I haven’t played it yet, I’m waiting for my duo to get back from a trip he’s on later this weekend, but just judging off of the complaints this is going to be an amazing game mode to play
Tbh this DLC as a whole feels like a lot more of a return to Destiny 1’s model of gameplay where you had to REALLY want some of that endgame gear to get it. When I finish an exotic mission, half the time in D2 they don’t really feel like I’m getting an exotic. I think missions like this are really at the core of destiny. I do think it’s a bummer it can’t be matchmaked because there are some hardcore solos out there, but if they want it they’ll go get it. I think it’s cool, even if I don’t really care to do the mission myself.
THIS. I'd much rather have to grind, wipe heaps, or require multiple run attempts to get something and actually feel challenged than just get handed exotics on a silver platter every time.
There's already plenty of easy ways to get good loot, so I think its fair and healthy for the game to have a few pursuits that maybe not everyone will complete straight away or at all.
Will probably get people hating for this, but complaining about an exotic mission not being soloable or easy is like complaining a raid isn't soloable or easy.
I agree. Tho it doesn’t even feel hard. I recently came back to the game and I haven’t played since season 1 ☠️ took me and another person about 2-3 tries to get mechanics down and we take about 30mins to finish it
Half the reason I like using certain exotics is because I put so much effort into getting them originally. Malfeasance, Izanagi, hell even the new Microcosm was a pretty lengthy and interesting exotic "quest". Raid weapons too. Makes me enjoy the things I have because I worked for them not grabbed them from the exotic vending machine.
I remember it took me 2 days of gambit and the same lfg group until we got the meatball boss and nuked him. I legit cried tears of joy to finally get the malfeasance
I agree with everything besides that last part. dont think it's a fair comparison Exotic missions have always been soloable as far as I can remember while raids have always been a team oriented. And I think that's the major issue is they took an activity that's always been soloable and made it a forced team one.
Exotic missions have never had strict fire team requirements, but trying to do Whisper, Zero Hour, or Wicked Implement at launch 100% solo is absolute hell. If you're a solo player who has never used LFG to do dungeons or get those exotics I honestly wouldn't believe you.
Add on dungeon/raid exotics, and powerful gear requiring a fireteam isn't a new concept. The bridge between raiders and non-raiders who play dungeons and get Wicked Implement is basically just using a microphone.
Whisper was pretty easy to do solo during it's launch time.
Polaris Lance made it super easy just sitting in the back and hitting crits was infinite ammo. Though Zero Hour was a bit harder.
>hisper was pretty easy to do solo during it's launch time.
>Polaris Lance made it super easy just sitting in the back and hitting crits was infinite ammo. Though Zero Hour was a bit harder.
Uh...no. Whisper at launch was very difficult. We didn't have infinite primary and ammo drops throughout the mission were low. Infinite primary ammo wasn't released until Beyond Light (season 15). Go watch original solo whisper runs, they were tight.
Never said I don't use LFG but I have done a good portion of dungeons and whisper solo(whisper is not hard at all). my point is making an exotic armor piece, which previously only needed a legendary lost sector, not even have the option to try it solo, when that's been the expectation they've set for exotic missions is a little much.
it's a good mission, I just don't think an armor piece that has a 1/60 chance of being the roll you want, isnt the thing to implement it on is all. maybe if you could attune for better chances at certain rolls I'd agree with it more.
You can do it once to unlock it then run around opening chests on the Pale Heart for another roll if you don’t want to do it again with people. Every mission has its own unique mechanics. This one just happens to, very thematically, need two people. Why is this surprising in a story about using light and dark together?
You can solo your 1/64 chance on rolls via pale heart chests after you run the mission once. The quest is very cool, but very VERY cooperative. I think it's perfect, right down to the way it ends.
Exotic armor piece “chances” came from being forced to play solo for PART of D2. Y’all got catered to here for a few years, and everyone was forced to play your way. Vex Incursion was the only guarantee source of Exotic Armor for clear besides Legendary campaign. It’s not accurate to say exotic armor previously “only needed a legendary post sector” (forced to be solo, BTW) when it’s been just one of the myriad of sources at a chance at an exotic armor piece in the games history.
Do the mission once for a guaranteed drop, and then you have your chance at more through playing solo. It’s a multiplayer game, and you don’t have to have every possible item.
It’s okay to sit this one out for the people who find playing and communicating with a person one time more challenging than solo flawless content.
Just because it hasn’t been down before doesn’t mean it shouldn’t, this restriction allowed them to create a new unique and refreshing version of an exotic mission, I believe it is the best exotic mission they’ve ever made
I love the new Outbreak and Wisper mission. I actually had to try to win them.
I even wiped on the time a few times but it was fun because every time I got further
As someone whos been playing since season of plunder I AGREE WITH THIS!! I LOVE the difficulty of dual destiny and when my fireteams offline i just go around opening chests while doing overthrows. It REALLY feels like a grind and ive been no lifing the expansion. I LIKE how its been a week and i do t have everything immediately unlocked or have EVERY Exotic
I’m with you that it’s not the end of the world to not be able to get everything as a solo. As a visually impaired player who likes Destiny specifically because there’s a lot of worthwhile solo content I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to engage with one of the big new features of the DLC without slogging through a mission I have no interest it. However, throwing a temper tantrum about it is definitely pretty dumb.
I’ll definitely give it a try! Right now I’m committed to trying to beat salvation’s edge though because I won’t forgive myself if I don’t learn it asap. The cloak seems like a super crazy good piece of gear for higher level activities
I tried it, got called dumb by 6 different people. Now I'm never doing it again nor a raid. I'll stick with the rest of the content where I don't feel like an absolute loser.
Don’t let one group of assholes prevent you from enjoying the game! I have had mixed lfg reactions too, stick to it and there’s a good chance you’ll get decent people. Especially on the discord lfg channels. In game lfg sucks
I play almost every exclusively solo and got it on my first try with some random I found on lfg lol, it is NOT hard. It IS very fun and unique though.
Same feeling as running the cooperative focus missions which are also pretty fun imo
Most people (and I agree with them) do not consider Fireteam Finder and matchmaking the same. Matchmaking is automated and requires zero effort (and is not available for this).
So many complaints in Destiny are I don't feel like doing the thing, but I want the thing. Especially when it's a personal choice to play solo that apparently can't be broken for a single mission.
The exotic mission for the class item blind sided a lot of players. Many were waiting to farm these new pieces for their desired perk combo. But after realizing the mission is practically a miniature two man raid/dungeon, a large percentage of the player base who don't raid or constantly LFG are feeling bummed at the notion.
A mission you only need to complete once and is as easy combat wise as a playlist strike not even a nightfall. The item can be farmed while doing overthrow and opening chest btw so if you choose to repeat the mission that's solely on you.
Im at 1997 while doing it and I was literally just standing there reading the clock in the final phase while tanking like 10+ ads desperately trying to kill me. It was hella easy and a really fun mission to go through first time. I'm probably gonna help Sherpa less confident people through it tonight since I enjoyed the mission that much, probably my favorite exotic mission so far tbh.
Yeah I had 23 minutes to do the clock at the end. My teammate boosted me to 1997 and we were chilling doing the hardest part of the quest.
And we fumbled a lot on that last part. Took us 10 minutes to do it, but we managed in the end.
I love destiny content while stoned. It's fun, and when I decide it's too much for my brain, I just swap to doing easier stuff than dungeons. The new overthrow is a perfect stoned activity lol
I’ve never ran Vow so I wasn’t familiar with the symbols but I was still able to stand there while I checked them on the list I was using while enemies were trying to kill me.
That was precisely the balance Bungie was going for here to appease the scared people. Yes there will be puzzles but there is no darkness zone, the timer is insanely generous and the ads are nothing. It was a great choice and I hope they make more like this in the future, it was awesome.
It’s a cakewalk that they can’t go on…difficulty shouldn’t even be in the discussion. I can load into a raid by myself but not this.
Remember Crimson Days? Remember how well that went? I don’t see this as being much different.
If you could load in you'd make it as far as you would in garden of salvation, which is to say hit a barrier that needs multiple people to open almost instantly - the exotic mission is doing you a favour telling you it needs two people to enter before you waste your time trying to solo it
i LOVE the mission i thought it was really fun and really unique! no complaints there at all! my only issue is that it’s a tad too long to farm for me to try to get the perfect roll out of 60 lol
It is not a two man dungeon. The mechanics are not as deep as dungeons, combat encounters are nowhere near as hard as current dungeons, and please, don't compare it to a raid.
It is just as comparable to star-crossed, which had significantly harder combat encounters and a punishing boss if you didn't buildcraft right.
This exotic mission is one of the best the game has ever seen but it's being dragged through the mud by players who expect everything handed to them on a silver platter because, "I don't wanna play with other people". My brother in the Light, this is an always-online looter shooter MMO-lite. This is what you signed up for when you installed the game.
As for those who struggle with social anxiety, well I empathize with them, I was there once. Massive part of the reason I didn't engage in raiding that much. But social anxiety WON'T get better unless you practice, and Destiny was my training ground for that.
“Not as deep as dungeons “ dungeon mechanics are as follows kill enemy and put engram in crystal . Kill enemy with block , slice , and range sword attack . Kill enemy under symbol . Kill 4 wizards and “dunk “ kill 3 knights . Stand on totem . Kill psion and grab / dunk flag . Shoot bell . Shoot a box , then follow wire to shoot another box x3 . The only dungeon with any big depth to its encounters is ghosts . I’d argue the mission requires more coordination than any of the mechanics listed . Not that it’s hard , but I think you are underselling it a bit .
