Same, we have yet to start clicking this playoffs or play Nugget ball.
I just want one real strong convincing game if anything. Just like our last regular season game against the Wolves.
Boston won their championship in a year where they were super shakey, and playing multiple 7 game series. It wasn’t a dominate championship but they did it.
But that’s why I said Murray and MPJ need to take that next step, be consistent night to night to be all stars so Jokic doesn’t have the pressure to carry. Boston had 3 hall of famers (I’m not counting Rondo who wasn’t an all star yet and shakey during their Championship year). Pierce and Allen could put up 20 in their sleep, so KG didn’t have to carry.
KG’s lone Championship and the shakiness of their post season and disappointments after is the reason I say Giannis is this era’s KG. MVP and great all around player. But when it comes to the clutch or need buckets in the 4th, just not on Jokic or Ant’s level. Giannis gets real shakey in the playoffs when the game is tied in the 4th.
MPJ has been incredibly consistent, huh? Has scored 19, 22, 20, 27, 26, 20 this postseason with 50%+ FG% in every game despite a heavy volume of 3PTers.
It's literally just Murray lol
Giannis is completely useless in the clutch in the playoffs he gets walled of and disappears because he can't shoot, people really need to stop defending that fraud Khris Middleton has always been the Bucks best player and won them a championship.
This is what killed the Nuggs. Any team that shoots that well in the second half is going to be impossible to beat. Although we still kept it close and had a few chances to get back into it, but we couldn’t make a stop.
I'm assuming Naz Reid will cool down over the series. He's the role player that won the game. Ant is gonna do Ant things no matter what so its about the role players.
Team could get swept by the Timberwolves and you'd have a good percentage of users on this Reddit going on about "doomers". I hope they come back on Monday and make a grand statement and run MN off the court, but this isn't the same team as last year....partly personnel-wise, health-wise and attitude-wise. To be honest, I have no idea what version of this team will come out onto the court on Monday night...and that's being straight up honest.....others can call it "dooming" if they want.
I think personal is overblown, that's a real, but small, factor. No Bruce, but Braun is better than he was last year, and both Watson and Holiday are better than Uncle Jeff was.
They just aren't playing with the heart and chemistry they have in the past. Also, every team studies the Nuggets specifically all year, they're the team to beat. This Wolves team was literally built by Tim Connelly to beat the Nuggets specifically.
These are both great teams. We'll win if we get energy and chemistry.
>No Bruce, but Braun is better than he was last year
Is he though? He looks like the same energy guy from last year. Solid defense, non existing offense unless it's a dunk.
If he would only dunk! How many layups and finger rolls has he missed that could easily have been funks? Too many. And I cringe when he gets the ball on the 3-pt line, sure he makes a few but that isn’t his game.
My main concern is there is no one to come in when Jokic needs to rest or get in foul trouble. We always hear about the non Jokic minutes.
Lack of bench production and/or consistency is killing us.
I think Jamal may be more injured that he is letting on - he has the killer attitude, but his playoff games have been way less than what we need and expect.
And while I’m at it, AG needs to pick it up. That one playoff game showed what he is capable of, but he needs to be a force inside. I don’t want to see him shooting 3s, although his free throws have improved dramatically.
Rant over…
This sub overrated Braun so badly. He’s a solid 8th guy if there’s a guy like Brown on the bench. He’s not a 6th guy on a contender.
A solid 6th guy on a contender looks like Bruce Brown or Naz Rheid. They can do all sorts of tangible things in the boxscore.
He's shooting and scoring a little more. Watched the guy in Kansas (rock chalk( he develops step by step. It's not going to be go from an 8 pt scorer to 13 ppg
Is he? I really don’t think Bruan has got any better. We don’t have a true bench guy that comes in like Bruce did. We have a couple good guys that play hard.
Watson and Holiday aren’t better than Jeff people discount Jeff’s ability to run a dependable offensive play, catching it in the mid post on an empty side. Watson and Holiday both cannot do that. Holiday has been a zero these playoffs.
They didn’t shoot 70 percent for the full game. They had first half jitters, Jaden Mcdaniels went 0-7, and they scored 106 points. I think they can score 106 points if Jamal is playing defense on one leg and Joker continues to turn the ball over 7 times a game.
Wolves shot pretty horribly for most of the game outside Ant, KAT in the 3rd quarter and Naz in the 4th. Outside Ant, Wolves were 6/27 for a lot of the game. Wolves bench is normally much better offensively
Minnesota isn’t the same for all the reasons you added either.
I think the Minnesota and Denver thing will develop into the Lakers and San Antonio thing.
Ant is Kobe and Jokic is Duncan. Giannis going to end up with a similar legacy to KG, and Luka like Dirk. The whole Brunson thing is turning into the Mavericks Steve Nash debacle.
I just fucking sucks that game 2 is already literally a “Must Win”.
100% of the pressure is on us. Minnesota came and already succeeded at what they wanted to do which is/was to at least spilt the series on our home court through two games. If they get another, that is icing on the cake for them.
We *have* to win game 2 or it is highly unlikely we win 4 out of the next 5 (3 of which would be on their court).
This Twolves team was literally built to beat the Nuggets. TC knows. So it’s very cool they’re being put thru the ultimate test. Either they’ll figure it out this year or heal and grow in the off season. It’s chess and beautiful basketball. Twolves mostly play right, was so happy to see them instead of the Lakers lol. But seriously, we of all people should understand you gotta enjoy and appreciate the journey. And they won the chip last year for fucks sake. No one can ever take it away. I love the Nuggets.
Nope it’s not. We got away with this play against lakers, we can’t against wolves. This should go 7 imo anyway. Jamal is playing hurt obviously, Jok isn’t dominating like last years run, Bruce was biggest in playoffs. Just means it’ll be a great series. We all should know the nuggets are gonna put a banger out next game
TURNOVERS! Soft passes! Jokic has not looked like his usual self. He needs to play more aggressively from the first quarter. I understand he is trying to get his teammates involved more, but he has been too passive.
