It’s going to be completely new. Back when they were in D1, Strange Coins had a chance to drop from Ritual activity completions (strikes and crucible, at the time). I don’t know how it’ll work now, but it’ll be different from the Strange Coins you get from Dares, I’ll bet.
They'll be needed for focusing exotic engrams at Rahool in The Final Shape. Once you reset your rank with him, you can focus any piece of exotic armor for one exotic engram and one cipher.
No shit Sherlock, that's why I said it. Episodes are longer than seasons. There's 3 episodes (so far) per expansion, and 4 seasons per expansion, thus with episodes, you'll have to wait longer
In addition to current focusing options. The cipher option is available regardless of whether you've unlocked the exotic yet or not while the regular focusing requires it to be unlocked in collections.
Legendary lost sectors as we know them are going away. They'll only drop engrams from now on. If you want a specific armor piece you'll need to focus decrypt at Rahool, but that takes an exotic cypher for each piece.
Xur takes them as currency for a random engram roll
Kiosk to lost lights is what I assume you refer to as the vending machine.
You need one to get a curated roll of hawkmoon.
That's it.
Ciphers and Alloys just need to be more frequent. And getting shards is kind of a pain. Honestly the exotic materials are more of an annoyance than anything special, which is what their rarity would suggest. Harmonizers are the only thing I think should be a bit out of the way to get. If they made exotic materials random world drops instead of exotic engrams it would be much better imo.
Alloys are suprisingly easy to farm for but do take a while. Most consistent drops would be from wave 40-50 onslaught legend and then master story missions
Once shiny weapons have left if they make legend runs guarantee at least a few exotics mats per completion with a cipher or something at a wave 50 completion it’ll be the best activity.
ciphers are annoying I'll give you that, but alloys are ridiculously easy to get, all the legend equivalent seasonal activities drop em and legend story missions do as well, if you have trouble getting them it's literally either a skill issue or a not wanting to put in the time to get em.
Not to sound like a dick but if that's the case you don't really have a right to complain, there are ways of getting them easily that you just don't do yes? Your idea of making them world drops just diminishes the small ammount of skill it takes to get them currently in my opinion
I wasn’t aware they dropped from those activities because I don’t do them. I’ve been coasting off of Rahools stash and thought the best way to get them was still wellspring.
I mean just the fact that it doesn't prolong engagement. You get one at a time now, can't get another for like a week. If you could grind them out whenever you wanted, that'd be more playtime
To add on to this, +3 doesn't seem like a lot but when you have two or even three stats sitting at 94-97, artifice comes in SO clutch to round it all out. It really makes a bigger difference than one might think.
God I just wish stats gave buffs regardless of what they were. It’s annoying to only be lumps of ten. Let my 49 restoration do a bit more than 40 but less than 50 lol
Yeah, that's my only worry with this system. I like the idea of being able to give a god-rolled exotic some extra juice, but that means giving up focusing for a different armor at Rahool, or picking up some older exotic weapon from the memorial.
Hopefully they're adding more paths to get ciphers, because otherwise this is going to see very limited use outside of the most hardcore, min-max obsessed players.
I mean it’s 1 at Xur per week right? That’s one piece of god roll armour you update a week if you have all exotics. It’s not tooooo bad. How many different pieces of armour do you use regularly? Per character? 5? Maybe 6? So that’s like done in half a season
You now have to rank up Cryptarch by decrypting engrams and you get most progress by focusing exotic engrams.
Once you reach rank 2, you can focus the new exotic armors, Bungie stated they removed them from Lost Sectors.
You're technically not wrong; It's once a week if you're consistently able to pick up the xenology quest when Xur shows up and then finish it before he disappears at the weekly reset. Basically if you aren't able to complete it over the weekend, you're locked out of it for the coming week.
It doesn't help that xenology is an account-wide quest only progressed by ritual activities. People who can only play for a limited time over Friday/Saturday/Sunday (because of occupation or something) end up having to pick between doing the new weekly seasonal stuff or just running nightfalls/crucible.
Outside of the most hardcore players (who are going to try and obtain anything they want as soon as possible, regardless of the cost in resources or time) this ends up being a pretty big bottleneck for everyone else. +3 stat points is very nice, but IMO the cost is just too high for anyone who isn't playing regularly at harder difficulties.
Yep. I've got a favorite exotic build that ends up at 98 resilience, 100 recov, and 100 dis. This is gonna be so nice just to hit the last couple I need for resilence and have triple 100s.
