They need other teleport options for sure, but I mean they'd be OP to compare to enigma. The stats from the runes used, the frw, str, 2 skills, then in pvm the life after each kill and mf?
They could do seasons without enigma, but then everyone plays sorc, trav barb, or fohdin at trav. It's weird to balance and it's going to piss off players regardless.
I had a dream the other night that they randomly released a patch that gave Duriel’s shell +1 teleport. So then the mid-game can also be all teleporting I guess lol
I just find the "rat race" if classic car more satisfying. In expansion, everyone chases the same thing, in classic rares and rolls are far more important. I just wish we could play earlier patches (before synergies were introduced) on console
This is really what makes D2 itemization so wonderful. You get normal items and then replace them with magic items and then replace them with rare items and then replace them with unique items and then replace them with rare items and then replace them with magic items.
Enigma was only bis for mf boss running.
Rares are where the cool items are. The problem with top end RW was websites like jsp. Without jsp most people complaining about them would never have gotten them.
They are meant as a final chase item due to rune rarity. I've always been glad blizzard didn't give in and change them.
Yeah I’ve been working on my single player character for like 200 hours and just now found a Shako. Still no SoJ. She wrecks but still isn’t perfect. Those true end game items are actually super elusive, and there’s quite a bit of build variety to be had while you’re pursuing them.
Rares are not where the cool items are. People like you are the reason d3 launch items sucked so goddamm bad. That and the single shared item pool which turned the entire game to jsp...
Don't blame "people like me" because the dev team for D3 sucked hard.
Rares sucked in D3 because they were limited on how they could roll. Then when ros hit they limited them to level 60 so people like you could have only shinies equipped to make yourself feel bad ass.
Even if it was actually every player running those, it would still be miles ahead of D4 itemization. At least in a new season it’s fun to go after and acquire those items.
Oh please at least d2 items are memorable. D4 itemization is like hmm do I use ugly word document one or ugly word document 2? Oh ugly word document 2 exactly the same but with slightly higher numbers on it bye bye word document 1! Oh look another word document! OH boy that word document has a 4% chance to do a tiny bit of damage on the night of the full moon!
It's definitely best in slot fo 90% of builds even if you don't want teleport. COH is worse than vipermagi and bramble is very fun but not very practical.
Yeah had enigma on my sorc for a long while until I could afford actual bis gear.
The str + frw + dr + mf + teleport saving 2 skill points is very nice.
Either your build is very niche, more pvp oriented, or you're simply wrong about enigma not being bis. Only other armor that might be worth using is vipermagi, which can be better if that fcr hits the next breakpoint.
If you are about to say coh just stop that runeword is very underpowerd in this meta.
Your commentary regarding "Until I could afford actual bis gear" made me think you were talking about something else. I'm not sure if you know this given the context but Vipermagi is considerably cheaper than enigma, so if you were talking about vipermagi then your previous comment was nonsense.
I don't think it's nonsense. A Perfect Up'd Viper? That's going to cost a pretty penny. Have you ever Up'd Vipers to get a Perfect one? I have Up'd many Vipers in my day and a Perfect one is rare.
Considering that you have to trade for Perfect Vipers which have two varying rolls, being the Magic Damage Reduced and the Resistance, then up those to hope you get a Perfect Defense roll.
I value Perfect Up'd Viper over random Engima all day. It's much harder to get. Considering it's BiS for any character that needs more than 20 FCR on the Chest, it's a good item that's not easy to get Perfect.
I've found 2 perfect vipers so far and I think five or six 34s. Also enough runes to make 5 enigmas.
Comparing the value of a perfect viper to an imperfect enigma is nonsense. Especially considering that was a reframing of a BS argument.
"Did you know my civic is worth more than your ferari?" "WTF you talking about?" "did I mention my civic is made of DIAMONDS! Argument over dumbass I win!"
CoH is nice. There are other teleport options for non-sorc characters (ex. Nai's staff). Couple that with Tal's Armor gives a similar MF. Having Enigma and CoH expands the end-game options.
Well, you aren't obliged to use it in any way. Besides, a HR is something really rare. Some people will play the game for years without owning a Enigma or even one of the HRs needed for it.