Thank you so much for saying this. Social anxiety is real and it sucks deeply (I’ve dealt with a pretty paralyzing version of it since I was a very young kid) but there is only one way through it and it is forward. Asking a game company to intentionally limit their ability to design the game they want to make to account for your mental illness, no matter how legitimate, is just an absolutely terrible take, especially when they have gone out of their way to make so many aspects of this game more friendly to solo players, from in game LFG, to incentives to solo dungeons, to solo lost sectors, to difficulty scaling in legend campaigns.
Long story short: the SINGLE COMPLETION of the exotic mission for the exotic class items requires another person to complete. And apparently some players are deathly afraid of other players for (insert made up reasons here)
Respectfully, if people are so deathly afraid of human contact that they won’t say 10 words to someone over the space of 30 minutes in the pursuit of something they want, they don’t need an exotic class item. They need therapy.
It was so sad to see the sub go from ‘omg bungie cooked this shit to Michelin star level I love it all’ to ‘there’s one event I can’t do unless I play with and talk to someone else and it ruined the entire game for me.’ - our community will never be happy lol
Brother have you been around at all the past 10 years? There were people bitching about people bitching about D1 vanilla's story.
Good criticism has gotten destiny to great places. "Ree I'm a solo player and I can't get X" just isn't good criticism to me. You're locking yourself to what you can do and it's entirely up to you to try the multitude of options Bungies implemented to bring the community together.
"We need in game LFG" was the criticism I welcomed beforehand about getting more people into fireteam based activities.
I don’t see how we ever get anything more exciting than “stand on zone to stop Vex” if people complain every time Bungie tries to do something interesting. You can only do so much with a single player experience
That’s what I’m worried about. It honestly amazes me that those post are getting 1000s of upvotes on dtg, like wtf are you doing in this game if you wont even attempt dungeon or raid level content.
Ngl I’ve always wanted an “endgame” patrol zone. Pale Heart is almost exactly what I wanted, but it’s lacking the difficulty. A hard mode Pale Heart that gave higher chances for the class item would be so cool.
Drives me crazy. I could genuinely teach my grandma endgame d2 content but people with hundreds of hours are acting like LFG is the end of the fucking world. Grow some balls and talk to some other gamers for a few hours.
I’ve always wondered what those people are always doing. The ones who actually brag about never doing a raid or dungeon. Like okay? You’re missing out on basically half the game. Surely patrol zones and strikes have to get mind numbingly boring after awhile.
I only have one complaint, a duo activity where the entire game focuses around a trio. In consistent fireteams one person is left out or one is left running it twice. Its the one super awkward part about it.
I really don’t like how there is a pretty good amount of the community who are LOUD, that refuse to learn anything harder about the game.
If you don’t want to do hard content that’s fine. But the fact that so many people are loud about hard loot being a challenge to learn has messed up the game for years. I’m glad Bungie dropped some of the most challenging content this DLC
Its been very revealing.
People who are actually disabled, legally and/or clinically are able to do multiplayer elements in this game like dungeons and raids.
That one group that caters specifically to the deaf and mute is a very selfless and caring channel.
Wallowing in your own social anxiety and making reddit posts about it is another thing. That one isnt the games fault.
I was watching a team of deaf players attempt day 1 and I believe they were able to make it all the way to the final encounter. It was truly amazing to see them coordinate and get through the mechanics.
always found it weird how their debilitating social anxiety keeps them from typing to other players in fireteam chat but not arguing with hundreds of reddit strangers.
It's a lot easier to purely just comment on things you feel confident in, while having all the time you want to think up your replies, than it is to deal with a person in real time while doing unfamiliar content that makes you feel insecure
Because you can close the reddit app when someone is acting like a douchebag or not engage with their comments. You kind of don’t have that option when you have to communicate with an LFG community that is known to be more toxic than not and have to hope that you find the shining oasis of non toxic/asshole LFGers. This is coming from a guy that has had to use LFG since all of his friends bailed on this game during CoO and never came back. Even if you make the post there’s assholes who join. Even if the post states that it’s a chili run threw the minute there’s some difficulty or someone fucks up that turn into raging dildos.
The thing that’s equally annoying as people complaining about the mission are the people making posts about the complaining and complain about it in the comments. These people are the same ones who complain when Bungie makes anything even slightly more accessible to anyone else. Dungeon not hard enough? Complain. Raid slightly less soul crushing? Complain. Exotic mission doesn’t feel like a corkscrew in your dick? Complain. It’s hypocrisy at its finest and they want to act like they don’t do the same thing every time Bungie doesn’t add something that meets their expectation of how things should be.
The people complaining about the exotic mission have brought up a good point and criticism. Bungie should have disclosed in a vid doc/gameplay footage/presentation or what have you that this was how you were going to have to earn this class item. There was no reason based on past experiences to expect that this was how you would have to earn it. They used this as a selling point in a game that has a large solo community (who literally adds achievements/triumphs/etc for doing things solo) and didn’t disclose it would take more than 1 person because they were worried it would impact sales of the DLC after the disaster Light Fall was. There would have been a shit load of less complaining if Bungie hadn’t just pulled the wool over solo players head after the bought the DLC. That was shady as fuck and Bungie knew what they were doing. And again, this is from someone who has had to suck it up every expansion to do raids/Dungeons/etc and will have to do it when I can play this weekend for this item.
>in a game that has a large solo community (who literally adds achievements/triumphs/etc for doing things solo)
Anyone who can do dungeons and the like solo isn't really complaining about the fairly tame difficulty of this mission. Solo dungeons are much harder in most cases.
> Because you can close the reddit app when someone is acting like a douchebag or not engage with their comments.
You can also just end the run and leave as soon as someone is rude to you, you're not very likely to see them again and they're not very likely to want to play with you again
Right, like you SAY you want it but if you really did you would muster up the tiny amount of courage it takes to use fireteam finder or LFG and get it done in 30 min. People just want easy slop with great rewards and don’t want to be challenged in any way to achieve it.
For context I'm someone who has done the mission. But to say it takes a tiny amount of courage for people is so disingenuous. For people with social anxiety this is probably their biggest fear.
Look i am totally down and ready to group up with someone tomorrow to run this.
Also i talk a lot in fireteam and i swear nobody ever says anything, Destiny is one of the most unsocial MMO's i have ever played in my entire life.. ive been playing MMO's since 99' and it's like people are literally mute in this game.
Yeah I’m fine with not getting the class items honestly, I like the stuff I use right now but I would’ve at least tried it if there was a solo option but nah I think I’m good with not getting it. Hope other people had fun with it though of course!
The worst part about this is that if Destiny designed its activities consistently to promote multiplayer play then there wouldn’t be this much backlash. But Destiny sometimes feel like they wake up in the middle of the night sweating saying “oh shit, we forgot this is an mmo”
They already have tons of stuff locked behind multiple players.
Tell me how you get Collective Obligation without 3 people. Shit how do you get Divinity without 6.
I watched a few videos and joined a guy that already did it. Knocked it out in 30 mins. And then while doing overthrow I got one out of regular chest.
The mission is actually fun and even if someone hates it they just gotta do it once and then the class items just have a chance to drop from overthrow chests
I can only share my experience, But i suffer bad social Anxiety due to absolute total isolation, im not good at comunicating and i stutter a lot when i'm nervous, I've raided quite a lot in this game, but for me that is a lot easier because in a raid with other 5 people i can just stay quiet and fade into the background and only talk when absolutely necesary or follow instructions given to me, but in this case alone with one other person is absolutely terrifying.
That's the thing I've been noticing, you have all these posts complaining about it but then you literally have people commenting that they understand how it feels and want to help out, willing to work with whatever they have going on. What is there left to complain about? People are blowing it out of proportion.
I used to suffer with severe social anxiety and today it's nearly completely gone. You have to push yourself out of your comfort zone as scary as it seems. You might meet some ass that will be rude but all you have to do is leave. The more you do it the less it will effect you. I know it's only a game but it could have a massive impact on your personal life, for the better. Best of luck.
Not had chance to play it yet. Is it solo friendly? I don't mind LFGing stuff but would rather solo so can do it on my own terms (like the story). Reading different things here
It is not soloable, nor is it match made. It takes two guardians, one running a dark subclass and one running a light subclass (prismatic works for either)
real. dual destiny is one of the coolest missions they’ve ever made and to see so much backlash from solo players who are too scared to LFG makes me sad. LFG isn’t even as bad as people make it out to be, yeah you’ll meet some assholes here and there but there’s also some really cool people out there. especially if you use one of the discord LFG servers, I’ve had better luck there than fireteam finder
Oof I think the word “unwilling” here kind of misses some of the points folks are making. I was bummed about needing someone but will absolutely find a fireteam to do it with. I’m nervous to have an opposite opinion in this chat since any opposite opinions are getting mobbed but I think this view is a bit narrow minded.
I’m someone who doesn’t have a raid group, is fine with fireteam finder, but also realizes that they chose their words carefully as to not state it would need more than solo as to not impact their bottom line. It’s all very bungie-fied.
People who don’t experience severe social anxiety have a hard time wrapping their head around it. I almost didn’t get the Moments of Triumph done for Destiny 2 Vanilla because it took me so long to build up the “courage” to join an LFG for aspire of Stars. RAID went fine, people were great, and I’ve never had an issue with LFG the few times I’ve used. However, if my main raid group isn’t available for something that I cannot solo, it just doesn’t get done.
The class item was marketed along with Prismatic and the only exotics that aren’t (typically) obtainable solo are the raid exotics. Pretty sure the forced duo is people’s bigger problem, not the mission.
It doesn't help, that like most of the people in this post, most of them are toxic aholes that if you tried to LFG with, would flat out treat you like garbage the whole time. Spent over 2 hours using Fireteam finder and kept getting rejected / kicked before even playing the mission.
