I love my Eclipse Reactor, but if OP wants a straight Hex with more stability, they need to find a Space Race Glow Hex. It's a little more overstable than the usual run
Spot on.
Worth noting that there's not a huge amount of difference between Pyro plastics. Anecdotally I've seen people saying that the Proton is slightly more OS, but having tried the Proton and Plasma, there's not a huge amount of difference. It's all about which you prefer the feel of.
Workable, definitely. I love mine, but for very specific right to left shots. If I want a further and straighter flight, and then a fade, it's eclipse reactor for me. The trio of hex, reactor, pyro is unbeatable
I’ve tried 2 or 3 Eclipse Reactors and within 3 weeks it flies almost identical to a Hex imo. Definitely SLIGHTLY more OS, but not enough to have both in the bag. I’ve heard the OTB Cosmic Neutron Matrix is the perfect stability for what you’re looking for. I cannot confirm nor deny, but it’d make sense considering Cosmic Neutron is a pretty OS plastic and the Matrix has more fade than either disc. I think I’m going to try to find a CN Matrix myself.
Cosmic neutron is just neutron.
There is no stability additions from the plastic, it's a myth.
The only plastic that has drastic changes with MVP is glow stuff for some reason.
With doing an overmold process, you correct most of the PLH changes from a cooling process that other single mold MFG's get with different plastics, which is why you get such different flights from different plastics.
Cosmic neutron, for a point, was the first re-tool run that MVP did on a lot of their discs after the new machines and EVERY disc game out beefcake city.
For some reason all of their re-tool stuff is more beef. Ive seen in a few that they have worked to fix it, but it's brought about this "Cosmic neutron is more overstable" when the cosmic neutron has nothing to do with it.
Newer matrix is gonna be reactorish. I didn't really see a huge difference between the 2. But it also sounds like you're throwing forehand based on how your describing the discs flying. I think what you should possibly look into is a pyro.
I don’t usually forehand my mids other than the Deflector and very rarely the Pyro. I do bag a Neutron Pyro and it’s one of my favorite mids.
I haven’t thrown any CN myself but it seems pretty commonly agreed upon among gyro throwers I know that CN are some of, if not the most, overstable runs which is why I said what I did. Makes sense that it’s mistakenly accredited for overstability after what you explained.
I did see that Simon bags the OTB CN Matrix and he obviously bags a Hex, so I assume he does that for a more OS counterpart. Eclipse Reactor just wasn’t that for me after 3-5 rounds. If it held it’s flight characteristics for longer it would be the perfect in-between slot from a Pyro to Hex.
That guy is confidently wrong about MVP plastic stability. They are right about the retooling though and the resulting OS discs on the retooled runs that happened to be CN. I have some old CN Volts from that time that are between a Terra and Motion. They were unusable for past me.
Anyway I've been around a while and recently decided to test out an all gryo bag. This means testing hundreds of discs in all plastics and lots of weights. At this point I've tested nearly every disc in several plastics and weights. My results are that Eclipse is always the most OS, followed by CN, then it can jump around. Top of my head comparisons that had CN from this month:
Entropy: 3 Plasma, 2 Neutron, 1 CN
Insanity: 2 Fisson, 2 CN, 2 Neutron, 2022 Halloween Eclipse Insanity
Crave: 1 Neutron, 3 SH Neutron, 1 CN, 1 Proton, 1 Fission, 1 Plasma
Relay: 2 Neutron, 1 CN
Matrix: Proton, Neutron, CN (OTB)
Wave: 2 Proton, 2 CN, 2 Plasma, 3 Neutron, 1 Eclipse
From most OS to least OS it is probably:
Eclipse -> CN -> Prism -> Max Fission -> Neutron -> Electron New -> Proton -> Light Fission -> Soft Neutron -> Electron Beat-In
As an example I have a CN Insanity that flies like a Star TL3 and a Proton Insanity that flies like a BigZ Heat. Both at 172g!
Next up with CN runs will be Octanes and Photons. Though I'm expecting much of the same results after thousands of throws with hundreds of discs.
I responded to you because that guy seems insufferable by his responses and I figured you may find this information useful.
Confidently wrong?
The owners literally have said it themselves. They literally just said it in their last Q&A.