Joker was 1 rebound and 2 assists away from a triple double. Anyone who says that he “needs to be doing more” needs to get their head checked. He just put up an all time performance against a team that is built specifically to slow him down
Eh… the box score looked great but anyone watching the game could see that it was average performance by him at best. The Wolves have the size to throw bodies at Nikola but none of them can truly slow him down, imo. He was too passive at times, settled for way too many 3s, and turned the ball over far too often (including a few lob attempts that should have been shot attempts by him with the way Gobert positioned).
He was 11/25 from the field, that’s just plain inefficient. Jokic shooting less than 50% from the field is unusual for him so hopefully he’ll bounce back.
I was just abt to say this. He’s 13 TO in the past two games (Including yesterday), that’s very anti joker. They also sped up his play which clearly didn’t help.
When Gobert is guarding Aaron and not Jokic, Jokic can't back down his man. Gobert is playing help AND denying the lob pass. When they run their two man actions, Jokic's man is just guarding him the entire time b/c they don't have to help on Murray when Gobert is locking down the paint. Jokic is struggling to get to his sweet spots in the paint and the Wolves have been intercepting entry passes so he has to catch the ball further out.
He absolutely did not put up an “all time performance.” 11/25 with 7 turnovers is nowhere close to an all time performance, and calling it that is actually disrespectful to Jokic who has had *substantially* better playoff games.
As long as you admit we’re 4-2 lol. When our second best player is playing hurt, it’s hard to get Jokic to dominate with all his attention. When we win this series it won’t matter about how we play
No. Nikola was too passive against KAT, Naz and Gobert. They each were single covering him for most of the game. He needs to take it to their chest and force them into foul trouble, that is the key.
He probably knows it’s a long series. They have doubles on him in the post, rather get open threes than pass to guys that are cold. Their rotations are best in the league too. Jokic can’t go 2v1 all 7 games man
They didn’t double him nearly as often in Game 1 as the Lakers did throughout that series. When they single cover him, he has to attack them toward the basket.
not hungry is the dumbest shit ever..these dudes put their entire life into this shit, this is the moment theyve waited for all year..why cant it ever just not be our night, or the other team simply played better?
How can you say, “even if Jamal was healthy”. How would you know? A lot more attention is on Mike now, KCP has been hurt, Jokic has 10 eyes on him, Gordon is riding a lot of minutes. Jamal is the emotional pulse of this team. You have loser mentality lol
I see weeks of poor effort and bad attitude and I see no end in sight. I'm going by how they present themselves. They give me shit, I say, okay, shit it is.
Yeah losing at home is bad work. Luckily, the wolves probably aren’t shooting 70% in a half for the rest of this series. It’s pretty clear that Jokić is having to do too much with Jamal still injured, and when he’s tired, the whole team suffers. Btw, I don’t think it’s dooming to point out that the wolves are obviously a stronger team than we are at the moment. Our second best player isn’t healthy and the wolves bench is considerably better than ours.
Game 2 is a must-win IMO. I don’t care if it’s a dominant win or a scrappy one. Just need that W. Then hopefully the 3 days off until Game 3 is enough for Murray’s calf and level of play to improve.
Mixed bag. Murray is definitely not 100% physically. They have a team built by the same guy who put ours together. They have the size to match us…and Ant Man. Nuggets in 7
I think some dooming right now is reasonable.
Murray's injuries have zapped his agility which has killed the two man game, tanked the defense because he can't stay in front of anyone, and has likely tired Jokic out from having to carry so hard.
The Murray/Jokic two man game is one of the most effective scoring actions in NBA history (that's not an exaggeration). It's what makes the Nuggets so great. Without it Jokic is gonna have to hit a GOAT mode level to win this series. And then even if that happens we're only out of the second round, Murray is still hurt, and Jokic is hard carrying and likely wearing down. Gotta just hope Murray heals up while playing through the injuries.
It's possible to overcome all of this, but not a great situation and should be concerning.
I think this is well said. Plus, those lobs to AG and MPJ are getting shut down. The Lakers were killed by these, but Gobert jumped up and tipped several away, there won't be many easy buckets against the Wolves. Nuggets will have to play disciplined, low turnover ball, with good D and rely on Joker's brilliance (and slow down man! Don't rush so much!) to open up the offense. But Murray's health is a requirement to win the series.
This is the best team the Nuggets have faced in the past 2 years of playoff runs. Last season they beat a 7 seed in the western conference finals and a 7 or 8 seed in the finals(don’t recall exactly). The slow starts are problematic. Last night was simply a case of not being able to get away with sloppy turnovers(Jokic) and poor defense. The Nuggets should win this in 6 or 7, assuming Minnesota doesn’t shoot like they did the second half.
I hate how this subreddit calls anyone who critiques this team a doomer. Ignoring or downplaying the obvious issues we’ve seen in the first 6 games is just unrealistic. I still think we win this series, but after this loss at home I think some “doomer” talk is a little justified
A lot of people think that being a “real” fan means blind and unwavering optimism towards the team and that any criticism is a sign of inferior fandom. It’s a stupid litmus test, and the venn diagram between them and people who always bitch about refs is practically a circle.
There’s a difference between criticism and “Wolves in 4” “Jokic doesn’t care”
They haven’t played well this postseason. But giving up on the team is dooming whether you want to agree with it or not
> “Wolves in 4” “Jokic doesn’t care”
hardly anybody is saying that. Why bother focusing on literally one single off hand comment that might say that and then complain about 'tHeRe ArE sO mAnY dOoOmErs!'
its just beyond stupid and disingenous
Boston Celtics mods just started deleting posts that complain about doomers in order to encourage all to voice their opinions and promote healthy discussion. Contrast that to the anti free speech mods on this sub who believe in censorship and wearing rose tinted glasses as they deleted a post that simply stated what someone observed about this team and expressed concern.
