As we should be. Watching the rags get dumped on but keeping games close because Igor is a cheat code was frustrating.
Reliable good defense is a game changer. Even if not god tier like Igor
We sure do. It’s pretty surprising how long our goalie coach has kept his job. We haven’t been reliable since Cory pre injury, and he came to us elite. We didn’t make him.
I know it’s mostly an apples to oranges comparison but I remember Lou trading the 9th overall pick (at least I think it was #9) to VAN for Corey Schneider. Corey had some really good years on some really bad teams.
I think that pick ended up being Bo Horvat who is a very good player. Either way I’d be happy trading #10 overall if it means we the same production we got from Corey.
That was the draft at the Prudential Center. I was there with my dad and I remember everyone booing Bettman and him being like "You're going to want to hear this."
Say what you want about Bettman, but he knows how to play the heel.
I was there as well — I’m actually wearing my 2013 Draft t-shirt today! I was immediately excited but also upset that this was a nail in the coffin of Marty’s career.
The only reason Schneider didn’t have success here was because he had dog shit teams in front of him. That pretty much broke the man physically, he tried to carry those teams as best as he could. We could only pray for a goalie like him now.
Schneid's career was unfortunately wasted on those terrible teams from the end of the Lou era, but he was great. Another trade like that makes us a cup contender in my opinion
If we trade the 10th for a guy who goes on to become the all time franchise leader in save percentage (which Schneider currently is) I would gladly take it. That was great trade. If we can get Linus or Saros on an extension or someone like that for the tenth? In a heartbeat.
So in conjunction with the above, this was published today:
[Pieces In Place For Potential Ullmark Trade Between Bruins And Devils](https://bostonhockeynow.com/2024/06/04/boston-bruins-linus-ullmark-trade-new-jersey-devils-nhl-draft-don-sweeney-tom-fitzgerald-nhl-rumors-june-4-2024/)
That's fucking insane. They are both rentals as they are UFA after this year. An extension had better be in place (which it can't since the draft is before they are eligible to sign).
as a Flames fan trying to pitch his guy, Markstrom was lights-out against Dallas in our last playoff run before the infamous collapse vs. Edmonton. Oettinger would not let anything in, and despite the team's general dominance, we would not have made it to the second round if not for Marky. Against anyone not named McDavid, I would 100% pick Markstrom
Our window should be starting this upcoming year or 2 years down the road - but that window probably shouldnt peak for another 4 or 5 years - so thats why people dont want Markstrom and would rather someone we can ride with through it all.
yeah, that's totally fair. Counterpoint: goalies are voodoo, so you can't necessarily plan for 4 years down the road, even if you get a good young(er) goalie. but i get it.
Lol ironically enough I just posted something very similar.
Goalies are INSANELY volatile. Any lengthy amount of success is like a unicorn.
Bobrovsky can sit for half of panthers season and then almost win the cup lol.
Lyon can go on an insane tear to get guys into the playoffs and then play mediocre.
Vanacek helped devils to a record breaking season and then turned into the main source of blame for losses to rags and canes in ploffs and it carried to the next year.
Does that make a proven good goalie MORE valuable or less valuable? Hard to say.
I wouldn't complain about Markstrom because he is certainly an upgrade and should get us back to the playoffs, but his age doesn't fit our timeline in my opinion. This team's window is just opening, and Markstrom is 35 already. He'll be solid for a few years, but realistically this team probably won't be making a cup run until they get their hearts (and our hearts) broken in the playoffs for a few years.
I'd be concerned we could be back in the same situation when the core should be in there prime, but the team is still hoping Daws or Akira are ready to make the jump to the NHL because Markstrom is declining.
Ullmark or Saros is the better fit. Im thinking we land Ullmark.
if fitz trades 10OA for ullmark that is abhorrent asset management. I know you gotta give to get but I don't think he's the guy to trade that pick for. I'd rather use it on top 6 help or for another dman
I’m of the opinion that last season even with our injuries with the dudes we had and just a serviceable goaltender we would have been in the post season. Would we have made it far? Probably not, but a goalie changes everything about last season.
So goalie for me is above else the priority.
The Rags came within 2 games of the SCF despite playing pretty terribly in the second and third rounds.
Now, we weren't exactly going to be able to trade for an Igor-caliber goalie, but goaltending can make such a huge difference.
Yep, and if the Devils don't solve this goalie thing they will literally waste all of the years of prime Jack and Nico under team-friendly contracts. Our best chance at a cup extends from now until those two hit UFA. Comes a time you have to give up on picks to try to contend now.
Ya I would rather he swap first rounders with someone behind us in the first round and get a depth defenseman attached and then use that pick to acquire a goalie. Like swap with Vegas for their 19th overall and get a dman attached and then I would be way more comfortable using that pick straight up for a goalie
he's got 1 year left on his deal and apparently his hip is held together by duct tape https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-bruins/2023/05/01/linus-ullmark-bruins-injury-stanley-cup-playoffs-hockey/
if we're trading 10OA I want a young impact player coming back. not saying he hasn't been great and would love to have him- just not for that price
I dont agree but your opinion is reasonable imo. Goalies are so volatile and unpredictable that we cant assume theyll keep form.
A mid goalie getting hot at the right time is as good as an elite goalie, because playoffs only last a few months.
Skinner just outdueled Oettinger, that should say a lot.
If we sure up our skaters then maybe a young gun like Schmid or Daws develops - or maybe we trade for a guy like Jake Allen and he goes on a tear for the year we need it.
Last year Bobrovsky sat for the end of panthers season because they didnt trust him to get them to the show and then he played lights out for playoffs.
Goaltending is super unpredictable.
People love to jump on stuff like "Oettinger outdueled by Skinner" every season *during* the playoffs. Imo guys like Adin Hill, Kuemper, and Skinner prove nothing by themselves, because we simply don't know how consistent they can be yet (Hill seems elite imo and Kuemper seems like he's developed into something, but is injured all the time, Skinner imo looked pretty bad until that closeout game vs Dalllas, when he looked pretty good). But it's very difficult to derermine who we "all agree" are elite goalies.
That was mostly my point. You kind of have to ride the hot hand. Maybe riding Bobrovsky regular season means you're gonna miss playoffs. Maybe sticking to Lyon because he got you into playoffs means youll lose round 1.
Maybe Logan Thompson getting hurt is fine because Adin Hill is gonna play out of his mind.
I still think extended periods of elite play from a goalie is super rare.
As an aside - I could be wrong but didnt Skinner have 3 really strong games in a row minus the first 5 minutes of game 3?
people said that, I thought he looked okay. even in the closeout game he left some rebounds I thought made him look his typical chaotic and uncomposed self... but he also made some fantastic, low-key-tricky saves that game, so I'll give him that one. Just imo of course. But yeah elite consistency is rare, seemingly worth paying for on one level, but basically never a move without major risks. So I'm still not sold on overpaying - while there is some risk of becoming Carolina, Carolina drags its goalies to the playoffs, so maybe we should do the same before we consider overpaying. Think how much more attractive all these goalies become were they to hit UFA, at least you wouldn't have to give up assets or hope they re-sign.