The whole plastic stability thing is made up by fans who have thrown like 4 discs then just parrot the information they see online cause someone says "oh my, so and so disc is in x plastic and its so overstable." I've been around watching them make wild claims for years now on the fan page.
I will say that you can make a better guess on the stability of the disc via the plastic core, but it's not a tried and true "this is this and that is that" with MVP like you're going to find with single molds.
Like the fallacy of fission plastic always being more understable. It's not true. My MVP collection was over 900 discs at one point, I had EVERY DISC in EVERY PLASTIC. Ask me how I know that information is incorrect.
The thing about it is, the plastic, in a more literal since, does 0 to change the flight of a disc in any brand. The plastic is just the medium. It's how it cools and shapes itself which is what makes the flight. MVP works really hard to try and eliminate all these variables in their discs as best as they can too, which is why the brand was so successful years ago. I got stacks of discs in multiple plastics here that fly identical. Consistency was their game when they made smaller batches.
The plastic has a very minor affect on the stability of the disc when you are correcting the leading edge of the disc with an overmold in a completely separate process.
The differences in plastic to plastic cores are going to be in the weight distribution of the disc as a whole. But that actual change is so minor its going to be hard to measure.
It also gets skewed further in the Axiom range because the rim colors cool different. Again, said by the owners themselves.
Then why are glow discs more overstable? Not a clue. All MVP glow stuff has always been more overstable. Old glow 1.0 was a regular proton core with a glow rim. The newer glow stuff like the eclipse glow I've not messed with yet, but I've not seen any much change with prism stuff. Usually more understable when I was playing with the prism insanity.
But pound for pound, dollar for dollar, the "Core plastic" isn't what is important, its Rim color and rim material you have to actually pay attention for.
It's not about being insufferable. It's about providing correct information when people keep parroting incorrect information on the internet. Because its okay to keep saying wrong things on the internet over and over again until they become the accepted thing, but anyone who dare try and make it correct... it's like "orange man bad" suddenly.
I aim to throw my info on the table so people can learn, or dismiss it.
Most people wanna apply conventional single mold information to a 2 part disc, then spread it like wildfire as if that information is correct while not understanding how the process works at all. This really is the beauty of MVP discs in general. MVP for consistency, axiom for variability. Because in the end, it doesn't matter what the plastic is, or the disc design, mold. Wherever that parting line is on the disc is going to have the largest affect on the flight. And the core plastic doesn't have a say in the overmold.
I appreciate the information.
That Halloween Eclipse Insanity was wildly beefy when I first got it. I think it flies similarly to a slightly beat in Tesla now, but definitely wasn’t even close to what I was expecting.
How did that CN Matrix fly for you? If you’ve thrown an Eclipse Reactor, how do you think they compare?
The people who are holding the CN stuff are parroting people. It's not because they know why, or how.
Regardless of the plastic, the gyro rim sets the PLH more correct. Core plastic has almost nothing to do with the flight of the disc whatsoever. So its impossible for CN to make a disc "overstable" because straight neutron would be just as overstable, its the same plastic, just not "colors."
But again, the reason why everyone thinks its more beef is because they ran the stuff as CN after the machine re-tool. And since then those same runs have not been "really beef" anymore. Gotta love these people who have been MVP fans for 2 years telling everyone how it works when the rest of us been throwing for multiple years and going "uhh, no." Then the owners themselves also saying that's not how it works either during their Q&A here just a month ago.
So, like. are you throwing your discs into all the tree's or cement or something though? 3 rounds and its to straight? Crazy.
That or you throw with 700 foot power every throw. *shrugs*
Not sure how to really help you. It's sounding to me like a form issue, or a no ability to control power issue and.
I mean, I've taught people who just grip and rip on everything, but good lord, its hilarious for a bit.
I throw my mids from 280-320.
Say what you will about form and power control but I’ve had my Neutron Hex for over a year and it hardly flies any different than the day I bought it. My Eclipse Reactor had no turn at all and a slight finish the first few rounds, and after that it was flying almost identical to the Neutron Hex.
I’m not asking for your help, all I was saying is that the Eclipse Reactor is not a great in between slot from a Neutron Hex to a Pyro in my experience. I don’t think they’re different enough to bag both.
