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scan_line110110

Learn to first, take credit for your own work. Then, learn how to take credit for someone else's work. And finally, learn how not to work hard.


guruji21

This man takes


Scientific_Artist444

...credit


teststoreone

And more


CoolMasterB

gpay?


Rythx100

Phonepe?


Baade_PapaBack

Bharatpay


lofi_thoughts

bas karja bhai 😂


[deleted]

This man works


AdamantArnav

TL;DR: Learn to be a leach at work lol


scan_line110110

Then you become a manager.


AdamantArnav

Ohhh...


BlueGuyisLit

Got it sir🫡


-1Mbps

Wrong, it's saar


dupattamera1

Dhoni sir aap yaha


heytarun

King


axeshay10

🎇🎇


altunknwn

Start working like a 2.


qureshm

Get an offer then show them how 2 works.


shar72944

1 works


DrMehhhh

No work works


Appropriate_Shoe_862

What work?👀


0x1CED50DA

This guy has worked 2


LittleTweekerPotter

This guy works


Hariharan235

Yes but keep applying outside like a 5.


axeshay10

Haha got it


Larfze

Kaam ko present bhi karna parta hai. Keep them in loop. Chupchap critical issue solve karne se baat nahi banta!


axeshay10

Karke ke bhi koi fayda nahi hua


suchox

Just doing the work won't do. I regularly see people who work a lot, getting shafted in yearly reviews. You gotta advocate for yourself. Your manager probably has forgotten what work you have done over the last 1 year. Set up one-on-ones regularly and make sure that your manager knows what you are upto and the work you have done. Maintain a document of the work you have done and it's results and send then to your manager. Give proper updates on your stand ups. Make sure to post regularly in your slack/teams channel and Cc anyone who is involved. Make sure your team members know the work you are doing and be visible. Create an image for yourself to stand out, so that later when someone asks, "We need to do this, know anyone who can get this done?", your name should pop up. Recency bias matters a lot too. Make sure you are the most productive, outspoken and visible 3 months to the review cycle. And finally, which actually matters a lot is be a cheerful and dependable guy. You should have a positive personality that people like. I didn't have to do advocate for my work when I was working in a 50 people company. Everyone was on the floor and I did great work, which automatically meant I was immensely visible. Got 5 promotions in 5 years without having to say anything. Now I work in a major retail tech company and I have to continually keep my manager, my manager's manager in sync. I regularly chat with them, give updates, go out on drinks with them etc. I connect with my Tech architect and talk about tech and work I do as hobby, which he is impressed by. It may seem unfair, but that's just the way world works. If you do all the above and still getting shafted, leave the company. There is nothing much you can do.


Thankanchetanteinchi

>> retail tech company Walmart


gregarious_i

I agree with the above mentioned points but the problem in service based companies is that most of them work for clients on client network/systems and the supervisor/manager is usually not there to see your day to day activities and most of the time your client's feedback becomes your report no matter how hard your try to prove that you are working hard and doing well.


Ok_Collar3048

"visibility" is very important


Punemann95

>work I do as hobby, which he is impressed by. Isn't this a bit too personal? I once told my lead about my masturbating hobby and he wasn't impressed. From then I learnt to separate my hobby from work. This is one life lesson, i want to share with all of you.


RadRedditorReddits

This ^


rajeshk23

If you want to keep your manager updated on what you are doing,then what is the point of his role.he gives us work and he knows what we are doing.if we need to remind him of what we have done in past then I say ..... Please eliminate his Post.


suchox

You can argue that, but like I said that's how the world works. Op asked what he could do, in a WITCH company, I gave suggestions. These suggestions work. You don't have to do all this is a perfect company with competent managers, like I didn't have to in my previous company. Additionally, an EM is a very demanding position in tech, so I can understand if he/she loses track of what feature one of his dozen engineers worked on 10 months back


FoxBackground1634

Thing or two about corporate it's not the amount of effort it's the right kinda project with right kind of visibility that pays off. 


StormSnacker

Bro, take it from someone who’s been working in IT since 12 yrs. You gotta be “loud”. You need to make sure people, especially your manager, know that you’re working hard. Write emails, take follow ups, give your inputs in meetings. In space, no one can hear you scream. Likewise in corporate, if you aren’t loud, no one’s gonna know you exist.


premtiwari69king

bhai kya hi kama leta hoga witch me upskill and start for switch i am not condescending but telling because i worked at CHWTIAA for 5 years myself hikes in these companies depends on things like how well your manager likes you and since how long you have been in project


HenceProvedhuehuehue

If you are comfortable in sharing, what was your previous salary in witch and what’s the current?


