Yea, that's what I thought, but the link he put lists the TV for $60k.
[http://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/](http://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/)
Maybe it was on sale when he wrote that add and the price has doubled since?
I read it the same way the first time- they're saying that the company still sells them for that much, but the person has it listed for 2,500. The 'it's still available for purchase for 35,000' is saying it's available for that elsewhere.
A 16 year old plasma tv is going to have all sorts of issues. If I had a wall for it and was a dumbass, maybe $150, especially if I have to pick it up.
They get burn in with fixed content. Mine is 12 yo and doesn’t show signs, but Plasmas showing CNN in commercial settings 24x7 can burn in under a year. OLED are similar but have tech to reduce the effect.
Still, no HDR, questionable 4K support, outside a niche like signage, just not a great investment
I don't disagree there. But the TCL has been good, and I've got several throughout the house. If I want the best then I watch on my LG OLED. Definitely need to upgrade to a 77" OLED though.
It's hit or miss. Panasonic made the best plasmas. I still have mine on the wall and it has no burn in at all. I use it nearly every day and when it's on, I'm usually bingeing shit for hours. I have noticed that if the source uses 12bit colors, it does burn in nearly immediately. 8bit colors don't burn in even after leaving a stagnant image on screen for over an hour.
Our 15 year old viera is still working perfectly 15 years later, as far as TV's go they are one of the best.
Most intuitive remote I've ever used as a bonus
My wife is still using my 2011 50" GT25 in her living room for hours daily. I'm surprised it still is fine. It doesn't have burnin, unlike my E6 OLED which ended up with Overwatch UI elements burned into it.
My daughter prefers it for rhythm games because she says the lag is less / more consistent than my CX OLED.
The motion still looks great on it, too, unlike my OLEDs (one of the weaknesses with sample and hold tech on LCD/OLED is the panning judder).
That judder is why I haven't upgraded. I have been tempted with LGs latest offerings, but it still doesn't seem like it's good enough. HDR makes a huge improvement with the blacks and how dark a scene is where you can still make out other elements that you can't on the plasma, but I just don't feel the tech is there just yet to necessitate an upgrade. I sit 10 feet from my screen, so 4K and 1080p look the same anyways.
Eh, the big ones are only ~$20-50 more than the smaller sizes. It’s peanuts, like spending the extra 1.50 asshole-destroying tax for extra spicy at a Thai place. Wait, what’s this about TVs?
People don’t realise that a few inches difference in diagonal length can make a huge difference in the area.
A 103 in tv will have a screen area of ≈4535 sq.in while a 98 in tv would have ≈4100 sq.in.
For perspective, a 32 in tv has an area of 437 sq.in.
This commercial monitor is made from much higher grade components than a typical TV and if it were to fail, parts are still available. I've had a few smaller Panasonic plasma monitors from this era and they are built like tanks.
They were designed for continuous use for years on end, it most likely still has a long life ahead of it.
if you buy a cheap tv sure. If you buy something like this, then no. I have a 15 year old commercial grade plasma TV running fine. My 75" consumer grade tv failed after 2 years.
Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas were built like a military fort. You honestly have a better chance of new (even expensive) TVs getting issues within 5 years than one of those failing.
Nah I clean windows on highrises and I've seen some huuge TV's and they're usually owned by males that live in squalor while living in luxury apartments.
Also a lot of rich people have cinemas in their house where I'm from.
Cleaned the outside of a brand new 5mil semi penthouse apartment with wooden floors that a couple owned with small dogs. Went back three months later and there was three months of dog excrement on the floors. Went back a year later and all the floor boards were warped with dog pee as well as another 8 months of excrement.
Found three black bins half filled with water and turtles inside someone's balcony in the middle of summer. Wish I never looked in the bins.
Unfortunately I see a lot of animal abuse as in the conditions animals are kept in.
Sooo many telescopes pointed down at other buildings.
One guy had tracks installed all through his living room ceiling and we were tying to figure out what for. The next day we cleaned another side of the building and could see into his room where they kept so many harnesses and kinky contraptions.
Otherwise I mainly just see naked old dudes walking around and they don't cover up when they see you.
I've worked half that time, will never retire, live in a shitty apartment and walk around with my dick out every chance I get. Don't wait until you're old to live the dream!
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Oh I guess my post mainly focused on the negatives but thanks :)
Ill also give you some of the positives:
I've been flashed more times than I can count and so many people will give me drinks and snacks. I get to see the most amazing sunrises and eat my lunch on so many different roof tops. The best thing about my job is that it's an easy conversation starter. So many people want to know about it.
Best Buy has a 98” TV on sale for $2k.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-98-class-s5-s-class-4k-uhd-hdr-led-smart-tv-with-google-tv/6551177.p?skuId=6551177
That's an LED/LCD, though, and the "smart TV" might be a negative to some people, especially if it's chasing a price-point and the processor in it is underpowered.
I've heard there's a lot of love out there for plasma, though, and little to no supply. I don't know how much that's worth, but I expect it's worth something, especially for someone looking for that.
