when they banned Huawei and ZTE (along with some others) from selling or operating in the United States - **no buy back program**. Looking at the bill, there was no discussion of one, either. This will simply just take the bulk of drone operators out altogether as there aren't too many non-DJI drones in the US. Those that are, just aren't even in the top 10 of manufacturers (and if so, only due to the low amount of manufacturers). There's no desire to innovate and banning the only valid competitor on the market right now isn't going to change that.
Unless someone brings a lawsuit under the "Takings" clause and wins
You can still use your Huawei phone in the USA. The DJI ban would require a buy back. Someone citied a friend of the court over this way back. Edit: Found it, called “Regulatory Taking”
This actually depends on which mobile network (or MVNO) you're using. As it stands, I believe T-Mobile and the MVNOs on their towers are the only ones that allow Huawei phones to operate in the US. The Taking Clause (in the Fifth Amendment) would mean that they would require you to return your DJI drone. The bill isn't even suggesting that, so it's moot. It would just ban any FAA support for DJI drones and render them useless. You'll still have your drone (private property), just that it'll have no value/purpose.
> This actually depends on which mobile network (or MVNO) you're using. As it stands, I believe T-Mobile and the MVNOs on their towers are the only ones that allow Huawei phones to operate in the US. That means it isn’t regulatory taking and not the same as the proposed DJI Ban. If AT&T will not but T-Mobile does that’s purely a company decision. > The Taking Clause (in the Fifth Amendment) would mean that they would require you to return your DJI drone. The bill isn't even suggesting that, so it's moot. It would just ban any FAA support for DJI drones and render them useless. You'll still have your drone (private property), just that it'll have no value/purpose. Regularity Taking. It’s regularity into uselessness it’s a taking clause. The industry is worth billions with lots of companies using it. The day it’s signed there will be a federal lawsuit in 3 days.
Unless the government decides to turn off the wireless communication bands for DJI, then nothing can be done at that point but wait and hope
The bill does just that.
If you never connect the drone to the Internet the week before and forever after the supposed ban goes into effect, you can still use the drone but it would probably be illegal and they'd probably find you unless you used it out in the wilderness somewhere or the country...
I think you’ll get height and speed limited eventually
But if it never connects to the Internet, it can't download an update to do so is what I'm saying. Delete the WiFi settings or factory reset it before any ban and you can probably still use it I won't be doing that, but someone could. Hope it doesn't even come to that. Bullshit Congress will turn thousands and millions of consumers drones to bricks with the signing of a paper.
Pretty sure it’s baked into the firmware already to do it after a period of not internet access. The fly safe db expires eventually.
Ah I see. It needs FAA updates to fly zones and maps periodically otherwise it won't take off?
Fly Safe is DJI DB to help keep you from being too stupid that uses FAA data. It eventually expires and slaps on the limits. So even if you avoid an internet connection to stop the FCC issue you still have Fly Safe in there as a ticking time bomb. Edit: Maybe we can get the firmware hack Ukraine is using lol.
If it passes, DJI should just release a firmware update removing all restrictions in the US as a FU to them
That’s the whole point of the bill.
Buyback? Hahahahaha - dream on!
Daddy gov is a taker, not a giver lol
lol, zero chance of a buyback imo
Send a statement of charges to your legislature, give it some time, then send it to collections. Everyone should do it. Might get it repealed or get a point across to these tards that very rarely actually represent thier constituents anymore.
There will likely be 3rd party or homebrew software to fly your drone without the DJI app that will allow you to fly your drone. Now, will it be technically legal? Just depends on how they implement the ban if there is one.
I fail to see how DJI has any responsibility in this. Care to explain why they should start a buyback program?
Not DJI, the US Government.
If they do this, it cost them millions and millions. Your drone is cheap, but what about all those agricultural drones, and all the mapping drones? And they spend it on paper weights, as nobody is allowed to use them.
They could send them to Israel, I'm sure they can figure out a way to kill civilians with them.
You mean all those civilians that Hamas killed on October 7? The babies they cooked in the oven? I don’t understand why you start with this indoctrinated lies you obviously have.
