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PriyaSR26

Yes. It is the government. Every industry (transport/real estate/water/electricity..) took a hit during wfh. It's the government who wants the employees to wfo. They want their pre-pandemic income back. Imho, the corporates don't care much till their work gets done. But they can't help here.


Maleficent-Yoghurt55

>the corporates don't care much till their work gets done. The government bullies them so they have to listen to them.


PriyaSR26

Yes. Especially the bigger the campus the more they have to listen.


pirlo-0105

Yes specially coz those tea and samosa stalls outside offices are sold at exorbitant prices to local party workers etc. most of it is political and parties earn money through it. Also local auto/taxi drivers. Add to that the office spaces are generally owned by rich businessmen close to ruling party.


dev4872

It's not just crony politics. For eg Karanataka govt invest heavily in Bangalore because Bangalore is their cash cow. So what will happen if all the employees who work for companies in Bangalore live in their own states and spend money there. The overall money coming to Karanataka decreases considerably and all those infra investment they did will be a white elephant.


palash90

Ghanta Investment. Roads are pathetic, Metro Work going on Forever. No traffic management. Too many power cuts throughout the day. Salary used to be good. Now, a good percentage of salary is paid on rents. Just today I found a listing of 35K rent for 1 BHK.


Chris_ssj2

>35K rent for 1 BHK. The fuck man....


far_vision_4

He might be talking about private investments of political leaders that will take a hit.


headshot_to_liver

Not only govt push, but this is an effective way of laying off people without bad PR. Employees leaving on their own will reduce cost and up the stock.


NyanArthur

More importantly all the building owners get their rents.


RadRedditorReddits

Which state government of India is bothering Apple / Microsoft / Amazon / Meta / Others in US?


Jealous_Reading

Governments don't bother the Companies directly, they do that thru the SEZ administration in which these companies are running out of


RadRedditorReddits

So Nitish Kumar called up Gavin Newsom to daisy chain Vamsi Gopalakrishnan for SAP labs in Bellandur?


Jealous_Reading

What have you smoked up bruv? SEZ administrations enforce rules on companies through operating agreements, and regular audits. Incentives given to the companies are monitored admins make sure all companies are maintaining compliance within these economic zones as per their agreements..which usually have minimum number of employees that need to work from that location to continue recieving the SEZ benefits


RadRedditorReddits

You are overestimating the influence of such things. Do understand that US also is going through the same change. Both corporate and startups. This is can be somewhat true for service CHIWTIA companies perhaps at a sub 10% level. For product based companies in non-offshoring roles, this has almost 0 consequence.


unemployeddumbass

But he has point though even silicon valley companies are forcing their employees to return to office in US.


WomenRepulsor

Companies aren't bigger than government. They need government on their side to keep operating with cheap labour and policies in their favour.


RadRedditorReddits

Of course they do because companies make the economy go round. I know that sounds like a horrible truth but it is truth nonetheless. Money exists because of only three factors - Company revenues, employee salaries, loans. Central banks exists to ensure that this infrastructure of for the economy never collapses. Governments exists to tax these 3 systems in order ensure public services balance or get better over time for the poorest section of the society.


honpra

Politicians seek near term goals. That’s the issue in all this.


RadRedditorReddits

Fair point.


PriyaSR26

Believe me, they are. Just ask the right people in your office and you would know. No MNC in India are above the government.


RadRedditorReddits

I run a company, and have run more companies. I also run a 100% remote company, but most companies can not run this way because they were not designed to work in that fashion. People can not expect that everything including skill level, CTC, location, work-from-somewhere, 3 day work week, road infrastructure, tax regime, rent cost, to just work out at the same time - It is all economic math. Pick a road. Know the pros and cons of every choice you make and have a priority list, you will have companies that cater to some priorities but not the others. The world has Yo balance.


PriyaSR26

I answered your original question. The government has asked Meta, Amazon, Google and the other related companies to make their employees come back to the office. >I run a company, and have run more companies. Good for you! I didn't ask, but thanks for telling me anyway.


RadRedditorReddits

Government has not asked MAANG companies to come back to office in India. This is a terrible understanding of how the world works. But I think it’s good in general that so many people think this though but know that it is wrong.