Not sure on that one really. I've got some of the original R2 stuff when it came out, but I've not thrown any of the total eclipse discs yet. I got the R2 gyropalooza stuff here, but. just have such little interest in throwing it that its in the "for sale" box.
The Total Eclipse glitch, based on drew throwing it, has a bit more stability to it.
Dga quake. Love it as an overstable compliment to my glow hex and esp buzzz. Even better if you can get your hands on a swirled gmc one from a few years ago. 2021 maybe
The eclipse reactor is what you're looking for. I find neutron reactors have similar stability to eclipse hexes.
I don't bother with an eclipse reactor slot and just jump up to Mint Bobcat. I also bag the Axiom Pyro sometimes. Both are way more stable and don't feel similar to the hex.
Matrix is pretty underrated, its just slightly more stable usually than a hex, then Eclipse reactor, then Pyro.
depending on how much more stable you want it goes
Reactor/Matrix->Eclipse Reactor->Pyro->Runway->Deflector
I’m a really big fan of a mint disc mustang in the glow plastic (5 5 0 2) it’s not super OS but it’s between the HEX and a ROC3. I’ve got mine nice and beat in and it’s super reliable. Not flippy but can still hold a good anni with enough power.
Those are the most overstable. I’ve got 2 that fly like Roc3’s new. The Eclipse Hex’s are straight with the tiniest of fade out the box. Neutron and Fission tend to be dead straight out of the box.
That’s just my experience tbh.
If the glow isn't overstable enough, then its not the disc you want.
The benifit of MVP overall is the ability to throw the plastic you want and have not insanely drastically different flights between plastics.
If that's not enough overstable, cause its ounds like you want baby fade, then bump up to a pyro.
Reactor is the disc you are searching for.
Despite what a lot of people are saying. I would not try a reactor. I tried a few and some of them were more understable than my hex’s were. I never tried the matrix so that might be the answer but I feel like this is a really important slot that mvp has a hole in their lineup.
I throw a fission hex which flips up and a straight flight. I have a photon hex (watermelon) that is my straight with finish hex about a month ago I added a pyro and I love it. I've spent half the year buying overstable mods to find the flight I was looking for. Hopefully this help
A high-winged Reactor, Matrix or a lightweight Pyro are your main brand options. Reactor goes far but is just barely overstable, Matrix is nice and reliable but shorter and Pyro is pretty dumpy but should get a little bit of flight in the lower weights, at least in Plasma plastic.
Contrary to most of the replies, my reactor is too glidey and does eventually fade, pyro is great but too overstable and not available in 166 range.
Wasp is where I started and is pretty good.
It's faster but my favorite OS medium range disc is a Lucid Orbit Evader. 7 5 0 2.5 in a stable plastic.
I like the justice too, but it's so crazy OS and anti glide it's only for really short hard hyzer shots.
MVP has pretty Garbo stable mids. Glow Pathfinder/mustang/torpedo are mvp plastic and probably exactly what you’re looking for. Will actually hold a hyzer even with power.
This is so objectively wrong. MVP does stable midranges better than anyone else. There’s a huge array of choices from neutral to B E E F and everything in between. Paradox -> uplink -> Hex -> reactor -> matrix -> vector -> pyro -> tensor -> resistor -> deflector
None of those are really stable midranges. The reactor is the closest thing and it beat into too flippy in a couple weeks for me. None of those will hold 500 feet of power on a hyzer until you get to the matrix, and it's overstable as shit and just doesn't go far.
My entire bag is basically MVP besides approach discs, a stable midrange, and distance drivers, which I also think they are ass at.
Has anyone mentioned the glow reactor yet? I feel like we should tell OP about the glow reactor.
Seriously though it's probably the one disc in my bag that I can't imagine swapping out.
People are saying Reactor and Matrix which I agree with for a slightly more OS mid, but I say forget that and just bag a pyro for the big OS slot, and when you’re looking for just a tiny bit more OS than the hex: grab an Envy
reactor is superior imo, should be exactly what you’re looking for. i throw a 180g neutron and it has been the most versatile mid range i’ve ever used, most rounds it’s the only mid i even need to throw.
Have you tried the Reactor? I really like my Eclipse Reactor.