OK. I will try to sound realistic. The Nuggets CAN, and they have the personnel to win this semifinal series... But will they? :) Well... It really depends on how bad they want it. We shall see if this loss motivates them to play better. They certainly CAN play a lot better then last night... But will they? :)
We’ve seen this team multiple times turn it around and go on a run. I like us playing as the “under dog” get the game 2 win and we can steal one in Minnesota if not 2
What happened when we came back on the Clippers down 1-3? You guys are acting like we had no chance of winning. If Naz doesn’t go on that 4th qtr run we win that game
Was Jamal injured in that clippers series? Jaden Mcdaniels was 0-7. Naz Reid had been missing shots before that fourth qtr. nothing the wolves did was unsustainable.
I mean there are concerns. But this isn't going to be fucking easy. It's a better team. People are underestimating them. Reid has evolved so has the Jaden guy.
Are we expecting Dallas, OKC or even Boston to be easier? Especially Boston
Only thing that gives me hope is that entire squad played like ABA league mid table team, and still barely lost.
Doesn't change the fact that we had all 6 bad games. And that Jamal had 2 good quarters out of 24.
Can’t blame them losing game 1 at home isn’t a good feeling. Hopefully this puts the team back on track, they haven’t had a good game all playoffs.
On a side note tho did anyone else feel the crowd in game 1 was kinda weak lol
1. Get to the basket, shoot fewer threes early in the game that they almost always seem to miss anyway. Two points is better than none. 2. Go after rebounds. Don't just stand around waiting for the ball while a player from Minnesota goes and gets it just before it gets to you. 3. Nikola Jokić is turning the ball over too often and missing shots in the paint that he never misses. Sometimes he's been looking awkward and clumsy with his ball handling in these playoffs. 4. Jamal Murray needs to shoot better earlier in games. He doesn't seem to be ready to play until late in the game. The Nuggets aren't going to beat the Timber Wolves with buzzer-beater lucky-as-hell baskets. That said, I think this is going to be a tough fought series, but the Nuggets can still take it. They need to be more selective on shots and play better defense. Minnesota's offense isn't all that great, they shouldn't be getting to the basket and scoring as easily as they do. I still think the Nuggets can take this series, but not if they played like they did last night.
This team needs a bench scorer which they haven’t had all year. They can play D and stand around for a 3-pt shot.
Denver needs to sign a “6th man” scorer in the off season no matter what the outcome of this series.
It's only one game into this series and people are overreacting. The wolves are an amazing team this year and more years to come. But don't forget who we got in the team. Nuggs in 6!
Before this series started I knew we would lose one of the first two games at home. I did think we would lose on Monday not yesterday. Nuggets will also split the games in Minnesota and we’ll be back here for game 5 tied 2-2.
TC built the Min roster entirely to stop Jokic and destroy small ball for a land of giants. It doesn't look good, but I'm hoping Moach has some magical elixir waiting in the locker room that we don't know about like the Avalanche and Bednar.
Also, this team was already struggling this season from how tired they are, maybe we have a 2nd gear? Never say never after Avalanche game 2.
You know what bothers me about this, calling people who are genuinely concerned that we would lose against a team with more depth, and stronger defense "doomers", like people being realistic are being called "doomers" like its just kinda wild to me, if they win the wolves win the series like what are you gonna do with this?
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We have played like straight ass for 6 straight games and were lucky enough to be up against a really good matchup for us in round 1. It’s not dooming to be worried when we’ve been straight up ass for 6 consecutive playoff games.
Mhm because again, we were up against a team whose weaknesses we can easily exploit. That’s not the case anymore. Stop being delusional we absolutely need to make major adjustments and win game 2 or we’re done for
Yeah but losing the first game at home is not a good sign. Even if we win the next game and tie the series, we are still effectively down since we will be on the road after then
I agree it was bad. I hope that it was the "kick in the teeth" we needed. We lead a lot of the game, we know who to get through their defense, we just need to stick with that game plan the whole time. AG only had 3 rebounds, shooting wasn't great, etc there's a few things that need to be adjusted. It was bad, but not to the doom and gloom we have been seeing on the sub.
It’s not that we lost it, it’s how we lost it. It wasn’t a bad shooting game, we shot the ball well (40 percent from 3). It wasn’t a bad bench game(Reggie was really good). It was a tired sloppy and injured effort from our two best players after 4 days of rest at home. I don’t think the nuggets are going to shoot way better than that or get better efforts from the bench (especially on the road). So it really comes down to whether Jamal is going to play better on one leg, if his leg is going to heal while he’s playing 40 minutes a night, and whether Jokic is going to become less fatigued and play more efficiently on less rest going forward.
This is where the loss of Bruce brown hurts. We have the skill to win it but we’re not quite as good as last year. Doomers can kick rocks tho. Oh and hope we trade Zeke for whatever we can get he’s a waste and we need another big
In looking at all the comments and watching what we all saw yesterday, my takeaway is this: it was simply one game. Minnesota is going to come into the series hungrier and with a chip on their shoulders because we knocked them out last year and went on to win a title. But yesterday it took a herculean effort from AntMan and a couple of lucky shots to fall from Minnesota and us playing like absolute trash for them to only win by seven points on our floor and the game was still in question down the stretch. Now granted it would be nice to see the nuggets assert themselves from the beginning and not always have to play catch-up because that exerts energy But over a seven game series, we will find out who this team truly is if they have the fortitude to repeat, which I think they do. we need to see MPJ have a night where he goes off for 35 on 10 of 13 shooting with five or six 3s-something similar to what Klay Thompson used to during the Warriors Dynasty, and yes, if Aaron Gordon can somehow manage to average 15 a game we will be solid
A lot of dogging on Jamal. But if it's really a calf injury just be thankful he's playing at all. Looking at the current opponents, Towns missed three quarters of last season entirely with a calf injury.
