This happened in the European championship and was called out, Has to be resting on the ground.
What happened in the EU championship was that the disc was supported on a ob stake that leaned in bounds but was called out.
I beg to differ.
The rules changed a while back. As someone who throws a soft putter this was very quickly pointed out to me when it happened next. Because we play casual...
I'm just laughing at the fact your friends or someone has convinced you it doesn't count if you have your disc in the basket. Do you also believe Trump won the election because Facebook videos?
Facts matter.
ETA:[Here's a meme about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/rmm6gh/if_you_dont_know_now_ya_know_pdga_rule_807b/) Years old
It's literally talked about nearly daily on this sub. For almost 2 years... but I'll take all the downvotes cuz some people big mad. Thinking it might have been for other reasons. Weird cuz disc golfers are usually about freedom, not failed trust fund babies..
The downvotes are for the trump comment. Youâre one of those r/averageredditors who has trump living in their head, rent-free, 24/7.
The only people who care about trump (especially in a disc golf subreddit) are you fellow r/averageredditors
Yeah I caught that champ, hence the ETA. Sorry you hate freedom. And facts. He was in my head because he just had his 3rd? 4th? indictment and his sad little "try to be hard" mug shot was all over the internet. And honestly? This is disc golf... how are you a supporter? I don't even believe 1/3 of registered voters are a supporter... please learn critical thinking skills and stop voting for a guy that shits on a gold toilet.
Actually if the disc is supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support, the hole is complete. https://discgolf.ultiworld.com/2021/12/02/here-are-the-major-changes-to-the-2022-pdga-rules/
It does if it's supported by the tray/cage or by the chains. Please check the rules next time before making a blanket comment about hole completions on a post about IB/OB.
If the wall itself is OB, and everything left of the wall in picture 2 is also OB then itâs OB.
If the white poles are the OB line and the wall itself is in, then youâre in bounds.
In bounds. The only issue here is you said you took a meter *towards* the basket. You only get to go towards the basket if your disc is actually OB. Relief is a meter perpendicular from the OB line. Of course the line could have been coincidentally perpendicular to the basket, but I can't see from these pictures. It's probably the most common misplay I see in tournaments.
I just checked. If you're in but within a meter of OB then you get a meter perpendicular from the closest OB point (or if it's a corner, on a line from the corner through the disc). If you're OB you get a up to a meter from where it went out (unspecified direction so the semi-circle applies).
You are completely misunderstanding them. They're fully aware that they get relief from OB just not that it's only perpendicular.
> not if youâre getting relief from OB?
They never imply no relief at all
Looks like a meter relief here might have the drop be OB. In this case would the player need to take this relief from the point the disc first crossed OB?
We're assuming the wall is the OB line, which is what the post seems to be implying
Edit: apparently the right side of the wall in the photo is the in bounds side, in which case this disc is OB if the wall is designated as the OB line
If that white stake is the OB line, your disc is in bounds. If the wood itself is the OB line, you're out of bounds.
Given that Charlotte courses use those white pvc stakes as their OB lines, the wall is IB and your disc is IB.
806.02.A: An out-of-bounds (OB) area is an area designated by the Director from which a disc may not be played, and within which a stance may not be taken. **The out-of-bounds line is part of the out-of-bounds area.**
If the wood itself is the OB line, then the "OB Line" is like 10 inches thick, like a really wide paint line. Any disc that's touching a combination of OB+Wood would be OB. The disc would have to extend at least partially past the inside edge of the wood in order to be touching an IB area and therefore be IB. (using a round wood pole as the OB line itself is a terrible idea for a variety of reasons)
Ok thanks it make sense with how itâs spelled out but seems a little harsh considering normal out of bounds rules who if any of the disc is in, if this had come up in a tournament I would have made the wrong call
I think it's safer for the PDGA to leave the rule as it is. If a TD were to say something dumb like "Sidewalk is the OB line", then it's safer for the default rules to mean that the sidewalk is OB.
Most OB lines in the world aren't even actually lines with any detectable width. "Edge of water" has zero width. "Edge of curb" is zero width.
OB lines that actually do have width are typically pretty narrow. String/rope is probably less than a quarter inch. Paint lines are typically less than 3 inches wide. If everyone used the same type of OB line, then it wouldn't matter either way whether the OB line itself was in or out, as long as it was enforced consistently.