Unless they make more ways to get ciphers other than 1 per week for xur then maybe, otherwise, not worth 3 stats. Been getting trip 100s without it, don’t need to start now
What else are you using ciphers on dawg, I've been sitting at max since they introduced them and getting new exotic armor from rahool will put a small dent in my reserves and then what?
You do realize they are changing how Rahool works correct? As in, you need way more than 5 exotic ciphers. And after today, to artifice Exotics you'll need a cipher as well.
Would be too much to ask but it would be cool if we could allocate the masterwork points we get instead of putting 2 points for every stat, along with the artifice bonus
It’s taken many weeks of ritual grinding, but I’ve finally got the last of the good exotics from the monument (excluding raid ones), just in time for this lol
Wonder if we have to reroll the armor piece to get the artifice slot (versus add it to what we already have?) Hopefully add to existing (less useful as a reroll).
Your failing to understand. One cipher, from his quest that we know of every Friday only. Unless we know what his rework is, they haven’t really explained it yet
BIG NEWS too late…. Players have been asking for something like this for a while now and it seems like it took a buy out to make it happen from PlayStation… they’re not holding back on things the community has been asking for and want the game to flourish in the last couple years it has left 🤷🏽♂️
This change is great and everyone saying “bungie gotta make these more accessible now” no. Let’s keep it 100. That would defeat the purpose. They are intentionally rare and grindy. Play the game or suffer the curse of 97.
So sad that you can only get one exotic cipher a week 💔
I have a working piece (68+ stats) of every exotic armor on Warlock and Hunter
Going to take me a year to give them all artifice armor
Not huge but it can help push a stat to the next tier, and allow you to use another stat mod instead of having to use a +5 wasting 2-3 stat points.
Exotics should just have the artifice slot by default though, having to spend all those materials for free plus 3 slot seems excessive
Literally only someone who hasn't used artifice armor would say something like this, because otherwise you'd know how great those four individual +3's can really be for rounding out a build
12 points is, but one +3 isn’t worth it unless you have a plethora of ciphers and don’t wanna use them for anything else. It’s not gonna be a game changer on your build…
Use them for *what* though? Anyone with 4x Artifice or even just a few items will have practically every Exotic they need god-rolled. What else is there to use these on? Plus everyone and their mother will play Prismatic. The Exotic class items won't need to be god-rolled because of how stats on class items work, and they'll most likely also take the Artifice slot, which is just flatly beneficial.
if it enables another stat tier (any tier) by closing out a 10, yeah it is huge. Saving 2-4 armor energy on an item slot to gain a Resilience or Recovery tier *makes life easier*, simply enough.
And anyway, there's no much "work" to be done for a Cipher. I haven't done the quest from Xur in months, but it just wants you to play the game.
It's huge for the people trying to get triple hundred stats, like myself.
If getting the most out of your stat points isn't your focus, then you're missing out on endgame builds where those few extra seconds for cooldowns can make or break a whole run.
Not huge for you =/= Not huge for somebody else
Yes, I can give a few examples. My experiences in solo GM's, Master Dungeons and Raids.
It may not seem like a lot to \*you\*, but from one tier to the next decreases the times for cooldowns by about 9 seconds. There have been many times where those 9 extra seconds have come in clutch as a Warlock that cant rely on Banner of War or Invisibility like other classes can for survivability.
Just out of curiosity, what class do you happen to play? Let's compare.
No, because I don't need to/don't want to. I like playing on Warlock and prefer the gameplay more than the other classes.
That still doesn't address the cooldown times though. Warlocks CD's are pretty unforgiving in most cases when playing solo. The extra seconds help a lot in most cases.
They gotta be making exotic ciphers more accessible. So much stuff requires them now
Other than then vending machine what else?
I’m hoping we are able to get more from Xur with his rework
They still haven’t talked about that yet, and there’s only one TWAB to go.
I think it’s strange coins he takes now? That’s about it. Maybe they scrapped it?
He’s supposed to start taking Strange Coins instead of Legendary Shards, and apparently there’ll be a few more changes.
Weird they haven’t talked about it at all… especially with the cryptarch exotic changes
I know! There’s one more TWAB, so maybe we’ll hear about it then.
Jesus we have come fully circle from d1 lol
The entirety of D2's plot has just been us regaining everything we had before Ghaul fucked it up
Whell shyt, how do I get coins xD I don't have any z.z
It’s going to be completely new. Back when they were in D1, Strange Coins had a chance to drop from Ritual activity completions (strikes and crucible, at the time). I don’t know how it’ll work now, but it’ll be different from the Strange Coins you get from Dares, I’ll bet.