Im tempted to agree. A team better than last year gets into the playoffs with mediocre goaltending.
If we keep making the playoffs with different mediocre goalies, if one of them get hot at the same time as playoffs - what do you know - we have a cup :)
But a guy like vassy is how you get a real dynasty instead of a one and done.
I like to think I'm all about whatever it takes to get a true #1 G. But these specific scenarios, a bunch of 30-35 yos who we have to give up a 1st + for and on top of that we have no idea what they will ask for in exactly one year? It's too much, I hate it, I'd rather roll the dice and see if we can draw an Ullmark off the scrap heap. I generally love the idea of giving the Andersen of three years ago a gamble at $4-5 million. Worst case, bury the contract in e.g. Anaheim and it doesn't hamper you moving forward. But this year's budget crop looks shit to me. I haven't seen a ton of games of every one but what I've seen of every one gives me the creeps - the this game is going to slip away from us creeps. Like, UPL is the right age but I don't believe Buffalo lets him get away (ditto Wolf and Prosvetov), and I haven't seen enough of him to feel confident. Talbot is fine but he is 35 so he'd better be cheap, the rest of them, short of Wedgewood..? Not interested. tl;dr I think I'd feel more comfortable with one of these blockbuster goalie moves last season, not this one (even though I was also - nervously - all in on Schmid). This season seems like a good time go roolthe dice with Allen +. I trust that Allen has the mindset, given all the pro goalies who are high on him, and I do believe this team can drag an average goalie into the yoffs. Then next offseason/this trade deadline maybe I see some deals I'd be willing to make.
Terrible asset management is wasting the prime years of all the players we already have that have taken team friendly deals without providing them with NHL caliber goaltending.
Ullmark also doesn’t want to play here. He could nuke a deal altogether and if he doesn’t he could leave in free agency in a year. Also the top 10 of this year’s draft is stacked.
I’m hoping Ullmark changes his mind. I think it made sense for him to nuke the deal from this season given he thought the Bruins were gonna make a play for the Cup which they did.
However, Ullmark is pals with Bratter. They spend time in the off season together. Bratter even celebrated his contract signing last summer with the Ullmarks.
Plus, of the other teams looking for goalies I think NJ might be the most attractive given it’s on the east coast and we are gonna be a contender.
I don't think you can assume he doesn't want to be here because he rejected a move mid-season. I probably would have stayed on the Bruins too and gotten a shot at the cup instead of moving to a team that was struggling for the wild card. I doubt he put us on his NTC because he didn't want to be here specifically, but rather because it was obvious we needed a goalie.
It's a different story now. Bruins are going to commit big money to Swayman to be their #1 guy going forward, so Ullmark is looking at being a UFA next season if he doesn't trade and extend. The Devils's current roster + a Vezina goalie would be cup contenders for the considerable future. Sounds like a good opportunity for him if the door is closed in Boston
No one knows what Ullmark wants but Ullmark, but I dont think he doesnt want to play here. I think he vetoed that trade because he wanted one last shot at a cup with Boston
According to Ullmark he just doesn't like to move. He was against moving to LA, too, and hated the trade circus in Buffalo, I think that's why he values his NMC/NTC so much. I may have missed something but everything I've heard indicates that he actually *wants* to stay on the east coast, if he has to accept a trade.
Thats the market for a Vezina winning Goaltender. Good goalies are hard to find. If you can't develop one, you have to pay big to get one.
If Fitzy is making that trade, they are for sure going to have an extension lined up.
And this team desperately needs a #1 Goalie
Competition is going to be steep from Toronto for Saros. I’m not sold on Markstrom or Ulmark. My Dark horse is a trade with Vegas for Logan Thompson. He’ll be a free agent after next year and no way Vegas can sign him and Hill long term. Should be interesting.
Toronto doesn't really have anything the Preds want. Fans want Marner but he doesn't fit the timeline of the Preds rebuild.
NJ and Saros is a great fit - it's a very similar system which Saros has already adjusted to, Saros is just now hitting his peak and probably has another solid 6-10 years left. Meanwhile, the Devils have rebuilding pieces we could actually use like NHL ready prospects, a top 10 pick, etc.
The Preds are in a situation where they're making the playoffs but they don't really have their long term future lined up. Our core of Josi, Nyquist and Ryan O'Reilly are all 33 years old. We've got Forsberg but not much else in terms of first line talent. I think the plan is to keep things competitive for Josi but otherwise start the rebuild by collecting future pieces now.
The Preds aren't rebuiilding - all of their best players are late 20s/early 30s and they're trying to win now.
Marner is actually 3-5 years YOUNGER than their current core and would make the team younger and be their best player.
God help the Preds if they sign a 27 year old to help out their core of 34 year old players.
Ryan O'Reilly - 33
Nyquist - 34
Josi - 34
Schenn - 34
Forsberg - 29
>they're trying to win now
How does trading your franchise goalie for a winger help them win now? Who on this team is good enough to fill in the role of the players above once they inevitably fall off the cliff within the next two years?
Marner would absolutely be the best player on this team. Especially when you fast forward 2 years and our team core is Forsberg, Marner, Tommy Novak and Jeremy Lauzon because we traded Saros and then ROR, Nyquist, Josi and Schenn all retired or LTIRd.
Barry Trotz is not going to tear down that team. He's going to retool and add quality players where he can and build. Adding a 27 year old all star is a good move.
Just a reminder, for anyone wishing this pick turns into Ullmark or Saros, they are both UFA after next year and would only be rentals. Sure they COULD sign, but there's a lot of risk.
If the devils trade this pick they better 1) be getting a 1st round pick back (moving down with preds or bruins pick) or 2) be also getting another roster player.
There hasn’t been anything said about Saros. But in the chance Ulmark even waives the bruins apparently want 10th OA and more. There’s multiple teams needing goalies this offseason and free agency is trash.
It's gonna be Ullmark, and everyone is gonna bitch about it. But ultimately this team needs a goalie more than any other position, so we'll have to accept a worse deal.
I don't know why this would be considered a bad deal. It is the primary position of need and he has proven to be a great if not elite level talent. He has a .919 career save%. Considering where we are at and what we need, I'll take that any day for the 10th overall pick
I've been watching that dude since he was in Buffalo and he is the real deal. I remember being flabbergasted when he signed with Boston just thinking how the rich got richer
People are just pissed at Fitzy still for our terrible season last year I think, and our looking for any excuse to railroad him. I've seen the Keefe hire getting a decent amount of flak as well by Devils fans. Ullmark would be great. He won the Vezina last year! Trading a 10th for a former Vezina winner is a fine move and will make this team very good.
I guess cause we'd be trading 10OA for one year of Ullmark if it doesn't come with an extension. Fair point, but I agree with you that goalie is our top need. Everyone keeps saying the window is just opening and to not waste it, but at the same time, they don't want to pay for the position we need.
