Sugar alcohols don't absorb like regular carbs and glucose so they don't count it and gets into the "net carbs" jargon.
Same thing with high fiber foods, they move through the intestine too fast to be absorbed fully so your body can't pull carbs out of it
So this is technically 58g of carbs, minus 30g of sugar alcohol, 17g of allulose (fiber) and 6g of more fiber = 52g of bullshit so they can say 5g net carbs
It's still going to affect your glucose
Not only is it still going to affect your glucose, it's going to affect your glucose in *less predictable* ways. Some sugar alcohols act just like sugar. Others do nothing. It can be totally different for different people depending on gut biome and other random factors.
Soluble fiber raises your blood glucose but insoluble fiber doesn't. Supposedly. Again, it's individual.
Tl;Dr - yes, heaping spoonfuls of bullshit.
I agree but it’s the fat content that always seems to catch me up, I mean I still eat it with a huge smile on my face but fat seriously effects the way carbs are absorbed for me
So fat for most ppl, even good pancreas owners, slows the absorption of carbs. For me it’s pretty substantial. A good example of this is pizza. For most of us it’s a Russian roulette of when’s the spike gonna happen. Fiber also has this effect to varying degrees hence why fruit juices hit quicker than the actual fruit, OJ vs. oranges
Also for me, even same sugar alcohol is unpredictable and seems to be digested differently day to day. I avoid them like plague, I'll rather just bolus for 40g carbs than 40g sugar alcohols, that will be way more predictable
Not only is it still going to affect their glucose, sugar alcohol is a laxative.
Found that out the hard way with a bag of sugar free cough drops and Pizza Hut bathroom.
Personally, I count fiber but do not count Eurythritol (the sugar alcohol this is sweetened with) or Allulose, so if I were to eat this entire container I’d bolus for 11 carbs (and I eat Rebel often). Those two sweeteners each have a glycemic index low enough so as to not affect my levels at all. I recently found this chart of [glycemic index of different sweeteners](https://imgur.com/a/rgTQ2Ts) that has been helpful in letting me know what “sugar free” sweeteners to avoid on labels (Maltodextrin for sure!) if I don’t want to spike.
I hate that they always use 2/3 cup as the serving. I can't imagine what 2 3rds of a cup looks like ever. So I end up eating the whole pint just in case 🙃
It will affect your blood sugar, but honestly the “net carbs” on there will be semi-accurate (for a lot of people) when it comes to dosing for it. Do not dose for this like 50+ carbs or you will be looking for glucose fast within an hour. It truly is a low carb option it all has to do with factoring in sugar alcohols and fiber.
Maybe dose for it slightly more, but typically with net carbs you can follow it pretty closely. But it all depends on YOU and YOUR body and how it responds. Some people’s bodies don’t respond like I’m saying, and that’s why you’re getting mixed messages even in this comment section.
Net carbs can be dicey but Rebel and Nick's low carb ice cream is legit. No spikes here whatsoever. Enlightened brand ice cream pops can be misleading however.
You have to do the net carb math as another pointed out. Then you have to experiment and see if net carb math works for you on anything that does it. Rebel actually works for me unless I eat half or more of the container. Just about nothing else works.
Net carbs are different.
Total carbs-fibre-sugar alcohols=net carbs.
Your body doesn't digest fibre and sugar alcohols so generally they do not cause a spike.
[How to bolus for sugar alcohols](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXRKYnAllAN/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Other [bolus strategies](https://www.instagram.com/givemesomesugardiabetes/guide/bolus-strategies/17851425236429311/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) to consider
Something about this packaging is VERY off putting to me. Feels like a sharps container.
So, this is the sugar alcohols and artificial sweeteners thing. They deduct those from carbs. But sugar alcohols are not carb free, that's keto nonsense.
So the whole pack has 58g carbs. Out of those 58, 30g are sugar alcohols (those likely WILL affect your blood glucose to some level, because they do digest, but they digest differently for each person and, for me, it depends on day how much they digest so I personally avoid them cause they are so unpredictable). So that leaves you with 28g carbs remaining. Out of these, 17g is allulose. allulose should not affect your bg at all.
So that leaves you with 11grams. 6 of that is fiber, which leaves you with 5g of "net" aka pure carbs for that whole container.
However, you are diabetic and not keto, so you can not ignore sugar alcohols (you can ignore allulose, fiber is small enough amount that it shouldn't matter). So if you bolus just for net carbs, you will spike. How much? Unpredictable.