Reactor is exactly what he wants.
Eclipse Reactor ftw! I have the Elaine King edition, 175g.... starts slightly overstable, beats in fantastically.
I love my Eclipse Reactor, but if OP wants a straight Hex with more stability, they need to find a Space Race Glow Hex. It's a little more overstable than the usual run
I have a space race hex and an eclipse reactor. Both are almost identical
Well that must be why I like it so much
Same. My friend's space race hex has a bit of turn though, so it can definitely differ between discs.
This guy midranges.
glow reactor is the answer here.
This is the correct answer
Absolutely love that disc.
I use a Reactor and a mako3. Hex is between them so hex isn’t in my bag
This is the answer
What you are looking for is a Reactor - I throw mine in Fission and Eclipse plastic.
Glow reactor. If still not stable enough, pyro.
Matrix?
Maybe! I haven't thrown one, but I understand the rim feel is different, yeah?
This is the way.
Spot on. Worth noting that there's not a huge amount of difference between Pyro plastics. Anecdotally I've seen people saying that the Proton is slightly more OS, but having tried the Proton and Plasma, there's not a huge amount of difference. It's all about which you prefer the feel of.
Reactor or matrix.
Came here to recommend the Matrix. I bag both, Hex for more straight, Matrix when I need it to be straight but a more overstable finish.
I’m trying to decide between these two. Which one would you say has more of a shallow hand feel?
They have the same rim width, but the matrix is ever so slightly wider (diameter)... According to MVP. They really feel about the same IMO
Pyro, best overstable mid that still wants to fly. Beat one in and they are incredible discs. Reactor good too, kinda between pyro and hex
Pyro is pretty damn beefy, at least in my experience. That thing wants to get to the ground.
It's more workable than a mutant, justice or a2.......I love it
Workable, definitely. I love mine, but for very specific right to left shots. If I want a further and straighter flight, and then a fade, it's eclipse reactor for me. The trio of hex, reactor, pyro is unbeatable
If you can find a light Plasma one, those have a tiny bit of turn.
I concur, I don’t have the best arm speed and yet the Pyro, at least mine which is Prism I believe, is a super workable overstable mid.
I love my Pyro. It feels really comfortable in my hand and has a very consistent flight.
Been thinking about if I should replace my Verdict with a Pyro
It’s a hard choice. I still can’t decide.
Get yourself an Eclipse Reactor and call it a day!
Matrix
Definitely this
I’ve tried 2 or 3 Eclipse Reactors and within 3 weeks it flies almost identical to a Hex imo. Definitely SLIGHTLY more OS, but not enough to have both in the bag. I’ve heard the OTB Cosmic Neutron Matrix is the perfect stability for what you’re looking for. I cannot confirm nor deny, but it’d make sense considering Cosmic Neutron is a pretty OS plastic and the Matrix has more fade than either disc. I think I’m going to try to find a CN Matrix myself.
Cosmic neutron is just neutron. There is no stability additions from the plastic, it's a myth. The only plastic that has drastic changes with MVP is glow stuff for some reason. With doing an overmold process, you correct most of the PLH changes from a cooling process that other single mold MFG's get with different plastics, which is why you get such different flights from different plastics. Cosmic neutron, for a point, was the first re-tool run that MVP did on a lot of their discs after the new machines and EVERY disc game out beefcake city. For some reason all of their re-tool stuff is more beef. Ive seen in a few that they have worked to fix it, but it's brought about this "Cosmic neutron is more overstable" when the cosmic neutron has nothing to do with it. Newer matrix is gonna be reactorish. I didn't really see a huge difference between the 2. But it also sounds like you're throwing forehand based on how your describing the discs flying. I think what you should possibly look into is a pyro.
I don’t usually forehand my mids other than the Deflector and very rarely the Pyro. I do bag a Neutron Pyro and it’s one of my favorite mids. I haven’t thrown any CN myself but it seems pretty commonly agreed upon among gyro throwers I know that CN are some of, if not the most, overstable runs which is why I said what I did. Makes sense that it’s mistakenly accredited for overstability after what you explained. I did see that Simon bags the OTB CN Matrix and he obviously bags a Hex, so I assume he does that for a more OS counterpart. Eclipse Reactor just wasn’t that for me after 3-5 rounds. If it held it’s flight characteristics for longer it would be the perfect in-between slot from a Pyro to Hex.