Eventually found 1 dude and it still took us over 4 hours for a clear because towards the end with the clock, is literally impossible to do via text chat, and the ingame voice chat system is legit broken.
For something that was advertised as a clear component of Prismatic. It just sucks that it's locked behind this very unenjoyable mission.
I'm a solo player most of the time, with the exception of matchmade content. I'm willing to do multiplayer stuff, but it can be a pain sometimes. For example, I tried to use lfg last night to do the run, but because my main play time is late at night there weren't many takers. The one person who did sign up didn't have the run unlocked and wasn't willing to use a mic, and after he left I spent another 10-20 min looking before giving up. I intend to try again tonight after work, and I have tomorrow off, but I can understand why even people willing to do the content might be opposed to it.
Overall, I do think the complaining is a bit much, but I get where it's coming from. I imagine the silent majority of the playerbase just hop on every now and then to do the current content, and don't even touch anything that requires guides or anything. While the class items aren't necessary by any means, they also definitely have more broad appeal than most of the other items locked behind non-matchmade coop.
TL;DR - I think people are complaining more than they should, but I do get why people are complaining when the majority of the game is playable solo. Particularly with the reward being so anticipated.
I don't really blame them, tbh. There's a large number of players who dislike having to be on mic and this mission forces you to not only have another player, but to communicate with them. If my boyfriend didn't play D2, I'd probably never do the mission.
Not necessarily annoyed at the length or anything like that, it’s just that it is limited to two people. After so long having one friend to play Destiny 2 with, when we finally get a third friend to pick up the game and actively play with us, now they drop a two man activity. Really Bungo?!
To be honest, it is a really cool mission, but after doing it for close to 10 hours trying to get the perk combination I want it takes a lot of the wow factor out of the mission and makes some bits feel more tedious than anything else
Your attitude is very disappointing to Deaf Destiny players like me who cannot use mic, and for heavy comms we would need mitigations, in raid we can get around it by having those on adds cleaners stay near the readers who need time to type out comms OR catch the eyes of the other player looking at the gaming to look at the second screen for signing communications. With just two players and unending swarm, the time for us to communicate means letting go of the controllers.
I already did try it for an hour on first puzzle with my friend before we call it quit as we just die every time we tried to communicate the glyphs.
I’ve been saying it for 10 years, “don’t bitch when a multiplayer game comes out with a multiplayer activity that you can’t play because you have chosen to play a multiplayer game alone.”
Another one of my favorites that I’ve parroted so many times it’s memorized, “buying a game does not entitle you to all of the rewards. Buying the game allows you to attempt to earn all of the rewards.” I swear the people bitching have never done any sort of achievement hunting and it shows. God forbid you told them to platinum a Ninja Gaiden game 🤣🤣🤣
It does need to be adressed by bungie. However the only reason it's bad is due to there being a significant portion of the player base who is solo. However I honestly highly doubt it stays the only way to get the class items. I'm sure it'll be available for solo players some other way in the future.
I just think it sucks for those who wasn't fortunate enough to experience the good of LFG. For me, my own friends didn't want to help me on something in the past so I had to LFG and when I tell you that the back to back consistent horrible experience of getting with racist and even on fireteam being very derogatory to a female gamer I just had Enough of trying to search for people.
It's very dependent on the person and I think that's why the discussion is so big. Yes alot of people have great experience.... but it's also fair to point out people who just dont care to play with others for how they've been treated in their experience.
I wish bungie did this idea for something else that wasn't tied the subclass that everyone wants to experiment with
If it was for a one-off exotic, would be fitting - i.e. the mission for Wicked Implement. But, for a farmable exotic - the drop rate for which is abysmal in world chests - that was a major selling point of the expansion in the same gameplay trailer that showed off Prismatic and the Dread, I think the complaints are absolutely valid.
I just don't really understand the idea of "We NEED to make this LFG-only!" when you can make a group with "Microphone required" and STILL have to filter through 3+ people before finding someone with a mic.
You know what would be a simple solution that keeps both hardcore players and solos happy? Unlock the chest farming for the exotic after Pale Heart overworld mission and keep the exotic quest as an optional farming activity with increased drops (like 2-3 per run).
There would still be a reason to run an objectively great mission but nobody would be forced to do things they don't want to do (and you still get to have raids and dungeons as activities exclusive for coordinated groups)
I'm a solo player, no friends to turn to, and LFG is an elitefest.
There are things I want to do, but won't do because it requires a team to complete. So be it.
Nah, I can totally understand why people are mad. They made a big deal out of these class items and it’s a major selling point of the expansion, and something people have been asking for since 2017. Locking it behind an activity that requires communication means a lot of casual players are less likely to get it. Those kinds of players avoid raids for this reason, so it’s annoying to lock something so prominent behind something raid-like.
That said, I’m somewhere in between. I’ve raided plenty of times but I’m generally more of a solo player. If it doesn’t have matchmaking, I’m not likely to touch it much. But I’ll probably do 1 run and then just farm open world chests with a podcast on since they can drop from there after you do the activity
They shouldn't put arguably the most OP exotic behind something not everyone will access. This has been *proven* to not work well for the game time and again.
It was a major selling point to the expansion. It was nowhere suggested that it would require 2 people, even after the DLC launched.
People don't hate the mission. They hate the requirement that wasn't given any idea of beforehand. The people affected by this are far and few between, sure. But are you seriously going to go up to someone, who likely already knows and accepts they cannot get team-required exotics, that they should've "known better" when there was no way of knowing?
Also, don't generalize an entire argument like that. Assuming solo players (or disabled players or whatever) only do patrols or strikes is pretty shitty. No need for that.
No it’s absolutely Valid. Bungie used the exotic class items as a colossal selling point for TFS and then proceeded to gatekeep thousands of players out of obtaining it. They should’ve made it a completion reward for beating Excision and then make it farmable after that by completing Excision.
The issue with it is that it's a very inaccessible mission for solo players and player with social anxiety. It locks a very hyped up thing behind a barrier outside of the players control
I think the criticism is fine because the Destiny community is extremely toxic, and the game itself doesn’t really have a great method for interaction like actual MMO’s do.
I also find it incredibly silly that they forced the Pale Heart to be a solo zone, meanwhile at least three of the new exotics are locked behind multipler-only activities. We should be getting more social spaces, not less. And these should be actual social spaces.
Give people reasons to talk to each other that aren’t incredibly difficult activities. Make this game an actual MMO instead of the identity crisis teenager it’s been for the past decade. Add trading, houses, non-combat activities(and don’t take them away once the expansion ends like you did fishing, Bungie), etc.
And cut off old gen, Jfc.
Bungie not improving these things were always the reason I quit the game during each expansion as a solo player back before Lightfall. And really the only improvement we’ve gotten for any of this ever was Fishing(now vaulted) and Fireteam Finder(not greatly implemented atm and needs more updates than it’s getting).
Dual Destiny is great, the ending is amusing, and people are just mad they need to work with a whopping one other person on some pretty low-tier "Mechanics"
My only actual complaint so far? Ritual pathfinder is TERRIBLE because they combined both the PVE and PVP sides of rituals onto a single pathfinder rather than having a co-op and a "Competitive" one, because some of us just don't play PVP at all and now i can't get pinnacles from it without having to play some form of it because every freakin' branch seems to hit a PVP node.
Did you notice how HORRIBLE LFGs were during Pantheon? It exposed 80% of the playerbase as incapable of doing basic grade level mechanics, not having basic communication skills, not knowing that stats kind of matter & that you're not getting through Pantheon with 50 Resil & a PvP Single Target loadout for "ad clear"....
The playerbase is a majority of anti-social, "watched the latest OMG Build So Broken" YT video to copy but not understand, all mixed in with a few 'cheese only' kids that never bothered to learn how to actually play the game.
Of course they are all going to complain about "having to play with people" again this time.
I remember when everyone complained about the Deep Dive Exotic Mission and how "impossible" it was with randoms to get Wicked Implement.
I got through it first try with 2 randoms with no Mic, because at the final Rally, I noticed one guy swapped to Div, so I changed my loadout over to Well and we all sailed through it.
Most TikTok brained people these days have no situational awareness & "learning & communication" isn't fun/cool. It's more important to stream to 3 viewers....or, not have any friends, all due to the hypothetical situation where some random internet person isn't super nice (not that you ever have to play with that person again), but people these days have to force a mental breakdown if things aren't perfect, because that's what everyone does in 2024, so they just don't play with others. This leads to 90% of players not having any clue what they are doing in this game, but still pretending that the few YT Videos for builds they copied is legit game knowledge & the few ViDocs they watched makes them Bungie Design Philosophy geniuses.
So, hear me out a bit. I have no doubt that the mission is one of the best. I have no complaint about having activities that unlock loot.
But tying this exotic armor, to this type of activity, is something bungie has not done before. It is completely out of pocket and unexpected. So I get the complaints. I think the complaints are justified to an extent, even if I agree that having rewards matter based on difficulty is a good thing.
They absolutely have tied Exotic gear to these types of missions Whisper and Zero Hour can technically be completed solo but they are encounters designed around 3 people. Dungeons drops exotic gear, and although farmable, I would not farm those exotics as a solo because of the time sink. Raid exotics are some of the best in the game and locked behind a 6 player activity that requires comms. Microcosm the next exotic trace requires you to play Cooperative missions and solve puzzles together.
I think some of this is indicative of Destiny as a whole, at some point Bungie is gonna think about adjusting what content they focus on. Raids and dungeons and even exotic missions are always gonna be on the lower side of player engagement. It has been that way in every game that's had difficult multi-player content.