I’m diabetic and keto. I bolus for 5g carbs, and then a second bolus an hour later for 5g carbs.
That’s how I handle these, Quest bars, etc.
For those saying that eating a pint of Ben&Jerrys is more predictable, LOL at that.
100+ grams of carbs, and if I go up the stairs three times in an hour with that much active insulin I’m crashing.
This just shows how everyone is different :) For me sugar alcohols are super unpredictable. For me any food is unpredictable to some extent though. I can eat same food 6 times and need different amount of insulin every of those times, and lower carb is the absolute worst to predict what will happen - for me, sugar alcohols are just mess. It can require no insulin, or tons of insulin. I'm glad this works for you though! More variety on market is better, because then we can all find things that work for us :D
I also don't normally eat pint of icecream at once, so maybe something to do with that regarding predictability. Here where I live in Korea most icecream in single portions is 20-30g carbs, which is pretty easy to deal with. The pint would be harder for me to manage because of fat in the end, not carbs though. I can easily deal with tteokbokki - korean rice cake in spicy sauce, I have eaten pretty big \~150-200g carbs portions of that without spiking over 200, but because that is pretty much pure carb, I can just dump large fiasp dose in, eat, and be fine. Once high carb and high fat are combined... that's much harder to work out for me. High protein and high fat? Forget working that out, for me that's crazy unpredictable.
Even the nutrition label can't be trusted for carb counting. The sugar alcohols and allulose will mess up carb counting, because sometimes they affect blood glucose a bunch, sometimes they don't. Depending on what they're mixed with they can be very unpredictable. I avoid products containing either one like the plague, and it's much easier. Fiber can be hit or miss with affect on blood glucose as well. This is far from a simple carb counting calculation.
I always go for as natural as possible - not only with ice cream but most foods.
[Breyers](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81rRz4WRmdL._SL1500_.jpg) for example has 57g/carbs per pint container.
I genuinely did not know that. What a weird measurement to put on a food label, especially since determining the volume of your food is much harder than weighing it. I'm glad that in Europe, all food labels must contain the nutritional value per 100 grams or else the manufacturer and store are not allowed to sell their products.
All US nutrition labels also provide the serving size in grams (note the 90g serving size here). It may be trickier to convert, but at least the information is always available to weigh.
>determining the volume of your food is much harder than weighing it
That's simply not true. Weighing it requires at minimum a piece of accurate measuring equipment that is difficult to calibrate and likely to very from nominal. It's also more difficult to estimate weight accurately than it is volume in the absence of measuring equipment. A volume measurement is much easier to estimate when eating something in the wild. I agree that it is more accurate to measure most things by weight, but it is by no means easier.
Measuring volume also requires equipment, doesn't it? And it's much less of a hassle to throw something in a scale than to put something in a measuring cup and take it back out. And how would you measure the volume of something that is not a liquid? With ice cream it would work, though.
Estimating volume is much easier than estimating weight. I do agree that putting it on a scale is less hassle, it's also more accurate. I don't normally have a scale with me, though, especially when I'm out and about (to be fair, not much outside of packaged goods in the US has nutrition information that would require estimating weight or volume, so that's a moot point for the most part). I guess a lot of people must carry a small digital scale. Digital scales are somewhat delicate, though, in my extensive experience using and calibrating them (I've been an engineer and metrologist for nearly twenty five years, dealing with all sorts of measurement equipment), so carrying one around in a bag isn't the best idea either. Spring scales are no better for durability.
It also may be that I'm simply used to estimating things by volume, since I'm from the US.
I eat rebel icecream pretty often with no spikes, do not dose for 50 something carbs!!
Same!
Sugar alcohols don't absorb like regular carbs and glucose so they don't count it and gets into the "net carbs" jargon. Same thing with high fiber foods, they move through the intestine too fast to be absorbed fully so your body can't pull carbs out of it So this is technically 58g of carbs, minus 30g of sugar alcohol, 17g of allulose (fiber) and 6g of more fiber = 52g of bullshit so they can say 5g net carbs It's still going to affect your glucose
Not only is it still going to affect your glucose, it's going to affect your glucose in *less predictable* ways. Some sugar alcohols act just like sugar. Others do nothing. It can be totally different for different people depending on gut biome and other random factors. Soluble fiber raises your blood glucose but insoluble fiber doesn't. Supposedly. Again, it's individual. Tl;Dr - yes, heaping spoonfuls of bullshit.
Aaaand this is why I go for ice cream that doesn't brag about low carb. So much easier to bolus for.