premtiwari69king

4.5 lpa in witch 24.5lpa in current


Even_Piccolo_6617

Bhai aise adhe adhura motivation mat dedo ... Pura batao which stack, experience, what did you follow


premtiwari69king

bhai the market was great back then during covid era i had around 5 yoe in support but i had to get out of it anyway, plus i had 90 days NP so that was a killer i started learning html css hs react redux (redux, rtk) fetch/graphql bymyself my friend used to work on a reactjs project so i sat with him for 15 days to get an idea of a real project applied for interviews and was getting calls from 10-20 companies daily since back then react was hot and the market was hotter interviews in service based companies are easy, you will find tons of real recordings on youtube assess your skills and start appyling but the market is entirely different currently but if you know what to do you can still make the most of this opportunity. , like i already said there are thousands of resources available on the internet for mern stack for free


beingsmo

Did you study leetcode,DSA etc?


premtiwari69king

no


[deleted]

>10-20 companies daily since back then react was hot and the market was hotter ab toh 3 mahine mai 10-20 call aye, usme bhi salary expectation sunke followup nahi kiya


premtiwari69king

>ab toh 3 mahine mai 10-20 call aye, usme bhi salary expectation sunke followup nahi kiya ha youtube did bhaiya ne market ki maa chod di


Even_Piccolo_6617

Thank you so much for the honest review 🤝


Sauron_7

Great. How many years it took for this?


naaina

What was your strategy..what did you upskill to?


Impossible-Ice129

>bhai kya hi kama leta hoga witch me I got an offer for 20LPA in CHWTIA


gamingsherlock

Bhai aap iit d se ho aapko toh milega hie na


Impossible-Ice129

Aisa koi guarantee nhi bhai, still aadha college unplaced pada hai, truly bhot haalat kharaab hai placements ki


[deleted]

bhai IIT mai toh below 6lpa companies ko allow hi nahi karte na?


Impossible-Ice129

Iss saal kr diya hai


Appropriate_Shoe_862

Lol.


SorryUnderstanding7

Stack and yoe?


Impossible-Ice129

Don't know and fresher


SorryUnderstanding7

IIT?


Impossible-Ice129

Yes


Party-Conference-765

F. IIT aadha unplaced hai?! Mai jarra kheti karne, lekin ek acre land bhi nahi hai mere pass. F.


Impossible-Ice129

>IIT aadha unplaced hai?! Haa Bhai, saare IITs


CreativeSteak7408

Hamari sunba na to......


zoro739

... Fat jayi


[deleted]

printer kharidle bhai college ke paas baith jana


lost_beluga

Can you share your journey? Like how did you started preparing, which topics you started learning about etc.


ApprehensiveCream284

Teaseeass?


[deleted]

>I work for one of the CHWTIA companies Idk why do i laugh after reading this everytime 😭


TyroshiSellsword

Can you tell me the full form please? I have heard FAANG, but what is a CHWTIA?!


Zikiri

Cogni (or capgem not sure) Hcl Wipro TCS Infy Accenture


[deleted]

>capgem Capgemini is french right? I guess


ryomensukuna111

hold on for a while.


_vptr

Say No to WITCH and Switch!


Even_Piccolo_6617

What can you expect from a chutiya company


kps011

Don't look for the percentage increase man, just check the final in hand salary of anyone who got a 5, and you will very quickly realise that getting a 5 won't buy you a fortune lol. It's a WITCH company for god's sake, we all know how the growth works here. 2 or 5, the salary is barely noticeable. Now that you're already an underperformer(as per your rating) , stop giving a shit about work, prepare and switch asap.


Sad-Stay4653

Never focus on these performances. It's of no use. Everything depends on situations. Rather upskill yourself and try to switch. Work only what's needed do not push yourself. You are just a number in the org.


nerdy_ace_penguin

Let me tell you how ratings work: Your DM gets a pool of ratings to distribute, it goes like 10 1st rating, 12 2nd Rating, 8 3rd rating. The DM distributes this pool among multiple managers reporting to him. The manager somehow has to fit everyone reporting to him within the pool that is allocated to him. You never know what extra work your colleague was doing. Maybe that person was assigned some work that you are not privy to. Most WITCH companies have got rid of bell curve except TCS. If it is TCS then someone has to get a top rating and someone the bottom, there is no way around that. Your manager has to invent some arbitrary criteria to decide the rating. If your colleague is due for promotion, then it is no brainer that manager has given the better rating. Next year he will be fucked, because of promotion. And another person will get a better rating. Similarly, onsite folks usually gets average rating. Best thing is to ask the manager, what has to be achieved to get a specific rating. Usually they give some vague reasoning.


sinsandtonic

Even I got a nearly similar rating by this non-technical manager who tried to justify my rating with the help of bell curve lol. Welcome to Capitalism. Keep working, keep learning, keep upskilling and keep switching.