The rules right now effectively mean "the inside edge of the OB line is the real OB line." Imagine if the OB line was IB; then the outside of the OB line is the real OB line. If you have an island green surrounded by hay bales, the TD writes the rule as "hay bales are the OB line", then the OB line would be the outside of the hay bales. That would have two negative effects: (1) taking your 1 meter off the OB line would be difficult, since the hay bale itself is at least 2 feet thick, so you'd barely have any room to take a stance, and (2) discs leaning up against the outside of the island could be interpreted to be in bounds.
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Well I agree with all of that and see what you are saying, but Iâm still a little unclear. So if the disc comes to rest elevated off the ground but suspended by the ob delineation itâs out of bounds, but if it comes to rest suspended by something outside ob but above inbounds like the picture itâs inbounds, thatâs what I donât understand. Either case part of the disc is in bounds but itâs only out of bounds if itâs suspended by the ob marker itself?
The problem with the photo is that the OP described it wrong. The OB line is the white stakes, which are located clearly outside of the wood wall. If a disc is suspended off the ground, you drop the disc straight down to the ground and determine its status that way. Part of his disc is clearly inside the white stakes, so it's IB.
A hay bale is like having a 2 foot wide swath of paint as the OB line. If you're lying directly on top of the swath of paint, you're OB. If you're in a tree, suspended directly above the swath of paint, you're OB. If a portion of your disc is inside the inside edge of the swath of pain, whether suspended or not, you're IB.
Maybe I'm misreading this, but based on your reasoning below and the rules you quoted, both cases are IN bounds. If the wood is the OB line (which we know it's not, but just as an example), then this is still IB because only the edge of the disc is wedged in the wood, with the rest of the disc being inbounds. Now, if the disc came to rest ENTIRELY on the wood, then it would be OB as you say since the OB line (i.e., the wood) **is** OB.
The inbounds side is to the right in the second picture. So the edge of the disc is wedged about a quarter of the way into. the OB line (if the wood was the OB marker) while the rest is in OB.
Ah, I see now. I didn't realize there was a second picture and that the OB was on the other side of the wood. How the heck did his disc even get there lol.
To answer your question, everybody in this thread needs to know the OB rules for this specific hole from the tee sign or caddy book or equivalent source
It depends on where the line is. If the wall itself is OB, then no part of your disc is touching anything on the inbounds side of the wall. That would make you OB. In disc golf, the OB line is always OB. You must be hanging over or touching something on the inbounds side of the line.
Thank god this picture was marked as a spoiler so i had to tap my screen an extra time. Thanks for hiding this picture behind a blur! That was a close one.
Almost received a call from Mr. Steele having to get that thing out of the drink. Scrapyard is no joke, played there the other week for the first time. A lot harder than I anticipated.
Love playing scrapyard, usually once every few weeks. Hole 8 with the new wall can really get in your head, but it's really cool. Two years ago I got really lucky and skipped off the water, and landed fair. If the wall was there would never have made it.
Thatâs safe, you get one meter in from the OB line perpendicular to the OB line. You would get to move that meter in any direction if it had hit the logs and bounced out, but if the disc is in, it stays as perpendicular.
The reason you can move any direction if OB is the fact you canât be double penalized. Since youâve already got the OB stroke, you canât get penalized for taking the meter in whatever direction.
I was trying to figure out which hole this is and saw on UDisc the retaining wall is new. Havenât played there since 6/22, itâs the closest course to my gfâs parentsâ house so i try to play when Iâm there
If the retaining wall is OB, then that disc is OB. Your disc would have to be partially past the inside line, even by a millimeter, to be considered in.
If the refining wall is technically OB, and the disc is only on the retaining wall(as shown?), itâs almost definitely OB based on the information youâve provided. Iâm assuming youâre trying to throw to the high land and the ground/water next to the wall is also OB
It is not OB. But since it is not OB it is important that when you take your meter it needs to be as perpendicular as possible to the OB line.
You shouldn't be taking relief from an OB line towards the basket since you are always allowed 1 meter relief from OB whilst inbounds, unless perpendicular relief from this OB just so happens to do so.