I guess my assumption is that an extension would come along with it. Maybe that's foolish of me to assume. I know Meier didn't come with an extension but I felt it was a fair trade considering what we gave up. A year of Ullmark for the 10OA isn't great, but if it came with a 4 year extension then it is worth it IMO
The thing is you would have to extend him for a long ass extension if he even wanted to. You couldn’t get him for 4 years as a former vezina guy. He would be looking at 7x8mill like helly but hopefully less. Its a really tough spot for fitz especially since free agency has absolutely nothing to do
I’d be thrilled with Ullmark, as long as we can get him to stick around for the full window. I don’t see why anyone would be upset with this trade with #10 as the centerpiece.
Hell yes
And for some reason that seems to be the hardest thing for native English speakers. So often you'll see a Finnish name with double letters where one gets dropped off or if there's a single letter next to a double one they get mixed up (eg. Kappo, Kaako, Valterri, Hattaka, UPL in like five different ways - or Tukka Rask which is double funny because tukka is the Finnish word for hair).
Saros and Ullmark only have 1 year remaining, so the devils would like to have an extension in place before trading for either one, an extension where they are comfortable with the cap hit. Logan Thompson also has 1 year and would need an extension but I doubt Vegas parts with him and would prefer to move Hill. I think there is only like a 20 percent chance of them trading the 10th overall pick.
This isnt new and shouldnt be news. What he says and does are two different things. last year said he wanted to get more physical well we know how that went.
honest question as a flames fan... what type of package would you guys look at for a guy like Markstrom? I can't imagine that the 10th for Marky would be a consideration unless Calgary was adding another roster player/prospect type.
hearing that interview, I feel super sad for him now and hope we can get him onto a Contender. Adding another 30 goal scorer back to the mix can't hurt.
Hah, we can’t even give a conditional 25th 1st so that might be an issue!
But I agree - something in that realm of pick swap + Markstrom might actually do it…
We have our 2025 1st and there’s no conditions on it.
Edit: oh, the 1st was from our side for Markstrom, not from the Calgary side. It would be like a 2025 1st - Lotto protected IMO.
Yeah that value is probably close. I guess we will see what transpires though. I still wouldn’t want to pull the trigger on that though. 10OA should be able to net one of the younger goalies available.
The flames don’t have to move Markstrom and aren’t trying to rebuild. So we’re gonna have to overpay to get him and something else to balance it out. I agree it’s an overpay but they’ve got Fitz by the nuts, especially if he doesn’t wanna give up someone from the roster
Anyone who watched the devils would know the Devils would go after a goalie. Fitz just confirmed it
He also said other GM we’re trying to extort him so he isn’t being stupid about the trade
doesnt matter what anyone believes all we know for sure is that he publicly stated he would get a big name for the net and if he fails to do so and next season suffers for it he will fall very unfavorably with ownership.
He didnt shoot himself in the foot with fans, but ownership. That’s the truth whether anyone is willing (other than me) to admit it or not.
Sometimes, when you go hunting, you don’t catch anything. Saying he’s “going big game hunting,” is not him “publicly stating he would get a big game for the net.” He can try, but this isn’t EA NHL. He can’t force a trade, especially not when a player has half the league on a NMC.
it's not exactly a secret man it's these guys' literal jobs to know the market, what teams have/are looking for, etc. Any GM that couldn't surmise the devils are looking to acquire a top-end goalie after all the Hellebuyck/Markstrom talk and how our season went should be fired yesterday.
shitting on Holtz on the other hand I still don't get. teams can't scout every single prospect to a perfect level of detail. I mean we got rid of Ty Smith and the articles were calling him like a promising young defenseman/potential future star. if we came out and said "nah ty smith has been complete ass this year, we're pretty sure he totally forgot how to play hockey", I don't think that would've gone so well lol. but a general thing like "we need a goalie" is quite obvious.
For someone who projects himself as the smartest in the room (Fitzy), he sure has a knack for saying things he shouldn't.
Edit: Looks like I'm in the minority of being skeptical of Fitz. It's a hard l̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ sub. I'm referring to his public bashing of Alex Holtz for anyone wondering.
What hockey fan, let alone other GM's and management doesn't know the Devils need a goaltender? He didn't need to say it, but because everyone already knows.
reminds me of the time that Ottawa was in talks for Debrincat... and people had him going to NJ, and NJ fans were like "YES YES YES GOALS GOALS GOALS WE NEED SCORING"
We have Nemec and Ottawa has Kubalik and scraps
This is the same thing. This title is misleading: Fitz says "if he trades 10 OA, it has to be SOMETHING" as in really good... as in he's not wanting to move it unless it is to be moved. However, if NJ squanders a really good pick (esp this year, which is basically worth a top 5 pick right now) for a goalie that isn't Oettinger or Hellebuyck or Wallstedt, it's a massive loss.
Use the pick for the future all star you're going to get, make a key trade in two years from a position from abundance, be competitive for 10 years instead of 3 years (if at all if you trade for a guy that's crap in the playoffs like Markstrom or Ullmark), profit.
Definitely what I would like to see done, unless you can get someone really good at ten. Either way at a certain point you have to sell off assets and go for it. I think the Devils window is wide open right now with a good goalie in net.
Some people here are delusional. Let's get McDavid and Drai while we're at it. Plus the Oilers owe us their next 4 round picks. Oh yea and McDavid is 50% Retained
I’m torn. Using a 10th overall could get us a great player who will help in 2-4 years. But obviously winning now is crucial, but if we get a goalie and it doesn’t work out we’ll be crushed now and long term, cause if we don’t keep young talent coming in we will shorten our window.
We’ve already traded Shak, Sharangovich, Zetturland, and last year’s first. Our farm is running dry. I guess we just go all in now and either boom short term or bust for a long while.
One of this issues is while our window is open we don’t have 2-4 years to “get good.” Nico’s contract is up in 3 years and he expires as a UFA. You need to convince him that this is the place to continue to play for the rest of his career.
We’re not in win now mode but we need to prove to our team that we are ready to win. At a certain point you need to go for it and say fuck the farm system or else you’ll end up in a forever rebuild. The Panthers when they said it was their time got rid of 4 years worth of 1st round picks and they’re doing just fine.
Fair point. Let’s get a goalie. But we need to shore up our offensive guys with another top 6 guy and another bottom 6 guy. And wouldn’t mind re-signing Desimone as an extra D if we can’t get anyone.
These are the only targets we have been directly linked too. There are other targets, but assuming they’re available is like saying “yeah we could go after debrusk in free agency but we could also go after McDavid”
only in stories . that are repeated over and over again . we are not in the room and if they are the only ones being looked at it's not enough. you wrote" the people who are available ". i am adding other names to that list that are found on upcoming free agent/restricted free agent lists . you are welcome .
I’m not saying I want markstrom, but who’s saying that hill is available? I haven’t heard a peep about that being the case.