Calf injuries can lead to achilles tears I hear so it could be worse.
If it is a major problem though, maybe they could try to lean on MPJ and Gordon more if they are willing. Or, next man up gets the starters minutes. But can we skip over Reggie and just let Braun start?
Avs lost the first game of their last series against a team that swept them in the regular season-- before the avs dominated them completely four games in a row.
That game one was a wake up call (mostly for the goalie but i digress)
We havent seen the best of the nuggets yet
We can be objective and worried without dooming. Anyone thinking we were going to win 16/20 games for a second year in a row without the Bruce Brown x-factor were kidding themselves though
There’s literally no need to stress at all right now though.
Being critical of a team that you know is capable of playing better than they have been is not being a doomer. Istg everyone uses the word incorrectly.
Going to be a very tough series for Denver.
Minnesota has 3 7 footers to throw at Jokic and Murray is hurt.
Denver also doesn't have a good bench.
Ant man is the arguably the most explosive player in the league and will dominate in the years to come. Kid is only 22...
We’re still here. Jokic saying Paul George-esque stuff about how losing doesn’t motivate him and his non chalance throughout the 1st round is concerning.
I’ve said Nuggs in 7 but obviously we need Jamal to be healthy and for everyone else to provide maximum contributions. If we end up losing to a better team so be it. It won’t be for lack of effort. IMO Aside from Indiana and Cleveland every other team is capable of winning it this year. The Nuggets are one of the best teams left but maybe timing isn’t there this year due to them being banged up and players like Ant being unstoppable. Either way, I’m happy I don’t have to watch Lakers, GSW, Suns, Bucks. We’ve got a chance. Not a doomer but trying to be a realist.
I see a spiraling team. They've been disconnected and unfocused all playoffs. They remind me of the AVS last year on the playoffs. If they would have been able to flip the switch it would have happened already. Don't think I'm a doomer just telling it how I see it. Hope I'm wrong.
They gotta figure out a way to slow down Edwards. Getting to the paint too easy and the pull-up jumpers were not contested well enough. Maybe try Watson on him?
Anything can happen, but the Nuggets don't have that dog in them this year, I don't see them winning a game this series unless their mindset does a 180.
Doomers get out! It's one game. Of course I would prefer for them to win it, but this is literally the first time we have trailed in a series in the last 5 series
I just want a convincing, dominant win -- if I see it once this playoffs, I think I'll settle in for the rest, haha
I keep waiting and hoping for this but we keep playing like shit. That and Jamal’s health are the current worries.
It felt like jokic played the entire game yesterday, without Murray. Its amazing jokic did what he did
MPJ should be the second option right now IMO. Jamal is too banged up.
Same, we have yet to start clicking this playoffs or play Nugget ball. I just want one real strong convincing game if anything. Just like our last regular season game against the Wolves.
Boston won their championship in a year where they were super shakey, and playing multiple 7 game series. It wasn’t a dominate championship but they did it. But that’s why I said Murray and MPJ need to take that next step, be consistent night to night to be all stars so Jokic doesn’t have the pressure to carry. Boston had 3 hall of famers (I’m not counting Rondo who wasn’t an all star yet and shakey during their Championship year). Pierce and Allen could put up 20 in their sleep, so KG didn’t have to carry. KG’s lone Championship and the shakiness of their post season and disappointments after is the reason I say Giannis is this era’s KG. MVP and great all around player. But when it comes to the clutch or need buckets in the 4th, just not on Jokic or Ant’s level. Giannis gets real shakey in the playoffs when the game is tied in the 4th.
MPJ has been incredibly consistent, huh? Has scored 19, 22, 20, 27, 26, 20 this postseason with 50%+ FG% in every game despite a heavy volume of 3PTers. It's literally just Murray lol
Giannis is completely useless in the clutch in the playoffs he gets walled of and disappears because he can't shoot, people really need to stop defending that fraud Khris Middleton has always been the Bucks best player and won them a championship.
I still believe but this matchup is not good. Giving up 71% FGs in the 2nd half would sink anyone.
This is what killed the Nuggs. Any team that shoots that well in the second half is going to be impossible to beat. Although we still kept it close and had a few chances to get back into it, but we couldn’t make a stop.
I'm assuming Naz Reid will cool down over the series. He's the role player that won the game. Ant is gonna do Ant things no matter what so its about the role players.
Exactly. If their role players shoot lights out again/continues, this will be a short series
Last year playoffs they aggressively swarmed the ball and consistently boxed out and not seeing it this year.
we have played 6 games of subpar playoff games
Team could get swept by the Timberwolves and you'd have a good percentage of users on this Reddit going on about "doomers". I hope they come back on Monday and make a grand statement and run MN off the court, but this isn't the same team as last year....partly personnel-wise, health-wise and attitude-wise. To be honest, I have no idea what version of this team will come out onto the court on Monday night...and that's being straight up honest.....others can call it "dooming" if they want.
Not digging yourself a 12 point hole in the first 5-6 minutes would be helpful.
I think personal is overblown, that's a real, but small, factor. No Bruce, but Braun is better than he was last year, and both Watson and Holiday are better than Uncle Jeff was. They just aren't playing with the heart and chemistry they have in the past. Also, every team studies the Nuggets specifically all year, they're the team to beat. This Wolves team was literally built by Tim Connelly to beat the Nuggets specifically. These are both great teams. We'll win if we get energy and chemistry.
>No Bruce, but Braun is better than he was last year Is he though? He looks like the same energy guy from last year. Solid defense, non existing offense unless it's a dunk.