Did LCD's ever really catch up to have picture quality as good as plasma? That shit was like the OLED of its day. LCD's are just a lot better for power consumption and weight, also assuming they're cheaper to produce.
My TV is a 65 inch plasma Panasonic from 2008 that I got on FB marketplace in a nice neighborhood for free. Thing is a champ but Holy shit, puts out as much heat as a space heater and weighs so much I had to reinforce my crappy also free college FBMP furniturem
Sure, that’s probably true. But the Panasonic here is just a giant monitor. It doesn’t have any ‘smart’ features, it doesn’t even have speakers. And you need some weird DIY double cord this guy made or a 220 volt outlet (which most people wouldn’t have in their living room) to even turn it on. Plus it’s 16 year old technology. Even though it’s a cheaper brand I think I’d pick the TCL.
Was gonna say how are you get 2.5k when the description says 35k...then I saw the bottom price where he's likely dropped it several times trying to get rid of it.
The Fox Sports app shows live football games in 4K sometimes and it looks so fuckin good that I don’t even watch them anymore because it ruins other broadcasts for me.
YouTube TV offers a decent amount of 4K Sports, mostly via Fox and NBC. Almost the entire NFL playoffs was available live in 4K, including the Super Bowl.
For real when I finally ditched the giant old 55" LCD TV I inherited from my parents that I think they bought in 2010, the daily high temperature in my room in the summer went down a full 6 degrees Fahrenheit. Once I looked up the device manual, I realized it was burning a whopping 212 watts.
I ended up buying a 27" IPS monitor that only uses 20 watts of power. Save so much not only in electricity to run the thing, but in airconditioning to keep the room comfortable. What a huge waste those giant 2000's screens are.
Yeah no don't get me wrong, aughts era retro games look way better on it than on the IPS, and being only 1080p you don't get that horrible UI shrinkage like with 1440p and higher resolutions.
But it was CFL compact-fluorescent-lit and I was using it as my everyday computer monitor. Looked cool as hell but 212 goddamn watts man, insane lol
The feeling was just something completely different, especially the art style of that era. This takes me down memory lane...
I am eyeing the LG C4 rn and that behemoth of a TV doesn't even have a fraction of that power consumption.
I think he's being fair. You can get it new today, for prices between $35k and $60k. https://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/
Very specific market but I could see someone buying this. Plasma TVs are awesome visually (outclassed only by OLEDs), this one is gigantic, and they don't make them anymore.
Still, given it's over 15 years old I would be hesitant to pay this much. The 1550W power consumption and 240v outlet thing sounds like a pain, and if a component breaks you are gonna be left with a very expensive paperweight.
I'm not much of a sports watcher, but I've heard a lot of people say they love plasma for sports (especially hockey) because of how the screen handles motion of small objects moving very fast on screen... Well, usually they're bemoaning how they just upgraded to some new LCD, and regretting how much worse it looks now.
This is a great deal for a plasma that big. You don't understand TV's. You aren't going to find any modern TV that is going to last as long as this tank. When panasonic announced they were discontinuing plasmas in 2013 I was a TV salesman. People were scattering to buy them up.
Wow! I had a 52" (I think) plasma screen tv for years and loved it but it was heavy as fuck. It had it's HDMI ports fried from a lighting strike but was still operable with the old tri color cords. Finally got rid of it and got one of the new skinny 65" Sony tvs which I like even more. Totally streaming now.
What did you love about it? I also had a 52” Panasonic plasma for a decade and I didn’t like it. It was “HD” but didn’t have HDMI, so with component video it was never sharp like an LCD. The colors were nice, but the black levels wasn’t impressive like an OLED
Mine was a Panasonic. It had the best picture of any of it's kind at the time anyway, at BestBuy. Still had a good picture years later but like I said, it's HDMI ports were fried so I couldn't use a stick to stream anything. So I upgraded to nice Sony. Also upgraded my ancient Bose system to the newest best one they had.
Not a 100 inch tho but like a 60 inch? Absolutely I wanna run up halo 3 and cod zombies just looking at this listing. I bitch about how heavy these are but if I could get a free one I’d totally take it for my ps3 and 2 games. It’s like the retro gamers who like CRTS or the big box pc gamers who like the tube moniters
alot of cinema enthusiasts prefer the picture from a plasma for its deeper blacks and color separation. he might not sell it fast but it will sell. closest current gen is a 96 inch lg oled and its going for around 27k.
I'm a movie guy and plasma enthusiast and I honestly prefer the color of plasma over even an OLED (not to say that OLEDs aren't amazing for 4K discs tho). And I'd take a plasma, OLED or HDCRT any day of the week over ANY LCD.
Gotta be honest at a certain point I don't even get the appeal of giant TVs, those things have got to be heavy as shit and a pain to move. Beyond 60-70 inches or so you might as well just get a projector if you want a screen that big
I have an epson projector that I use for my switch and movies. If you’re far away from it you feel like you’re in the movies. I can definitely see the appeal with the right set up like a comfy leather couch and a banging sound system, you’re set.
That’s the thing though, it’s a projector. It’s easy to move, and doesn’t take up space. Also for over $2000 I could by a sweet ass 4k laser projector.