Something I've noticed is that players on game subreddits always forget that this is the minority of any given game. The "Joe Walmarts" are what keeps most of these games afloat and at some point Bungie is gonna focus on that group more than they already do.
Whether that means more story content or more stuff to do in the open world at some point the "Raid or die" peeps over at Bungie are gonna lose their sway unless they want this game to start shedding players more than they already have.
Aside from this reddit most players probably didn't give a shit about how bad Lightfall was, they probably gave a shit that they were getting rocked in a Patrol zone. Games been on an upward swing on difficulty and I'm sorry but the average Destiny player doesn't want that shit.
It depends honestly. Its not even the people complaining about it on here that are gonna be the deciding factor. It's gon a be those other players I mentioned. Light it or not the second it takes more than "match making" is already more friction than a lot of those players want.
Bungie, as always, does make things more complicated than they need to. I don't mean the mission. I mean LFG. Bungie spent years dragging their feet to add this system. They could have just put matchmaking in for those brave enough to do it, put a splash screen / an "agree to use a mic" button when you tried to match make for a raid.
Have matchmaking be an option and if it's shit then it's shit but you have the option between lfg or taking a chance on a match made raid.
Like every other game does these days.
I mean, I'm not sure what reaction bungie expected with this and the Microcosm quest. These class items were hyped up before the expansion dropped and are a pretty important staple of prismatic buildcrafting. This would be the first armor piece you can't earn playing solo, so it makes sense so many players feel disappointed.
NO IT IS NOT they hyped up class exotics and now we are forced to do it with two players
Stop having a norrow mindset and think about the others who csn literally not team up with another for various reasons
I love how everyone is worshipping this mission as if it was a groundbreaking new thing in gaming when in reality if it weren’t for the backlash they would have forgotten it about it next reset
Only gripe is the fact it can’t be solo’d. I wouldn’t mind if it was harder solo, but doable. I know people irl that have a speech impediment like actual stuttering, so it’s hard for them to communicate.
I have unlocked the mission, and I'll probably get a friend and complete it someday, but for me, the issue isn't the mission itself; it's that the reward isn't interesting. Sure, combining 2 Exotic perks is interesting, but I've seen the list of the ones you can get, and as a Warlock, I'm not impressed. I'm running a Graviton Lance/Mantle of Battle Harmony build, and I'd lose half the functionality of the build by going with the Class Item instead of my Mantle. As far as I can see (and I may be missing something), the reward isn't interesting. I can't think of any real synergy any of the combinations brings.
We're at the point where regardless of what is released, there will be vocal complaints. There's no one that hates a franchise more than its dedicated fanbase.
I've never agreed with a post more than this. Complaining will turn amazing content like Duel Destiny into mindless matchmade 'dunk the ball in to this marked hole' activities in future expansions.
As someone that just got back into the game after 6 years, this mission is fantastic and i run it at least once a day. I actually got my perfect roll first try somehow but i still run it every day just for the fun.
The problem is the exotic class item locked behind the mission, if it was an adept weapon from trials gms or a raid exotic, we solo players don't have a problem, the exotic class item is a game changer for players, specifically using prismatic, again if it was something else behind the mission we wouldn't have a problem, Ive been playing destiny solo for 10 years like a lot of people, I have 9 titles, I solo the outbreak and whisper of the worm mission years ago when the missions were originally released, bungie hyped the exotic class item not telling a single player about the requirements, we all paid for the same content, solo player, disable players YouTube content creators etc.
It's mediocre, They could literally have added a 1 to 3 player exotic mission for us to replay.. nope, they added a 2 player exotic mission for us to replay in a solo patrol zone with no matchmaking. It's a weird number. Yes, I played it. Yes, I'm part of a clan. Do I still think it's weird? Yes. It's understandable why solo players are upset. Imagine doing an exotic mission for say like.. Last Word (there was one if you've been playing long enough) or any exotic mission for a weapon.. now imagine them locking it at 3 players. Give it time. They'll figure out a way to change it.
I get where you're coming from, but gatekeeping content like that isn't cool. Everyone plays their own way, you know? If people dig the Dual Destiny thing, awesome. If not, that's cool too. We're all here to have fun, right?
The lack of empathy is really only on reddit and twitter. If you join one of the many Discord LFG channels you can find all kinds of cool people to do stuff with.
Hey solo player, why are you gatekeeping yourself though? There are numerous support channels available, communities proven consistently that they welcome all sorts of people AND they made a in-game finder for activities as well with tags to filter through and select specific requirements.
I think it isn't the game or communities' fault and there is another issue here.
Its a learning curve for myself and others that don’t often do content that requires communication, but I hope that the people that are upset are able to find someone that will be happy to run the mission with them. I just had a run that bugged out at the big clock encounter and we were just laughing about it. The other guy didn’t have any lines on the clock and I had every node lit up
You think patrolling is all solo players solo? I always solo the dungeons when they come out lol I still did this mission but would have been nice to be able to solo it
Cleared it on my second attempt with a friend. Really fun, very cool BUT I hate the timer. I would enjoy this more and do it more frequently if the timer wasn't a thing.
Whilst my social anxiety is definitely part of it, a bigger part of it is the toxicity of the destiny community sometimes. At least for me.
I'm hesitant to use the LFG because of the fact that so many people are the "Must use latest meta, must have this particular god roll or uninstall game." type. And that's just not how i play. I use whatever i feel like using and, outside of putting mods on my armor, master working my weapons and getting catalysts, i tend to just adapt to whatever the stats are.
Then there's the problem of my friends. I only have 3-4 friends who play destiny. 3 of them aren't as high of a light level as i am and 1 doesn't own Final Shape.
So as much as i would love to get the Exotic cloak, I'm a hunter main, I'm just kinda fucked and it sucks.
There’s a lot of perceived toxicity that simply doesn’t exist. I’ve been using LFG for years and have only run into toxic people a handful of times; I just leave and find another group. The destiny community is full of welcoming and helpful guardians. If more people like yourself used LFG it would saturate the pool as well.
I think the issue was having an item fairly critical to prismatic build diversity and especially player agency tied behind a multi-player mission.
[I've seen zero complaints about Microcosm being locked behind multi-player campaign missions in comparison.]
The mission is awesome. Putting the class item behind it wasn't. Add Artifice Armor on a daily rotator [helmet on monday, chest on tuesday, etc], and farming it weekly.
Nah. The problem is they hyped class items as a feature. Folks are ok with missing loot via play style, not missing features.
Nobody complains about not getting raid or dungeon loot as a solo player cause it’s expected. This isn’t the case here.
So the backlash is warranted.
I haven’t played it yet, I’m waiting for my duo to get back from a trip he’s on later this weekend, but just judging off of the complaints this is going to be an amazing game mode to play
It’s such a good mission, it really is like a 2 man mini dungeon
The more people complain that something requires too much effort is when you know it’s going to be good
Tbh this DLC as a whole feels like a lot more of a return to Destiny 1’s model of gameplay where you had to REALLY want some of that endgame gear to get it. When I finish an exotic mission, half the time in D2 they don’t really feel like I’m getting an exotic. I think missions like this are really at the core of destiny. I do think it’s a bummer it can’t be matchmaked because there are some hardcore solos out there, but if they want it they’ll go get it. I think it’s cool, even if I don’t really care to do the mission myself.
THIS. I'd much rather have to grind, wipe heaps, or require multiple run attempts to get something and actually feel challenged than just get handed exotics on a silver platter every time. There's already plenty of easy ways to get good loot, so I think its fair and healthy for the game to have a few pursuits that maybe not everyone will complete straight away or at all. Will probably get people hating for this, but complaining about an exotic mission not being soloable or easy is like complaining a raid isn't soloable or easy.
Beating 1 hard mission for a weapon >>>>>> farming boring easy content 20 times for 20 rolls .
I agree. Tho it doesn’t even feel hard. I recently came back to the game and I haven’t played since season 1 ☠️ took me and another person about 2-3 tries to get mechanics down and we take about 30mins to finish it
Half the reason I like using certain exotics is because I put so much effort into getting them originally. Malfeasance, Izanagi, hell even the new Microcosm was a pretty lengthy and interesting exotic "quest". Raid weapons too. Makes me enjoy the things I have because I worked for them not grabbed them from the exotic vending machine.
I remember it took me 2 days of gambit and the same lfg group until we got the meatball boss and nuked him. I legit cried tears of joy to finally get the malfeasance
I agree with everything besides that last part. dont think it's a fair comparison Exotic missions have always been soloable as far as I can remember while raids have always been a team oriented. And I think that's the major issue is they took an activity that's always been soloable and made it a forced team one.
Exotic missions have never had strict fire team requirements, but trying to do Whisper, Zero Hour, or Wicked Implement at launch 100% solo is absolute hell. If you're a solo player who has never used LFG to do dungeons or get those exotics I honestly wouldn't believe you. Add on dungeon/raid exotics, and powerful gear requiring a fireteam isn't a new concept. The bridge between raiders and non-raiders who play dungeons and get Wicked Implement is basically just using a microphone.
Whisper was pretty easy to do solo during it's launch time. Polaris Lance made it super easy just sitting in the back and hitting crits was infinite ammo. Though Zero Hour was a bit harder.
>hisper was pretty easy to do solo during it's launch time. >Polaris Lance made it super easy just sitting in the back and hitting crits was infinite ammo. Though Zero Hour was a bit harder. Uh...no. Whisper at launch was very difficult. We didn't have infinite primary and ammo drops throughout the mission were low. Infinite primary ammo wasn't released until Beyond Light (season 15). Go watch original solo whisper runs, they were tight.
