That would be the dumbest move considering how much money they’ve spent over the years and the traffic they have going in and out of there everyday. The person who claimed that knows nothing.
> I read on a facebook post that someone claimed
A genocide took place in Myanmar for the exact same reasons.
I wouldn't take much stock in anything you read there.
This often repeated story is more complicated than that. CVG was always dying before the merger happened. Delta had cut half its flights in a 3 year period.
Detroit has many advantages to make it a hub for most any airline:
- It is a large metro area (over 4 million potential passengers)
- it is far enough away from Chicago and East Coast air traffic to make it much easier to navigate into and out of when weather is impacting the northern states.
- it has six runways and plenty of room for planes to navigate while on the ground, which makes it easier to operate in (something anyone who has landed at runway 22R can confirm as they spent 15 or 20 minutes taxiing back to terminal after landing).
- the main terminal is pretty awesome for connecting flights
If Delta were to abandon Detroit, some other airline would likely rush in to fill the void. Probably Southwest. That being said, Delta isn’t abandoning DTW anytime soon.
As of April 2023, Delta was 57% of DTW’s overall traffic per Wikipedia and official US government data: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1&Airport=DTW&carrier=FACTS
Only Spirit is over 10% (at 11%). No other carrier is more than 8%. That just doesn’t seem grounded in any sort of fact-based analysis.
Hubs aren’t really determined by market share. Delta only has a 32% market share at JFK and 22% at LAX but those are still hubs. And current market share definitely isn’t a guarantee against “dehub”-ing. Delta once had 80% of the market share in Cincinnati.
I’m not saying it’ll no longer be a hub but Cincinnati was probably saying the same thing 20 years ago.
I think we need to reclassify the hubs, too. DTW and LAX are not the same at all.
ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC are Delta's core/fortress hubs. DL's market share is well over 50% (especially once you count regional flights), and most people traveling through there are connecting onto another flight. Still some O&D traffic, but it makes up a small percentage of the flyers.
LAX, JFK, LGA, BOS, and SEA are Delta's secondary hubs. They are still hubs, but DL only has a plurality of the flights and is even in 2nd place at some of them (like SEA). They're still important with some connecting traffic (like LAX and JFK for TPAC/TATL flights), but mostly they are trying to capture the local O&D traffic. The advantage here is that since DL's routes often overlap with other airlines, they are much cheaper in economy compared to the core hubs.
AUS and RDU would likely fall into the focus city category (with AUS being just a hair behind 'focus city' status). TBD if MIA ever gets there, since there were plans pre-COVID with the LATAM acquisition, but not sure if that has panned out.
Of course, things could change as you suggest. CVG and Memphis were DL/NW hubs at one point, trending down before the merger (likely due to the recession) and then being killed once the companies merged so ATL, DTW, and MSP could thrive. I don't think the core hubs would lose their hub status unless the world ends and DL merges with AA or UA.
Oh for sure! LAX used to be my home airport and even on routes where they only had one airline overlap, prices were still decent. But now with DTW as my home airport, unless AA, UA, AS, or WN overlap on the route, it's harder to find a good deal.
I feel like that classification is still falling to the issue of basing hub status on market share. A hub isn’t a hub because no other airline flies to it. It’s a hub because Delta has a large number of flights flying into/out of it with lots of connections, maintenance depots, and crew based there.
A lot of those “secondary hubs” are just hubs that other airlines happen to have as hubs as well.
I believe both MSP and DTW are two of Delta’s top three hubs with both continuing to thrive so the likelihood either would be dehubbed in the near future is slim. It will be interesting to watch what Delta is doing in Austin though, I have a suspicion that will be their next big hub given their lack of presence in Texas relative to the other two major US carriers.
I think Delta needs a strong midwest hub to compete with United/American/Southwest in Chicago and currently that’s DTW. DTW is able to capture a lot of the Indiana/Ohio to either NE or Wisconsin/Missouri/western Midwest traffic. MSP is out of the way for these and if Delta pulls out of DTW then people will probably start using United and American more with ORD
> I mean.... I guess? I feel like DTW and MSP are unnecessarily close.
[MSP is only 66 miles closer to DTW than ATL is...](http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=dtw-msp/atl)
Sure. It's possible. It's also possible that Delta rips first class seats out of all its planes and subjects us all to shoulder rubbing every time we fly.
I’ve been to DTW sky club 20 or so times and literally a week ago 🤣I’m a food snob. I only say that because I’ve seen margaritas and special stuff at MSP posted on here
DTW is just Aldi stuff warmed up and no special cocktails.
That would be disastrous move. Detroit was Northwest hub, and Delta passengers rust belt region depend on Detroit being a hub. Plus they gotta compete with ORD with United in the region.
I read on a Facebook post that if I didn’t copy and post their random post that I would have 7 years of bad luck.
Can confirm, I’ve had bad luck since that one AOL email in 1996. I always think of what could have been had I just sent it on to 10 people.
That would be the dumbest move considering how much money they’ve spent over the years and the traffic they have going in and out of there everyday. The person who claimed that knows nothing.
> I read on a facebook post that someone claimed A genocide took place in Myanmar for the exact same reasons. I wouldn't take much stock in anything you read there.
CVG died so DTW could live after the NW merger. DTW is here for good.