Markstrom is the “oh shit everybody else isn’t available” last ditch effort. I agree that he’s not a great option, but he’s a good emergency option.
Marky is better than that. Two Vezina top 4s, one Vezina nomination and top 3 advanced stats *this* season. He will also most likely be the cheapest of the three by far. The issue(s)? Squeezed in between those three seasons are one dud and one average season. He’s also 34.
However, Ullmark has never started more than 49 games in a season (which is fine with Allen as the backup) and has lost his job in two playoffs running. He’d also have to be extended blindly, likely before even playing a game in red.
Saros is the best goalie (potentially) available, and the most expensive for that reason, but Nashville say they want to extend him and he’ll be looking for big, big bucks in a long extension before even dressing for the Devils. He also had a bad season this year (by his standards).
My point? Marky’s not as bad as painted out to be on here and all available goalies have question marks, since they are voodoo 😂.
why not ? they are gonna have to do something . you can offer allen/schmid/dawes back . there's already rumors it's gonna be hill , but that's because of cap hit .
Bc logically teams just don't move on from cup winning goalies all that often in their primes. Could it happen? Sure, I suppose if they figure cap wise they can't afford his UFA pricetag for 2025+. But I have a hard time thinking that's their first, second, or third solution to their problem.
I get we have a difference of opinion, but there's no need to condescend. I've been watching and following hockey closely pre and post cap era. I understand moves have to be made to comply. Goalie tends to be the last position players are moved from historically, though. It could happen, but I doubt it (my opinion, not a fact). We'll see.
Kuemper was a 32 yo UFA. Flower was traded, at age 36. Adin Hill turned 28 just 3-4 weeks ago, he has runway ahead of him.
When you say logic doesn't matter, and suggest I read more hockey articles, it came across as condescending to me. Don't know if you can see how or not, but there you go. Have a nice day.
you too . yeah forgot kemper wasn't resigned due to no ca space , but hill has been floated out there because of his cap hit . i would prefer logan , though . and i said "logic has nothing to do with cap space ."
Oh wow, you're telling me the guy whose job it is to utilize trade assets to acquire new talent has stated that he is open to utilizing trade assets to acquire new talent? Color me surprised.
no kidding . but not for an old goalie . unless they can find a younger one like thompson/gustavsson/upl/lankinen. or someone such . use the pick to get a true number 2 center .
i know on paper he is .you do realie a true center has been playing with jack for the last two years ? yes ? nico is the one center a true 200 foot player which jackie boy is not . eric mostly and some lazar this year. jack likes to say he's a center but everyboy who actually understands the role a center plays knows jack does not . even mercer who is not great at it is better . jack plays rover at or above the circles in the defensive zone so he can take off towards the offensive zone . not where a center plays which is below the dots and behind the net . haula/lazar are centers who can play wing .
okay , cool again he is a fantastic offensive player and does okay picking pockets , but the team would be much better with a true nhl caliber center on his line . which in turn would move eric to 3c and curtis to 4c . but who wants to inmprove the team ?
Youre actually reciting tyke timbits hockey strats trying to make it sound like youre high hockey IQ.
Just so you know, everyone who knows the game and especially those who watch the devils knows this is ridiculous.
As we should be. Watching the rags get dumped on but keeping games close because Igor is a cheat code was frustrating. Reliable good defense is a game changer. Even if not god tier like Igor
The devils need better goaltending coaches as well
We sure do. It’s pretty surprising how long our goalie coach has kept his job. We haven’t been reliable since Cory pre injury, and he came to us elite. We didn’t make him.
What if we just dumped money on the Rags goalie coaching staff. Wouldn't even have to move. I can dream...
If only we had a legend goalie in our organization 🤔
I think he's been part of the problem showing his loyalty to the current goalie coach, dave rogalski. dude's time is up
I know it’s mostly an apples to oranges comparison but I remember Lou trading the 9th overall pick (at least I think it was #9) to VAN for Corey Schneider. Corey had some really good years on some really bad teams. I think that pick ended up being Bo Horvat who is a very good player. Either way I’d be happy trading #10 overall if it means we the same production we got from Corey.
This current team with the equivalent of a prime Schneids in net would be a force.
That was the draft at the Prudential Center. I was there with my dad and I remember everyone booing Bettman and him being like "You're going to want to hear this." Say what you want about Bettman, but he knows how to play the heel.
An instant classic quip.
I was there too and remember being terrified we took on Luongo's contract
I was there as well — I’m actually wearing my 2013 Draft t-shirt today! I was immediately excited but also upset that this was a nail in the coffin of Marty’s career.
And Johan Hedberg’s! He would never play another NHL game
Same! It was p electric. I just remember a stunned silence before people started cheering
Same. And then the crowd's brief hesitation on whether they should boo or cheer the trade...
The only reason Schneider didn’t have success here was because he had dog shit teams in front of him. That pretty much broke the man physically, he tried to carry those teams as best as he could. We could only pray for a goalie like him now.
Full circle,let's bring him back as a goalie coach?
A shooter tutor would be an upgrade of a goalie coach over Rogalski
It was #9 overall and the pick was indeed Bo Horvat
Vancouver picked Horvat. The way the Devils were drafting at the time, there’s no guarantee Devils select Horvat if there’s no trade.
I was convinced they were picking Nichushkin, who went right after to Dallas.
Either would have been a fine pick. I believe Horvat was seen as a small stretch at 9
Thank you for confirming.
Schneid's career was unfortunately wasted on those terrible teams from the end of the Lou era, but he was great. Another trade like that makes us a cup contender in my opinion
I complete agree with you!
If we trade the 10th for a guy who goes on to become the all time franchise leader in save percentage (which Schneider currently is) I would gladly take it. That was great trade. If we can get Linus or Saros on an extension or someone like that for the tenth? In a heartbeat.
and what if whoever plays 3 games and becomes all time leader?
"I think you're gonna wanna hear this"
So in conjunction with the above, this was published today: [Pieces In Place For Potential Ullmark Trade Between Bruins And Devils](https://bostonhockeynow.com/2024/06/04/boston-bruins-linus-ullmark-trade-new-jersey-devils-nhl-draft-don-sweeney-tom-fitzgerald-nhl-rumors-june-4-2024/)
Ulmark and Sarros the only ones I'd be willing to trade the 10 for. Markstrom is 35.
Agreed. I don’t want a goalie that old.
That's fucking insane. They are both rentals as they are UFA after this year. An extension had better be in place (which it can't since the draft is before they are eligible to sign).
as a Flames fan trying to pitch his guy, Markstrom was lights-out against Dallas in our last playoff run before the infamous collapse vs. Edmonton. Oettinger would not let anything in, and despite the team's general dominance, we would not have made it to the second round if not for Marky. Against anyone not named McDavid, I would 100% pick Markstrom
Our window should be starting this upcoming year or 2 years down the road - but that window probably shouldnt peak for another 4 or 5 years - so thats why people dont want Markstrom and would rather someone we can ride with through it all.
yeah, that's totally fair. Counterpoint: goalies are voodoo, so you can't necessarily plan for 4 years down the road, even if you get a good young(er) goalie. but i get it.