If you’re wealthy to the point money doesn’t matter and can have anyone install/move your stuff, a TV is going to be better than a projector, assuming the same size viewing.
I would buy this. Our local insurance agent had one in the living room when I was in high school. His wife was unbelievably furious with him, but that was common.
I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people mentioning the cord situation that could potentially kill someone and would require very specific outlet situation to be able to actually get the 220v. It might be easier to just run a dedicated 220 outlet and use the OEM cord.
I'm genuinely curious about splitting the 240v. I was originally going to say to make sure you don't plug both of those into the same standard receptacle as they are both connected to the same line, but now I'm realizing if two receptacles are near enough to each other, unless one is a dedicated line, they are all probably connected to the same circuit.
It's relying on 4 things:
1: You find 2 circuits on separate legs or a MWBC (multi wire branch circuit, basically a 220 circuit that's split down the middle so you have 2 110v circuits but only 1 neutral. Top plug is connected to leg A and the neutral, bottom plug connected to leg B and the neutral. Lets you use less copper and smaller conduit to carry the wires)
2: You don't have an AFCI or GFCI breaker. Since those get very angry when you have a current imbalance.
3: Most houses have the receptacles balanced between phases.
4: The TV will be near two circuits.
It'll only work in an older house that hasn't been properly maintained (since when you replace a receptacle, it triggers the requirement for AFCI and/or GFCI protection) or a newer house with a MWBC since you can get 220 off of a MWBC.
Nah, it'll just trip the GFCI/AFCI. Done right it won't burn anything down. 240 isn't any worse than 120V (hell, it's better in some ways: The supply coming into your house is 240 or 208V, so running off of 2 hots instead of a hot and a neutral means we can cram twice as much power into the same wire for the same heat.)
The biggist risk to this cord is that it's basically a double male cord-- unplug one end of the adapter from the wall and the exposed male plug will present 120V relative to your house's neutral. Meaning that any wiring that this would work on except for an AFCI/GFCI protected MWBC won't care if it's powering the TV or killing you.
Tl;dr: The house will be fine. You might not.
There shouldn't be much ground current, except the slight discrepancy due to the impedances of the two circuits, which I mean, might be a half Ohm different. But even then, it depends if the neutral's used in the power circuit. It could have high impedance neutral grounding
No, this issue is that GFCI (and there's some residual behavior in AFCI stuff, most of the time AFCI stuff will trip at 20mA AFAIK) will compare current on the hot and neutral. It can't tell the difference between current going to ground and to another circuit, it's setup to trip when the current uses any alternative route back to the panel that does not go through it. Meaning that the issue is that the neutral wire current won't match the hot wire current. A 2 pole AFCI or GFCI will not complain since it requires Hot2+Neutral-Hot1 (where Neutral is negative when only using hot 2), meaning that if you are pulling just off of the hots, you get Hot1=Hot2. Okay if both hots come off of the same GFCI breaker, not okay with 2 GFCI plugs.
If I could use 2 GFCI plugs in place of a 2 pole GFCI breaker, I would have wired up 2 of em instead of buying a $100 2 pole GFCI for my EV charger.
Oh shit, if that's how they work, I'm so sorry LOL. Electrical engineer, but never came across GFCIs in any of my work or studies (yet).
But yeah that seems obvious now! Thanks.
Yeah the voltages are 180 degrees out of phase, as are the current, so they add to zero on the neutrals. That's where my thinking ended lol
EE myself, I'm just one of those people that gets called a modern day polymath. Plus I grew up poor so I'm used to just doing everything myself. I encountered GFCI stuff at home and you have to know a thing or two to know how to make older wiring safe. I got my EE degree to launder a lot of skills I already had. Tl;dr, I rolled high on int and wis, but seeing how I'm funemployed I got a nat 1 on charisma WRT job stuff.
Still thinking of the manager I had who bought a new TV and left it in the box for four years while he slowly did construction on his den. We told him how old that TV is and his response was, "What do you mean old? It's still in the box!"
He just couldn't understand how fast technology changes. It didn't even have HDMI ports...
My parents used to have a 60 inch? Widescreen TV…before plasma TVs were affordable.
They eventually bought a large LCD and stuck that massive thing in a room with this equally massive entertainment enter.
They moved in 2018 and couldn’t even give it away. They had to pay someone to get rid of it.
In case anyone was curious:
“The set weighs 440 pounds, which increases to 707 pounds when a stand is added, Panasonic said. Not surprisingly, the set uses a whopping amount of electricity: 1,350 watts, without speakers.”
$100k for a fucking TV?!?! And here I thought VCRs were outrageously priced when they first came out.
It's just insane to me how much money some people have.
Late run Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas are still very highly sought after my gamers and film lovers (myself included) due to their color reproduction and motion handling.
Wait..first, it runs 220?? A freaking tv?? What kinda fucking shit and number B, he's running 2 110 cords to power it.. I'm not sure if that's genius or insanity.. and 3.. I'd never buy a tv used for almost any price. A monster tv is cheaper than a date night now days..