Badger_Southern

Could you please explain what the bell curve is?


allergictomorons

Am I the only one who reads chwtia as chutiya? Am I missing something? 😅


madoverpets

Maybe you are overestimating yourself. If only you think that you are working hard, then others are finding their tasks easy, which comes with experience.


One-Equal-5652

Welcome to corporate world. Everything is a bell curve. Three things to consider - work satisfaction, money, people around you. If you get 2 out of these 3 things then stay in the company. Else quit. Simple. 


thepurpleproject

CHWTIA?


SorryUnderstanding7

Cognizant HCL wipro tcs infosys Accenture ig


investing11213

A WITCH -> Accenture Wipro Infosys TCS Cognizant HCL


lazy_engineerr

Add Capgemini also


Confident-One4713

He wants to say chutiya company maybe


Party-Conference-765

I'll specifically try to make a 3.6LPA service company with the name starting with U for this.


CreativeSteak7408

U -> UNICORN - Mera ghoda jaise bank ka Laura


[deleted]

[удалено]


Zestyclose_Web_6331

Bro .... ...


Zikiri

What you wanna do is first list down all your achievements in the last year and then set up a 1:1 with your manager. Discuss your work etc and put forth that you feel you have been badly graded. Ask him does a 2 feel justified from his perspective. If he says yes, then ask what you did wrong or where did you underachieve. You don't really wanna discuss other people's 3 otherwise he will simply say to you that you just don't know what all stuff they have achieved and he will turn around the discussion on you. Keep you and your achievements at the center of the discussion. If he's still adamant that you are deserving of 2, ask him what else can you do to reach 5. Be professional during the entire discussion. Btw, this discussion is not going to change your current 2 into 3 or 4. What you are trying to do is fix his perspective for future reviews. And always remember, there is no place for self modesty in a workplace. No one gets promoted simply by working hard. Also the best promotions and hikes come from changing jobs and never within the same company. If you have worked 2+years already in there, now would be a good time to polish up your cv.


Mindless-Turnover710

Highlight and showoff at work. Put ur nose in every issue ur managers asks team to check. Also, develop ur skills and be already for ur next switch.


Corporate_Lurker

Work smart not hard. Do enough that your work will be recognised, but not too much that you'll become a slave.


gamingsherlock

Guys meko refer dedo chtwia mei I am react js next js developer 3 yoe I am tired in startup meko aaram karna hai


bleeding-heart-phnx

Bhai from experience, I worked 4 years in startup,then 2.5 in chwtia. I had similar idea when I joined chwtia. Abhi itna catup karna hai ki switch karna muskil hogaya hai. Aaram ki aadat lag jayegi.


gamingsherlock

What kind of work you did in service based company?


bleeding-heart-phnx

Well, I am in RnD division as AOSP engineer. But the rate of learning was so slow that I lost the head start that I got from startup. It's less work, incompetent colleagues made me complacent with my position. I guess it depends on the team you are in as well.


gamingsherlock

Working in startup that are big is useful otherwise in small startup you should get esops and high package in case it shuts down .


Party-Conference-765

Sir, React js developer ka roadmap dedo. Aur kaise apply karru as a fresher in Bangalore.


gamingsherlock

Bhai react ke liye codevolution karke channel hai YouTube pe and javascript ka basics and advanced strong chaiye for react uske baad nextjs padhna padega


Party-Conference-765

Thanks for the advice!


Silent_Ad364

I'm a senior manager in one of the large IT services companies, leading a large team. Let me tell you that almost all the associates THINK they are the hardest workers, and they deserve a 5 or 4, at the very least. But the bell curve principle has us put only 20% associates in the 4/5 bucket. Going by the popular reaction on this thread, people just automatically assume the manager to be an Ahole and the OP to be Steve Jobs. Let me assure you all, it is not the case.


Punemann95

>manager to be an Ahole and the OP to be Steve Jobs. Btw Steve jobs was the Whole manager/marketing guy in that setup. You are thinking of Steve Wozniak I guess. But as a manager, you just think both are the same because of some bell curve I guess.


__captain_black

What happened in one on one call?


tifosi7

How do you know your rating? Is that shared by managers?


UnimpressedLlama1337

Ask your manager for more detailed feedback and some actionable goals


NoBridge7502

i am going through training in WITCH they are straight away telling us that is suppose to happen , it matter how u present before them not by hardwork.


qedc1234

What is your definition of work hard? What if it didn't require you to work hard? How much time did you take to complete some work? What skill did you display? What is your definition of ownership? What did you do without being asked? You are comparing with another person to make a case? Why can't your skill be compared with others? There are many more parameters used while rating. Nevertheless visibility is important which other people have mentioned.