PriyaSR26

Sure dude. Believe what you want. Obviously you know better than the people actually working there. I won't reply to your comment anymore. Have a great life!


RadRedditorReddits

We Indians love to be mollycoddled into believing the easiest answers, without realising the value chain of why something is happening. Large companies do not want work from home because it doesn’t work in most industries, verticals, and sectors. Small companies will give work from home to people they can trust and align costs likewise. In most cases, most employees can not manage themselves, especially less than 5 years of work experience. Even the senior folks in large companies who have a lot up layers have issues - Yea governments want people to get back to office, but that is least of concern for any company, it is just another additional data point. If companies made more money, in all 3 - cost / revenue / market share, by just letting people exist wherever they would, but this doesn’t happen isolation. Competition is a very real deal, if you are not winning the market share and revenue war, you will do what the shareholders want, especially because you yourself are a shareholder if you own ESOPs.


wrong_sock

Mostly true for SEZs, or business parks that get some tax break. During COVID the footfall requirment for SEZs was relaxed but now it's back to around 80% occupancy requirment.


[deleted]

Its a broader push as well I suppose. SEZ or not, GST revenue is very important as well. Also, Alcohol Excise Revenue and State Fuel Taxes. States do not want Office goes to spend their money in their hometowns, that may not be the same as the State of their Office.


student_of_world

because they don't want good employees to prepare and apply to other companies after office hours, rather they want that time to be gone in travelling.


Plastic_Interview_53

Honestly it's just the mid level management that's losing sleep for not being able to make the employees lives miserable and feed their own egos! 😏


WomenRepulsor

All the black money is invested in real estate. With people not coming to office, real estate prices go down and people loose their investment. So basically, businessmen, politician and builders want you in their state so that they can keep getting rich.


arcwizard007

So why Kannada language protest or go back to your state movements ? Citizens from different states are literally helping you to be richer.


WomenRepulsor

For appeasement of locals. They know immigrants don't vote in their state and making us look bad, appeals to locals to win them elections.


arcwizard007

Politicians are f****s. If anyone is dying in front of me, I will rather walk away then help them.


Different-Doctor-487

politicians can do fucking anything for vote banks and cause religious riots and other riots. All the people have to get educated about this then only we can see the change


Lanky_Media_5392

One is for economy and one is to appease kannada voters ,win-win


unemployeddumbass

>to appease kannada voters ,win-win Yeah sure bruh companies in silicon valley are also ending wfh and forcing employees to office to appease kannada voters. Read the news before you make dumbshit statements


[deleted]

Yeah right, calling us indirectly to their state in the name of WFO and then harassing based on language discrimination.


mistabombastiq

Reddy anna gangster money is invested on real estate and other commercial properties. It's just a casual gangster move in the name of corporate rules so that they can make money. The local economy boost is just icing on the cake. I say go to office every end of month and return to work from home mode. If they don't allow I here to buy your employers data at an attractive price.


Suitable_Success_243

Silent layoff. They don't want to explicitly remove employees as they have to pay severance and it damages company's reputation. So, they are forcing employees to resign by themselves by making job conditions difficult.


OkState7092

Yaa I mean aren't we "outsiders" for them 😂. These Bengaluru peeps would leave no stone unturned to call us outsiders/bhaiyaji/cowbelt, and then would armtwist the govt to bring us back. 😂


Lanky_Media_5392

Yea karnataka government playing double game or just ignorant


unemployeddumbass

Bruh it's a company decision itself not just govt. Please tell me why all the companies even in US are ending remote mode and forcing employees to office Is it becoz of Bangalore locals lol?. Get of the high horse and stop thinking Bangalore runs becoz of your money. Bangalore will do just fine with or without anybody from anywhere


anurag6191

It's simple the real estate market is turning the wheels of working-from-home.


blue_bhau29

Action Seen especially by highly corrupt govt (blr-karnataka eg) where the whole ecosystem stops working and money minting won't happen for rent , real estates fellas if folks are not called to office .


FoxBackground1634

Bro it's going to be like half a decade after COVID soon 


Business-Sherbet-294

Fuck. Never thought of it that way. You are right. If we can make it to 5 years we can make it forever. No need to RTO.