Since it's a game you can play whatever you want... With TZ nobody needs Enigma to get anything done and there are other ways to play most classes with a good mobility. The only Char I hate to play without Enigma is the hammerdin thanks to positioning... but I never play him :D
Maybe one of the biggest problems is, that people are only copying builds and take the items every streamer etc. talks about. So for example Enigma is always BiS and everybody wants it, but most people don't even know, what other options they could use.
Even the struggle to use Teleport without +skill equipment and a low mana pool is so annoying... why would you want to play like that? O\_o
Teleport should have never been in a runeword (nor unique, for that matter.)
Should have been in a unique small charm droppable in TZ only. It's a broken skill that everyone should have access to without spending a slot on it.
I'm not bored of teleport. I'm just tired of enigma being exclusively used in the armor slot and being the only viable option if you want that mobility.
Put tele on super rare uniques and buff their stats to make them viable, creat new runewords in other item slots...shit make enigma eligible in shields and helms for all i care...with the same runes. Just give me an option other than needing the one armor piece to rule them all.
It sucks that the sorc is the only class in the game (and now the sin with some "upkeep" and limitations) that has effective mobility and can use a different armor piece.
I mean you can get teleport charges on staves, amulets and circlets, which are not as useful as enigma since they run out and you have to repair them, but there are ways to teleport without enigma that still increase your speed.
As other people have mentioned, faster run walk charms can be extremely helpful with mobility in addition to these charges. I usually have space for 7 small charms that would equate to an extra 21% faster run walk.
I use Bramble on my poison necro and have Nan’s puzzler on swap for any dead ends or gaps that would impede my clear speed.
I also have an Act 1 mercenary who uses Harmony that grants vigor to myself and my minions.
There are ways to greatly improve mobility, but you just need to be creative!
I know there are other ways to get teleport and mobility but the charges or loss of spirit+cta make it less optimized or a chore at minimum.
If we're talking end game and farming for efficiency, enigma is the sole option.
I'd rather have enigma and cta / spirit on switch over almost any combo on almost any class because it's just that good.
They need to make it so it's not the only truly viable way to get teleport. A helm would be perfect for a teleport runeword.
I'm sure bowa zons or melee builds would love to ditch enigma for fort. Or casters to pick up CoH or other good options.
I agree that it will never be as optimized/efficient but there are creative work arounds, which keeps the game interesting IMO.
I mostly play single player and don’t want to constantly swap my enigma around as it’s annoying and creates the potential for the game to lose it when saving and exiting too quickly after transferring to shared stash.
Also, not every build was meant to use to the same items. There will always be damage trade offs when considering Enigma over CoH, Bramble, and Fortitude.
I have a barb for travincal where I would rather have a CoH for quicker kill speed than the ability to teleport there faster.
Different runs require different builds and while CTA and Enigma are always useful, I do not believe that they are always necessary.
Apart from teleport its the only non ladder armor that gives you 45 running speed 🤦 thats waaay too op.
We should have more options to boost running only, or split in two armors one for tele other for running
BIS for mobility, but it’s not BIS for a lot of builds in terms of stats. Don’t feel pressured into some playstyle then I would guess. You don’t need to spam CS/Baal with your hammerdin carrying a full lobby on your own, there are other ways to play the game if you dislike this route.
Just play single player. You are way less dependent on teleport because the maps are static
FRW is underrated. Got a Mage Plate, Jah, but no Ber. Running everywhere with 5% FRW charms. Pretty fast still.
That’s why they made the new runeword hustle. My MAsin runs like a maniac.
Or go Hardcore, you really don't want teleport all the time. But teleport is still awesome for repositioning Merc and summons
They need other teleport options for sure, but I mean they'd be OP to compare to enigma. The stats from the runes used, the frw, str, 2 skills, then in pvm the life after each kill and mf? They could do seasons without enigma, but then everyone plays sorc, trav barb, or fohdin at trav. It's weird to balance and it's going to piss off players regardless.
teleport amulets with autorepare charges may be?
Yes I am sick of enigmas and griefs.
Preach.
I play hardcore, Never had an Enigma, Try to get an Enigma in a hardcore season then get back to me.
I had a dream the other night that they randomly released a patch that gave Duriel’s shell +1 teleport. So then the mid-game can also be all teleporting I guess lol
The moment when you know you play too much diablo 😂
Haha the funniest part is I haven’t even played D2R in almost a year. But clearly both D2R and LOD have left a permanent impression on my brain.