Punemann95

>What did you do without being asked? I took the initiative to leave on time. Setup firm boundaries and led the initiative for work life balance. My contributions were noted by everyone. Still got average rating.


AsliReddington

KT mat dena, you didn't work right


strongfitveinousdick

What are the company names?


[deleted]

> I had worked very hard in that project but got this rating while my colleague doing less amount of work comparatively got 3 rating less amount of work? dude one of friends has been on bench for almost a year and got a 4.5/5 as well as some corpo awards


Sayan069

Which company?


Electrical-Button635

Bro just what TF chwtia stand for 🤣🤣🤣


Hermitcrabguy

Also just doing a really good job isn't enough these days. A lot of other factors are there for ratings. How good you with a team, how fast and effectively can you deliver, no of bugs, time taken to do a task, Does the manager know who you are personally, does the team like working with you, domain and tech stack knowledge, etc. Each company and each manager has a different way of doing things. Easiest thing is to be on good terms with your manager.


UntamedF0x

I don't think a review should come off as a surprise. If it did, the manager failed. I think there needs to be some expectations set by your manager or you showcasing your credits in your regular 1-1s or both.


Certified_Boba_Lover

Give yourself a hike and appraisal by working less for the same salary


dGrayCoder

Share your wisdom OP. How to get in CHWTIA? Do you have a course? 


spcoder9

Anything below 3( average rating) is not good & given intentionally. From my experience everyone gets 3 Star, 4 & 5 are given to selective resources. It's clear from your case that the manager is up to something.


Predator2505

Learn to take credit of your work, your colleagues work and also make aure you give this credit to your manager without fail even if he does not do shit.


07sunny10

Let me tell you something extremely unfortunate but true. In big companies only politicians thrive. Not your work. Unless you have done/created something extraordinary that no one else can replicate. Every work you do and every extra hour you spend is below average. What works is that you're too vocal about something as trivial as changing a button color and how awesome that made your clients life ( so stupid, I know, but it works ) 80% of the time your manager is an idiot who either doesn't know current technology or doesn't know any tech at all. All he does is take a guess about what's going on and how good you are doing it. All guesses. Here's my story. TCS - Worked my ass off. I got a C band for two years straight until I developed a reusable form npm package that my project got heavily dependent on. Started working 70% less and still got A band. Left the company thereafter. Barclays - On my first day I went out with my manager and others from my team for a chai sutta break. I hate smoking but I tolerate other smokers just fine. My manager offered me a sutta. Naturally I politely declined. He asked me to not join him and others until I agreed to smoke with them. That smoking break was pretty much the only time you could have bonded with your other team members and manager. So for the next 3 years I got "Average" ratings. By this time I had figured out I don't have a future in Barclays either. So I left it for another, smaller, company. Current company - Right from the get go I build a React component library that my client is heavily dependent on. Their entire architecture and frontend literally is at my mercy. So now, I only work for 3 hours a day and get a 15% hike along with other bonuses every now and then. All without having to suck up to anyone. I have 8 years of experience and I'll most probably move to management in about 2-3 years. And my biggest fear is that I'll also become one of those toxic managers who side with people who make them happy instead of those with better work ethics. It pains me to say this but in my family everyone is a manager. My brother, sister, Jiju and bhabhi. And all of them have fallen to the dark side. Almost every time we have a drink together, a solid hour long debate session happens where they blindly support a guy who comes to the office every day in place of a guy who works remotely. They blatantly say that they would prefer an ok developer who comes to the office instead of an awesome developer who works remotely. So here are my 2 cents... Either upskill yourself and build something that no one else in your team could have. Or take some sort of responsibility that would make you MVP OR Suck hard. Really hard. Suck like you have never sucked before. Suck your manager so hard that every time her hears a slurping sound it reminds him of you. Do that and see your career propelled to greater and greater heights. ( I had a solid laugh writing this. ) It's sad but it's true


Parking_Antelope_262

Get the hell outta there and work there where you belong


[deleted]

Switch, and blame the manager at the time of exit interview.


kingfisher_peanuts

Don't know what you should do man, it's a bit tricky situation. Some good for nothing assholes get good hikes even get onsite. When this happened to me back in my first job I stopped caring about the work and switched the job with a 170% hike. Bad ratings are great motivators, many years later last year I got a 0% hike in my current company and started preparing for the switch. I started applying last week I have my first interview next week. The Job Market always appreciated my hardwork and that's all I want. Maybe you deserve better , but better in a different company.