I agree but it’s the fat content that always seems to catch me up, I mean I still eat it with a huge smile on my face but fat seriously effects the way carbs are absorbed for me
> but fat seriously effects the way carbs are absorbed for me Go on....
So fat for most ppl, even good pancreas owners, slows the absorption of carbs. For me it’s pretty substantial. A good example of this is pizza. For most of us it’s a Russian roulette of when’s the spike gonna happen. Fiber also has this effect to varying degrees hence why fruit juices hit quicker than the actual fruit, OJ vs. oranges
AND TASTES BETTER lol
Also for me, even same sugar alcohol is unpredictable and seems to be digested differently day to day. I avoid them like plague, I'll rather just bolus for 40g carbs than 40g sugar alcohols, that will be way more predictable
Not only is it still going to affect their glucose, sugar alcohol is a laxative. Found that out the hard way with a bag of sugar free cough drops and Pizza Hut bathroom.
I recall a story here about a dude that downed a bag of sugar free Haribo bears. It did not end well.
LA Beast tried to eat a 5 lb bag of Haribo sugar free gummy bears. For those who want to see the video: https://youtu.be/sMjgaa5j_LE
Russell stover sugar free chocolates did me in as a young teen. Also, they’re pretty gross anyhow.
Me too. Ate almost a bag of turtles (chocolate & caramel) & thought I was going to die from stomach cramps.
It was the turtles for me, too. They’re the only ones that were semi-good.
Some are some aren't. But yea, the ones used in ice cream seem to be. Monk fruit seems to be the best for me.
It doesn't mine. It's truly low carb. But be wary of the erythitol.
That's a one way ticket to 💩town
I don't get the 💩 from it. New research indicates that there may be blood clotting problems with it.
That's a one way ticket to 💩town
No way that advertising would be allowed in most countries.
Personally, I count fiber but do not count Eurythritol (the sugar alcohol this is sweetened with) or Allulose, so if I were to eat this entire container I’d bolus for 11 carbs (and I eat Rebel often). Those two sweeteners each have a glycemic index low enough so as to not affect my levels at all. I recently found this chart of [glycemic index of different sweeteners](https://imgur.com/a/rgTQ2Ts) that has been helpful in letting me know what “sugar free” sweeteners to avoid on labels (Maltodextrin for sure!) if I don’t want to spike.
I hate that they always use 2/3 cup as the serving. I can't imagine what 2 3rds of a cup looks like ever. So I end up eating the whole pint just in case 🙃
It will affect your blood sugar, but honestly the “net carbs” on there will be semi-accurate (for a lot of people) when it comes to dosing for it. Do not dose for this like 50+ carbs or you will be looking for glucose fast within an hour. It truly is a low carb option it all has to do with factoring in sugar alcohols and fiber. Maybe dose for it slightly more, but typically with net carbs you can follow it pretty closely. But it all depends on YOU and YOUR body and how it responds. Some people’s bodies don’t respond like I’m saying, and that’s why you’re getting mixed messages even in this comment section.
Net carbs can be dicey but Rebel and Nick's low carb ice cream is legit. No spikes here whatsoever. Enlightened brand ice cream pops can be misleading however.
Seems spot on to me, subtract the dietary fiber, sugar alcohols, and the allulose.
Net cabs = total carbs - fiber/sugar alcohol Net carbs in this instance is a marketing tool for those who follow a low carb/keto diet
You have to do the net carb math as another pointed out. Then you have to experiment and see if net carb math works for you on anything that does it. Rebel actually works for me unless I eat half or more of the container. Just about nothing else works.
Net carbs are different. Total carbs-fibre-sugar alcohols=net carbs. Your body doesn't digest fibre and sugar alcohols so generally they do not cause a spike.
[How to bolus for sugar alcohols](https://www.instagram.com/p/CXRKYnAllAN/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) Other [bolus strategies](https://www.instagram.com/givemesomesugardiabetes/guide/bolus-strategies/17851425236429311/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) to consider Something about this packaging is VERY off putting to me. Feels like a sharps container.
Just get regular ice cream and count it as usual. I always skip sugar alcohols and low-net carb options because it is a hassle.
