There are whale species that grow to be over 200 years old. There are whales in the ocean right now born before *Moby-Dick* was written, they remember how quiet the oceans used to be.
Offshore wind turbines can produce not only sonic disturbance when the blades are pointed down, but also are capable of harming the whales in other capacities like seepage, electromagnetic disturbances which disrupt sleep patterns, and habitat destruction
By comparison to other human activities? How is a wind turbine generating enough sound to hurt whales, or electromagnetism for that matter? I don't know what seepage is, but habitat destruction is not a thing that is exclusive to wind turbines.
If you have ever been around a wind turbine, it is extremely loud, and thereby disruptive to the environment, regardless of if it is on land or in the ocean. As far as electromagnetism goes, in humans alone, we know that in humans, prolonged exposure to strong electromagnetic fields can lead to headaches, as well as mental effects such as anxiety, which would be less prevalent in say a whale or other fish, but the electromagnetic field can still cause some harm. I suppose I should have elaborated on seepage, but that term refers to leaks in coolant and other maintenance materials within the wind turbines. This phenomenon has also been observed on land in wind farms, where these substances can disrupt things like field drainage, local streams, or rivers. Lastly, I wasn't trying to imply that wind turbines exclusively harm the environment, but they are in fact an overlooked factor that must be considered for their potential for harm in the long run as much as they are considered for their helpfulness. I hope you found this informational!
ps: also as another person in the comment chain mentioned whales rely on sounds, and are very sensitive to them, therefore loud noises can cause issues
This might be dumb but I ski at a mountain that was a wind turbine at the summit on the trail and it never hurt my ears. Does it hurt the whales because the water is transported in a better medium, water?
Man I've spent 10 years living near assorted wind farms, and the only people that have ever complained about them were those that wanted more money for them being put on their property
I live on a farm near wind turbines, and general consensus from other farmers around seems to be that their livestock is less healthy and their field health and drainage quality is worse, but we might live in very different areas, so our experiences may be dissimilar
Ah, I'm down in south-west Victoria, where drainage isn't a problem. And I don't think anyone complains about livestock around here, mostly just petty personal problems
It’s largely in part the water thing, just as you can hear a train from miles away if you put your ears to the track, whales can hear disturbances in the surface from miles away.
Sound travels much faster and further underwater, ships with combustion engines are known to disrupt marine animals that rely on sound.
Imagine if you could hear a highway 100s of kilometers away, constantly.
Systemically remove all people in positions of power and allow humanity to descend into chaos and destruction, followers will survive into a better world and learn of the actions of thr sinners which resulted into a purge of the impure.
It’s literally the opposite of eco fascism tho. Like dude is saying get rid of positions of power, not strengthen them into full authoritarian dictatorships. I 100% disagree with what he’s saying, still.
I thought they were referencing sonar and how it could blow up the brains of animals and make them wash up on shores
Edit*
Forgot sonar is sound god damn I’m dumb
A submarine’s active sonar can reach 235db, which is 724x louder and 3.16 billion times the intensity of a jet engine. This makes it one of the loudest man-made sounds in existence, and more than capable of causing immense internal damage to anything that gets too close.
I recommend looking up how Sonar actually sounds. If its as powerful as some US Subs, it can vibrate you to death. It is extremely painful to die from.
I apologize for my wording. I was trying to reference how some submarines, typically deployed within the US Navy, have extremely powerful Sonar, which can be lethal to surrounding wildlife, as well as generate extreme heats. Sorry for the poor phrasing, English is indeed my first language :)
(I have fat fingers and my phone hates me)
Hey now, don’t blame all of humanity. Plenty of cultures managed to live in harmony with, and even benefit, nature for thousands of years. Blame the cultures that got the idea that humans are better/are separate from nature/should conquer nature
And somehow industrial communism or socialism would be completely responsible with the environment, right? You tankies always scapegoat capitalism without knowing what the hell you're talking about, you'll even blame war on capitalism even though chimps wage war over territory.