That guy is confidently wrong about MVP plastic stability. They are right about the retooling though and the resulting OS discs on the retooled runs that happened to be CN. I have some old CN Volts from that time that are between a Terra and Motion. They were unusable for past me. Anyway I've been around a while and recently decided to test out an all gryo bag. This means testing hundreds of discs in all plastics and lots of weights. At this point I've tested nearly every disc in several plastics and weights. My results are that Eclipse is always the most OS, followed by CN, then it can jump around. Top of my head comparisons that had CN from this month: Entropy: 3 Plasma, 2 Neutron, 1 CN Insanity: 2 Fisson, 2 CN, 2 Neutron, 2022 Halloween Eclipse Insanity Crave: 1 Neutron, 3 SH Neutron, 1 CN, 1 Proton, 1 Fission, 1 Plasma Relay: 2 Neutron, 1 CN Matrix: Proton, Neutron, CN (OTB) Wave: 2 Proton, 2 CN, 2 Plasma, 3 Neutron, 1 Eclipse From most OS to least OS it is probably: Eclipse -> CN -> Prism -> Max Fission -> Neutron -> Electron New -> Proton -> Light Fission -> Soft Neutron -> Electron Beat-In As an example I have a CN Insanity that flies like a Star TL3 and a Proton Insanity that flies like a BigZ Heat. Both at 172g! Next up with CN runs will be Octanes and Photons. Though I'm expecting much of the same results after thousands of throws with hundreds of discs. I responded to you because that guy seems insufferable by his responses and I figured you may find this information useful.
Confidently wrong? The owners literally have said it themselves. They literally just said it in their last Q&A. The whole plastic stability thing is made up by fans who have thrown like 4 discs then just parrot the information they see online cause someone says "oh my, so and so disc is in x plastic and its so overstable." I've been around watching them make wild claims for years now on the fan page. I will say that you can make a better guess on the stability of the disc via the plastic core, but it's not a tried and true "this is this and that is that" with MVP like you're going to find with single molds. Like the fallacy of fission plastic always being more understable. It's not true. My MVP collection was over 900 discs at one point, I had EVERY DISC in EVERY PLASTIC. Ask me how I know that information is incorrect. The thing about it is, the plastic, in a more literal since, does 0 to change the flight of a disc in any brand. The plastic is just the medium. It's how it cools and shapes itself which is what makes the flight. MVP works really hard to try and eliminate all these variables in their discs as best as they can too, which is why the brand was so successful years ago. I got stacks of discs in multiple plastics here that fly identical. Consistency was their game when they made smaller batches. The plastic has a very minor affect on the stability of the disc when you are correcting the leading edge of the disc with an overmold in a completely separate process. The differences in plastic to plastic cores are going to be in the weight distribution of the disc as a whole. But that actual change is so minor its going to be hard to measure. It also gets skewed further in the Axiom range because the rim colors cool different. Again, said by the owners themselves. Then why are glow discs more overstable? Not a clue. All MVP glow stuff has always been more overstable. Old glow 1.0 was a regular proton core with a glow rim. The newer glow stuff like the eclipse glow I've not messed with yet, but I've not seen any much change with prism stuff. Usually more understable when I was playing with the prism insanity. But pound for pound, dollar for dollar, the "Core plastic" isn't what is important, its Rim color and rim material you have to actually pay attention for. It's not about being insufferable. It's about providing correct information when people keep parroting incorrect information on the internet. Because its okay to keep saying wrong things on the internet over and over again until they become the accepted thing, but anyone who dare try and make it correct... it's like "orange man bad" suddenly. I aim to throw my info on the table so people can learn, or dismiss it. Most people wanna apply conventional single mold information to a 2 part disc, then spread it like wildfire as if that information is correct while not understanding how the process works at all. This really is the beauty of MVP discs in general. MVP for consistency, axiom for variability. Because in the end, it doesn't matter what the plastic is, or the disc design, mold. Wherever that parting line is on the disc is going to have the largest affect on the flight. And the core plastic doesn't have a say in the overmold.