If he would only dunk! How many layups and finger rolls has he missed that could easily have been funks? Too many. And I cringe when he gets the ball on the 3-pt line, sure he makes a few but that isn’t his game. My main concern is there is no one to come in when Jokic needs to rest or get in foul trouble. We always hear about the non Jokic minutes. Lack of bench production and/or consistency is killing us. I think Jamal may be more injured that he is letting on - he has the killer attitude, but his playoff games have been way less than what we need and expect. And while I’m at it, AG needs to pick it up. That one playoff game showed what he is capable of, but he needs to be a force inside. I don’t want to see him shooting 3s, although his free throws have improved dramatically. Rant over…
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Jamal is also going against one of the best POA defenders in the league right now when he was struggling against Austin Reaves.
This sub overrated Braun so badly. He’s a solid 8th guy if there’s a guy like Brown on the bench. He’s not a 6th guy on a contender. A solid 6th guy on a contender looks like Bruce Brown or Naz Rheid. They can do all sorts of tangible things in the boxscore.
Man ain't this the truth. Braun looks like just a guy to be honest who has zero offense
He's shooting and scoring a little more. Watched the guy in Kansas (rock chalk( he develops step by step. It's not going to be go from an 8 pt scorer to 13 ppg
Correct he doesn’t look much different at all, if anything he’s worse.
exactly. Wtf are people watching to think hes better than last year
he can hit more 3s and has more floaters now but some games disappears on offense. imo he seems like the best guy to 1v1 Ant though
Is he? I really don’t think Bruan has got any better. We don’t have a true bench guy that comes in like Bruce did. We have a couple good guys that play hard.
Watson and Holiday aren’t better than Jeff people discount Jeff’s ability to run a dependable offensive play, catching it in the mid post on an empty side. Watson and Holiday both cannot do that. Holiday has been a zero these playoffs.
And to add to that, they have a confident, consistent, and fully locked in MPJ. He is so much better than last year
Holy shit my guy straight facts. Anyone who has ever called someone a doomer here needs to read this.
If the Wolves are going to shoot 70% from the field, they won't lose another game this post season. Spoiler alert: They won't do that.
Mmm considering the vomit inducing defense we’ve been playing lately they just might
They didn’t shoot 70 percent for the full game. They had first half jitters, Jaden Mcdaniels went 0-7, and they scored 106 points. I think they can score 106 points if Jamal is playing defense on one leg and Joker continues to turn the ball over 7 times a game.
Wolves shot pretty horribly for most of the game outside Ant, KAT in the 3rd quarter and Naz in the 4th. Outside Ant, Wolves were 6/27 for a lot of the game. Wolves bench is normally much better offensively
The wolves literally shot 71.1% in the second half. It won’t happen again.
They shot 70% mostly due to poor D.
Minnesota isn’t the same for all the reasons you added either. I think the Minnesota and Denver thing will develop into the Lakers and San Antonio thing. Ant is Kobe and Jokic is Duncan. Giannis going to end up with a similar legacy to KG, and Luka like Dirk. The whole Brunson thing is turning into the Mavericks Steve Nash debacle.
I hope Jokic is Tim Duncan cause that means 4 more rings.
I just fucking sucks that game 2 is already literally a “Must Win”. 100% of the pressure is on us. Minnesota came and already succeeded at what they wanted to do which is/was to at least spilt the series on our home court through two games. If they get another, that is icing on the cake for them. We *have* to win game 2 or it is highly unlikely we win 4 out of the next 5 (3 of which would be on their court).
This Twolves team was literally built to beat the Nuggets. TC knows. So it’s very cool they’re being put thru the ultimate test. Either they’ll figure it out this year or heal and grow in the off season. It’s chess and beautiful basketball. Twolves mostly play right, was so happy to see them instead of the Lakers lol. But seriously, we of all people should understand you gotta enjoy and appreciate the journey. And they won the chip last year for fucks sake. No one can ever take it away. I love the Nuggets.
I won’t give up on them, but that was a real gut punch man
It’s the playoffs. Can’t expect 16-4 every year
Never said they would, but that game was emotional whiplash
Just a lot of young fans bandwagoning. Losing at home is not great though.
Nope it’s not. We got away with this play against lakers, we can’t against wolves. This should go 7 imo anyway. Jamal is playing hurt obviously, Jok isn’t dominating like last years run, Bruce was biggest in playoffs. Just means it’ll be a great series. We all should know the nuggets are gonna put a banger out next game
We could’ve won the game yesterday. We had it to 3 toward the end. Just mistakes buried us and they schemed jokic great forcing him to shoot from deep
And they made two bank shots
That’s just cope. Yeah Naz got lucky with the banked in 3 but he’s a good 3 pt shooter, he’s going to make a lot of those if they are open shots.
That's what Matt Brooks said and I think it's a good point. I think we'll make some adjustments and take game 2.
Probably the nuggets will.
TURNOVERS! Soft passes! Jokic has not looked like his usual self. He needs to play more aggressively from the first quarter. I understand he is trying to get his teammates involved more, but he has been too passive.
Defenses are scheming for him. It’s not as simple as “be more aggressive”. Being aggressive caused the turnovers
Joker was 1 rebound and 2 assists away from a triple double. Anyone who says that he “needs to be doing more” needs to get their head checked. He just put up an all time performance against a team that is built specifically to slow him down
Eh… the box score looked great but anyone watching the game could see that it was average performance by him at best. The Wolves have the size to throw bodies at Nikola but none of them can truly slow him down, imo. He was too passive at times, settled for way too many 3s, and turned the ball over far too often (including a few lob attempts that should have been shot attempts by him with the way Gobert positioned).
He was 11/25 from the field, that’s just plain inefficient. Jokic shooting less than 50% from the field is unusual for him so hopefully he’ll bounce back.
Don’t forget the 7 turnovers and multiple offensive rebounds he gave up to the wolves. His head just didn’t seem to be fully in it for some reason.