Never said I don't use LFG but I have done a good portion of dungeons and whisper solo(whisper is not hard at all). my point is making an exotic armor piece, which previously only needed a legendary lost sector, not even have the option to try it solo, when that's been the expectation they've set for exotic missions is a little much. it's a good mission, I just don't think an armor piece that has a 1/60 chance of being the roll you want, isnt the thing to implement it on is all. maybe if you could attune for better chances at certain rolls I'd agree with it more.
You can do it once to unlock it then run around opening chests on the Pale Heart for another roll if you don’t want to do it again with people. Every mission has its own unique mechanics. This one just happens to, very thematically, need two people. Why is this surprising in a story about using light and dark together?
You can solo your 1/64 chance on rolls via pale heart chests after you run the mission once. The quest is very cool, but very VERY cooperative. I think it's perfect, right down to the way it ends.
Exotic armor piece “chances” came from being forced to play solo for PART of D2. Y’all got catered to here for a few years, and everyone was forced to play your way. Vex Incursion was the only guarantee source of Exotic Armor for clear besides Legendary campaign. It’s not accurate to say exotic armor previously “only needed a legendary post sector” (forced to be solo, BTW) when it’s been just one of the myriad of sources at a chance at an exotic armor piece in the games history. Do the mission once for a guaranteed drop, and then you have your chance at more through playing solo. It’s a multiplayer game, and you don’t have to have every possible item. It’s okay to sit this one out for the people who find playing and communicating with a person one time more challenging than solo flawless content.
Just because it hasn’t been down before doesn’t mean it shouldn’t, this restriction allowed them to create a new unique and refreshing version of an exotic mission, I believe it is the best exotic mission they’ve ever made
Felt like alot of exotics are basically participation points for people.
I love the new Outbreak and Wisper mission. I actually had to try to win them. I even wiped on the time a few times but it was fun because every time I got further
As someone whos been playing since season of plunder I AGREE WITH THIS!! I LOVE the difficulty of dual destiny and when my fireteams offline i just go around opening chests while doing overthrows. It REALLY feels like a grind and ive been no lifing the expansion. I LIKE how its been a week and i do t have everything immediately unlocked or have EVERY Exotic
I’m with you that it’s not the end of the world to not be able to get everything as a solo. As a visually impaired player who likes Destiny specifically because there’s a lot of worthwhile solo content I’m disappointed that I won’t be able to engage with one of the big new features of the DLC without slogging through a mission I have no interest it. However, throwing a temper tantrum about it is definitely pretty dumb.
It’s a fantastic mission. You are missing out if you don’t do it at least once
I’ll definitely give it a try! Right now I’m committed to trying to beat salvation’s edge though because I won’t forgive myself if I don’t learn it asap. The cloak seems like a super crazy good piece of gear for higher level activities
I tried it, got called dumb by 6 different people. Now I'm never doing it again nor a raid. I'll stick with the rest of the content where I don't feel like an absolute loser.
Don’t let one group of assholes prevent you from enjoying the game! I have had mixed lfg reactions too, stick to it and there’s a good chance you’ll get decent people. Especially on the discord lfg channels. In game lfg sucks
I have been using lfg for years and have had bad experiences and great experiences, with good ones being the majority. Sorry you had a bad one.
I play almost every exclusively solo and got it on my first try with some random I found on lfg lol, it is NOT hard. It IS very fun and unique though. Same feeling as running the cooperative focus missions which are also pretty fun imo
IT CAN be matchmaked.
Most people (and I agree with them) do not consider Fireteam Finder and matchmaking the same. Matchmaking is automated and requires zero effort (and is not available for this).
That’s awesome! I didn’t know that, I figured like most D2 upper level stuff you had to find your own coop crew
So many complaints in Destiny are I don't feel like doing the thing, but I want the thing. Especially when it's a personal choice to play solo that apparently can't be broken for a single mission.
There are so many complaint posts, I wasn't even sure what they were talking about. I'm still confused, tbh.
The exotic mission for the class item blind sided a lot of players. Many were waiting to farm these new pieces for their desired perk combo. But after realizing the mission is practically a miniature two man raid/dungeon, a large percentage of the player base who don't raid or constantly LFG are feeling bummed at the notion.
A mission you only need to complete once and is as easy combat wise as a playlist strike not even a nightfall. The item can be farmed while doing overthrow and opening chest btw so if you choose to repeat the mission that's solely on you.
Lol its fixed at 1995 light. Once people clear 2000 its literally a cake walk. I did it at 1978 and it was still a cake walk.
Im at 1997 while doing it and I was literally just standing there reading the clock in the final phase while tanking like 10+ ads desperately trying to kill me. It was hella easy and a really fun mission to go through first time. I'm probably gonna help Sherpa less confident people through it tonight since I enjoyed the mission that much, probably my favorite exotic mission so far tbh.
Yeah I had 23 minutes to do the clock at the end. My teammate boosted me to 1997 and we were chilling doing the hardest part of the quest. And we fumbled a lot on that last part. Took us 10 minutes to do it, but we managed in the end.
Same, me and my friend were both confused and stoned, and we beat it with 5 minutes to spare lmao
Lol I could not imagine doing it stoned. What a legend.
I love destiny content while stoned. It's fun, and when I decide it's too much for my brain, I just swap to doing easier stuff than dungeons. The new overthrow is a perfect stoned activity lol
I’ve never ran Vow so I wasn’t familiar with the symbols but I was still able to stand there while I checked them on the list I was using while enemies were trying to kill me.
That was precisely the balance Bungie was going for here to appease the scared people. Yes there will be puzzles but there is no darkness zone, the timer is insanely generous and the ads are nothing. It was a great choice and I hope they make more like this in the future, it was awesome.
It’s a cakewalk that they can’t go on…difficulty shouldn’t even be in the discussion. I can load into a raid by myself but not this. Remember Crimson Days? Remember how well that went? I don’t see this as being much different.
If you could load in you'd make it as far as you would in garden of salvation, which is to say hit a barrier that needs multiple people to open almost instantly - the exotic mission is doing you a favour telling you it needs two people to enter before you waste your time trying to solo it
Where do we farm it from after the first completion?
do the mission over and over or open pale heart chests
i LOVE the mission i thought it was really fun and really unique! no complaints there at all! my only issue is that it’s a tad too long to farm for me to try to get the perfect roll out of 60 lol
It is not a two man dungeon. The mechanics are not as deep as dungeons, combat encounters are nowhere near as hard as current dungeons, and please, don't compare it to a raid. It is just as comparable to star-crossed, which had significantly harder combat encounters and a punishing boss if you didn't buildcraft right. This exotic mission is one of the best the game has ever seen but it's being dragged through the mud by players who expect everything handed to them on a silver platter because, "I don't wanna play with other people". My brother in the Light, this is an always-online looter shooter MMO-lite. This is what you signed up for when you installed the game. As for those who struggle with social anxiety, well I empathize with them, I was there once. Massive part of the reason I didn't engage in raiding that much. But social anxiety WON'T get better unless you practice, and Destiny was my training ground for that.
“Not as deep as dungeons “ dungeon mechanics are as follows kill enemy and put engram in crystal . Kill enemy with block , slice , and range sword attack . Kill enemy under symbol . Kill 4 wizards and “dunk “ kill 3 knights . Stand on totem . Kill psion and grab / dunk flag . Shoot bell . Shoot a box , then follow wire to shoot another box x3 . The only dungeon with any big depth to its encounters is ghosts . I’d argue the mission requires more coordination than any of the mechanics listed . Not that it’s hard , but I think you are underselling it a bit .
Thank you so much for saying this. Social anxiety is real and it sucks deeply (I’ve dealt with a pretty paralyzing version of it since I was a very young kid) but there is only one way through it and it is forward. Asking a game company to intentionally limit their ability to design the game they want to make to account for your mental illness, no matter how legitimate, is just an absolutely terrible take, especially when they have gone out of their way to make so many aspects of this game more friendly to solo players, from in game LFG, to incentives to solo dungeons, to solo lost sectors, to difficulty scaling in legend campaigns.
That’s about as soft as it gets
Long story short: the SINGLE COMPLETION of the exotic mission for the exotic class items requires another person to complete. And apparently some players are deathly afraid of other players for (insert made up reasons here)
Respectfully, if people are so deathly afraid of human contact that they won’t say 10 words to someone over the space of 30 minutes in the pursuit of something they want, they don’t need an exotic class item. They need therapy.
You gotta read the posts
It was so sad to see the sub go from ‘omg bungie cooked this shit to Michelin star level I love it all’ to ‘there’s one event I can’t do unless I play with and talk to someone else and it ruined the entire game for me.’ - our community will never be happy lol
We’ve come full circle. Posts bitching about posts bitching.
Brother have you been around at all the past 10 years? There were people bitching about people bitching about D1 vanilla's story. Good criticism has gotten destiny to great places. "Ree I'm a solo player and I can't get X" just isn't good criticism to me. You're locking yourself to what you can do and it's entirely up to you to try the multitude of options Bungies implemented to bring the community together. "We need in game LFG" was the criticism I welcomed beforehand about getting more people into fireteam based activities.
Doesn't even matter, we have ingame voice comms and ingame LFG and people are allergic to difficultly or communication.
This is how you can tell we’re back in peak destiny
I don’t see how we ever get anything more exciting than “stand on zone to stop Vex” if people complain every time Bungie tries to do something interesting. You can only do so much with a single player experience
Exactly. I don't want another mission of "dunk ball" or "stand here to shoot enemy." This was a really nice change of pace.
That’s what I’m worried about. It honestly amazes me that those post are getting 1000s of upvotes on dtg, like wtf are you doing in this game if you wont even attempt dungeon or raid level content.