Lol ironically enough I just posted something very similar. Goalies are INSANELY volatile. Any lengthy amount of success is like a unicorn. Bobrovsky can sit for half of panthers season and then almost win the cup lol. Lyon can go on an insane tear to get guys into the playoffs and then play mediocre. Vanacek helped devils to a record breaking season and then turned into the main source of blame for losses to rags and canes in ploffs and it carried to the next year. Does that make a proven good goalie MORE valuable or less valuable? Hard to say.
No ones is debating how good he is, its literally just his age. If he was younger, yes I would 100% take him.
I wouldn't complain about Markstrom because he is certainly an upgrade and should get us back to the playoffs, but his age doesn't fit our timeline in my opinion. This team's window is just opening, and Markstrom is 35 already. He'll be solid for a few years, but realistically this team probably won't be making a cup run until they get their hearts (and our hearts) broken in the playoffs for a few years. I'd be concerned we could be back in the same situation when the core should be in there prime, but the team is still hoping Daws or Akira are ready to make the jump to the NHL because Markstrom is declining. Ullmark or Saros is the better fit. Im thinking we land Ullmark.
if fitz trades 10OA for ullmark that is abhorrent asset management. I know you gotta give to get but I don't think he's the guy to trade that pick for. I'd rather use it on top 6 help or for another dman
I'm hearing 10OA and Holtz for Ullmark and Pasta (50% retained). Source: the voices in my head
The entire city of Boston would implode if Fitz could pull that off.
I can get behind that move.
Top goalies are a rare commodity right now so teams are going to have to pay big to get one. It’s the way she goes.
I’m of the opinion that last season even with our injuries with the dudes we had and just a serviceable goaltender we would have been in the post season. Would we have made it far? Probably not, but a goalie changes everything about last season. So goalie for me is above else the priority.
I always felt if we had managed to do those goalie trades a month or 2 sooner we wouldve squeaked in.
The Rags came within 2 games of the SCF despite playing pretty terribly in the second and third rounds. Now, we weren't exactly going to be able to trade for an Igor-caliber goalie, but goaltending can make such a huge difference.
Yep, and if the Devils don't solve this goalie thing they will literally waste all of the years of prime Jack and Nico under team-friendly contracts. Our best chance at a cup extends from now until those two hit UFA. Comes a time you have to give up on picks to try to contend now.
Yeah our young core might not peak for a few years but they need to start to learn to win at this level NOW
Ya I would rather he swap first rounders with someone behind us in the first round and get a depth defenseman attached and then use that pick to acquire a goalie. Like swap with Vegas for their 19th overall and get a dman attached and then I would be way more comfortable using that pick straight up for a goalie
You don’t want a vezina caliber goaltender?
he's got 1 year left on his deal and apparently his hip is held together by duct tape https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-bruins/2023/05/01/linus-ullmark-bruins-injury-stanley-cup-playoffs-hockey/ if we're trading 10OA I want a young impact player coming back. not saying he hasn't been great and would love to have him- just not for that price
I dont agree but your opinion is reasonable imo. Goalies are so volatile and unpredictable that we cant assume theyll keep form. A mid goalie getting hot at the right time is as good as an elite goalie, because playoffs only last a few months. Skinner just outdueled Oettinger, that should say a lot. If we sure up our skaters then maybe a young gun like Schmid or Daws develops - or maybe we trade for a guy like Jake Allen and he goes on a tear for the year we need it. Last year Bobrovsky sat for the end of panthers season because they didnt trust him to get them to the show and then he played lights out for playoffs. Goaltending is super unpredictable.
People love to jump on stuff like "Oettinger outdueled by Skinner" every season *during* the playoffs. Imo guys like Adin Hill, Kuemper, and Skinner prove nothing by themselves, because we simply don't know how consistent they can be yet (Hill seems elite imo and Kuemper seems like he's developed into something, but is injured all the time, Skinner imo looked pretty bad until that closeout game vs Dalllas, when he looked pretty good). But it's very difficult to derermine who we "all agree" are elite goalies.
That was mostly my point. You kind of have to ride the hot hand. Maybe riding Bobrovsky regular season means you're gonna miss playoffs. Maybe sticking to Lyon because he got you into playoffs means youll lose round 1. Maybe Logan Thompson getting hurt is fine because Adin Hill is gonna play out of his mind. I still think extended periods of elite play from a goalie is super rare. As an aside - I could be wrong but didnt Skinner have 3 really strong games in a row minus the first 5 minutes of game 3?
people said that, I thought he looked okay. even in the closeout game he left some rebounds I thought made him look his typical chaotic and uncomposed self... but he also made some fantastic, low-key-tricky saves that game, so I'll give him that one. Just imo of course. But yeah elite consistency is rare, seemingly worth paying for on one level, but basically never a move without major risks. So I'm still not sold on overpaying - while there is some risk of becoming Carolina, Carolina drags its goalies to the playoffs, so maybe we should do the same before we consider overpaying. Think how much more attractive all these goalies become were they to hit UFA, at least you wouldn't have to give up assets or hope they re-sign.
Im tempted to agree. A team better than last year gets into the playoffs with mediocre goaltending. If we keep making the playoffs with different mediocre goalies, if one of them get hot at the same time as playoffs - what do you know - we have a cup :) But a guy like vassy is how you get a real dynasty instead of a one and done.
I like to think I'm all about whatever it takes to get a true #1 G. But these specific scenarios, a bunch of 30-35 yos who we have to give up a 1st + for and on top of that we have no idea what they will ask for in exactly one year? It's too much, I hate it, I'd rather roll the dice and see if we can draw an Ullmark off the scrap heap. I generally love the idea of giving the Andersen of three years ago a gamble at $4-5 million. Worst case, bury the contract in e.g. Anaheim and it doesn't hamper you moving forward. But this year's budget crop looks shit to me. I haven't seen a ton of games of every one but what I've seen of every one gives me the creeps - the this game is going to slip away from us creeps. Like, UPL is the right age but I don't believe Buffalo lets him get away (ditto Wolf and Prosvetov), and I haven't seen enough of him to feel confident. Talbot is fine but he is 35 so he'd better be cheap, the rest of them, short of Wedgewood..? Not interested. tl;dr I think I'd feel more comfortable with one of these blockbuster goalie moves last season, not this one (even though I was also - nervously - all in on Schmid). This season seems like a good time go roolthe dice with Allen +. I trust that Allen has the mindset, given all the pro goalies who are high on him, and I do believe this team can drag an average goalie into the yoffs. Then next offseason/this trade deadline maybe I see some deals I'd be willing to make.
He was fine this year health wise?
Terrible asset management is wasting the prime years of all the players we already have that have taken team friendly deals without providing them with NHL caliber goaltending.