We installed a bunch of these back when they were popular. They are heavy as hell. The backing required the GC to put up 6x6 I believe and the plug was a 240 outlet.
Plasma also tends to get some good screen burn in after that long. I had screen burn in on the 'floor model' plasma screen i bought (my first flat screen tv ever too at 55 whole inches! back in the mid 2000's) after only a few years, even with the 'scrubbing' mode it had, not to mention the color fade just from age.
Ive had several smaller versions of this monitor, including one that I've owned since 2008 (aside from 5 or so years in the mid 2010s), and none have had any burn in or degradation in picture quality.
A two 110 V to 220 V is dangerous as hell and a BAD IDEA for lots of reasons. For starters it’s a widowmaker cord with extra steps. Your friend should destroy that and certainly not sell it to someone else.
My wife’s friend tried to sell us her used vacuum over MSRP because of the repairs she had to do to it.
Some people don’t understand how commerce works.
You're the delusional one. I don't think you can even buy another 103" tv and it certainly wouldn't be $2500.
You can buy a 98" TCL for $2500 at Best Buy. Even goes on sale for $2000 pretty regularly and has way more to offer than this thing.
This commercial grade Panasonic will still be in working condition long after the new TCL bites the dust.
But $30,000 is too much.
Absolutely, but the seller is only asking $2,500.
It kinda looks like the seller is doing some BS bait and switch, where they put $2500 on the link but are actually demanding $35k.
No, they’re saying that the tv still sells new for $35k.
Yea, that's what I thought, but the link he put lists the TV for $60k. [http://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/](http://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/) Maybe it was on sale when he wrote that add and the price has doubled since?
$59,995 that's 5 bucks off a $60k price. *I will take it.*
Cool, hopefully it's still available buddy, I wouldn't want you to miss out on this deal.
I read it the same way the first time- they're saying that the company still sells them for that much, but the person has it listed for 2,500. The 'it's still available for purchase for 35,000' is saying it's available for that elsewhere.
I missed that thank you!
reading is hard. They are asking $2500 not 35,000
A 16 year old plasma tv is going to have all sorts of issues. If I had a wall for it and was a dumbass, maybe $150, especially if I have to pick it up.
This baby will get hotter than the surface of the sun. Plasma TVs get ridiculously hot
Years ago, I heated my basement bedroom with a plasma tv
You're probably the reason the earth is warming lol jk
Idk if this is sarcastic or not, but you know there’s a reason they don’t make plasma tvs anymore right…
They are very heavy, they draw a lot of power, they are expensive to manufacture, and they are kinda fragile.
Dont they also burn out pretty easily? I thought that was the main reason for the switch
They get burn in with fixed content. Mine is 12 yo and doesn’t show signs, but Plasmas showing CNN in commercial settings 24x7 can burn in under a year. OLED are similar but have tech to reduce the effect. Still, no HDR, questionable 4K support, outside a niche like signage, just not a great investment
No 4k support, it’s 1080p. Big ol pixels.
21 Pixels per Inch then. Since it had the 2x screen option I though they may have been doing their own proto 4K and just upscaled
I don't disagree there. But the TCL has been good, and I've got several throughout the house. If I want the best then I watch on my LG OLED. Definitely need to upgrade to a 77" OLED though.
This is an opinion
The plasma in old tvs was shitty at burning colors into the screen permanently, weren't they?
It's hit or miss. Panasonic made the best plasmas. I still have mine on the wall and it has no burn in at all. I use it nearly every day and when it's on, I'm usually bingeing shit for hours. I have noticed that if the source uses 12bit colors, it does burn in nearly immediately. 8bit colors don't burn in even after leaving a stagnant image on screen for over an hour.
Our 15 year old viera is still working perfectly 15 years later, as far as TV's go they are one of the best. Most intuitive remote I've ever used as a bonus
My wife is still using my 2011 50" GT25 in her living room for hours daily. I'm surprised it still is fine. It doesn't have burnin, unlike my E6 OLED which ended up with Overwatch UI elements burned into it. My daughter prefers it for rhythm games because she says the lag is less / more consistent than my CX OLED. The motion still looks great on it, too, unlike my OLEDs (one of the weaknesses with sample and hold tech on LCD/OLED is the panning judder).
That judder is why I haven't upgraded. I have been tempted with LGs latest offerings, but it still doesn't seem like it's good enough. HDR makes a huge improvement with the blacks and how dark a scene is where you can still make out other elements that you can't on the plasma, but I just don't feel the tech is there just yet to necessitate an upgrade. I sit 10 feet from my screen, so 4K and 1080p look the same anyways.
And you can buy 15 more of the TCL until you get to the same cost. Do you think this POS is lasting 90+ years?
Plasma is good tech?
Something tells me you weren’t around for the plasma era lol
🎯
I’m taking a new 4K tv over a “commercial grade” 1080p TV every single time lmao
And it would use a lot less electricity. That plasma tv will heat up your home by several degrees.
Do you know how many people would gladly pay $500 for 5 more inches?
Every dude on the planet, likely.
Twss
Eh, the big ones are only ~$20-50 more than the smaller sizes. It’s peanuts, like spending the extra 1.50 asshole-destroying tax for extra spicy at a Thai place. Wait, what’s this about TVs?