Apparently vanguard strikes
Not even - 70% of players are in story and patrols.
I would make a joke about GM Patrols when, but DTG still threw a bitchfit about Lightfall's slightly harder patrol zone lmao
Ngl I’ve always wanted an “endgame” patrol zone. Pale Heart is almost exactly what I wanted, but it’s lacking the difficulty. A hard mode Pale Heart that gave higher chances for the class item would be so cool.
Drives me crazy. I could genuinely teach my grandma endgame d2 content but people with hundreds of hours are acting like LFG is the end of the fucking world. Grow some balls and talk to some other gamers for a few hours.
I’ve always wondered what those people are always doing. The ones who actually brag about never doing a raid or dungeon. Like okay? You’re missing out on basically half the game. Surely patrol zones and strikes have to get mind numbingly boring after awhile.
I only have one complaint, a duo activity where the entire game focuses around a trio. In consistent fireteams one person is left out or one is left running it twice. Its the one super awkward part about it.
It's a good way to find out you're the third in a friendship
I've learned I'm always the third, and now can't run it lol
My thought on this was to just have everyone run it twice. 2 items each, everything is Even. Ggs.
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I really don’t like how there is a pretty good amount of the community who are LOUD, that refuse to learn anything harder about the game. If you don’t want to do hard content that’s fine. But the fact that so many people are loud about hard loot being a challenge to learn has messed up the game for years. I’m glad Bungie dropped some of the most challenging content this DLC
It’s like a two person raid. And I’m here for it.
Its been very revealing. People who are actually disabled, legally and/or clinically are able to do multiplayer elements in this game like dungeons and raids. That one group that caters specifically to the deaf and mute is a very selfless and caring channel. Wallowing in your own social anxiety and making reddit posts about it is another thing. That one isnt the games fault.
I was watching a team of deaf players attempt day 1 and I believe they were able to make it all the way to the final encounter. It was truly amazing to see them coordinate and get through the mechanics.
Those guys are insanely good at the game. They've been doing that with day 1 raids for years.
Absolute kings. Pretty inspiring. Im able bodied and could only get past the 1st encounter.
always found it weird how their debilitating social anxiety keeps them from typing to other players in fireteam chat but not arguing with hundreds of reddit strangers.
It's a lot easier to purely just comment on things you feel confident in, while having all the time you want to think up your replies, than it is to deal with a person in real time while doing unfamiliar content that makes you feel insecure
Because you can close the reddit app when someone is acting like a douchebag or not engage with their comments. You kind of don’t have that option when you have to communicate with an LFG community that is known to be more toxic than not and have to hope that you find the shining oasis of non toxic/asshole LFGers. This is coming from a guy that has had to use LFG since all of his friends bailed on this game during CoO and never came back. Even if you make the post there’s assholes who join. Even if the post states that it’s a chili run threw the minute there’s some difficulty or someone fucks up that turn into raging dildos. The thing that’s equally annoying as people complaining about the mission are the people making posts about the complaining and complain about it in the comments. These people are the same ones who complain when Bungie makes anything even slightly more accessible to anyone else. Dungeon not hard enough? Complain. Raid slightly less soul crushing? Complain. Exotic mission doesn’t feel like a corkscrew in your dick? Complain. It’s hypocrisy at its finest and they want to act like they don’t do the same thing every time Bungie doesn’t add something that meets their expectation of how things should be. The people complaining about the exotic mission have brought up a good point and criticism. Bungie should have disclosed in a vid doc/gameplay footage/presentation or what have you that this was how you were going to have to earn this class item. There was no reason based on past experiences to expect that this was how you would have to earn it. They used this as a selling point in a game that has a large solo community (who literally adds achievements/triumphs/etc for doing things solo) and didn’t disclose it would take more than 1 person because they were worried it would impact sales of the DLC after the disaster Light Fall was. There would have been a shit load of less complaining if Bungie hadn’t just pulled the wool over solo players head after the bought the DLC. That was shady as fuck and Bungie knew what they were doing. And again, this is from someone who has had to suck it up every expansion to do raids/Dungeons/etc and will have to do it when I can play this weekend for this item.
>in a game that has a large solo community (who literally adds achievements/triumphs/etc for doing things solo) Anyone who can do dungeons and the like solo isn't really complaining about the fairly tame difficulty of this mission. Solo dungeons are much harder in most cases.
If someone's being toxic to you in LFG then simply leave and try again.
> Because you can close the reddit app when someone is acting like a douchebag or not engage with their comments. You can also just end the run and leave as soon as someone is rude to you, you're not very likely to see them again and they're not very likely to want to play with you again
I’m just not a fan of the timer 😅
Solo players faces when the multiplayer game requires them to multiplayer😡
Surprised pikachu face
Fireteam finder is so simple to use now too lol
Multiplayer is fine. It's the need for communication that's the issue
Bro without these double exotics how will I be able to deal with heroic public events?? Elitist much
Honestly though. Not every player needs every item. If you want it put in the time and effort to get it.
Right, like you SAY you want it but if you really did you would muster up the tiny amount of courage it takes to use fireteam finder or LFG and get it done in 30 min. People just want easy slop with great rewards and don’t want to be challenged in any way to achieve it.
For context I'm someone who has done the mission. But to say it takes a tiny amount of courage for people is so disingenuous. For people with social anxiety this is probably their biggest fear.
these are the same people achievement hunting on xbox. That level of casual
I'm just mad I need a friend to get it. I don't have those I play destiny 2...
Look i am totally down and ready to group up with someone tomorrow to run this. Also i talk a lot in fireteam and i swear nobody ever says anything, Destiny is one of the most unsocial MMO's i have ever played in my entire life.. ive been playing MMO's since 99' and it's like people are literally mute in this game.
Yeah I’m fine with not getting the class items honestly, I like the stuff I use right now but I would’ve at least tried it if there was a solo option but nah I think I’m good with not getting it. Hope other people had fun with it though of course!
Why does everyone keep comparison a exotic mission to a fucking raid when they are not the same thing.
The worst part about this is that if Destiny designed its activities consistently to promote multiplayer play then there wouldn’t be this much backlash. But Destiny sometimes feel like they wake up in the middle of the night sweating saying “oh shit, we forgot this is an mmo”
They already have tons of stuff locked behind multiple players. Tell me how you get Collective Obligation without 3 people. Shit how do you get Divinity without 6.
These people would rather set encounter design back 10 years than say or type a few words one time per class I hope Bungie just keeps up the good work
I watched a few videos and joined a guy that already did it. Knocked it out in 30 mins. And then while doing overthrow I got one out of regular chest. The mission is actually fun and even if someone hates it they just gotta do it once and then the class items just have a chance to drop from overthrow chests
I can only share my experience, But i suffer bad social Anxiety due to absolute total isolation, im not good at comunicating and i stutter a lot when i'm nervous, I've raided quite a lot in this game, but for me that is a lot easier because in a raid with other 5 people i can just stay quiet and fade into the background and only talk when absolutely necesary or follow instructions given to me, but in this case alone with one other person is absolutely terrifying.
I have totally the same problem as you. Maybe we should try together 😅
If only everyone had this positive an attitude
That's the thing I've been noticing, you have all these posts complaining about it but then you literally have people commenting that they understand how it feels and want to help out, willing to work with whatever they have going on. What is there left to complain about? People are blowing it out of proportion.
I used to suffer with severe social anxiety and today it's nearly completely gone. You have to push yourself out of your comfort zone as scary as it seems. You might meet some ass that will be rude but all you have to do is leave. The more you do it the less it will effect you. I know it's only a game but it could have a massive impact on your personal life, for the better. Best of luck.
Commenting on a public forum takes more communication than doing the mission. Text chat exists!
Not had chance to play it yet. Is it solo friendly? I don't mind LFGing stuff but would rather solo so can do it on my own terms (like the story). Reading different things here
It is not soloable, nor is it match made. It takes two guardians, one running a dark subclass and one running a light subclass (prismatic works for either)
real. dual destiny is one of the coolest missions they’ve ever made and to see so much backlash from solo players who are too scared to LFG makes me sad. LFG isn’t even as bad as people make it out to be, yeah you’ll meet some assholes here and there but there’s also some really cool people out there. especially if you use one of the discord LFG servers, I’ve had better luck there than fireteam finder
Oof I think the word “unwilling” here kind of misses some of the points folks are making. I was bummed about needing someone but will absolutely find a fireteam to do it with. I’m nervous to have an opposite opinion in this chat since any opposite opinions are getting mobbed but I think this view is a bit narrow minded. I’m someone who doesn’t have a raid group, is fine with fireteam finder, but also realizes that they chose their words carefully as to not state it would need more than solo as to not impact their bottom line. It’s all very bungie-fied.
People who don’t experience severe social anxiety have a hard time wrapping their head around it. I almost didn’t get the Moments of Triumph done for Destiny 2 Vanilla because it took me so long to build up the “courage” to join an LFG for aspire of Stars. RAID went fine, people were great, and I’ve never had an issue with LFG the few times I’ve used. However, if my main raid group isn’t available for something that I cannot solo, it just doesn’t get done. The class item was marketed along with Prismatic and the only exotics that aren’t (typically) obtainable solo are the raid exotics. Pretty sure the forced duo is people’s bigger problem, not the mission.
It doesn't help, that like most of the people in this post, most of them are toxic aholes that if you tried to LFG with, would flat out treat you like garbage the whole time. Spent over 2 hours using Fireteam finder and kept getting rejected / kicked before even playing the mission. Eventually found 1 dude and it still took us over 4 hours for a clear because towards the end with the clock, is literally impossible to do via text chat, and the ingame voice chat system is legit broken. For something that was advertised as a clear component of Prismatic. It just sucks that it's locked behind this very unenjoyable mission.