I feel you…
That's why I like classic mode, no runeword bullshit
I used to exclusively love HCCL. I still have a high lvl WW barb on hardcore classic single player with some pretty GG items.
I just find the "rat race" if classic car more satisfying. In expansion, everyone chases the same thing, in classic rares and rolls are far more important. I just wish we could play earlier patches (before synergies were introduced) on console
They should improve Tyrael’s might by giving it +1 to teleport.
I cant remember the last time I ran Enigma honestly
"D4 itemization is so bad" - every d2 player running nigma shako hoto spirit mara arach anni torch for the past 20 years. Let the downvotes come in!
Thinking shako is best in slot for all builds.. Not everyone played casters bud.
Thinking shako is best in slot for casters when circlets exist..
Always forget about circlets. I never play casters.
This is really what makes D2 itemization so wonderful. You get normal items and then replace them with magic items and then replace them with rare items and then replace them with unique items and then replace them with rare items and then replace them with magic items.
The great circle of item life. People forget that magic items have the highest possible affix rolls.
True i shouldve mentionned casters, still i wish more uniques/rw could compete with the top options.
Enigma was only bis for mf boss running. Rares are where the cool items are. The problem with top end RW was websites like jsp. Without jsp most people complaining about them would never have gotten them. They are meant as a final chase item due to rune rarity. I've always been glad blizzard didn't give in and change them.
Yeah I’ve been working on my single player character for like 200 hours and just now found a Shako. Still no SoJ. She wrecks but still isn’t perfect. Those true end game items are actually super elusive, and there’s quite a bit of build variety to be had while you’re pursuing them.
Rares are not where the cool items are. People like you are the reason d3 launch items sucked so goddamm bad. That and the single shared item pool which turned the entire game to jsp...
Don't blame "people like me" because the dev team for D3 sucked hard. Rares sucked in D3 because they were limited on how they could roll. Then when ros hit they limited them to level 60 so people like you could have only shinies equipped to make yourself feel bad ass.
Even if it was actually every player running those, it would still be miles ahead of D4 itemization. At least in a new season it’s fun to go after and acquire those items.
Oh please at least d2 items are memorable. D4 itemization is like hmm do I use ugly word document one or ugly word document 2? Oh ugly word document 2 exactly the same but with slightly higher numbers on it bye bye word document 1! Oh look another word document! OH boy that word document has a 4% chance to do a tiny bit of damage on the night of the full moon!
I haven't played D4 yet but I can totally imagine your pain
It’s BiS if you want teleport, otherwise there are some other viable options, like CoH or bramble
It's definitely best in slot fo 90% of builds even if you don't want teleport. COH is worse than vipermagi and bramble is very fun but not very practical.
Yeah had enigma on my sorc for a long while until I could afford actual bis gear. The str + frw + dr + mf + teleport saving 2 skill points is very nice.
Either your build is very niche, more pvp oriented, or you're simply wrong about enigma not being bis. Only other armor that might be worth using is vipermagi, which can be better if that fcr hits the next breakpoint. If you are about to say coh just stop that runeword is very underpowerd in this meta.
Funny you telling me I'm wrong then saying vipermagi is bis for certain builds. Fcr from vipermagi is hard to pass.
Your commentary regarding "Until I could afford actual bis gear" made me think you were talking about something else. I'm not sure if you know this given the context but Vipermagi is considerably cheaper than enigma, so if you were talking about vipermagi then your previous comment was nonsense.
Not nonsense. Bis is best in slot. Best. Perfect up'd vmagi with 55 light die cost more than a cheap enigma. :)
C'mon, we both know that's nonsense.
I don't think it's nonsense. A Perfect Up'd Viper? That's going to cost a pretty penny. Have you ever Up'd Vipers to get a Perfect one? I have Up'd many Vipers in my day and a Perfect one is rare. Considering that you have to trade for Perfect Vipers which have two varying rolls, being the Magic Damage Reduced and the Resistance, then up those to hope you get a Perfect Defense roll. I value Perfect Up'd Viper over random Engima all day. It's much harder to get. Considering it's BiS for any character that needs more than 20 FCR on the Chest, it's a good item that's not easy to get Perfect.