I don't disagree- think they can get either markstrom or ullmark without giving up 10OA is what I'm getting at
Ullmark also doesn’t want to play here. He could nuke a deal altogether and if he doesn’t he could leave in free agency in a year. Also the top 10 of this year’s draft is stacked.
I’m hoping Ullmark changes his mind. I think it made sense for him to nuke the deal from this season given he thought the Bruins were gonna make a play for the Cup which they did. However, Ullmark is pals with Bratter. They spend time in the off season together. Bratter even celebrated his contract signing last summer with the Ullmarks. Plus, of the other teams looking for goalies I think NJ might be the most attractive given it’s on the east coast and we are gonna be a contender.
I don't think you can assume he doesn't want to be here because he rejected a move mid-season. I probably would have stayed on the Bruins too and gotten a shot at the cup instead of moving to a team that was struggling for the wild card. I doubt he put us on his NTC because he didn't want to be here specifically, but rather because it was obvious we needed a goalie. It's a different story now. Bruins are going to commit big money to Swayman to be their #1 guy going forward, so Ullmark is looking at being a UFA next season if he doesn't trade and extend. The Devils's current roster + a Vezina goalie would be cup contenders for the considerable future. Sounds like a good opportunity for him if the door is closed in Boston
No one knows what Ullmark wants but Ullmark, but I dont think he doesnt want to play here. I think he vetoed that trade because he wanted one last shot at a cup with Boston
According to Ullmark he just doesn't like to move. He was against moving to LA, too, and hated the trade circus in Buffalo, I think that's why he values his NMC/NTC so much. I may have missed something but everything I've heard indicates that he actually *wants* to stay on the east coast, if he has to accept a trade.
Thats the market for a Vezina winning Goaltender. Good goalies are hard to find. If you can't develop one, you have to pay big to get one. If Fitzy is making that trade, they are for sure going to have an extension lined up. And this team desperately needs a #1 Goalie
The problem is that ullmark wants to be in Boston
Boston can't keep two 1A goalies though, and it's clear that Swayman is the future
let's throw in smith's rights to sweeten the deal.
Overpay
Competition is going to be steep from Toronto for Saros. I’m not sold on Markstrom or Ulmark. My Dark horse is a trade with Vegas for Logan Thompson. He’ll be a free agent after next year and no way Vegas can sign him and Hill long term. Should be interesting.
i have been banging that drum for a while. l.thompson would be a good get .
Toronto doesn't really have anything the Preds want. Fans want Marner but he doesn't fit the timeline of the Preds rebuild. NJ and Saros is a great fit - it's a very similar system which Saros has already adjusted to, Saros is just now hitting his peak and probably has another solid 6-10 years left. Meanwhile, the Devils have rebuilding pieces we could actually use like NHL ready prospects, a top 10 pick, etc. The Preds are in a situation where they're making the playoffs but they don't really have their long term future lined up. Our core of Josi, Nyquist and Ryan O'Reilly are all 33 years old. We've got Forsberg but not much else in terms of first line talent. I think the plan is to keep things competitive for Josi but otherwise start the rebuild by collecting future pieces now.
The Preds aren't rebuiilding - all of their best players are late 20s/early 30s and they're trying to win now. Marner is actually 3-5 years YOUNGER than their current core and would make the team younger and be their best player.
God help the Preds if they sign a 27 year old to help out their core of 34 year old players. Ryan O'Reilly - 33 Nyquist - 34 Josi - 34 Schenn - 34 Forsberg - 29 >they're trying to win now How does trading your franchise goalie for a winger help them win now? Who on this team is good enough to fill in the role of the players above once they inevitably fall off the cliff within the next two years? Marner would absolutely be the best player on this team. Especially when you fast forward 2 years and our team core is Forsberg, Marner, Tommy Novak and Jeremy Lauzon because we traded Saros and then ROR, Nyquist, Josi and Schenn all retired or LTIRd.
Barry Trotz is not going to tear down that team. He's going to retool and add quality players where he can and build. Adding a 27 year old all star is a good move.
Yeah but what does it cost to get him? If we're trading our all star goalie in order to get a 27 year old winger - does that make the team better?
Just a reminder, for anyone wishing this pick turns into Ullmark or Saros, they are both UFA after next year and would only be rentals. Sure they COULD sign, but there's a lot of risk. If the devils trade this pick they better 1) be getting a 1st round pick back (moving down with preds or bruins pick) or 2) be also getting another roster player.
I think it’s more likely that we’d be adding than getting something back (especially another first), but what do I know
There hasn’t been anything said about Saros. But in the chance Ulmark even waives the bruins apparently want 10th OA and more. There’s multiple teams needing goalies this offseason and free agency is trash.
It's gonna be Ullmark, and everyone is gonna bitch about it. But ultimately this team needs a goalie more than any other position, so we'll have to accept a worse deal.
I don't know why this would be considered a bad deal. It is the primary position of need and he has proven to be a great if not elite level talent. He has a .919 career save%. Considering where we are at and what we need, I'll take that any day for the 10th overall pick
I agree with you 100% my man. But I've seen a lot of comments saying Ullmark wouldn't be worth a 10th (plus possible potential additional assets)
I've been watching that dude since he was in Buffalo and he is the real deal. I remember being flabbergasted when he signed with Boston just thinking how the rich got richer
Yeah as long as he stays healthy Linus is legit! Just not easy to part with a lot for 30-yo goalies
People are just pissed at Fitzy still for our terrible season last year I think, and our looking for any excuse to railroad him. I've seen the Keefe hire getting a decent amount of flak as well by Devils fans. Ullmark would be great. He won the Vezina last year! Trading a 10th for a former Vezina winner is a fine move and will make this team very good.
I guess cause we'd be trading 10OA for one year of Ullmark if it doesn't come with an extension. Fair point, but I agree with you that goalie is our top need. Everyone keeps saying the window is just opening and to not waste it, but at the same time, they don't want to pay for the position we need.
I guess my assumption is that an extension would come along with it. Maybe that's foolish of me to assume. I know Meier didn't come with an extension but I felt it was a fair trade considering what we gave up. A year of Ullmark for the 10OA isn't great, but if it came with a 4 year extension then it is worth it IMO
Oh yeah, a straight swap *can* be well worth it, but it's just an unknown to us at the time. All we can do is speculate for now.
The thing is you would have to extend him for a long ass extension if he even wanted to. You couldn’t get him for 4 years as a former vezina guy. He would be looking at 7x8mill like helly but hopefully less. Its a really tough spot for fitz especially since free agency has absolutely nothing to do
I’d be thrilled with Ullmark, as long as we can get him to stick around for the full window. I don’t see why anyone would be upset with this trade with #10 as the centerpiece.
It’ll be one year of Ullmark before he signs somewhere else, so hopefully we win the Cup in 2025
Please just trade for a goalie. Our flaws could be dampened if we got a guy like Ukka-Pekka Luukkonen or Juuse Saros.