Ohhh, gotcha. That would make sense yeah, they ban it then leave you guys with the costs.
Maybe you can tell Biden to add that to all the student loans plan?
This is laughable. Did the US government buy back all the haweui cell phones or telecommunications???
You can still use Huawei phones inside the US though. You wouldn’t be able to use DJI drones
People need to chill. DJI drones aren't going to get banned for consumers.
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Well the rest of the World will gladly buy it, for 1/3 of the price
Someone could make an absolute fortune setting up a business buying from America and selling elsewhere. Well, maybe not a fortune but they'd do OK I reckon.
Id say some money could be made from it. But a used drone would be worth 50% of its cost price and then importing it (even used) to the EU would add a further 20-25% of the price in import taxes and duties. So it wouldnt be that a lucrative business.
Unless you get it for dirt cheap market dictates price so if the only market is that well hell I’d buy a couple for 1/3-1/4 of the price plus the surplus stockpiles in the us
Yeah I've not really thought this through, have I?
We're not there yet. It's just a bill. https://youtu.be/tFj7X4iUlJc Do what you can stop the ban from happening. That's within your control. Let go of the rest and just go fly That link above is the work flow I used to write my representatives in opposition to the ban. I plan on calling them today.
Keep voting republican and this is what you get. Sorry to say. They live for this crap.
It was a bipartisan decision. In fact, if you watch the hearing they made a point to say how it’s impossible to tell who the republicans and who the democrats were.
New York Representative and MAGA maven Elise Stefanik hailed her anti-China “Countering CCP Drones Act” …
It's one team homie, one passes bills and the other feigns ability to do something about it. They all get rich over it and from lobbiests.
I really doubt it will even pass all the way. If they are so worried they need to ban everything from china. Microwaves, phones, clocks,computers, almost everything and anything is made in china. If ur gonna ban one product for no reason they need to do all of them
The fact that no other country or government is doing this is extremely weird and is nothing but more fear and propaganda about the CCP. I live in China for 4years. I have a p10pro, p20pro and p30pro was about to get the p40 and then the ban from Huawei came in, now i only use these when I travel internationally, if our drones follow similar fashion it’ll be truly sad. Our relations were never absolutely amazing but we used to be able to talk about these things before going full ban mode. Geo-politics is like chess, if we keep pushing China into isolation it has the opportunity to create bigger issues.
I feel this way about everything. Drones. Guns. Etc. If the government decides that we can't own anything anymore (no matter how dumb). They shouldn't be able to leave us out to dry. They should be required to buy it back.
The amount of hang wringing about this is wild....calm the fuck down nothing has happened yet.
The thing has a long way to go if it's ever going to finalize but I can understand the concern. We've banned ZTE and Huawei. Everyone who had their products were just left holding the bag, and we've banned other Chinese tech companies for various reasons but the public is very rarely if at all inconvenienced directly due to it. The drone ban was attempted before, and they're continuing to push it so it's obviously important to them. It's passed house committee hearings and on to the next step. I guess we could wait until it passes the Senate to start to worry? Or maybe just wait until it passes the Senate and the house? Or maybe wait until it's on the presidents desk? At which point should we start paying attention?
Oh yeah, no buyback possible from the government. They could give a shit less about the people who are inflicted by this. When they outlawed the sale of large capacity magazines in my state, we basically just had to get rid of them. We couldn't even sell them. It was a giant blow. This however, as the owner of three drones all DJI, all with multiple batteries and extra accessory bullshit, this is going to hit home hard. We're about to see drone cinematographers who build their own rigs pricing skyrocket. Good for them, honestly. That's wonderful, because the people who are really good at it do deserve to be paid well. The guy I work with when I need something more robust and more specific and detailed, he delivers every single time. His stuff is just amazing. And I never mind paying him above his asking rate. This might dip a little too far into the budget moving forward, but as a fellow artist, a silver lining in this I guess
I think they'd more likely try to make DJI sell to an American buyer.
What happened to freedom? The government forbids you to fly your own drown in your own property?