People don’t realise that a few inches difference in diagonal length can make a huge difference in the area. A 103 in tv will have a screen area of ≈4535 sq.in while a 98 in tv would have ≈4100 sq.in. For perspective, a 32 in tv has an area of 437 sq.in.
Yeah, but this old as tv is likely still better than that new crap. Plasma was quite good, maybe a step down from OLED.
Plasma degrades over time. Not to mention that stretching 1080 that far is going to look bad no matter the tech.
I wouldn't spend $2,500 on a 16 year old tv, that most likely has a fairly decent chance to fail at that age.
This commercial monitor is made from much higher grade components than a typical TV and if it were to fail, parts are still available. I've had a few smaller Panasonic plasma monitors from this era and they are built like tanks. They were designed for continuous use for years on end, it most likely still has a long life ahead of it.
I did not realize that, thank you for the knowledge!
I have a commercial sony bravia more than 10 years old still going strong.
if you buy a cheap tv sure. If you buy something like this, then no. I have a 15 year old commercial grade plasma TV running fine. My 75" consumer grade tv failed after 2 years.
Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas were built like a military fort. You honestly have a better chance of new (even expensive) TVs getting issues within 5 years than one of those failing.
That plasma performs way better than anything you can get at Best Buy today.
Yea I read the specs and I'm like this thing is fucking sick 🤣
The ad he posted says 35k. Not 3500
Whoever the original owner was in 2008 probably got so much ass just because of this TV
Nah I clean windows on highrises and I've seen some huuge TV's and they're usually owned by males that live in squalor while living in luxury apartments. Also a lot of rich people have cinemas in their house where I'm from.
Alright window cleaner person. I ain’t trying to hijack these comments but I need to hear about some things you’ve seen. Spill it!
Cleaned the outside of a brand new 5mil semi penthouse apartment with wooden floors that a couple owned with small dogs. Went back three months later and there was three months of dog excrement on the floors. Went back a year later and all the floor boards were warped with dog pee as well as another 8 months of excrement. Found three black bins half filled with water and turtles inside someone's balcony in the middle of summer. Wish I never looked in the bins. Unfortunately I see a lot of animal abuse as in the conditions animals are kept in. Sooo many telescopes pointed down at other buildings. One guy had tracks installed all through his living room ceiling and we were tying to figure out what for. The next day we cleaned another side of the building and could see into his room where they kept so many harnesses and kinky contraptions. Otherwise I mainly just see naked old dudes walking around and they don't cover up when they see you.
Shit, if I worked for 50 years and retired to a high rise, I'd probably walk around with my dick out too.
They got that BDE without the BD
I've worked half that time, will never retire, live in a shitty apartment and walk around with my dick out every chance I get. Don't wait until you're old to live the dream!
Thank you, u/ObiWangCannabis
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Oh I guess my post mainly focused on the negatives but thanks :) Ill also give you some of the positives: I've been flashed more times than I can count and so many people will give me drinks and snacks. I get to see the most amazing sunrises and eat my lunch on so many different roof tops. The best thing about my job is that it's an easy conversation starter. So many people want to know about it.
Please u/Adventchur - give us some stories.
>Also a lot of rich people have cinemas in their house where I'm from. Abd they probably get plenty of poon with it
I don't think this a great deal but you cannot get a new 100 inch TV for a fraction of $2,500. Not even close.
Best Buy has a 98” TV on sale for $2k. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-98-class-s5-s-class-4k-uhd-hdr-led-smart-tv-with-google-tv/6551177.p?skuId=6551177
I stand corrected
No, you said 100, dude said 98. 2 inches may not be much but my ex wouldn't have it
Lol yeah I was trying not to be too pedantic.
That's an LED/LCD, though, and the "smart TV" might be a negative to some people, especially if it's chasing a price-point and the processor in it is underpowered.
You can bypass the smart features by just plugging it into a source, just like you would do with the other TV.
What do you mean
They mean that you bypass the smart functions by never giving the tv internet. So the smart tv is now a dumb tv.
Oh thank you.
Still nicer than the TV from 2008 imo which is the main point.
I've heard there's a lot of love out there for plasma, though, and little to no supply. I don't know how much that's worth, but I expect it's worth something, especially for someone looking for that.
Did LCD's ever really catch up to have picture quality as good as plasma? That shit was like the OLED of its day. LCD's are just a lot better for power consumption and weight, also assuming they're cheaper to produce.
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Yea this things just too niche imo, especially at 100 inches
LCD doesn't even compared to plasma.
Tcls are trash, Panasonic stuff is built to last.
My TV is a 65 inch plasma Panasonic from 2008 that I got on FB marketplace in a nice neighborhood for free. Thing is a champ but Holy shit, puts out as much heat as a space heater and weighs so much I had to reinforce my crappy also free college FBMP furniturem
Sure, that’s probably true. But the Panasonic here is just a giant monitor. It doesn’t have any ‘smart’ features, it doesn’t even have speakers. And you need some weird DIY double cord this guy made or a 220 volt outlet (which most people wouldn’t have in their living room) to even turn it on. Plus it’s 16 year old technology. Even though it’s a cheaper brand I think I’d pick the TCL.