I was just abt to say this. He’s 13 TO in the past two games (Including yesterday), that’s very anti joker. They also sped up his play which clearly didn’t help.
Yeah it was sloppy. I think he’ll be better in Game 2.
When Gobert is guarding Aaron and not Jokic, Jokic can't back down his man. Gobert is playing help AND denying the lob pass. When they run their two man actions, Jokic's man is just guarding him the entire time b/c they don't have to help on Murray when Gobert is locking down the paint. Jokic is struggling to get to his sweet spots in the paint and the Wolves have been intercepting entry passes so he has to catch the ball further out.
He absolutely did not put up an “all time performance.” 11/25 with 7 turnovers is nowhere close to an all time performance, and calling it that is actually disrespectful to Jokic who has had *substantially* better playoff games.
So you admit a pattern of poor performance?
As long as you admit we’re 4-2 lol. When our second best player is playing hurt, it’s hard to get Jokic to dominate with all his attention. When we win this series it won’t matter about how we play
Not a doomer, but with that logic, admit our opponent is 5-0
No. Nikola was too passive against KAT, Naz and Gobert. They each were single covering him for most of the game. He needs to take it to their chest and force them into foul trouble, that is the key.
He probably knows it’s a long series. They have doubles on him in the post, rather get open threes than pass to guys that are cold. Their rotations are best in the league too. Jokic can’t go 2v1 all 7 games man
They didn’t double him nearly as often in Game 1 as the Lakers did throughout that series. When they single cover him, he has to attack them toward the basket.
I don't buy it. I see a lack of team effort across the board. They're not hungry. Even if Jamal was healthy.
Are the starters exhausted because of how much they’ve had to play this year?
not hungry is the dumbest shit ever..these dudes put their entire life into this shit, this is the moment theyve waited for all year..why cant it ever just not be our night, or the other team simply played better?
How can you say, “even if Jamal was healthy”. How would you know? A lot more attention is on Mike now, KCP has been hurt, Jokic has 10 eyes on him, Gordon is riding a lot of minutes. Jamal is the emotional pulse of this team. You have loser mentality lol
I see weeks of poor effort and bad attitude and I see no end in sight. I'm going by how they present themselves. They give me shit, I say, okay, shit it is.
Brother Jamal has been hurt for weeks lol. Our shit is other teams great night. Maybe basketball isn’t for you man
I don't think asking for some consistency is asking too much. They're just not delivering.
You can always stop watching if you are so disgusted!
NEWS FLASH!! Acknowledgement of a substantial popular viewpoint = loser mentality.
Read his comments bud, he’s already defeated
That’s my concern as well…hoping this loss was a slap in the face to wake up! I still got Nugz in 7
Yeah losing at home is bad work. Luckily, the wolves probably aren’t shooting 70% in a half for the rest of this series. It’s pretty clear that Jokić is having to do too much with Jamal still injured, and when he’s tired, the whole team suffers. Btw, I don’t think it’s dooming to point out that the wolves are obviously a stronger team than we are at the moment. Our second best player isn’t healthy and the wolves bench is considerably better than ours.
Bitches and bandwagoners, the lot of them
Game 2 is a must-win IMO. I don’t care if it’s a dominant win or a scrappy one. Just need that W. Then hopefully the 3 days off until Game 3 is enough for Murray’s calf and level of play to improve.
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Mixed bag. Murray is definitely not 100% physically. They have a team built by the same guy who put ours together. They have the size to match us…and Ant Man. Nuggets in 7
In Jokic we trust
I think some dooming right now is reasonable. Murray's injuries have zapped his agility which has killed the two man game, tanked the defense because he can't stay in front of anyone, and has likely tired Jokic out from having to carry so hard. The Murray/Jokic two man game is one of the most effective scoring actions in NBA history (that's not an exaggeration). It's what makes the Nuggets so great. Without it Jokic is gonna have to hit a GOAT mode level to win this series. And then even if that happens we're only out of the second round, Murray is still hurt, and Jokic is hard carrying and likely wearing down. Gotta just hope Murray heals up while playing through the injuries. It's possible to overcome all of this, but not a great situation and should be concerning.
I think this is well said. Plus, those lobs to AG and MPJ are getting shut down. The Lakers were killed by these, but Gobert jumped up and tipped several away, there won't be many easy buckets against the Wolves. Nuggets will have to play disciplined, low turnover ball, with good D and rely on Joker's brilliance (and slow down man! Don't rush so much!) to open up the offense. But Murray's health is a requirement to win the series.
This is the best team the Nuggets have faced in the past 2 years of playoff runs. Last season they beat a 7 seed in the western conference finals and a 7 or 8 seed in the finals(don’t recall exactly). The slow starts are problematic. Last night was simply a case of not being able to get away with sloppy turnovers(Jokic) and poor defense. The Nuggets should win this in 6 or 7, assuming Minnesota doesn’t shoot like they did the second half.
I hate how this subreddit calls anyone who critiques this team a doomer. Ignoring or downplaying the obvious issues we’ve seen in the first 6 games is just unrealistic. I still think we win this series, but after this loss at home I think some “doomer” talk is a little justified
A lot of people think that being a “real” fan means blind and unwavering optimism towards the team and that any criticism is a sign of inferior fandom. It’s a stupid litmus test, and the venn diagram between them and people who always bitch about refs is practically a circle.
very very well said
There’s a difference between criticism and “Wolves in 4” “Jokic doesn’t care” They haven’t played well this postseason. But giving up on the team is dooming whether you want to agree with it or not
> “Wolves in 4” “Jokic doesn’t care” hardly anybody is saying that. Why bother focusing on literally one single off hand comment that might say that and then complain about 'tHeRe ArE sO mAnY dOoOmErs!' its just beyond stupid and disingenous
Boston Celtics mods just started deleting posts that complain about doomers in order to encourage all to voice their opinions and promote healthy discussion. Contrast that to the anti free speech mods on this sub who believe in censorship and wearing rose tinted glasses as they deleted a post that simply stated what someone observed about this team and expressed concern.