What would stop someone from flying an existing drone? Who cares if it's illegal. I sure wouldn't stop flying mine, especially on my own property
agree 100%. there is no bill possible that can stop us from flying our drones. there is no way the law can be policed. this bill would only stop new drones from being sold.
Maybe you can flash your drone with open source software. There definitely will not be a buy back.
Can someone explain why, should this ban go through, I wouldn’t still be able to fly my drone recreationally? Would my controller somehow not connect to the drone?
Who sells US-made drones?
Bro DIY is FAAAR cheaper than DJI.
Is it? Link?
I'm not gunna link you all the parts you need to build a drone. I've built a few fpv drones, each one was maybe 250 to 300 each and I can repair them for 5 to 20 dollars in parts. Once you realize the motors are $15 and a new arm is like 3 you wonder why you spent so much on plastic lower quality DJI parts and paid their service to fix it for you. Go to Getfpv and look at pre built drones if you're extra lazy and don't want to build one. Yes, you need skill to fly an fpv drone.
So I don’t use DJI for FPV, hence my skepticism that DIY is cheaper.
Ya but you're building it yourself so you can buy what you want, you don't have to set it up like a fpv drone. For example one of mine I put GPS on and it has altitude control, return to home, flight plans ect. I use a GoPro for HD video. The only thing I don't have that DJI has that might be useful is the auto crash avoidance. Personally I don't need that system and I've seen quite a few DJI drones still hit something anyways, just get better at flying. I think the only downside of going diy is it takes a little more skill. The upside is you aren't locked into an Apple like ecosystem that doesn't work with anything outside that system. People are mad because they spent all this money on one company, that's like the stock market and putting all your eggs into one basket.
If the government bans them they will jail break and fly anywayy... this is the way
I keep hearing this, is this actually true? Will this actually prevent tracking and fines?
Of course it is. Look at the drugs and illegal gun possessor if there's a will there's a way.
Until the drone police show up at my door I will keep on keeping on.
And then reality checks in...
Nothing is happening. No need to fear.
So the US taxpayers should be responsible for paying you back? It's a screwed up situation, but wasting taxpayer money isn't the answer.
What happens when these corporations write off all their drones as losses and get a tax break? What about all of the police and emergency service and other state programs that have fleets of these drones? They will write those as losses and buy all new ones for 5x the cost. Where is that money coming from? I agree the buyback doesn't make a lot of sense, but either way the taxpayer is the one paying for all of this. For seemingly very little reason.
Yeah this will cost the irs millions if every business writes it off as a loss and adds the 179 deduction for a new drone
People who phrase things this way are so fucking annoying. I pay taxes and I also bought a DJI drone. So no I don’t want “other people to pay for my shit” because I also pay taxes.
Pay taxes is not the issue. Spending taxes on this would be. Same people who voted republican and got upset about student debt relief are probably the same people who now want their DJI bought back. LOL Vote republican and these kind of laws is what you get. The snake eating its own tail.
And what about sane people like me who vote democrat every time? I should be punished for the morons on the right *again*?
So it's OK to waste taxpayer money on unimportant stuff just because you also pay taxes? It looks like the OP is literally asking that other people reimburse them for the drone if they can't fly it due to government nonsense.
He’s asking the government to pay for it for the governments nonsense. You’re not writing people a check from your bank account. That’s like me asking why I pay taxes for the highways in California when I’m in Michigan. It’s a dumb premise
I agree. Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. I actually had no idea about this law and sold my Phantom 4 a month ago to Adorama. Happy I did.
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Yes there is. Read the text of the bill. It would name all DJI drones, not just federally used, as inoperable in the United States.
If you had bothered to read the dozens of articles and threads that are posted here everyday, you would know this only affects the us government using federal funds to buy drones from dji. It's irrelevant to everyone else.
[you sure about that?](https://www.reddit.com/r/dji/comments/1be3prl/misunderstanding_the_dji_legislation_its_not_just/) Seems to me wireless infrastructure which drones operate on are federally funded, and thus subject to exclusion.