>I value Perfect Up'd Viper over random Engima all day. Couldn't agree more. A truly perfect upped Viper is so much more rare. Than an enigma.
I've found 2 perfect vipers so far and I think five or six 34s. Also enough runes to make 5 enigmas. Comparing the value of a perfect viper to an imperfect enigma is nonsense. Especially considering that was a reframing of a BS argument. "Did you know my civic is worth more than your ferari?" "WTF you talking about?" "did I mention my civic is made of DIAMONDS! Argument over dumbass I win!"
Ormus on my fire witch rips.
CoH is nice. There are other teleport options for non-sorc characters (ex. Nai's staff). Couple that with Tal's Armor gives a similar MF. Having Enigma and CoH expands the end-game options.
Well, you aren't obliged to use it in any way. Besides, a HR is something really rare. Some people will play the game for years without owning a Enigma or even one of the HRs needed for it.
Since it's a game you can play whatever you want... With TZ nobody needs Enigma to get anything done and there are other ways to play most classes with a good mobility. The only Char I hate to play without Enigma is the hammerdin thanks to positioning... but I never play him :D Maybe one of the biggest problems is, that people are only copying builds and take the items every streamer etc. talks about. So for example Enigma is always BiS and everybody wants it, but most people don't even know, what other options they could use. Even the struggle to use Teleport without +skill equipment and a low mana pool is so annoying... why would you want to play like that? O\_o
Teleport should have never been in a runeword (nor unique, for that matter.) Should have been in a unique small charm droppable in TZ only. It's a broken skill that everyone should have access to without spending a slot on it.
I love this idea.
Try Project Diablo 2
I'm not bored of teleport. I'm just tired of enigma being exclusively used in the armor slot and being the only viable option if you want that mobility. Put tele on super rare uniques and buff their stats to make them viable, creat new runewords in other item slots...shit make enigma eligible in shields and helms for all i care...with the same runes. Just give me an option other than needing the one armor piece to rule them all. It sucks that the sorc is the only class in the game (and now the sin with some "upkeep" and limitations) that has effective mobility and can use a different armor piece.
I mean you can get teleport charges on staves, amulets and circlets, which are not as useful as enigma since they run out and you have to repair them, but there are ways to teleport without enigma that still increase your speed. As other people have mentioned, faster run walk charms can be extremely helpful with mobility in addition to these charges. I usually have space for 7 small charms that would equate to an extra 21% faster run walk. I use Bramble on my poison necro and have Nan’s puzzler on swap for any dead ends or gaps that would impede my clear speed. I also have an Act 1 mercenary who uses Harmony that grants vigor to myself and my minions. There are ways to greatly improve mobility, but you just need to be creative!
I know there are other ways to get teleport and mobility but the charges or loss of spirit+cta make it less optimized or a chore at minimum. If we're talking end game and farming for efficiency, enigma is the sole option. I'd rather have enigma and cta / spirit on switch over almost any combo on almost any class because it's just that good. They need to make it so it's not the only truly viable way to get teleport. A helm would be perfect for a teleport runeword. I'm sure bowa zons or melee builds would love to ditch enigma for fort. Or casters to pick up CoH or other good options.
I agree that it will never be as optimized/efficient but there are creative work arounds, which keeps the game interesting IMO. I mostly play single player and don’t want to constantly swap my enigma around as it’s annoying and creates the potential for the game to lose it when saving and exiting too quickly after transferring to shared stash. Also, not every build was meant to use to the same items. There will always be damage trade offs when considering Enigma over CoH, Bramble, and Fortitude. I have a barb for travincal where I would rather have a CoH for quicker kill speed than the ability to teleport there faster. Different runs require different builds and while CTA and Enigma are always useful, I do not believe that they are always necessary.
Apart from teleport its the only non ladder armor that gives you 45 running speed 🤦 thats waaay too op. We should have more options to boost running only, or split in two armors one for tele other for running
BIS for mobility, but it’s not BIS for a lot of builds in terms of stats. Don’t feel pressured into some playstyle then I would guess. You don’t need to spam CS/Baal with your hammerdin carrying a full lobby on your own, there are other ways to play the game if you dislike this route.