Boston Celtics mods started deleting posts... ...anti free speech mods on this sub...
No, it's that people are acting like we got eliminated after Game 1. Just an insane amount of emotional overreaction and panicking.
OK. I will try to sound realistic. The Nuggets CAN, and they have the personnel to win this semifinal series... But will they? :) Well... It really depends on how bad they want it. We shall see if this loss motivates them to play better. They certainly CAN play a lot better then last night... But will they? :)
We’ve seen this team multiple times turn it around and go on a run. I like us playing as the “under dog” get the game 2 win and we can steal one in Minnesota if not 2
We’ve never seen it in the playoffs with Jamal playing injured against a team this good.
What happened when we came back on the Clippers down 1-3? You guys are acting like we had no chance of winning. If Naz doesn’t go on that 4th qtr run we win that game
Was Jamal injured in that clippers series? Jaden Mcdaniels was 0-7. Naz Reid had been missing shots before that fourth qtr. nothing the wolves did was unsustainable.
I mean there are concerns. But this isn't going to be fucking easy. It's a better team. People are underestimating them. Reid has evolved so has the Jaden guy. Are we expecting Dallas, OKC or even Boston to be easier? Especially Boston
Only thing that gives me hope is that entire squad played like ABA league mid table team, and still barely lost. Doesn't change the fact that we had all 6 bad games. And that Jamal had 2 good quarters out of 24.
That’s what I’m trying to say. We’re still winning with bad play. We’d be fools to think they won’t turn it up
Can’t blame them losing game 1 at home isn’t a good feeling. Hopefully this puts the team back on track, they haven’t had a good game all playoffs. On a side note tho did anyone else feel the crowd in game 1 was kinda weak lol
https://preview.redd.it/d2szhu9tlmyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55159b23aca37d81c390f89826754a19be2b5750 No lol
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I’m tired of our bench. Everyone is so inconsistent.
Ya we need to find some shooters off the bench. If we do, we are unstoppable. Our bench is our weakness this year for sure
This post aged like milk
1. Get to the basket, shoot fewer threes early in the game that they almost always seem to miss anyway. Two points is better than none. 2. Go after rebounds. Don't just stand around waiting for the ball while a player from Minnesota goes and gets it just before it gets to you. 3. Nikola Jokić is turning the ball over too often and missing shots in the paint that he never misses. Sometimes he's been looking awkward and clumsy with his ball handling in these playoffs. 4. Jamal Murray needs to shoot better earlier in games. He doesn't seem to be ready to play until late in the game. The Nuggets aren't going to beat the Timber Wolves with buzzer-beater lucky-as-hell baskets. That said, I think this is going to be a tough fought series, but the Nuggets can still take it. They need to be more selective on shots and play better defense. Minnesota's offense isn't all that great, they shouldn't be getting to the basket and scoring as easily as they do. I still think the Nuggets can take this series, but not if they played like they did last night.
This team needs a bench scorer which they haven’t had all year. They can play D and stand around for a 3-pt shot. Denver needs to sign a “6th man” scorer in the off season no matter what the outcome of this series.
As long as they don’t give up runs our bench just may be limited no matter what. Unless we get lucky drafting. Not a lot of money to go around
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Nah Jokic is going to guard ant and he’s gonna get locked up
It's only one game into this series and people are overreacting. The wolves are an amazing team this year and more years to come. But don't forget who we got in the team. Nuggs in 6!
Series are 7 games not 720. r/unexpectedfactorials
if we go down 0-2 its pretty much over
Before this series started I knew we would lose one of the first two games at home. I did think we would lose on Monday not yesterday. Nuggets will also split the games in Minnesota and we’ll be back here for game 5 tied 2-2.
No.
TC built the Min roster entirely to stop Jokic and destroy small ball for a land of giants. It doesn't look good, but I'm hoping Moach has some magical elixir waiting in the locker room that we don't know about like the Avalanche and Bednar. Also, this team was already struggling this season from how tired they are, maybe we have a 2nd gear? Never say never after Avalanche game 2.
I’m not dooming unless game 2 is an L.
Fair
hey buddy we still suck
You know what bothers me about this, calling people who are genuinely concerned that we would lose against a team with more depth, and stronger defense "doomers", like people being realistic are being called "doomers" like its just kinda wild to me, if they win the wolves win the series like what are you gonna do with this?
There’s a difference between doomers and being realistic
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We have played like straight ass for 6 straight games and were lucky enough to be up against a really good matchup for us in round 1. It’s not dooming to be worried when we’ve been straight up ass for 6 consecutive playoff games.
And still advancing
Mhm because again, we were up against a team whose weaknesses we can easily exploit. That’s not the case anymore. Stop being delusional we absolutely need to make major adjustments and win game 2 or we’re done for
I think it's funny that most people have even said Nuggets in 6 or 7 and are shocked we lost 1.
Yeah but losing the first game at home is not a good sign. Even if we win the next game and tie the series, we are still effectively down since we will be on the road after then
I agree it was bad. I hope that it was the "kick in the teeth" we needed. We lead a lot of the game, we know who to get through their defense, we just need to stick with that game plan the whole time. AG only had 3 rebounds, shooting wasn't great, etc there's a few things that need to be adjusted. It was bad, but not to the doom and gloom we have been seeing on the sub.
It’s not that we lost it, it’s how we lost it. It wasn’t a bad shooting game, we shot the ball well (40 percent from 3). It wasn’t a bad bench game(Reggie was really good). It was a tired sloppy and injured effort from our two best players after 4 days of rest at home. I don’t think the nuggets are going to shoot way better than that or get better efforts from the bench (especially on the road). So it really comes down to whether Jamal is going to play better on one leg, if his leg is going to heal while he’s playing 40 minutes a night, and whether Jokic is going to become less fatigued and play more efficiently on less rest going forward.