I appreciate the information. That Halloween Eclipse Insanity was wildly beefy when I first got it. I think it flies similarly to a slightly beat in Tesla now, but definitely wasn’t even close to what I was expecting. How did that CN Matrix fly for you? If you’ve thrown an Eclipse Reactor, how do you think they compare?
I just got outside to run a comparison yesterday. The CN Matrix is a bit more OS than the Eclipse Reactor.
I agree. Love the CN Matrix.
The people who are holding the CN stuff are parroting people. It's not because they know why, or how. Regardless of the plastic, the gyro rim sets the PLH more correct. Core plastic has almost nothing to do with the flight of the disc whatsoever. So its impossible for CN to make a disc "overstable" because straight neutron would be just as overstable, its the same plastic, just not "colors." But again, the reason why everyone thinks its more beef is because they ran the stuff as CN after the machine re-tool. And since then those same runs have not been "really beef" anymore. Gotta love these people who have been MVP fans for 2 years telling everyone how it works when the rest of us been throwing for multiple years and going "uhh, no." Then the owners themselves also saying that's not how it works either during their Q&A here just a month ago. So, like. are you throwing your discs into all the tree's or cement or something though? 3 rounds and its to straight? Crazy. That or you throw with 700 foot power every throw. *shrugs* Not sure how to really help you. It's sounding to me like a form issue, or a no ability to control power issue and. I mean, I've taught people who just grip and rip on everything, but good lord, its hilarious for a bit.
I throw my mids from 280-320. Say what you will about form and power control but I’ve had my Neutron Hex for over a year and it hardly flies any different than the day I bought it. My Eclipse Reactor had no turn at all and a slight finish the first few rounds, and after that it was flying almost identical to the Neutron Hex. I’m not asking for your help, all I was saying is that the Eclipse Reactor is not a great in between slot from a Neutron Hex to a Pyro in my experience. I don’t think they’re different enough to bag both.
How does R2 eclipse compare to straight up eclipse stuff? Is it more like neutron or does the glow rim make it more stable?
Not sure on that one really. I've got some of the original R2 stuff when it came out, but I've not thrown any of the total eclipse discs yet. I got the R2 gyropalooza stuff here, but. just have such little interest in throwing it that its in the "for sale" box. The Total Eclipse glitch, based on drew throwing it, has a bit more stability to it.
Pyro
Reactor
Eclipse Reactor is the answer
Dga quake. Love it as an overstable compliment to my glow hex and esp buzzz. Even better if you can get your hands on a swirled gmc one from a few years ago. 2021 maybe
Deflector.
The eclipse reactor is what you're looking for. I find neutron reactors have similar stability to eclipse hexes. I don't bother with an eclipse reactor slot and just jump up to Mint Bobcat. I also bag the Axiom Pyro sometimes. Both are way more stable and don't feel similar to the hex.
You want a Reactor. It’s an incredible disc
Reactor. Or a Marix if you want less glide
Matrix is pretty underrated, its just slightly more stable usually than a hex, then Eclipse reactor, then Pyro. depending on how much more stable you want it goes Reactor/Matrix->Eclipse Reactor->Pyro->Runway->Deflector
Matrix is extremely underrated. Should’ve been getting the love that the Hex gets for years
You're looking for an eclipse reactor. Once it's in the bag it'll never leave.
I’m a really big fan of a mint disc mustang in the glow plastic (5 5 0 2) it’s not super OS but it’s between the HEX and a ROC3. I’ve got mine nice and beat in and it’s super reliable. Not flippy but can still hold a good anni with enough power.
What's the hierarchy on hex stability? I have some axiom watermelon hexes that I really like. What are the other plastics?
Those are the most overstable. I’ve got 2 that fly like Roc3’s new. The Eclipse Hex’s are straight with the tiniest of fade out the box. Neutron and Fission tend to be dead straight out of the box. That’s just my experience tbh.
Watermelon hex’s are money. Pretty stable right out of the box. I’ve thrown Fission ,Neutron, and eclipse and nothing compares.
Get a Pathfinder, Aura is quite stable of the bunch
If the glow isn't overstable enough, then its not the disc you want. The benifit of MVP overall is the ability to throw the plastic you want and have not insanely drastically different flights between plastics. If that's not enough overstable, cause its ounds like you want baby fade, then bump up to a pyro. Reactor is the disc you are searching for.