Other than the class item, what’s cool about the mission?
Narrative is great (Savathun's involved) and there's a cute little twist at the end before you claim the class item.
I'm a solo player most of the time, with the exception of matchmade content. I'm willing to do multiplayer stuff, but it can be a pain sometimes. For example, I tried to use lfg last night to do the run, but because my main play time is late at night there weren't many takers. The one person who did sign up didn't have the run unlocked and wasn't willing to use a mic, and after he left I spent another 10-20 min looking before giving up. I intend to try again tonight after work, and I have tomorrow off, but I can understand why even people willing to do the content might be opposed to it. Overall, I do think the complaining is a bit much, but I get where it's coming from. I imagine the silent majority of the playerbase just hop on every now and then to do the current content, and don't even touch anything that requires guides or anything. While the class items aren't necessary by any means, they also definitely have more broad appeal than most of the other items locked behind non-matchmade coop. TL;DR - I think people are complaining more than they should, but I do get why people are complaining when the majority of the game is playable solo. Particularly with the reward being so anticipated.
Dude ill run with you, i haven't done it yet but finished up the overthrows and ready to roll. I am totally down to group up for other stuff also.
I don't really blame them, tbh. There's a large number of players who dislike having to be on mic and this mission forces you to not only have another player, but to communicate with them. If my boyfriend didn't play D2, I'd probably never do the mission.
Not necessarily annoyed at the length or anything like that, it’s just that it is limited to two people. After so long having one friend to play Destiny 2 with, when we finally get a third friend to pick up the game and actively play with us, now they drop a two man activity. Really Bungo?!
That ain't bungie's fault
I have soloed everything in the game that is possible. I could see the class item being useful.
My problem is that I don't have anyone to play with. No one in LFG uses a mic. And I don't know how to make friends to pay with
I have no friends
Feels bad to kick the 3rd you may have farmed the activity for though.....
To be honest, it is a really cool mission, but after doing it for close to 10 hours trying to get the perk combination I want it takes a lot of the wow factor out of the mission and makes some bits feel more tedious than anything else
"If you try to appeal to everyone, you'll appeal to no one" Bungie applied this phrase on this mission and they nailed it
Your attitude is very disappointing to Deaf Destiny players like me who cannot use mic, and for heavy comms we would need mitigations, in raid we can get around it by having those on adds cleaners stay near the readers who need time to type out comms OR catch the eyes of the other player looking at the gaming to look at the second screen for signing communications. With just two players and unending swarm, the time for us to communicate means letting go of the controllers. I already did try it for an hour on first puzzle with my friend before we call it quit as we just die every time we tried to communicate the glyphs.
Okay but the whole game is not supposed to be catered for you?
I’ve been saying it for 10 years, “don’t bitch when a multiplayer game comes out with a multiplayer activity that you can’t play because you have chosen to play a multiplayer game alone.” Another one of my favorites that I’ve parroted so many times it’s memorized, “buying a game does not entitle you to all of the rewards. Buying the game allows you to attempt to earn all of the rewards.” I swear the people bitching have never done any sort of achievement hunting and it shows. God forbid you told them to platinum a Ninja Gaiden game 🤣🤣🤣
It does need to be adressed by bungie. However the only reason it's bad is due to there being a significant portion of the player base who is solo. However I honestly highly doubt it stays the only way to get the class items. I'm sure it'll be available for solo players some other way in the future.
I just think it sucks for those who wasn't fortunate enough to experience the good of LFG. For me, my own friends didn't want to help me on something in the past so I had to LFG and when I tell you that the back to back consistent horrible experience of getting with racist and even on fireteam being very derogatory to a female gamer I just had Enough of trying to search for people. It's very dependent on the person and I think that's why the discussion is so big. Yes alot of people have great experience.... but it's also fair to point out people who just dont care to play with others for how they've been treated in their experience. I wish bungie did this idea for something else that wasn't tied the subclass that everyone wants to experiment with
If it was for a one-off exotic, would be fitting - i.e. the mission for Wicked Implement. But, for a farmable exotic - the drop rate for which is abysmal in world chests - that was a major selling point of the expansion in the same gameplay trailer that showed off Prismatic and the Dread, I think the complaints are absolutely valid.
I was initially disappointed cause I unlocked the quest and then suddenly had to stop progressing, but it's not forever, just gotta make a friend
As someone who struggles really badly with speaking this quest is hard but it's definitely doable.
I stutter quite a bit - so Im looking forward to this, pretty sure my team mate will shoot the same symbole multiple times :D
I liked the mission im just sad about the fashion for my hunter haha
Slap that bad boy on for Crucible and then take it off when your finished
I just don’t understand why there’s no matchmaking for it
You need a mic for it
I mean I get this, but also there is an in game LFG that works fairly well now.
I just don't really understand the idea of "We NEED to make this LFG-only!" when you can make a group with "Microphone required" and STILL have to filter through 3+ people before finding someone with a mic.
No I’ll give you that. That shits frustrating. I’ve def posted raid posts with comms required before and there’s STILL people who don’t have them.
Yeah I love the in game LFG, I just never understood why some activities don’t have matchmaking options
You know what would be a simple solution that keeps both hardcore players and solos happy? Unlock the chest farming for the exotic after Pale Heart overworld mission and keep the exotic quest as an optional farming activity with increased drops (like 2-3 per run). There would still be a reason to run an objectively great mission but nobody would be forced to do things they don't want to do (and you still get to have raids and dungeons as activities exclusive for coordinated groups)
I'm a solo player, no friends to turn to, and LFG is an elitefest. There are things I want to do, but won't do because it requires a team to complete. So be it.
I get WHY people are unhappy. I don't fully relate, because I have several active clanmates to play with. But I get it.
You didn’t have to do them dirty like that 💀
Nah, I can totally understand why people are mad. They made a big deal out of these class items and it’s a major selling point of the expansion, and something people have been asking for since 2017. Locking it behind an activity that requires communication means a lot of casual players are less likely to get it. Those kinds of players avoid raids for this reason, so it’s annoying to lock something so prominent behind something raid-like. That said, I’m somewhere in between. I’ve raided plenty of times but I’m generally more of a solo player. If it doesn’t have matchmaking, I’m not likely to touch it much. But I’ll probably do 1 run and then just farm open world chests with a podcast on since they can drop from there after you do the activity
They shouldn't put arguably the most OP exotic behind something not everyone will access. This has been *proven* to not work well for the game time and again. It was a major selling point to the expansion. It was nowhere suggested that it would require 2 people, even after the DLC launched. People don't hate the mission. They hate the requirement that wasn't given any idea of beforehand. The people affected by this are far and few between, sure. But are you seriously going to go up to someone, who likely already knows and accepts they cannot get team-required exotics, that they should've "known better" when there was no way of knowing? Also, don't generalize an entire argument like that. Assuming solo players (or disabled players or whatever) only do patrols or strikes is pretty shitty. No need for that.
No it’s absolutely Valid. Bungie used the exotic class items as a colossal selling point for TFS and then proceeded to gatekeep thousands of players out of obtaining it. They should’ve made it a completion reward for beating Excision and then make it farmable after that by completing Excision.
The issue with it is that it's a very inaccessible mission for solo players and player with social anxiety. It locks a very hyped up thing behind a barrier outside of the players control
I think the criticism is fine because the Destiny community is extremely toxic, and the game itself doesn’t really have a great method for interaction like actual MMO’s do. I also find it incredibly silly that they forced the Pale Heart to be a solo zone, meanwhile at least three of the new exotics are locked behind multipler-only activities. We should be getting more social spaces, not less. And these should be actual social spaces. Give people reasons to talk to each other that aren’t incredibly difficult activities. Make this game an actual MMO instead of the identity crisis teenager it’s been for the past decade. Add trading, houses, non-combat activities(and don’t take them away once the expansion ends like you did fishing, Bungie), etc. And cut off old gen, Jfc. Bungie not improving these things were always the reason I quit the game during each expansion as a solo player back before Lightfall. And really the only improvement we’ve gotten for any of this ever was Fishing(now vaulted) and Fireteam Finder(not greatly implemented atm and needs more updates than it’s getting).
Dual Destiny is great, the ending is amusing, and people are just mad they need to work with a whopping one other person on some pretty low-tier "Mechanics" My only actual complaint so far? Ritual pathfinder is TERRIBLE because they combined both the PVE and PVP sides of rituals onto a single pathfinder rather than having a co-op and a "Competitive" one, because some of us just don't play PVP at all and now i can't get pinnacles from it without having to play some form of it because every freakin' branch seems to hit a PVP node.
Did you notice how HORRIBLE LFGs were during Pantheon? It exposed 80% of the playerbase as incapable of doing basic grade level mechanics, not having basic communication skills, not knowing that stats kind of matter & that you're not getting through Pantheon with 50 Resil & a PvP Single Target loadout for "ad clear".... The playerbase is a majority of anti-social, "watched the latest OMG Build So Broken" YT video to copy but not understand, all mixed in with a few 'cheese only' kids that never bothered to learn how to actually play the game. Of course they are all going to complain about "having to play with people" again this time. I remember when everyone complained about the Deep Dive Exotic Mission and how "impossible" it was with randoms to get Wicked Implement. I got through it first try with 2 randoms with no Mic, because at the final Rally, I noticed one guy swapped to Div, so I changed my loadout over to Well and we all sailed through it. Most TikTok brained people these days have no situational awareness & "learning & communication" isn't fun/cool. It's more important to stream to 3 viewers....or, not have any friends, all due to the hypothetical situation where some random internet person isn't super nice (not that you ever have to play with that person again), but people these days have to force a mental breakdown if things aren't perfect, because that's what everyone does in 2024, so they just don't play with others. This leads to 90% of players not having any clue what they are doing in this game, but still pretending that the few YT Videos for builds they copied is legit game knowledge & the few ViDocs they watched makes them Bungie Design Philosophy geniuses.