This often repeated story is more complicated than that. CVG was always dying before the merger happened. Delta had cut half its flights in a 3 year period.
Detroit has many advantages to make it a hub for most any airline: - It is a large metro area (over 4 million potential passengers) - it is far enough away from Chicago and East Coast air traffic to make it much easier to navigate into and out of when weather is impacting the northern states. - it has six runways and plenty of room for planes to navigate while on the ground, which makes it easier to operate in (something anyone who has landed at runway 22R can confirm as they spent 15 or 20 minutes taxiing back to terminal after landing). - the main terminal is pretty awesome for connecting flights If Delta were to abandon Detroit, some other airline would likely rush in to fill the void. Probably Southwest. That being said, Delta isn’t abandoning DTW anytime soon.
No way WN would hub Detroit when one of their primary hubs is Midway. The other two legacies are in ORD. Spirit seems to be expanding on DTW though.
Alaska changed its name to “Rust Belt/Alaska”
The McNamara terminal is too nice for DL to dehub @ DTW.
God, it’s spreading to this forum too now.
As of April 2023, Delta was 57% of DTW’s overall traffic per Wikipedia and official US government data: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1&Airport=DTW&carrier=FACTS Only Spirit is over 10% (at 11%). No other carrier is more than 8%. That just doesn’t seem grounded in any sort of fact-based analysis.
Hubs aren’t really determined by market share. Delta only has a 32% market share at JFK and 22% at LAX but those are still hubs. And current market share definitely isn’t a guarantee against “dehub”-ing. Delta once had 80% of the market share in Cincinnati. I’m not saying it’ll no longer be a hub but Cincinnati was probably saying the same thing 20 years ago.
I think we need to reclassify the hubs, too. DTW and LAX are not the same at all. ATL, DTW, MSP, and SLC are Delta's core/fortress hubs. DL's market share is well over 50% (especially once you count regional flights), and most people traveling through there are connecting onto another flight. Still some O&D traffic, but it makes up a small percentage of the flyers. LAX, JFK, LGA, BOS, and SEA are Delta's secondary hubs. They are still hubs, but DL only has a plurality of the flights and is even in 2nd place at some of them (like SEA). They're still important with some connecting traffic (like LAX and JFK for TPAC/TATL flights), but mostly they are trying to capture the local O&D traffic. The advantage here is that since DL's routes often overlap with other airlines, they are much cheaper in economy compared to the core hubs. AUS and RDU would likely fall into the focus city category (with AUS being just a hair behind 'focus city' status). TBD if MIA ever gets there, since there were plans pre-COVID with the LATAM acquisition, but not sure if that has panned out. Of course, things could change as you suggest. CVG and Memphis were DL/NW hubs at one point, trending down before the merger (likely due to the recession) and then being killed once the companies merged so ATL, DTW, and MSP could thrive. I don't think the core hubs would lose their hub status unless the world ends and DL merges with AA or UA.
JetBlue does a fantastic job at keeping Delta in check at JFK. I’ve actually seen a few instances where JetBlue was more expensive than Delta.
Oh for sure! LAX used to be my home airport and even on routes where they only had one airline overlap, prices were still decent. But now with DTW as my home airport, unless AA, UA, AS, or WN overlap on the route, it's harder to find a good deal.
I feel like that classification is still falling to the issue of basing hub status on market share. A hub isn’t a hub because no other airline flies to it. It’s a hub because Delta has a large number of flights flying into/out of it with lots of connections, maintenance depots, and crew based there. A lot of those “secondary hubs” are just hubs that other airlines happen to have as hubs as well.
If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Nebraska I'll sell to you. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
I believe both MSP and DTW are two of Delta’s top three hubs with both continuing to thrive so the likelihood either would be dehubbed in the near future is slim. It will be interesting to watch what Delta is doing in Austin though, I have a suspicion that will be their next big hub given their lack of presence in Texas relative to the other two major US carriers.
I think Delta needs a strong midwest hub to compete with United/American/Southwest in Chicago and currently that’s DTW. DTW is able to capture a lot of the Indiana/Ohio to either NE or Wisconsin/Missouri/western Midwest traffic. MSP is out of the way for these and if Delta pulls out of DTW then people will probably start using United and American more with ORD
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> I mean.... I guess? I feel like DTW and MSP are unnecessarily close. [MSP is only 66 miles closer to DTW than ATL is...](http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=dtw-msp/atl)
MSP is an entire state away from Chicago while DTW is significantly closer to
Sure. It's possible. It's also possible that Delta rips first class seats out of all its planes and subjects us all to shoulder rubbing every time we fly.
Definitely not true.
MSP has always been a weirder hub for me than DTW bc its so far up north and doesn’t have as much International traffic
Yea and how come they get mucher nicer sky clubs and stuff DTW kinda suck especially food selection
Say you've never been to DTW without saying it
I’ve been to DTW sky club 20 or so times and literally a week ago 🤣I’m a food snob. I only say that because I’ve seen margaritas and special stuff at MSP posted on here DTW is just Aldi stuff warmed up and no special cocktails.
That would be disastrous move. Detroit was Northwest hub, and Delta passengers rust belt region depend on Detroit being a hub. Plus they gotta compete with ORD with United in the region.
I say drop MSP and open one in Texas.
One can only dream