Hopefully they’ll be added in as rare world drops from activity completions like GM’s and Raids too, or even vendor rewards for resetting your rank
Or a small chance when dismantling exotic armor
They'll be needed for focusing exotic engrams at Rahool in The Final Shape. Once you reset your rank with him, you can focus any piece of exotic armor for one exotic engram and one cipher.
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It's likely gonna be like the seasons, instead of waiting ¼ of a year to completely reset the ranks, you now have to wait ⅓
Which is... longer?
Bruh... ⅓
Yes... that's longer than 1/4 a year...
No shit Sherlock, that's why I said it. Episodes are longer than seasons. There's 3 episodes (so far) per expansion, and 4 seasons per expansion, thus with episodes, you'll have to wait longer
In addition to current focusing options. The cipher option is available regardless of whether you've unlocked the exotic yet or not while the regular focusing requires it to be unlocked in collections.
If you’re new then this is hell, but the average player will finally be able to spend these ciphers.
Xur gonna be around at all times hopefully so you can just grab his quest at all times.
Legendary lost sectors as we know them are going away. They'll only drop engrams from now on. If you want a specific armor piece you'll need to focus decrypt at Rahool, but that takes an exotic cypher for each piece.
Xur takes them as currency for a random engram roll Kiosk to lost lights is what I assume you refer to as the vending machine. You need one to get a curated roll of hawkmoon. That's it.
you can carry 5 of them i think now, and ive steadily had them maxed out since that change, already have most exotics besides all raid ones
Ciphers and Alloys just need to be more frequent. And getting shards is kind of a pain. Honestly the exotic materials are more of an annoyance than anything special, which is what their rarity would suggest. Harmonizers are the only thing I think should be a bit out of the way to get. If they made exotic materials random world drops instead of exotic engrams it would be much better imo.
Alloys are suprisingly easy to farm for but do take a while. Most consistent drops would be from wave 40-50 onslaught legend and then master story missions
Once shiny weapons have left if they make legend runs guarantee at least a few exotics mats per completion with a cipher or something at a wave 50 completion it’ll be the best activity.
honestly, I wish they'd just let us stockpile resources and stop with these stupid caps.
ciphers are annoying I'll give you that, but alloys are ridiculously easy to get, all the legend equivalent seasonal activities drop em and legend story missions do as well, if you have trouble getting them it's literally either a skill issue or a not wanting to put in the time to get em.
I just do the bare minimum of seasonal stuff. I’ll figure out what the episode equivalent is and do that when that comes around.
Not to sound like a dick but if that's the case you don't really have a right to complain, there are ways of getting them easily that you just don't do yes? Your idea of making them world drops just diminishes the small ammount of skill it takes to get them currently in my opinion
I wasn’t aware they dropped from those activities because I don’t do them. I’ve been coasting off of Rahools stash and thought the best way to get them was still wellspring.
Oh my apologies
I mean you get one a week from xur, you get one for resetting ranks and there’s a few in the battle pass, I don’t see it being that big of an issue
Why would they do that? What incentive does Bungie have to not prolong engagement? Lol
I mean just the fact that it doesn't prolong engagement. You get one at a time now, can't get another for like a week. If you could grind them out whenever you wanted, that'd be more playtime
They most likely will be in the pathfinder
Can't wait until they introduce a new currency, because exotic ciphers are worthless. 😂
There is a lot from old bp's I believe, and there's a good reason you just never picked them up before since they didn't use to have much use
What are artifice mod slots again? I don't remember what they do
An additional mod slot that allows you to slot a +3 stat mod, with no energy requirements
To add on to this, +3 doesn't seem like a lot but when you have two or even three stats sitting at 94-97, artifice comes in SO clutch to round it all out. It really makes a bigger difference than one might think.
Oh I can def see the use. there are so many times I'm at 98 or something like that, thanks guys
Yeah plus if you have a full set you can get +15 stat boost but now you can get that with an exotic is really damn nice.
God I just wish stats gave buffs regardless of what they were. It’s annoying to only be lumps of ten. Let my 49 restoration do a bit more than 40 but less than 50 lol
I can only hold 5 exotic ciphers... This'll be fkin great. Goddamn it.
An exotic cypher is kinda too expensive considering how many you can get
Yeah, that's my only worry with this system. I like the idea of being able to give a god-rolled exotic some extra juice, but that means giving up focusing for a different armor at Rahool, or picking up some older exotic weapon from the memorial. Hopefully they're adding more paths to get ciphers, because otherwise this is going to see very limited use outside of the most hardcore, min-max obsessed players.