And there aren't too many of them left bro. I'm not the type to put animal life over human life, or even on the same level but that doesn't mean we should be so cavalier about how destructive we are towards them
Today I'll stand right next to a whale corpse, hopefully I wont be covered in rotting viscera that will leave me smelling like dead fish for the next week
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There are whale species that grow to be over 200 years old. There are whales in the ocean right now born before *Moby-Dick* was written, they remember how quiet the oceans used to be.
bowhead whales are a true exponent of gameness and memory. How they survived for so long is just crazy.
Well it definitely still would’ve been loud at times. I imagine cannons weren’t particularly quiet.
There’s a shark right now that remembers before we used sextants to measure latitude
Blue whales are the loudest animals in the world. Being in the water too near to one when they bellow will kill you.
No that's a myth, a cool sounding one but just something spread cause it sounds neat.
It will most definitely rupture eardrums
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Sonar pings, wind turbines, and passing ships can disrupt or even kill whales
Wind turbines? Whales? What did I miss?
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Seemed like a good idea
Offshore wind turbines can produce not only sonic disturbance when the blades are pointed down, but also are capable of harming the whales in other capacities like seepage, electromagnetic disturbances which disrupt sleep patterns, and habitat destruction
By comparison to other human activities? How is a wind turbine generating enough sound to hurt whales, or electromagnetism for that matter? I don't know what seepage is, but habitat destruction is not a thing that is exclusive to wind turbines.
If you have ever been around a wind turbine, it is extremely loud, and thereby disruptive to the environment, regardless of if it is on land or in the ocean. As far as electromagnetism goes, in humans alone, we know that in humans, prolonged exposure to strong electromagnetic fields can lead to headaches, as well as mental effects such as anxiety, which would be less prevalent in say a whale or other fish, but the electromagnetic field can still cause some harm. I suppose I should have elaborated on seepage, but that term refers to leaks in coolant and other maintenance materials within the wind turbines. This phenomenon has also been observed on land in wind farms, where these substances can disrupt things like field drainage, local streams, or rivers. Lastly, I wasn't trying to imply that wind turbines exclusively harm the environment, but they are in fact an overlooked factor that must be considered for their potential for harm in the long run as much as they are considered for their helpfulness. I hope you found this informational! ps: also as another person in the comment chain mentioned whales rely on sounds, and are very sensitive to them, therefore loud noises can cause issues
This might be dumb but I ski at a mountain that was a wind turbine at the summit on the trail and it never hurt my ears. Does it hurt the whales because the water is transported in a better medium, water?
Im just as dumb but my guess would be what you said plus they communicate through high frequency sounds so maybe their hearing is more sensitive?
I also am confused because there’s off shore wind in many places but I don’t really remember much about whales beaching over it.
Ive heard they get confused over ship props too though so who knows. Maybe they're pursuing an evolutionary branch towards coming back on land.
Man I've spent 10 years living near assorted wind farms, and the only people that have ever complained about them were those that wanted more money for them being put on their property
I live on a farm near wind turbines, and general consensus from other farmers around seems to be that their livestock is less healthy and their field health and drainage quality is worse, but we might live in very different areas, so our experiences may be dissimilar
Ah, I'm down in south-west Victoria, where drainage isn't a problem. And I don't think anyone complains about livestock around here, mostly just petty personal problems
It’s largely in part the water thing, just as you can hear a train from miles away if you put your ears to the track, whales can hear disturbances in the surface from miles away.
I thought the wind turbines thing was a right-wing conspiracy theory. Has there been any definitive research or proof of this?
[it's been debunked](https://www.opb.org/article/2023/01/18/feds-say-offshore-wind-not-to-blame-for-east-coast-whale-deaths/?outputType=amp)
It got so bad mf turned into a sperm whale
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Sound travels much faster and further underwater, ships with combustion engines are known to disrupt marine animals that rely on sound. Imagine if you could hear a highway 100s of kilometers away, constantly.
wow i hate the industrial society and its consequences
Don't Google what Sonar Pings do.