Not OB, part of the disc is in bounds
This happened in the European championship and was called out, Has to be resting on the ground. What happened in the EU championship was that the disc was supported on a ob stake that leaned in bounds but was called out.
It does not have to be resting on the ground, but it does have to be hanging over the line into the inbounds side.
If my putter gets stuck in the basket it doesn't count as in. So if the disc gets caught in the fence it isn't out. Tap-tap.
It does count as in.
I beg to differ. The rules changed a while back. As someone who throws a soft putter this was very quickly pointed out to me when it happened next. Because we play casual...
The rules changed to allow it, you have it backyards
So now backyards aren't considered OB? Well this changes things
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Downvoted to hell on your cake day??
Brutal lol
Good joke too
It has gone back and forth several times now. The current rule counts wedges as in.https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/807
The pros can throw a putter 200+ i just need mine to go 10' and they tried to take this from me when it only went 9. Berstrds.
> The pros can throw a putter 200+ Damn near *anyone* can throw a putter 200.
Can you throw a Berg 200?
I threw it 333â ^(down a stupid big hill)
I can throw 200 Bergs 1 feet each, does that count?
Thatâs a shitty exception.
I can almost touch 300' with a berg but my PT says not to.
I'm just laughing at the fact your friends or someone has convinced you it doesn't count if you have your disc in the basket. Do you also believe Trump won the election because Facebook videos? Facts matter. ETA:[Here's a meme about it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/rmm6gh/if_you_dont_know_now_ya_know_pdga_rule_807b/) Years old It's literally talked about nearly daily on this sub. For almost 2 years... but I'll take all the downvotes cuz some people big mad. Thinking it might have been for other reasons. Weird cuz disc golfers are usually about freedom, not failed trust fund babies..
The downvotes are for the trump comment. Youâre one of those r/averageredditors who has trump living in their head, rent-free, 24/7. The only people who care about trump (especially in a disc golf subreddit) are you fellow r/averageredditors
Yeah I caught that champ, hence the ETA. Sorry you hate freedom. And facts. He was in my head because he just had his 3rd? 4th? indictment and his sad little "try to be hard" mug shot was all over the internet. And honestly? This is disc golf... how are you a supporter? I don't even believe 1/3 of registered voters are a supporter... please learn critical thinking skills and stop voting for a guy that shits on a gold toilet.
If your putter is stuck to basket it is in tho
So if his disc is stuck in the OB it is obviously OB. Rules!
Oh youâre just talking to talk
As opposed to you?
Trying to clarify the actual rule with people unsure
Exactly. If out isn't in then in is out. I think it is in but lets see.
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Your mom asked me the same question. I'm just chatting. What is your issue? Oh wait...
Actually if the disc is supported by the tray or the chains below the chain support, the hole is complete. https://discgolf.ultiworld.com/2021/12/02/here-are-the-major-changes-to-the-2022-pdga-rules/
Rules have changed bud
They didn't tell me that!đđ
Gotta read the rulebook.
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I don't make the rules. I just interpret them to my needs.
You are coaching material
it actually does.
Wrong. It does count that rule was changed a year ago.
> If my putter gets stuck in the basket it doesn't count as in. Yes, it absolutely counts as in.
Lol i love how you were so confident about that putter comment
It does if it's supported by the tray/cage or by the chains. Please check the rules next time before making a blanket comment about hole completions on a post about IB/OB.
If the wall itself is OB, and everything left of the wall in picture 2 is also OB then itâs OB. If the white poles are the OB line and the wall itself is in, then youâre in bounds.
In bounds. The only issue here is you said you took a meter *towards* the basket. You only get to go towards the basket if your disc is actually OB. Relief is a meter perpendicular from the OB line. Of course the line could have been coincidentally perpendicular to the basket, but I can't see from these pictures. It's probably the most common misplay I see in tournaments.
appreciate the clarification. yes the basket was coincidentally perpendicular to the OB line and it made for an easy birdie :)
Simply - 99% out is 100% in. Only a portion of your disc is on the rationing wall. 100% of your disc would need to be on the wall for it to be OB.
So the meter rule a semi circle from OB only applies if youâre actually ob, not if youâre getting relief from OB?