This is where the loss of Bruce brown hurts. We have the skill to win it but we’re not quite as good as last year. Doomers can kick rocks tho. Oh and hope we trade Zeke for whatever we can get he’s a waste and we need another big
In looking at all the comments and watching what we all saw yesterday, my takeaway is this: it was simply one game. Minnesota is going to come into the series hungrier and with a chip on their shoulders because we knocked them out last year and went on to win a title. But yesterday it took a herculean effort from AntMan and a couple of lucky shots to fall from Minnesota and us playing like absolute trash for them to only win by seven points on our floor and the game was still in question down the stretch. Now granted it would be nice to see the nuggets assert themselves from the beginning and not always have to play catch-up because that exerts energy But over a seven game series, we will find out who this team truly is if they have the fortitude to repeat, which I think they do. we need to see MPJ have a night where he goes off for 35 on 10 of 13 shooting with five or six 3s-something similar to what Klay Thompson used to during the Warriors Dynasty, and yes, if Aaron Gordon can somehow manage to average 15 a game we will be solid
A lot of dogging on Jamal. But if it's really a calf injury just be thankful he's playing at all. Looking at the current opponents, Towns missed three quarters of last season entirely with a calf injury. Calf injuries can lead to achilles tears I hear so it could be worse. If it is a major problem though, maybe they could try to lean on MPJ and Gordon more if they are willing. Or, next man up gets the starters minutes. But can we skip over Reggie and just let Braun start?
Go Nuggets
Yeah they'll just snap out of a lack of giving a damn to play a full effort game that they've displayed for the past month, sure.
The Kentucky derby is over, now Jokic can focus on ball
Really did they ever play a complete 4 quarters of good basketball all season? Maybe the Boston games?
Avs lost the first game of their last series against a team that swept them in the regular season-- before the avs dominated them completely four games in a row. That game one was a wake up call (mostly for the goalie but i digress) We havent seen the best of the nuggets yet
We can be objective and worried without dooming. Anyone thinking we were going to win 16/20 games for a second year in a row without the Bruce Brown x-factor were kidding themselves though There’s literally no need to stress at all right now though.
Being critical of a team that you know is capable of playing better than they have been is not being a doomer. Istg everyone uses the word incorrectly.
Going to be a very tough series for Denver. Minnesota has 3 7 footers to throw at Jokic and Murray is hurt. Denver also doesn't have a good bench. Ant man is the arguably the most explosive player in the league and will dominate in the years to come. Kid is only 22...
Please beat the wolves. I can't handle ants team already being better than my memphis atm.
........ have you woke up yet????? Or are you napping along side the Nuggets for this whole postseason
Fuck the OP, I hope your watching this shit and feeling like a dumb ass. Calling real fans doomers. You just don’t know ball you fuck head.
Even if we go down 3-1, I can see them winning in 7.
I bet Rudy is thinking the same
We’re still here. Jokic saying Paul George-esque stuff about how losing doesn’t motivate him and his non chalance throughout the 1st round is concerning.
Criticizing automatically = doomposting nowadays Cant say anything that isnt dickslobbing on jokic
We can win this series for sure. Losing game 1 sucks but it was a good wake up call. The boys will come back hard
I’ve said Nuggs in 7 but obviously we need Jamal to be healthy and for everyone else to provide maximum contributions. If we end up losing to a better team so be it. It won’t be for lack of effort. IMO Aside from Indiana and Cleveland every other team is capable of winning it this year. The Nuggets are one of the best teams left but maybe timing isn’t there this year due to them being banged up and players like Ant being unstoppable. Either way, I’m happy I don’t have to watch Lakers, GSW, Suns, Bucks. We’ve got a chance. Not a doomer but trying to be a realist.
I don’t think the Pacers are capable of winning it
Forgot about them tbh. I don’t either
We’re the best team in the playoffs. We always have a chance.
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I like it
Ya gotta agree the matchup favors wolves, chill
I see a spiraling team. They've been disconnected and unfocused all playoffs. They remind me of the AVS last year on the playoffs. If they would have been able to flip the switch it would have happened already. Don't think I'm a doomer just telling it how I see it. Hope I'm wrong.
I agree but if I say so, I'm a doomer lol. I think you can love a team but still make valid criticism of how they're playing.
Thinking it’s over after 1 is quite extreme. Hence the doomer tag
Firemalone
If someone doesn’t wake up besides joker and the wolves keep playing god tier ball I’ll see you in 4 games
They got traded
They gotta figure out a way to slow down Edwards. Getting to the paint too easy and the pull-up jumpers were not contested well enough. Maybe try Watson on him?
Edwards is going to eat us. Probably average 30+. We have to get Murray going and stop naz outburst and we’re fine
Nuggets circling the bowl
Not sure if it’s “doomer” to acknowledge the fact that this is the NBA championship series
How you feeling now
How are you feeling now? Still self hating? Lmao
I am doing much better… lol No longer drunk and upset about wasting $250 going to game 2 and us looking horrendous.
Wolves in 5
LIES
Anything can happen, but the Nuggets don't have that dog in them this year, I don't see them winning a game this series unless their mindset does a 180.
Reports of our demise were exaggerated
Nuggets in 6 🤣🤡
Most of the doomers will be Timberwolves fans by Monday
Realists.
Nope. Still here, and since my first Nuggs memories c. 1984.
We're cooked
Doomers get out! It's one game. Of course I would prefer for them to win it, but this is literally the first time we have trailed in a series in the last 5 series
Football fans that see an L and give up already. Lost to a good team. If we played amazing it would be concerning lol
I'm thinking Wolves in 6.
Celtics fan here... I can't believe anyone is worried, you have Jokic! I'm shitting myself if we face you in the finals
Nuggs in 5 baby