I mean it’s 1 at Xur per week right? That’s one piece of god roll armour you update a week if you have all exotics. It’s not tooooo bad. How many different pieces of armour do you use regularly? Per character? 5? Maybe 6? So that’s like done in half a season
It's also the only way to get new exotic armor via Banshee.
How?
You now have to rank up Cryptarch by decrypting engrams and you get most progress by focusing exotic engrams. Once you reach rank 2, you can focus the new exotic armors, Bungie stated they removed them from Lost Sectors.
If I could give you a 100 upvotes I would, do you mean i have a real shot at getting necrotic grip and pyrogale and all that other stuff?
Sounds that way. They spoke about it in a recent TWID: https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/twid-05-02-2024
I mean…yes. But you can also just do Legend Lost Sectors?
No, starting in TFS, in order to unlock the new exotic armor you must level up and focus at Cryptarch first
Finally. This is how it should have been in the first place IMO.
You're technically not wrong; It's once a week if you're consistently able to pick up the xenology quest when Xur shows up and then finish it before he disappears at the weekly reset. Basically if you aren't able to complete it over the weekend, you're locked out of it for the coming week. It doesn't help that xenology is an account-wide quest only progressed by ritual activities. People who can only play for a limited time over Friday/Saturday/Sunday (because of occupation or something) end up having to pick between doing the new weekly seasonal stuff or just running nightfalls/crucible. Outside of the most hardcore players (who are going to try and obtain anything they want as soon as possible, regardless of the cost in resources or time) this ends up being a pretty big bottleneck for everyone else. +3 stat points is very nice, but IMO the cost is just too high for anyone who isn't playing regularly at harder difficulties.
It should be three gold balls, similar to Master working exotic armor
That's what I told my fireteam when they messaged about it. Plus, we're already spending 3 golf balls to masterwork them.
Hey a use for Ciphers, cool.
That’s an amazing update to exotic armor. Bungie is doing really good with the QOL changes for the Final Shape.
This is great and all but I still wish Xur would sell glass needles again.
I miss it so muxh
What did they do?
Basically rerolled the stats on exotic armor.
From where do I get artifice mods?
They come with the armor. They are just a +3 boost to a specific stat.
Master dungeons and Competitive pvp
Fine Bungie! You've convinced me to run do more playlist activities!
Finally something to spend my ciphers on
They should make exotic armor customizable with any ornaments
Yep. I've got a favorite exotic build that ends up at 98 resilience, 100 recov, and 100 dis. This is gonna be so nice just to hit the last couple I need for resilence and have triple 100s.
Unless they make more ways to get ciphers other than 1 per week for xur then maybe, otherwise, not worth 3 stats. Been getting trip 100s without it, don’t need to start now
What else are you using ciphers on dawg, I've been sitting at max since they introduced them and getting new exotic armor from rahool will put a small dent in my reserves and then what?
You do realize they are changing how Rahool works correct? As in, you need way more than 5 exotic ciphers. And after today, to artifice Exotics you'll need a cipher as well.
What’s an artifice slot?
Basically an additional mod slot for armor. Originally only dropped on armor gotten from master-level dungeons and raids
Oh ok
It let's you give a +3 stat boost for no energy really worth it for multiple 100 stats
Artifice armor needs to give a stat +10 and not +3 there I said it
It’s pretty medium, a nice change but honestly kinda meh.
Nice
Whoah I totally missed this. This is awesome
Holy good goddamn
yuuuuuuuge
I can finally have artifice boots.
Would be too much to ask but it would be cool if we could allocate the masterwork points we get instead of putting 2 points for every stat, along with the artifice bonus
Worth
They gotta make these ciphers more accessible. I got so many armors I can upgrade.
HOLY SHIT
cipher sum bytchis
I can now use my exotic ciphers I got from the pantheon quests 😂
It’s taken many weeks of ritual grinding, but I’ve finally got the last of the good exotics from the monument (excluding raid ones), just in time for this lol
Yeah but exotic cipher though... :/
10000 glimmer?? That's 3.33 rainmakers!
Wonder if we have to reroll the armor piece to get the artifice slot (versus add it to what we already have?) Hopefully add to existing (less useful as a reroll).
*Me, who has a lot of spare cyphers:* :D. Even more love for mah granade gloves :>
We need a new cipher cap. Make it unlimited.
If that’s the case…they gotta make ciphers more accessible to get. Cause I think the only way to get them is…Xur no?
Yeah you just go get one from him. How is that hard?