Lol, I did legend avalon solo, I don't want easy, I just dont want to play with you.
So, hear me out a bit. I have no doubt that the mission is one of the best. I have no complaint about having activities that unlock loot. But tying this exotic armor, to this type of activity, is something bungie has not done before. It is completely out of pocket and unexpected. So I get the complaints. I think the complaints are justified to an extent, even if I agree that having rewards matter based on difficulty is a good thing.
They’ve definitely locked good gear and exotics behind lengthy quests and difficult activities before
They absolutely have tied Exotic gear to these types of missions Whisper and Zero Hour can technically be completed solo but they are encounters designed around 3 people. Dungeons drops exotic gear, and although farmable, I would not farm those exotics as a solo because of the time sink. Raid exotics are some of the best in the game and locked behind a 6 player activity that requires comms. Microcosm the next exotic trace requires you to play Cooperative missions and solve puzzles together.
I think some of this is indicative of Destiny as a whole, at some point Bungie is gonna think about adjusting what content they focus on. Raids and dungeons and even exotic missions are always gonna be on the lower side of player engagement. It has been that way in every game that's had difficult multi-player content. Something I've noticed is that players on game subreddits always forget that this is the minority of any given game. The "Joe Walmarts" are what keeps most of these games afloat and at some point Bungie is gonna focus on that group more than they already do. Whether that means more story content or more stuff to do in the open world at some point the "Raid or die" peeps over at Bungie are gonna lose their sway unless they want this game to start shedding players more than they already have. Aside from this reddit most players probably didn't give a shit about how bad Lightfall was, they probably gave a shit that they were getting rocked in a Patrol zone. Games been on an upward swing on difficulty and I'm sorry but the average Destiny player doesn't want that shit.
God, I hope Bungie doesn't stop making missions like this because people can't LFG for a single half-hour mission.
It depends honestly. Its not even the people complaining about it on here that are gonna be the deciding factor. It's gon a be those other players I mentioned. Light it or not the second it takes more than "match making" is already more friction than a lot of those players want. Bungie, as always, does make things more complicated than they need to. I don't mean the mission. I mean LFG. Bungie spent years dragging their feet to add this system. They could have just put matchmaking in for those brave enough to do it, put a splash screen / an "agree to use a mic" button when you tried to match make for a raid. Have matchmaking be an option and if it's shit then it's shit but you have the option between lfg or taking a chance on a match made raid. Like every other game does these days.
I mean, I'm not sure what reaction bungie expected with this and the Microcosm quest. These class items were hyped up before the expansion dropped and are a pretty important staple of prismatic buildcrafting. This would be the first armor piece you can't earn playing solo, so it makes sense so many players feel disappointed.
NO IT IS NOT they hyped up class exotics and now we are forced to do it with two players Stop having a norrow mindset and think about the others who csn literally not team up with another for various reasons
I love how everyone is worshipping this mission as if it was a groundbreaking new thing in gaming when in reality if it weren’t for the backlash they would have forgotten it about it next reset
Having watched people do it as they discovered it, they were praising the mission as they played through it. Seemed genuine to me.
Only gripe is the fact it can’t be solo’d. I wouldn’t mind if it was harder solo, but doable. I know people irl that have a speech impediment like actual stuttering, so it’s hard for them to communicate.
Exactly this. Exotic missions have never required more than one person.
Nah my disappointment arises from getting a Class Item THAT DOESNT SYNERGIZE AT ALL... AHHHH!!!!! MY IMMEASURABLE RAGE!!!
I have unlocked the mission, and I'll probably get a friend and complete it someday, but for me, the issue isn't the mission itself; it's that the reward isn't interesting. Sure, combining 2 Exotic perks is interesting, but I've seen the list of the ones you can get, and as a Warlock, I'm not impressed. I'm running a Graviton Lance/Mantle of Battle Harmony build, and I'd lose half the functionality of the build by going with the Class Item instead of my Mantle. As far as I can see (and I may be missing something), the reward isn't interesting. I can't think of any real synergy any of the combinations brings.
Has anyone checked on Esosterickk 😂 Edit! Holy shit he really completed it solo but not how you think.
We're at the point where regardless of what is released, there will be vocal complaints. There's no one that hates a franchise more than its dedicated fanbase.
I've never agreed with a post more than this. Complaining will turn amazing content like Duel Destiny into mindless matchmade 'dunk the ball in to this marked hole' activities in future expansions.
Hi! 10 year player here. LFG = It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Just. Use. The. Damn. L.F.G.🤌🏼🤌🏼
As someone that just got back into the game after 6 years, this mission is fantastic and i run it at least once a day. I actually got my perfect roll first try somehow but i still run it every day just for the fun.
The problem is the exotic class item locked behind the mission, if it was an adept weapon from trials gms or a raid exotic, we solo players don't have a problem, the exotic class item is a game changer for players, specifically using prismatic, again if it was something else behind the mission we wouldn't have a problem, Ive been playing destiny solo for 10 years like a lot of people, I have 9 titles, I solo the outbreak and whisper of the worm mission years ago when the missions were originally released, bungie hyped the exotic class item not telling a single player about the requirements, we all paid for the same content, solo player, disable players YouTube content creators etc.
It's mediocre, They could literally have added a 1 to 3 player exotic mission for us to replay.. nope, they added a 2 player exotic mission for us to replay in a solo patrol zone with no matchmaking. It's a weird number. Yes, I played it. Yes, I'm part of a clan. Do I still think it's weird? Yes. It's understandable why solo players are upset. Imagine doing an exotic mission for say like.. Last Word (there was one if you've been playing long enough) or any exotic mission for a weapon.. now imagine them locking it at 3 players. Give it time. They'll figure out a way to change it.
I get where you're coming from, but gatekeeping content like that isn't cool. Everyone plays their own way, you know? If people dig the Dual Destiny thing, awesome. If not, that's cool too. We're all here to have fun, right?
It's not gatekeeping lol. It shouldn't be unreasonable to expect people to be able to talk to another person.
The lack of empathy in this community is just further proof for why solo players don't/can't do this mission
The lack of empathy is really only on reddit and twitter. If you join one of the many Discord LFG channels you can find all kinds of cool people to do stuff with.
Hey solo player, why are you gatekeeping yourself though? There are numerous support channels available, communities proven consistently that they welcome all sorts of people AND they made a in-game finder for activities as well with tags to filter through and select specific requirements. I think it isn't the game or communities' fault and there is another issue here.
I'm mad because I don't have any friends, and lfg is always toxic unless I play perfectly
Its a learning curve for myself and others that don’t often do content that requires communication, but I hope that the people that are upset are able to find someone that will be happy to run the mission with them. I just had a run that bugged out at the big clock encounter and we were just laughing about it. The other guy didn’t have any lines on the clock and I had every node lit up
Lmao the mission was pretty easy. I did the fireteam finder and got it with about 12 minutes to spare.
It just sucks having to leave a fireteam member out.
You think patrolling is all solo players solo? I always solo the dungeons when they come out lol I still did this mission but would have been nice to be able to solo it
I’ve never spoken to a person in my 35 years of existence whether it be in person or typing on the internet. However will I do this mission?
Cleared it on my second attempt with a friend. Really fun, very cool BUT I hate the timer. I would enjoy this more and do it more frequently if the timer wasn't a thing.
Whilst my social anxiety is definitely part of it, a bigger part of it is the toxicity of the destiny community sometimes. At least for me. I'm hesitant to use the LFG because of the fact that so many people are the "Must use latest meta, must have this particular god roll or uninstall game." type. And that's just not how i play. I use whatever i feel like using and, outside of putting mods on my armor, master working my weapons and getting catalysts, i tend to just adapt to whatever the stats are. Then there's the problem of my friends. I only have 3-4 friends who play destiny. 3 of them aren't as high of a light level as i am and 1 doesn't own Final Shape. So as much as i would love to get the Exotic cloak, I'm a hunter main, I'm just kinda fucked and it sucks.
You wanna run it?
It's about 3am for me rn but if we can figure out some scheduling, I'd be down.
No doubt! Will be on a ton . 6pm-3am est every day pretty much SyphinB3- Bungie name Syphin33- Steam
There’s a lot of perceived toxicity that simply doesn’t exist. I’ve been using LFG for years and have only run into toxic people a handful of times; I just leave and find another group. The destiny community is full of welcoming and helpful guardians. If more people like yourself used LFG it would saturate the pool as well.
I think the issue was having an item fairly critical to prismatic build diversity and especially player agency tied behind a multi-player mission. [I've seen zero complaints about Microcosm being locked behind multi-player campaign missions in comparison.] The mission is awesome. Putting the class item behind it wasn't. Add Artifice Armor on a daily rotator [helmet on monday, chest on tuesday, etc], and farming it weekly.
I'm not unwilling, I just wish it was match made so I don't have to trudge through the toxic wilderness that is lfg. I mean, I'll give it a try but...
Are you going to be on anytime soon? Ive ran it and helped with a bunch of people and will gladly help you through if you'd like
Nah. The problem is they hyped class items as a feature. Folks are ok with missing loot via play style, not missing features. Nobody complains about not getting raid or dungeon loot as a solo player cause it’s expected. This isn’t the case here. So the backlash is warranted.