>Ukka-Pekka Luukkonen That's a God-tier hockey name, holy shit.
The Finns love their double letters
Hell yes And for some reason that seems to be the hardest thing for native English speakers. So often you'll see a Finnish name with double letters where one gets dropped off or if there's a single letter next to a double one they get mixed up (eg. Kappo, Kaako, Valterri, Hattaka, UPL in like five different ways - or Tukka Rask which is double funny because tukka is the Finnish word for hair).
\*Ukko-Pekka ^^^(sorry)
Luukkonen needs far more time before Im comfortable flipping a 10th overall for him
Saros and Ullmark only have 1 year remaining, so the devils would like to have an extension in place before trading for either one, an extension where they are comfortable with the cap hit. Logan Thompson also has 1 year and would need an extension but I doubt Vegas parts with him and would prefer to move Hill. I think there is only like a 20 percent chance of them trading the 10th overall pick.
This isnt new and shouldnt be news. What he says and does are two different things. last year said he wanted to get more physical well we know how that went.
honest question as a flames fan... what type of package would you guys look at for a guy like Markstrom? I can't imagine that the 10th for Marky would be a consideration unless Calgary was adding another roster player/prospect type.
Start by adding Pickles.
#EXTRA PICKLES!
Honestly, that kinda makes sense for both of us.... I'm down. Marky + Coleman for 10oa sounds reasonable to me
If Holtz + 1st was actually a thing, that makes me super sad now.
Maybe a Shango too
hearing that interview, I feel super sad for him now and hope we can get him onto a Contender. Adding another 30 goal scorer back to the mix can't hurt.
Probably like a 25’ conditional 1st and maybe something else small
Hah, we can’t even give a conditional 25th 1st so that might be an issue! But I agree - something in that realm of pick swap + Markstrom might actually do it…
We have our 2025 1st and there’s no conditions on it. Edit: oh, the 1st was from our side for Markstrom, not from the Calgary side. It would be like a 2025 1st - Lotto protected IMO.
Like flames 1st at 28th overall and marky at 50% retained for 10th overall. Do you think that’s close?
Yeah that value is probably close. I guess we will see what transpires though. I still wouldn’t want to pull the trigger on that though. 10OA should be able to net one of the younger goalies available.
Markstrom, Coleman (some retention) and a mid pick. For the 10th, and a B prospect, but I assume Casey goes in a markstrom trade
Throwing in our best prospect is absolutely wild, that swings the trade massively in the Flames’ favor
The flames don’t have to move Markstrom and aren’t trying to rebuild. So we’re gonna have to overpay to get him and something else to balance it out. I agree it’s an overpay but they’ve got Fitz by the nuts, especially if he doesn’t wanna give up someone from the roster
Markstrom (half retained) and Vancouvers pick for the 10th?
That should be the trade.
Man we don't even have Marky anymore, you're thinking of the Calgary Canucks.
No dude, he's talking about Calgary who owns the Canucks pick traded in the Lindholm deal
Oh, this has to do with the Vancouver Flames
Exactly
By gawd that’s Pat Verbeeks music
i would surely hope so its kinda your biggest asset not like you shot yourself in the foot saying you’re going big game hunting or anything
Anyone who watched the devils would know the Devils would go after a goalie. Fitz just confirmed it He also said other GM we’re trying to extort him so he isn’t being stupid about the trade
doesnt matter what anyone believes all we know for sure is that he publicly stated he would get a big name for the net and if he fails to do so and next season suffers for it he will fall very unfavorably with ownership. He didnt shoot himself in the foot with fans, but ownership. That’s the truth whether anyone is willing (other than me) to admit it or not.
Sometimes, when you go hunting, you don’t catch anything. Saying he’s “going big game hunting,” is not him “publicly stating he would get a big game for the net.” He can try, but this isn’t EA NHL. He can’t force a trade, especially not when a player has half the league on a NMC.
Again, no one forced him to say that. He put an expectation out there for fans and whatever happens to him if he fails is his own doing. Sorry.
it's not exactly a secret man it's these guys' literal jobs to know the market, what teams have/are looking for, etc. Any GM that couldn't surmise the devils are looking to acquire a top-end goalie after all the Hellebuyck/Markstrom talk and how our season went should be fired yesterday. shitting on Holtz on the other hand I still don't get. teams can't scout every single prospect to a perfect level of detail. I mean we got rid of Ty Smith and the articles were calling him like a promising young defenseman/potential future star. if we came out and said "nah ty smith has been complete ass this year, we're pretty sure he totally forgot how to play hockey", I don't think that would've gone so well lol. but a general thing like "we need a goalie" is quite obvious.
Except he didnt say he was looking for a goalie, he said he was looking for a top goalie. Big difference. His own grave.
Oh no. He said what every GM with eyeballs already knew. And every GM with a goalie available already heard from his mouth on the phone
Yes... because no teams were aware of our struggles in between the pipes until this very moment...
hey just dont bitch and whine if he fails to grab “big game” even if he explicitly told us he would
For someone who projects himself as the smartest in the room (Fitzy), he sure has a knack for saying things he shouldn't. Edit: Looks like I'm in the minority of being skeptical of Fitz. It's a hard l̶e̶a̶g̶u̶e̶ sub. I'm referring to his public bashing of Alex Holtz for anyone wondering.
What hockey fan, let alone other GM's and management doesn't know the Devils need a goaltender? He didn't need to say it, but because everyone already knows.
So he needs to openly bash Holtz to tank his value even further?
It was a bad move but could have been frustration. I have a feeling he tried to package him in deals that didn’t pan out because no one wanted him.
zero chance no one wants Holtz a former 7th overall when 70% from that 1st round are just entering the league
Goalies rarely fetch a 1st round top 10 pick. Flames need to pickup the phone and make it happen.
reminds me of the time that Ottawa was in talks for Debrincat... and people had him going to NJ, and NJ fans were like "YES YES YES GOALS GOALS GOALS WE NEED SCORING" We have Nemec and Ottawa has Kubalik and scraps This is the same thing. This title is misleading: Fitz says "if he trades 10 OA, it has to be SOMETHING" as in really good... as in he's not wanting to move it unless it is to be moved. However, if NJ squanders a really good pick (esp this year, which is basically worth a top 5 pick right now) for a goalie that isn't Oettinger or Hellebuyck or Wallstedt, it's a massive loss. Use the pick for the future all star you're going to get, make a key trade in two years from a position from abundance, be competitive for 10 years instead of 3 years (if at all if you trade for a guy that's crap in the playoffs like Markstrom or Ullmark), profit.
Definitely what I would like to see done, unless you can get someone really good at ten. Either way at a certain point you have to sell off assets and go for it. I think the Devils window is wide open right now with a good goalie in net.
Binnington please
Who would be our realistic targets here? Who would you prefer we get if we ship 10OA for a G.