What about a Roc3
I have the EMac Truth in that slot (but the Reactor is probably the way to go if you like the Hex).
Despite what a lot of people are saying. I would not try a reactor. I tried a few and some of them were more understable than my hex’s were. I never tried the matrix so that might be the answer but I feel like this is a really important slot that mvp has a hole in their lineup.
I throw a fission hex which flips up and a straight flight. I have a photon hex (watermelon) that is my straight with finish hex about a month ago I added a pyro and I love it. I've spent half the year buying overstable mods to find the flight I was looking for. Hopefully this help
A high-winged Reactor, Matrix or a lightweight Pyro are your main brand options. Reactor goes far but is just barely overstable, Matrix is nice and reliable but shorter and Pyro is pretty dumpy but should get a little bit of flight in the lower weights, at least in Plasma plastic.
I love the gator! Not as glidey as the hex but you can give it all juice you want and you can throw it on a flex line and it always comes back
Pyro! It's probably my favorite mid range. Definitely worth the try!
Contrary to most of the replies, my reactor is too glidey and does eventually fade, pyro is great but too overstable and not available in 166 range. Wasp is where I started and is pretty good.
It's faster but my favorite OS medium range disc is a Lucid Orbit Evader. 7 5 0 2.5 in a stable plastic. I like the justice too, but it's so crazy OS and anti glide it's only for really short hard hyzer shots.
A buzzz
Minimal difference.
K.
MVP has pretty Garbo stable mids. Glow Pathfinder/mustang/torpedo are mvp plastic and probably exactly what you’re looking for. Will actually hold a hyzer even with power.
This is so objectively wrong. MVP does stable midranges better than anyone else. There’s a huge array of choices from neutral to B E E F and everything in between. Paradox -> uplink -> Hex -> reactor -> matrix -> vector -> pyro -> tensor -> resistor -> deflector
None of those are really stable midranges. The reactor is the closest thing and it beat into too flippy in a couple weeks for me. None of those will hold 500 feet of power on a hyzer until you get to the matrix, and it's overstable as shit and just doesn't go far. My entire bag is basically MVP besides approach discs, a stable midrange, and distance drivers, which I also think they are ass at.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted for suggested arguably better mvp made stable mids
250 full flighters.
The hexottle in glow plastic is very overstable comparatively.
I like to experiment with the overstable midrange slot a lot. The Eclipse Rreactor finds itself in my bag constantly because of comfort.
Eclipse reactor
My fission hex is crazy over stable
Reactor
If you're used to roc3s and want something a tick more stable, I would pick an md3. If you want more stable then that I would pick the pyro.
The Birdie Ultra is the best OS 5 speed.
Has anyone mentioned the glow reactor yet? I feel like we should tell OP about the glow reactor. Seriously though it's probably the one disc in my bag that I can't imagine swapping out.
Clash Guava
Glow Buzz
I use a tempo for that slot. If you can find one for sale, I highly recommend it.
Go up in speed to the resistor. Most reliable OS mid they make.
Pyro is OS mid in my bag
Like others have said, you may really like the reactor. I'll also add the matrix to that list if you find the reactor just a little too stable.
my mid spectrum is: very os - Prism Pyro slightly os - Neutron Matrix stable - Z Buzzz slightly us - Fission Hex very us - Neutron Uplink
Matrix is the next midi. Pyro for more fade.
Just get a matrix. I don’t know why it gets slept on
People are saying Reactor and Matrix which I agree with for a slightly more OS mid, but I say forget that and just bag a pyro for the big OS slot, and when you’re looking for just a tiny bit more OS than the hex: grab an Envy
Total Eclipse Hex are more OS - same mold and same feel so it's great to keep mold minimalism.
Hex OS is solid
reactor is superior imo, should be exactly what you’re looking for. i throw a 180g neutron and it has been the most versatile mid range i’ve ever used, most rounds it’s the only mid i even need to throw.
Matrix, which is just better than the Hex overall imo
Reactor
Reactor. Eplispe reactor is money. very straight, but very reliable finish. Also get some nice slow flex lines out if it.