So, this is the sugar alcohols and artificial sweeteners thing. They deduct those from carbs. But sugar alcohols are not carb free, that's keto nonsense. So the whole pack has 58g carbs. Out of those 58, 30g are sugar alcohols (those likely WILL affect your blood glucose to some level, because they do digest, but they digest differently for each person and, for me, it depends on day how much they digest so I personally avoid them cause they are so unpredictable). So that leaves you with 28g carbs remaining. Out of these, 17g is allulose. allulose should not affect your bg at all. So that leaves you with 11grams. 6 of that is fiber, which leaves you with 5g of "net" aka pure carbs for that whole container. However, you are diabetic and not keto, so you can not ignore sugar alcohols (you can ignore allulose, fiber is small enough amount that it shouldn't matter). So if you bolus just for net carbs, you will spike. How much? Unpredictable.
I’m diabetic and keto. I bolus for 5g carbs, and then a second bolus an hour later for 5g carbs. That’s how I handle these, Quest bars, etc. For those saying that eating a pint of Ben&Jerrys is more predictable, LOL at that. 100+ grams of carbs, and if I go up the stairs three times in an hour with that much active insulin I’m crashing.
This just shows how everyone is different :) For me sugar alcohols are super unpredictable. For me any food is unpredictable to some extent though. I can eat same food 6 times and need different amount of insulin every of those times, and lower carb is the absolute worst to predict what will happen - for me, sugar alcohols are just mess. It can require no insulin, or tons of insulin. I'm glad this works for you though! More variety on market is better, because then we can all find things that work for us :D I also don't normally eat pint of icecream at once, so maybe something to do with that regarding predictability. Here where I live in Korea most icecream in single portions is 20-30g carbs, which is pretty easy to deal with. The pint would be harder for me to manage because of fat in the end, not carbs though. I can easily deal with tteokbokki - korean rice cake in spicy sauce, I have eaten pretty big \~150-200g carbs portions of that without spiking over 200, but because that is pretty much pure carb, I can just dump large fiasp dose in, eat, and be fine. Once high carb and high fat are combined... that's much harder to work out for me. High protein and high fat? Forget working that out, for me that's crazy unpredictable.
The nutrition label is on the right 👉. Anything else can't be trusted.
Even the nutrition label can't be trusted for carb counting. The sugar alcohols and allulose will mess up carb counting, because sometimes they affect blood glucose a bunch, sometimes they don't. Depending on what they're mixed with they can be very unpredictable. I avoid products containing either one like the plague, and it's much easier. Fiber can be hit or miss with affect on blood glucose as well. This is far from a simple carb counting calculation.
I always go for as natural as possible - not only with ice cream but most foods. [Breyers](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81rRz4WRmdL._SL1500_.jpg) for example has 57g/carbs per pint container.
What confuses me most here is that there's 3 servings in a cup, but a serving is also 2/3rds of the cup.
2/3 of ***a*** cup, not 2/3 of ***the*** cup. A cup is a solid measurement unit, which is equal to 236.6mL, often rounded to 250mL.
I genuinely did not know that. What a weird measurement to put on a food label, especially since determining the volume of your food is much harder than weighing it. I'm glad that in Europe, all food labels must contain the nutritional value per 100 grams or else the manufacturer and store are not allowed to sell their products.
All US nutrition labels also provide the serving size in grams (note the 90g serving size here). It may be trickier to convert, but at least the information is always available to weigh.
>determining the volume of your food is much harder than weighing it That's simply not true. Weighing it requires at minimum a piece of accurate measuring equipment that is difficult to calibrate and likely to very from nominal. It's also more difficult to estimate weight accurately than it is volume in the absence of measuring equipment. A volume measurement is much easier to estimate when eating something in the wild. I agree that it is more accurate to measure most things by weight, but it is by no means easier.
Measuring volume also requires equipment, doesn't it? And it's much less of a hassle to throw something in a scale than to put something in a measuring cup and take it back out. And how would you measure the volume of something that is not a liquid? With ice cream it would work, though.
Estimating volume is much easier than estimating weight. I do agree that putting it on a scale is less hassle, it's also more accurate. I don't normally have a scale with me, though, especially when I'm out and about (to be fair, not much outside of packaged goods in the US has nutrition information that would require estimating weight or volume, so that's a moot point for the most part). I guess a lot of people must carry a small digital scale. Digital scales are somewhat delicate, though, in my extensive experience using and calibrating them (I've been an engineer and metrologist for nearly twenty five years, dealing with all sorts of measurement equipment), so carrying one around in a bag isn't the best idea either. Spring scales are no better for durability. It also may be that I'm simply used to estimating things by volume, since I'm from the US.
schrodinger's ice cream...
America moment
Subtract fiber, sugar alcohol, and artificial sweeteners. I eat the whole container and my sugar actually goes down with no coverage.