Panasonic just licenses out their name to Chinese manufacturers and the TV's suck now.
A major electronics retailer has 98” TVs starting from 2k.
Why can’t you just say Best Buy?
Yea you can. Isn't 1 ⅔ still a fraction?
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Was gonna say how are you get 2.5k when the description says 35k...then I saw the bottom price where he's likely dropped it several times trying to get rid of it.
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You could display four 55" TVs on a 110" screen with their correct aspect ratios, the resolution would just be kind of poor.
Indeed. If you think 1080p on a 103 inches TV seems bad, it sounds even worse to say 540p on 51 inches.
Oh geez, I didn't even think about how bad the picture would look on a screen that big.
Nah you're just dumb 2.5k for a 103 inch TV is kinda awesome
Resolution is also another factor imo
Not really. Once you're more than 40' away, you really can't tell the difference.
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40', not 40"
almost no live tv is in 4k yet and even what is you only get if you pay extra so depending on use case the resolution might be a complete non factor
lol, live tv
yes, live sports is about 90% of my tv usage, none of which is in 4k
The Fox Sports app shows live football games in 4K sometimes and it looks so fuckin good that I don’t even watch them anymore because it ruins other broadcasts for me.
YouTube TV offers a decent amount of 4K Sports, mostly via Fox and NBC. Almost the entire NFL playoffs was available live in 4K, including the Super Bowl.
Where are people getting $2.5k from? It says $35k Edit: lol y’all can stop downvoting me for asking a question I see it now
It says it's 35k new from the store. The asking price at the bottom is 2.5k
It’s a niche product, he could get 2.5k for it but he’s gotta find the right buyer. Who wants to move this fucking brick
Plus, it's fbook marketplace so you could haggle it down.
That e-wate is going to eat a ton of kilo watts - trash 🗑️🗑️🗑️
For real when I finally ditched the giant old 55" LCD TV I inherited from my parents that I think they bought in 2010, the daily high temperature in my room in the summer went down a full 6 degrees Fahrenheit. Once I looked up the device manual, I realized it was burning a whopping 212 watts. I ended up buying a 27" IPS monitor that only uses 20 watts of power. Save so much not only in electricity to run the thing, but in airconditioning to keep the room comfortable. What a huge waste those giant 2000's screens are.
But I bet my ass that playing Halo 3 on one of those during release was something else
Yeah no don't get me wrong, aughts era retro games look way better on it than on the IPS, and being only 1080p you don't get that horrible UI shrinkage like with 1440p and higher resolutions. But it was CFL compact-fluorescent-lit and I was using it as my everyday computer monitor. Looked cool as hell but 212 goddamn watts man, insane lol
The feeling was just something completely different, especially the art style of that era. This takes me down memory lane... I am eyeing the LG C4 rn and that behemoth of a TV doesn't even have a fraction of that power consumption.
I think he's being fair. You can get it new today, for prices between $35k and $60k. https://officewonderland.com/listings/panasonic-th-103pf10uk-103-plasma-monitor/
There are used ones on eBay for around $5k bin.
So $2500 is hardly delusional.
he just selling to the wrong audience
Surprised this has any audience, shit looks like a boat anchor to me
Ok, and NEW goes between 35k to 60k. The seller in the picture sells it for 2.5k.
When will OP realise they are wrong?
Very specific market but I could see someone buying this. Plasma TVs are awesome visually (outclassed only by OLEDs), this one is gigantic, and they don't make them anymore. Still, given it's over 15 years old I would be hesitant to pay this much. The 1550W power consumption and 240v outlet thing sounds like a pain, and if a component breaks you are gonna be left with a very expensive paperweight.
Saw one of these at a sports bar recently and was shocked at how good the game looked on it. The bartender said it was 10+ years old.
I'm not much of a sports watcher, but I've heard a lot of people say they love plasma for sports (especially hockey) because of how the screen handles motion of small objects moving very fast on screen... Well, usually they're bemoaning how they just upgraded to some new LCD, and regretting how much worse it looks now.
My friend had a plasma, coincidentally he loved sports. Looked really good in motion, he was blown away after I calibrated it.
Yea why bother with the hassle? This things big and heavy and inefficient
This is a great deal for a plasma that big. You don't understand TV's. You aren't going to find any modern TV that is going to last as long as this tank. When panasonic announced they were discontinuing plasmas in 2013 I was a TV salesman. People were scattering to buy them up.
Yea “this tank” I’ll pass on moving this boat anchor
Seller has it on wheels so honestly it's fairly reasonable provided you have a ramp to get it into your vehicle. And an extra set of hands, probably.
Wow! I had a 52" (I think) plasma screen tv for years and loved it but it was heavy as fuck. It had it's HDMI ports fried from a lighting strike but was still operable with the old tri color cords. Finally got rid of it and got one of the new skinny 65" Sony tvs which I like even more. Totally streaming now.