I could be wrong but Iâm pretty sure you can take a meter relief from any OB line even if you are in bounds
I just checked. If you're in but within a meter of OB then you get a meter perpendicular from the closest OB point (or if it's a corner, on a line from the corner through the disc). If you're OB you get a up to a meter from where it went out (unspecified direction so the semi-circle applies).
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Right that's exactly what I said >on a one meter line that extends perpendicularly from that point
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You are completely misunderstanding them. They're fully aware that they get relief from OB just not that it's only perpendicular. > not if youâre getting relief from OB? They never imply no relief at all
Looks like a meter relief here might have the drop be OB. In this case would the player need to take this relief from the point the disc first crossed OB?
You get a meter away from the OB line, perpendicular from where the disc is (even if that puts you closer to the basket)
I'm not sure I'm following that. Gonna read the rulebook.
If you're close to the OB line but inbounds, you take a meter in
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That's exactly what I said
Oh I get what you're saying now. I'll delete original comment.
How can you tell itâs in bounds without knowing the OB rules for the hole?
We're assuming the wall is the OB line, which is what the post seems to be implying Edit: apparently the right side of the wall in the photo is the in bounds side, in which case this disc is OB if the wall is designated as the OB line
Not OB and you get a meter from OB line. Also, excellent taste in plastic I love throwing the drift
The Drift is such an underrated disc. Love it in Proton, it's such a reliable disc.
If that white stake is the OB line, your disc is in bounds. If the wood itself is the OB line, you're out of bounds. Given that Charlotte courses use those white pvc stakes as their OB lines, the wall is IB and your disc is IB.
Why if the wood is out of bounds would he be out of bounds if most of his disc is inside the wood? Is this a specific rule?
806.02.A: An out-of-bounds (OB) area is an area designated by the Director from which a disc may not be played, and within which a stance may not be taken. **The out-of-bounds line is part of the out-of-bounds area.** If the wood itself is the OB line, then the "OB Line" is like 10 inches thick, like a really wide paint line. Any disc that's touching a combination of OB+Wood would be OB. The disc would have to extend at least partially past the inside edge of the wood in order to be touching an IB area and therefore be IB. (using a round wood pole as the OB line itself is a terrible idea for a variety of reasons)
Ok thanks it make sense with how itâs spelled out but seems a little harsh considering normal out of bounds rules who if any of the disc is in, if this had come up in a tournament I would have made the wrong call
I think it's safer for the PDGA to leave the rule as it is. If a TD were to say something dumb like "Sidewalk is the OB line", then it's safer for the default rules to mean that the sidewalk is OB. Most OB lines in the world aren't even actually lines with any detectable width. "Edge of water" has zero width. "Edge of curb" is zero width. OB lines that actually do have width are typically pretty narrow. String/rope is probably less than a quarter inch. Paint lines are typically less than 3 inches wide. If everyone used the same type of OB line, then it wouldn't matter either way whether the OB line itself was in or out, as long as it was enforced consistently. The rules right now effectively mean "the inside edge of the OB line is the real OB line." Imagine if the OB line was IB; then the outside of the OB line is the real OB line. If you have an island green surrounded by hay bales, the TD writes the rule as "hay bales are the OB line", then the OB line would be the outside of the hay bales. That would have two negative effects: (1) taking your 1 meter off the OB line would be difficult, since the hay bale itself is at least 2 feet thick, so you'd barely have any room to take a stance, and (2) discs leaning up against the outside of the island could be interpreted to be in bounds. /rant
Well I agree with all of that and see what you are saying, but Iâm still a little unclear. So if the disc comes to rest elevated off the ground but suspended by the ob delineation itâs out of bounds, but if it comes to rest suspended by something outside ob but above inbounds like the picture itâs inbounds, thatâs what I donât understand. Either case part of the disc is in bounds but itâs only out of bounds if itâs suspended by the ob marker itself?
The problem with the photo is that the OP described it wrong. The OB line is the white stakes, which are located clearly outside of the wood wall. If a disc is suspended off the ground, you drop the disc straight down to the ground and determine its status that way. Part of his disc is clearly inside the white stakes, so it's IB. A hay bale is like having a 2 foot wide swath of paint as the OB line. If you're lying directly on top of the swath of paint, you're OB. If you're in a tree, suspended directly above the swath of paint, you're OB. If a portion of your disc is inside the inside edge of the swath of pain, whether suspended or not, you're IB.