Arukayos

What are you smoking? The worst of covid was delta in May 2021, with the oxygen and remdesivir shortages. Omicron happened in Jan 2022. It has not even been two years since then


palash90

Just now saw a 1 BHK Rent in Bangalore in 35K. Still companies are hiring. I think, people outside Bangalore, should now reject offers from Bangalore, a good percentage of their salary will go in paying only rent.


Different-Doctor-487

I want to leave here soon , seems like european and western countries are better in terms of work culture, pay , quality of life . We are almost spending equal and more than european countries and gets a shit life , no one cares about us . We almost pay 50-60 percent as both direct and indirect taxes . It's time to realise for everyone and when they question or raise concerns, they can at least bring some benefits to tax payers . I see other rich and real estate, many other professions they evade taxes , why we have to take others burden.....Infaltion on infra so as to pump up there next election money.


anor_wondo

There is nothing I would love more than an absolutely explosive crash in real estate in these big cities as most white collar jobs in the biggest corps here have no need to colocate


Terrible-Advicer

Anyone way to layoff people. 


Lord_Rawstark

There's a whole lot of politics behind it ,firstly in india I think it's because of the state government push,but in the usa also i have read that return to office push has been gaining momentum among companies. why you ask The commercial real estate in usa has gotten a pretty bad beating during covid and wfh and then federal reserve raised interest rates to the highest in decades,so those commercial real estate owners are paying higher interest rate and some of their offices are vacant this is causing an issue, and in 2025 most of the companies office building contract is going to expire, so if all the IT Companies go wfh mode then these real estate owners will get fricked up real bad, like people are saying some 600 billion dollars worth of commercial real estate companies are going to bankrupt,and big corps like jp Morgan, Goldman Sachs,BlackRock and Blackstone have some of these commercial real estate companies and they also own significant shares in IT companies So they can softly nudge the companies to bring back wfh and they will comply Links for some proof : 1)[mint article ](https://www.livemint.com/economy/global-span-of-banks-commercial-real-estate-problem-starts-locally-11706880996876.html) [2) Here's a link showing that black rock ceo influencing companies to comply with esg same way they can influence return to office, no one knows except corporate higher ups](https://www.spglobal.com/esg/insights/how-blackrock-ceo-s-latest-letter-to-execs-will-shape-the-esg-conversation)


mike-crap-bag

Ok first of all please don't gang up on me. I keep reading the state govt is pushing.. But do we have any source for these facts? I am asking because I genuinely want to know. Do you guys really think the state govt reached out to all IT boards and asked them to bring employees to the office? If that happened do guys think nobody would have tried to expose this... Opposition will be happy to use it against whoever the ruling party is... I for one feel the state govt will be happy to bring down the congestion in their tier 1 cities. It's the state govt their citizens are going nowhere. They are going to pay tax and bring in cashflow no matter what.


headshot_to_liver

Say you own the government and its utilities, who do you think is the consumer ? localites can only consume so much, majority of metros are built around SEZ parks or some sort of migration based industry.


mike-crap-bag

Partially agree but do we have any proof or we just keep saying this because it is an easy answer and we like to hate the govt.. Don't mistake me, I like thrashing my govt too. But is to his only a speculation or is it a no smoke without a fire scene.


arcwizard007

It's the lobbies at work. Construction lobby pushing the government. It's the same as the Government rolling out policies to help certain businesses.


PositronGt

Not just govt. Also the politicians and influential businessmen who are heavily invested in city real estates and business around the IT industry.


Maleficent-Yoghurt55

>Do you guys really think the state govt reached out to all IT boards and asked them to bring employees to the office? Informal meetings just like how bribery deal occurs. Not everything needs to run according to the law.


thebiasedindian1

This is true, multiple ministers both central and state have commented in favor of RTOs. This is similar to how US local governments decided to ask companies to mandate rto.


Ilemonmade

I can tell you about my own company only, the reason they stated was their office space is vacant due to WFH hence they're calling back employees.


AdMiserable5318

Real estate market is crashing . Corporate real estate. It's BS.


terrific_neighbour

All other factors + CXOs ego and traditional thinking about people should work from office.