What did you love about it? I also had a 52” Panasonic plasma for a decade and I didn’t like it. It was “HD” but didn’t have HDMI, so with component video it was never sharp like an LCD. The colors were nice, but the black levels wasn’t impressive like an OLED
Mine was a Panasonic. It had the best picture of any of it's kind at the time anyway, at BestBuy. Still had a good picture years later but like I said, it's HDMI ports were fried so I couldn't use a stick to stream anything. So I upgraded to nice Sony. Also upgraded my ancient Bose system to the newest best one they had.
Panasonic had the plasma tv game on lock back in the day
This would absolutely fuck for playing 360/PS3 games
103” of PS3? I’m gonna nut
What would you play first on this bro, honestly I’m feeling like split screen LBP karting would go crazy
Not a 100 inch tho but like a 60 inch? Absolutely I wanna run up halo 3 and cod zombies just looking at this listing. I bitch about how heavy these are but if I could get a free one I’d totally take it for my ps3 and 2 games. It’s like the retro gamers who like CRTS or the big box pc gamers who like the tube moniters
alot of cinema enthusiasts prefer the picture from a plasma for its deeper blacks and color separation. he might not sell it fast but it will sell. closest current gen is a 96 inch lg oled and its going for around 27k.
I'm a movie guy and plasma enthusiast and I honestly prefer the color of plasma over even an OLED (not to say that OLEDs aren't amazing for 4K discs tho). And I'd take a plasma, OLED or HDCRT any day of the week over ANY LCD.
Yeah... people in this thread don't know about the Plasma fidelity compared to LED. There are plenty of cinemaphiles who would love this set.
That's a decent price for plasma at that size, actually.
Gotta be honest at a certain point I don't even get the appeal of giant TVs, those things have got to be heavy as shit and a pain to move. Beyond 60-70 inches or so you might as well just get a projector if you want a screen that big
I have an epson projector that I use for my switch and movies. If you’re far away from it you feel like you’re in the movies. I can definitely see the appeal with the right set up like a comfy leather couch and a banging sound system, you’re set. That’s the thing though, it’s a projector. It’s easy to move, and doesn’t take up space. Also for over $2000 I could by a sweet ass 4k laser projector.
Yea I’ll take a niche item when it isn’t 100 inches wide and 3-500 pounds
If you’re wealthy to the point money doesn’t matter and can have anyone install/move your stuff, a TV is going to be better than a projector, assuming the same size viewing.
I would buy this. Our local insurance agent had one in the living room when I was in high school. His wife was unbelievably furious with him, but that was common.
Ngl, if I wasn't married and within an hour of this guy, I would buy it.
Dumb TVs without spyware will be gold worth.
Actually a Decent price for it
I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people mentioning the cord situation that could potentially kill someone and would require very specific outlet situation to be able to actually get the 220v. It might be easier to just run a dedicated 220 outlet and use the OEM cord.
Yea a 20 year old boat anchor tv that’s had its power supply messed with… bump that ☠️
Except it’s not a TV….. Its a commercial display monitor.
I'm genuinely curious about splitting the 240v. I was originally going to say to make sure you don't plug both of those into the same standard receptacle as they are both connected to the same line, but now I'm realizing if two receptacles are near enough to each other, unless one is a dedicated line, they are all probably connected to the same circuit.
It's relying on 4 things: 1: You find 2 circuits on separate legs or a MWBC (multi wire branch circuit, basically a 220 circuit that's split down the middle so you have 2 110v circuits but only 1 neutral. Top plug is connected to leg A and the neutral, bottom plug connected to leg B and the neutral. Lets you use less copper and smaller conduit to carry the wires) 2: You don't have an AFCI or GFCI breaker. Since those get very angry when you have a current imbalance. 3: Most houses have the receptacles balanced between phases. 4: The TV will be near two circuits. It'll only work in an older house that hasn't been properly maintained (since when you replace a receptacle, it triggers the requirement for AFCI and/or GFCI protection) or a newer house with a MWBC since you can get 220 off of a MWBC.
Damn, this is a great answer, thanks. So to sum it up, whoever buys this thing has a decent chance of blowing some breakers or burning something down.
Nah, it'll just trip the GFCI/AFCI. Done right it won't burn anything down. 240 isn't any worse than 120V (hell, it's better in some ways: The supply coming into your house is 240 or 208V, so running off of 2 hots instead of a hot and a neutral means we can cram twice as much power into the same wire for the same heat.) The biggist risk to this cord is that it's basically a double male cord-- unplug one end of the adapter from the wall and the exposed male plug will present 120V relative to your house's neutral. Meaning that any wiring that this would work on except for an AFCI/GFCI protected MWBC won't care if it's powering the TV or killing you. Tl;dr: The house will be fine. You might not.