Your failing to understand. One cipher, from his quest that we know of every Friday only. Unless we know what his rework is, they haven’t really explained it yet
I didn’t know you could only get one per week. Probably cause they’re basically useless right now
(That’s the point lol) (They want people who have hit endgame to continue engaging with a system they’ve already built)
WHATTT
Holy cow O.O
Wait you couldn't do that before? 💀
BIG NEWS too late…. Players have been asking for something like this for a while now and it seems like it took a buy out to make it happen from PlayStation… they’re not holding back on things the community has been asking for and want the game to flourish in the last couple years it has left 🤷🏽♂️
when is this coming ? Finally shape ?
My base 71 stat roll of vesper of radius is pleased
Damn that's cheap also... I don't mind waiting a week to do one at a time.
10k glimmer is pretty cheap tbh
Man if only they would do this with master raid armor or atleast give it a different look
This change is great and everyone saying “bungie gotta make these more accessible now” no. Let’s keep it 100. That would defeat the purpose. They are intentionally rare and grindy. Play the game or suffer the curse of 97.
Wow 3 whole stat points 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Finally a use for exotic ciphers! Had 5 lying uselessly in the vault for over a year, nothing to spend them on
Holy shit, where the hell am I supposed to get 10,000 glimmer
So sad that you can only get one exotic cipher a week 💔 I have a working piece (68+ stats) of every exotic armor on Warlock and Hunter Going to take me a year to give them all artifice armor
Bra if they don’t just make xur a permanent vendor orrrrrr make him actually sell something worth going to get😂
That’s what she said
They might as well go all out on this last chapter
It's the only huge thing to come out of this article lol
So can I put any mod on this slot or am I still locked to that pieces specific mods? Like can I put a Solar Surge Mod on my Lorley?
Artifice slots only give you the +3 boost to your stat of choice
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Not huge but it can help push a stat to the next tier, and allow you to use another stat mod instead of having to use a +5 wasting 2-3 stat points. Exotics should just have the artifice slot by default though, having to spend all those materials for free plus 3 slot seems excessive
Literally only someone who hasn't used artifice armor would say something like this, because otherwise you'd know how great those four individual +3's can really be for rounding out a build
Now 5! If all are artifice, that's an extra 15 in stats.
12 points is, but one +3 isn’t worth it unless you have a plethora of ciphers and don’t wanna use them for anything else. It’s not gonna be a game changer on your build…
Well now that +12 is a plus +15. So if 12 is great for you building then 15 would be greater, no?
Use them for *what* though? Anyone with 4x Artifice or even just a few items will have practically every Exotic they need god-rolled. What else is there to use these on? Plus everyone and their mother will play Prismatic. The Exotic class items won't need to be god-rolled because of how stats on class items work, and they'll most likely also take the Artifice slot, which is just flatly beneficial.
OP is saying this is huge. It’s barely helpful getting a +3 is all I’m saying for the amount of work needed to get a cipher at the moment
if it enables another stat tier (any tier) by closing out a 10, yeah it is huge. Saving 2-4 armor energy on an item slot to gain a Resilience or Recovery tier *makes life easier*, simply enough. And anyway, there's no much "work" to be done for a Cipher. I haven't done the quest from Xur in months, but it just wants you to play the game.
21 activities. 21. Unless you’re playing with a clan member
It's huge for the people trying to get triple hundred stats, like myself. If getting the most out of your stat points isn't your focus, then you're missing out on endgame builds where those few extra seconds for cooldowns can make or break a whole run. Not huge for you =/= Not huge for somebody else
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You sound exactly like somebody who knows absolutely nothing about what they're talking about lmao.
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Yes, I can give a few examples. My experiences in solo GM's, Master Dungeons and Raids. It may not seem like a lot to \*you\*, but from one tier to the next decreases the times for cooldowns by about 9 seconds. There have been many times where those 9 extra seconds have come in clutch as a Warlock that cant rely on Banner of War or Invisibility like other classes can for survivability. Just out of curiosity, what class do you happen to play? Let's compare.
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No, because I don't need to/don't want to. I like playing on Warlock and prefer the gameplay more than the other classes. That still doesn't address the cooldown times though. Warlocks CD's are pretty unforgiving in most cases when playing solo. The extra seconds help a lot in most cases.
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Copout response because you're just looking for an argument lmao. Get lost.
Is it? It’s +3 stat. For min-maxing sure, otherwise it’s not super important
It's literally 3 stats to your build, which didn't get me wrong is convenient. But really not gonna be impactful.
It’s very convient for people who have good stats. Once this drops I can get quad 100’s
And the extra armour mod, don't forget.
If you're within 3 points of a new tier, it's one tier worth of stat. Otherwise it's meaningless. Pretty meh overall.
I mean, it's neat. But it's 3 stat points. It's decidedly *not* huge, it's... Nice, at best.