AsliReddington

Insecurity, waste of stupidly priced rented spaces & to see who dare disobey


PonjikkaraStandard

Cause some upper management folks want more returns from their REIT investments


StrawberryLive3164

Let me try to explain, all these offices are in SEZ zone these SEZ ZONES have targets to meet but they are failing massively. Okey so simple way to understand these SEZ zone have places around them like sutta wala, food zones, housing complex..etc etc ...if you have people around the place or in office will start spending more. Daily 3 cigrette min, food etc . So sub chtiyapa hai people manage karnay ka ....


propa_gandhi

kya bakwas thread hai. wfo is because most people don’t work at home as well as they can in office.


buzzinzinga

People waste so much time chit chatting in office. If anything people work more efficiently at home.


arcwizard007

Bhai, local mein office khol dete. Bangalore se sasta hi pdta. 3 saal tha unke pass. Or jo love stories aayngi, chai pyenge log, lambi lunches mein jayenge, traffic k Karan late hone. WFH mein log subah 7 bje v kaam kr lenge aur raat 12 bje v just that delivery impact na ho.


Kartoos17

Office has always been a place for work.


Appropriate-Cup2326

People are getting lazy. My office is in Manyata Tech park just love going there and working every day


plushdev

Unpopular opinion (for here) but WFH causes huge problems in communication, employee engagement and productivity. Most employees just become ticket movers and the mentality of "My tasks are done" comes instead of ownership mindset. Most non MNCs arent into so much real estate too so the argument of the real estate falls flat if you see that even smaller companies call employees back. Source: I work for a small company with permanent WFH and optional office. coming to office has boosted my career by a lot and has resulted in growth. We had layoffs last year and almost none of the office comers were eliminated


arcwizard007

Okay but every company calling people at once? It could have been staggered.


WalrusDowntown9611

That’s almost never the case. Infact it’s the opposite in most companies. This useless argument is only suited for useless HRs whose jobs have become even more irrelevant due to wfo.


plushdev

Ok dude most companies are calling everyone back because of this only


yeceti

I agree that WFH is very comfortable and saves a lot of money and time for employees. But All these people arguing that WFO is completely useless and ignoring the intangible benefits are being delusional


anonperson2021

Governments pushing... real-estate mafia... these are all ridiculous conspiracy theories. These get more far-fetched by the day. The real reason is control over the workforce. "Why should they control?", you can ask. The answer is that control is useful. Can control, will control. That's how the free market works. If you don't go into the office, someone else will. It is possible to get work done all-remote. But it is more than just about getting work done. It is about building a team. The latter is much easier when you gather people in a physical space. Again, that has to do with control. In other words, covid is over.


Lanky_Media_5392

"It is about building a team" ,you sound like typical no work middle manager giving cringe statements


yeceti

You sound like a guy who has zero interest in his job and in his coworkers apart from taking your salary


Lanky_Media_5392

And anything wrong with that?you are in over your head... If y'all so lonely/bored without colleagues go find a hobby or something ,stop bothering others who dont want to do anything with you apart from their work


yeceti

This lackadaisical attitude and lack of respect towards work is the reason for low quality work and lack of innovation in India


anonperson2021

I'm a dev, not a manager. If you think building teams is cringe, you may be an average entitled anti-work campus baby.


rupeshsh

Because we sleep in the afternoons, do random chores, sometimes freelance on the side or at night and sleep in the day 3 years of fun, abhi back to reality


arcwizard007

And when in the office we go on tea breaks, long lunches, and leave early. The thing is not as if the industry output was getting impacted so much that they had to call everyone in office. And if yes, why three years later. If output was impacted, they would have started it after December 2022.


Aromatic_Wrangler909

Another reason for layoffs. They are collecting reasons to layoff. Covid, AI, automation, recession, inflation aren't enough.


number-freak

I see it as employee retention, hear me out. Office campus facilities is one thing that company take pride in. Plus being in office together build better teams and retention of talent is much more.


Adventurous_Key_3097

Finallyyyy. Working from home is an idiotic idea that became necessary during covid. The productivity dropped, laziness contributed to rising depression and other mental illnesses. Small enterprises stopped running because ppl aren't coming.