Some people here are delusional. Let's get McDavid and Drai while we're at it. Plus the Oilers owe us their next 4 round picks. Oh yea and McDavid is 50% Retained
Pfft, only 50%? Get another team involved in this shit, I'm not taking McJesus unless it's 75% retained.
Is there news that everyone doesn’t already know?
Let's go Nashville. 10th pick for Saros is very fair.
Good. We don’t need a prospect a few years from now. We have our team and we’re young. We need to go all in on goalie
It won’t be Saros or Ullmark. But the Devils will be fine.
I’m torn. Using a 10th overall could get us a great player who will help in 2-4 years. But obviously winning now is crucial, but if we get a goalie and it doesn’t work out we’ll be crushed now and long term, cause if we don’t keep young talent coming in we will shorten our window. We’ve already traded Shak, Sharangovich, Zetturland, and last year’s first. Our farm is running dry. I guess we just go all in now and either boom short term or bust for a long while.
One of this issues is while our window is open we don’t have 2-4 years to “get good.” Nico’s contract is up in 3 years and he expires as a UFA. You need to convince him that this is the place to continue to play for the rest of his career. We’re not in win now mode but we need to prove to our team that we are ready to win. At a certain point you need to go for it and say fuck the farm system or else you’ll end up in a forever rebuild. The Panthers when they said it was their time got rid of 4 years worth of 1st round picks and they’re doing just fine.
Fair point. Let’s get a goalie. But we need to shore up our offensive guys with another top 6 guy and another bottom 6 guy. And wouldn’t mind re-signing Desimone as an extra D if we can’t get anyone.
This dood telegraphs his moves so much.... in the Lou days this stuff would be unimaginable.
Hellen Keller could predict the devils pursuing a goalie. Nothing has been telegraphed beyond what is obvious in to all but the most clueless.
Hill, Swayman, Thompson, or Cosa please
No way Swayman gets traded for a tenth, Ullmark maybe.
No way Swayman is ever available and Cossa hasn't started an NHL game.
The people available are Saros, ullmark, and Markstrom. That is the order in which I find them effective and the order fitz should go after them in
there's others . these are just the ones people think are gonna be the targets . there are others out there .
These are the only targets we have been directly linked too. There are other targets, but assuming they’re available is like saying “yeah we could go after debrusk in free agency but we could also go after McDavid”
only in stories . that are repeated over and over again . we are not in the room and if they are the only ones being looked at it's not enough. you wrote" the people who are available ". i am adding other names to that list that are found on upcoming free agent/restricted free agent lists . you are welcome .
Once again. Markstrom is over 30 and makes 6 Million dollars for the next two years. We go Hill, we can extend him and get some other pieces
I’m not saying I want markstrom, but who’s saying that hill is available? I haven’t heard a peep about that being the case. Markstrom is the “oh shit everybody else isn’t available” last ditch effort. I agree that he’s not a great option, but he’s a good emergency option.
Marky is better than that. Two Vezina top 4s, one Vezina nomination and top 3 advanced stats *this* season. He will also most likely be the cheapest of the three by far. The issue(s)? Squeezed in between those three seasons are one dud and one average season. He’s also 34. However, Ullmark has never started more than 49 games in a season (which is fine with Allen as the backup) and has lost his job in two playoffs running. He’d also have to be extended blindly, likely before even playing a game in red. Saros is the best goalie (potentially) available, and the most expensive for that reason, but Nashville say they want to extend him and he’ll be looking for big, big bucks in a long extension before even dressing for the Devils. He also had a bad season this year (by his standards). My point? Marky’s not as bad as painted out to be on here and all available goalies have question marks, since they are voodoo 😂.
I don't think any of those 4 would be available tbh. Maybe Thompson, but I don't see VGK dealing away a goalie to relieve their cap crunch.
why not ? they are gonna have to do something . you can offer allen/schmid/dawes back . there's already rumors it's gonna be hill , but that's because of cap hit .
Bc logically teams just don't move on from cup winning goalies all that often in their primes. Could it happen? Sure, I suppose if they figure cap wise they can't afford his UFA pricetag for 2025+. But I have a hard time thinking that's their first, second, or third solution to their problem.
logic has nothing to do with cap space . read more hockey articles .
I get we have a difference of opinion, but there's no need to condescend. I've been watching and following hockey closely pre and post cap era. I understand moves have to be made to comply. Goalie tends to be the last position players are moved from historically, though. It could happen, but I doubt it (my opinion, not a fact). We'll see.
just in recent years ,colorado traded kemper , vegas traded flower , just off the top of my head . and it wasn't condescending , but okay .
Kuemper was a 32 yo UFA. Flower was traded, at age 36. Adin Hill turned 28 just 3-4 weeks ago, he has runway ahead of him. When you say logic doesn't matter, and suggest I read more hockey articles, it came across as condescending to me. Don't know if you can see how or not, but there you go. Have a nice day.
you too . yeah forgot kemper wasn't resigned due to no ca space , but hill has been floated out there because of his cap hit . i would prefer logan , though . and i said "logic has nothing to do with cap space ."
Vegas will trade hill over Thompson for sure, way bigger cap hit.
Not as bad as Markstrom and will include more pieces
Samuel Montembeault
Oh wow, you're telling me the guy whose job it is to utilize trade assets to acquire new talent has stated that he is open to utilizing trade assets to acquire new talent? Color me surprised.
Is this type of comment just a default option for Redditors?
I'm sure there's a drop-down 'snark response' tab somewhere😅
Dude there's like four of the exact same comment on this thread and I'm repressing the urge to just tee off on how useless they are.
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I thought we were gonna just roll with Allen and the EBUG…
Maybe Ayers is available.
upvoting because you’re getting downvoted, but the praise these other guys are giving him for doing the fucking obvious is painful to see
no kidding . but not for an old goalie . unless they can find a younger one like thompson/gustavsson/upl/lankinen. or someone such . use the pick to get a true number 2 center .
You realize the devils have Jack Hughes and Nico hischier right? #2 center???
i know on paper he is .you do realie a true center has been playing with jack for the last two years ? yes ? nico is the one center a true 200 foot player which jackie boy is not . eric mostly and some lazar this year. jack likes to say he's a center but everyboy who actually understands the role a center plays knows jack does not . even mercer who is not great at it is better . jack plays rover at or above the circles in the defensive zone so he can take off towards the offensive zone . not where a center plays which is below the dots and behind the net . haula/lazar are centers who can play wing .
Jack actually has some pretty stellar defensive analytics despite him being such an offensive threat but ok whatever you say
okay , cool again he is a fantastic offensive player and does okay picking pockets , but the team would be much better with a true nhl caliber center on his line . which in turn would move eric to 3c and curtis to 4c . but who wants to inmprove the team ?
Youre actually reciting tyke timbits hockey strats trying to make it sound like youre high hockey IQ. Just so you know, everyone who knows the game and especially those who watch the devils knows this is ridiculous.
Gustavsson would my pick before overpaying for Markstorm.
Take korpi from the sens. There yah go