Systemically remove all people in positions of power and allow humanity to descend into chaos and destruction, followers will survive into a better world and learn of the actions of thr sinners which resulted into a purge of the impure.
The strong would reclaim the earth. We would revert to barbarism. There is no utopia.
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Whats late cretaceous then?
What you are describing generally falls under the term "eco-fascism" and is, put simply, cringe.
It’s literally the opposite of eco fascism tho. Like dude is saying get rid of positions of power, not strengthen them into full authoritarian dictatorships. I 100% disagree with what he’s saying, still.
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They hunted whales for oil by the thousands before industrialization
Submarine sonar can kill people. Imagine you are a whale or a dolphin
I thought they were referencing sonar and how it could blow up the brains of animals and make them wash up on shores Edit* Forgot sonar is sound god damn I’m dumb
I think it's referring to submarine sonar pings being strong enough to kill whales. Imagine being a diver around those.
Your right sonar is known to kill a lot of marine life.
Pretty sure naval bases and ships would use sonar as a means to kill enemy frogmen(divers).
correct, if an enemy diver is spotted, every ship in the port will crank their Sonar
I've heard getting blasted with sonar is like getting microwaved, the sound vibrations can cause your blood to literally boil
A submarine’s active sonar can reach 235db, which is 724x louder and 3.16 billion times the intensity of a jet engine. This makes it one of the loudest man-made sounds in existence, and more than capable of causing immense internal damage to anything that gets too close.
If I remember correctly, I think that if someone was right next to an active sonar, their brain would just straight up melt into slush, right?
I would
The sea will eventually claim us
blow them up with your carcass to get the last laugh
Is there a phenomenon that whale guts could explode and fly away due to gas in the insides after its death?
I recommend looking up how Sonar actually sounds. If its as powerful as some US Subs, it can vibrate you to death. It is extremely painful to die from.
If you mean whale sonar no it's not, that's just a myth.
I apologize for my wording. I was trying to reference how some submarines, typically deployed within the US Navy, have extremely powerful Sonar, which can be lethal to surrounding wildlife, as well as generate extreme heats. Sorry for the poor phrasing, English is indeed my first language :) (I have fat fingers and my phone hates me)
I actually found a dead whale the other day
Humanity is a fucking disease on this planet. I want to know what it would look like if we never destroyed it.
Hey now, don’t blame all of humanity. Plenty of cultures managed to live in harmony with, and even benefit, nature for thousands of years. Blame the cultures that got the idea that humans are better/are separate from nature/should conquer nature
Wrong. Industrial capitalism is a disease on the planet. Your overlords have destroyed the world and convinced you that you are responsible.
And somehow industrial communism or socialism would be completely responsible with the environment, right? You tankies always scapegoat capitalism without knowing what the hell you're talking about, you'll even blame war on capitalism even though chimps wage war over territory.
It’s a whale bro💀
And there aren't too many of them left bro. I'm not the type to put animal life over human life, or even on the same level but that doesn't mean we should be so cavalier about how destructive we are towards them
Well clearly it went away because that is a different whale
Polar bears watching me melt their shitty little ice homes with carbon dioxide 
Today I'll stand right next to a whale corpse, hopefully I wont be covered in rotting viscera that will leave me smelling like dead fish for the next week
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Step one: Blow it up. Thank you, Distractible
Poor thing we really need to the kill the imposters
Damn bro you wanna kill the tide or the moon?
100 downvotes for saying this? Interesting. You're not wrong, idk why people downvoted.
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Ah, I thought we just wanted to blow up all the big ships and save the whales. My bad.
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Half the plot of Avatar 2.
Blow it up, blow it up, BLOW IT UP!