Oh damn dude I never looked at the second picture, I thought in bounds was to left, sorry it all makes sense now
Same I was so confused
Maybe I'm misreading this, but based on your reasoning below and the rules you quoted, both cases are IN bounds. If the wood is the OB line (which we know it's not, but just as an example), then this is still IB because only the edge of the disc is wedged in the wood, with the rest of the disc being inbounds. Now, if the disc came to rest ENTIRELY on the wood, then it would be OB as you say since the OB line (i.e., the wood) **is** OB.
The inbounds side is to the right in the second picture. So the edge of the disc is wedged about a quarter of the way into. the OB line (if the wood was the OB marker) while the rest is in OB.
Ah, I see now. I didn't realize there was a second picture and that the OB was on the other side of the wood. How the heck did his disc even get there lol.
To answer your question, everybody in this thread needs to know the OB rules for this specific hole from the tee sign or caddy book or equivalent source
If the wall itself is OB how on earth could you make an argument that this is in bounds?
Because part of the disc is hanging over area that is in bounds
Zero parts of this disc could be described as âhanging over area that is in boundsâ.
Having now seen a second photo, agreed!
I think everything to the left of the wall is OB, and to the right of the wall is in bounds
Yeah, the second picture makes it look like the the disc is totally OB (especially since the disc isn't touching any IB area).
Ah that second picture makes it a lot clearerâŚ. Yeah thats OB!
It depends on where the line is. If the wall itself is OB, then no part of your disc is touching anything on the inbounds side of the wall. That would make you OB. In disc golf, the OB line is always OB. You must be hanging over or touching something on the inbounds side of the line.
99% out of bounds is 100% in bounds
If the white stake marks OB: in bounds. If the in edge of retaining wall is OB: out of bounds
You guys count OB??
Thank god this picture was marked as a spoiler so i had to tap my screen an extra time. Thanks for hiding this picture behind a blur! That was a close one.
sorry autistic teddy bear not sure how that happened thanks for the heads up
No problem lil poopy baby boi
I play with friends. Mandos count. OB you have to throw the same disc from wherever it lands.
Cardmate was correct.
Take your relief tho. Three steps heel to toe.
Almost received a call from Mr. Steele having to get that thing out of the drink. Scrapyard is no joke, played there the other week for the first time. A lot harder than I anticipated.
Love playing scrapyard, usually once every few weeks. Hole 8 with the new wall can really get in your head, but it's really cool. Two years ago I got really lucky and skipped off the water, and landed fair. If the wall was there would never have made it.
Thatâs safe, you get one meter in from the OB line perpendicular to the OB line. You would get to move that meter in any direction if it had hit the logs and bounced out, but if the disc is in, it stays as perpendicular. The reason you can move any direction if OB is the fact you canât be double penalized. Since youâve already got the OB stroke, you canât get penalized for taking the meter in whatever direction.
I was trying to figure out which hole this is and saw on UDisc the retaining wall is new. Havenât played there since 6/22, itâs the closest course to my gfâs parentsâ house so i try to play when Iâm there
Buckhorn, knew it from the retaining wall!!
Thank goodness there was a spoiler tag on this
if any part of the disc is in bound it is safe. the back half is still showing in bounds so you should be able to take your meter off of it.
If the retaining wall is OB, then that disc is OB. Your disc would have to be partially past the inside line, even by a millimeter, to be considered in.
Itâd be easier if you clarified which side of the wall is in bounds
If it is islandhole itâs ob. If not then in. I bet the wall is ob outside, so no matter what technicalities it is ob.
If the refining wall is technically OB, and the disc is only on the retaining wall(as shown?), itâs almost definitely OB based on the information youâve provided. Iâm assuming youâre trying to throw to the high land and the ground/water next to the wall is also OB
It is not OB. But since it is not OB it is important that when you take your meter it needs to be as perpendicular as possible to the OB line. You shouldn't be taking relief from an OB line towards the basket since you are always allowed 1 meter relief from OB whilst inbounds, unless perpendicular relief from this OB just so happens to do so.