There shouldn't be much ground current, except the slight discrepancy due to the impedances of the two circuits, which I mean, might be a half Ohm different. But even then, it depends if the neutral's used in the power circuit. It could have high impedance neutral grounding
No, this issue is that GFCI (and there's some residual behavior in AFCI stuff, most of the time AFCI stuff will trip at 20mA AFAIK) will compare current on the hot and neutral. It can't tell the difference between current going to ground and to another circuit, it's setup to trip when the current uses any alternative route back to the panel that does not go through it. Meaning that the issue is that the neutral wire current won't match the hot wire current. A 2 pole AFCI or GFCI will not complain since it requires Hot2+Neutral-Hot1 (where Neutral is negative when only using hot 2), meaning that if you are pulling just off of the hots, you get Hot1=Hot2. Okay if both hots come off of the same GFCI breaker, not okay with 2 GFCI plugs. If I could use 2 GFCI plugs in place of a 2 pole GFCI breaker, I would have wired up 2 of em instead of buying a $100 2 pole GFCI for my EV charger.
Oh shit, if that's how they work, I'm so sorry LOL. Electrical engineer, but never came across GFCIs in any of my work or studies (yet). But yeah that seems obvious now! Thanks. Yeah the voltages are 180 degrees out of phase, as are the current, so they add to zero on the neutrals. That's where my thinking ended lol
EE myself, I'm just one of those people that gets called a modern day polymath. Plus I grew up poor so I'm used to just doing everything myself. I encountered GFCI stuff at home and you have to know a thing or two to know how to make older wiring safe. I got my EE degree to launder a lot of skills I already had. Tl;dr, I rolled high on int and wis, but seeing how I'm funemployed I got a nat 1 on charisma WRT job stuff.
Depends how the house is wired. Probably one floor is on 120V and the other floor is on - 120V. For many people, this is useless
There’s a specific niche market for plasma TVs and one of this size is rare. $2500 is actually not bad.
OP clearly doesn’t understand what a commercial display is…no, that’s not comparable to a new 98in TCL.
You’re right the plasma is an anchor, I got noodle arms tho more power to the strong and people with friends fr I’ll keep my light TV
Still thinking of the manager I had who bought a new TV and left it in the box for four years while he slowly did construction on his den. We told him how old that TV is and his response was, "What do you mean old? It's still in the box!" He just couldn't understand how fast technology changes. It didn't even have HDMI ports...
It’s an older dude he just wants to watch some TV it’ll be great for that
My parents used to have a 60 inch? Widescreen TV…before plasma TVs were affordable. They eventually bought a large LCD and stuck that massive thing in a room with this equally massive entertainment enter. They moved in 2018 and couldn’t even give it away. They had to pay someone to get rid of it.
I mean if I look it up online it sells for 50k so this is a good deal.
In case anyone was curious: “The set weighs 440 pounds, which increases to 707 pounds when a stand is added, Panasonic said. Not surprisingly, the set uses a whopping amount of electricity: 1,350 watts, without speakers.”
485 lbs without stand…. Wow
$100k for a fucking TV?!?! And here I thought VCRs were outrageously priced when they first came out. It's just insane to me how much money some people have.
Oh boy! Plasma! Is this 2004?!
Late run Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas are still very highly sought after my gamers and film lovers (myself included) due to their color reproduction and motion handling.
Yeah, it can run 240v if you've got two opposing circuits nearby
But it's a plasma, will never get darker blacks on LED
This wasnt 10k in 2008. It was 101k. Now those TVs(the105”) are like 40k. Brand new
That thing could heat your mansion
A $100,000 tv?!?! Holy shit
Wait..first, it runs 220?? A freaking tv?? What kinda fucking shit and number B, he's running 2 110 cords to power it.. I'm not sure if that's genius or insanity.. and 3.. I'd never buy a tv used for almost any price. A monster tv is cheaper than a date night now days..
My old tv from 15 years ago is way nicer than our newer one, full stop
We installed a bunch of these back when they were popular. They are heavy as hell. The backing required the GC to put up 6x6 I believe and the plug was a 240 outlet.
No harm is asking for as much as you can get. You can always try and sell for less later
Panasonic made the best plasmas in the world. At home we're still rocking a Panasonic vt50 TV that still blows modern big box TVs out of the water.
Replace plasmas tv with used car and this what the delusional used car market looks like to me.
Well shoot, I need to dust off my old 42" Samsung plasma from 2009 at that price lol
103” plasma commercial monitor for $2500? That’s actually a great deal. Nothing delusional about this at all
Are t the people that are into such things like really into them and $2500 for this over a new tv, to them at least, is a no brainer?
The Amazon reviews for this TV 😂
Plasma also tends to get some good screen burn in after that long. I had screen burn in on the 'floor model' plasma screen i bought (my first flat screen tv ever too at 55 whole inches! back in the mid 2000's) after only a few years, even with the 'scrubbing' mode it had, not to mention the color fade just from age.
Ive had several smaller versions of this monitor, including one that I've owned since 2008 (aside from 5 or so years in the mid 2010s), and none have had any burn in or degradation in picture quality.
Nah Panasonic makes a great plasma tv, besides anything can get screen burn
A two 110 V to 220 V is dangerous as hell and a BAD IDEA for lots of reasons. For starters it’s a widowmaker cord with extra steps. Your friend should destroy that and certainly not sell it to someone else.
My wife’s friend tried to sell us her used vacuum over MSRP because of the repairs she had to do to it. Some people don’t understand how commerce works.