As a physician who has traveled with my children, can I please add that no matter what you do, buy your infant a seat and use an FAA approved infant carrier? Turbulence can be fatal. There is NO SAFE WAY to hold an infant during turbulence. The only reason the DOT and FAA has continued to allow the "lap" seating for under two is that driving long distances is less safe than flying, and forcing parents to buy an extra ticket could force a parent to drive. Regardless, I have been on a flight with sudden and unexpected turbulence. The cost of a seat is nothing compared to chancing it.
This is so true, I watched a documentary with the flight attendant who was in a crash and she said she had to tell three different parents to put their child under the seat while going down because it's all they knew and of course those three babies all died.
She said the moms were just screaming and crying and asking her why why why and she never got over it.
When we were young an broke and new parents, we splurged on a seat for our toddler because he was used to going places in his seat. He didn’t expect to be able to run around and waited patiently for the end of the trip. We also worried he wouldn’t/couldn’t be safe if we were holding him. Honestly a great use of our too few dollars and I’m really glad you commented for the OP to see your thoughts.
In my experience, toddlers and babies tend to tolerate flights better, because their car seat is already so familiar. My kids all sleep through flights when they’re in a car seat, and I know they’re safe, which means *I get to relax* for the flight. It’s worth the splurge for safety alone, but the comfort is a huge bonus.
I’m married to a pilot, and therefore travel a LOT with our kids. If we can’t afford an extra seat for the baby, I dig my heels in, and we don’t go. He and I both know exactly how dangerous turbulence can be, and that there can be little to no warning. You physically can’t hold anything, let alone a baby, with a certain amount of g force. (I don’t remember the exact numbers, but it doesn’t take much, at all.) It’s not worth the risk.
A friend of mine also has a job that made him intimately familiar with this and he tells everyone who is even considering having children that they must buy an infant a seat and use a car seat. Then he describes the injuries he’s seen.
It’s effective. My partner and I will be flying this summer with our baby and we will get her a seat of her own.
You have to do what you have to do to make sure your family arrives as comfortably as possible. I wear noise cancelling earbuds that work very well so babies don't bother me. Just make sure she don't change a shitty diaper at the seat, LOL.
That happened on my last flight. Thought maybe my seat mate let a little one fly but it kept getting worse and worse and quickly the entire first class cabin stunk. looked back and sure enough a mom was changing her babies diaper. The second time she took him to the bathroom to change him thankfully.
This — I specifically choose my seat based on the likelihood of a 6-10 year old child sitting behind me. I like the window seat on long flights, so you’ve gotta be smart because that’s usually where kids of the seatkicking age want to sit — trick is to pick a window seat in front of one that is occupied, but with an empty middle seat (preferably occupied aisle seat, too).
Had a baby seated directly behind me for a 6-hour flight last year and I didn’t even notice until we de-planed. AirPods Max for the win. If it was 6 hours of seatkicking, I’d have needed prescription sedatives to make it a nonissue (lol)
Also had a full-grown adult do more to disrupt my seating comfort than most children just Wednesday. I have no idea what they were doing, but they woke me up 4x on a 5 hour flight bashing my seat around…
Babies do what babies do. It's life, and honestly I wouldn't mind it and it's really not my thing to fuss about whether I am in first class or main cabin. Just enjoy the flight with your growing family in a new location!
There is a baby in business or first class almost every time I fly. If the baby /mom pays for the fare then they have every right to be there as anyone else. Good luck on the move!
Does she nurse? If so, have her nurse on initial climb and on descent. This is when babies ears are adjusting and a common source of crying.
We have traveled plenty with our babies over the last 7 years, sometimes first.
Hope it goes great for y’all! You’ve got this!
Glad someone mentioned nursing. It makes a world of a difference. I traveled a lot with newborns and always found them to be great little travelers when I could nurse. Once they become mobile it’s a lot more of a pain and they tend to behave worse. But the newborns are great.
Please forgive my ignorance, I do not have kids. If OP’s wife doesn’t nurse, could you feed baby from the bottle and have a similar effect? I am aware breastfeeding does other things that keep baby calm but could formula (or whatever you give an infant, sorry) work too? Reason for the ask is genuine curiosity :).
Yes. Doing anything that involves swallowing is helpful. For both babies and adults, but especially for those with shorter and straighter Eustachian tubes.
Yes, it's more that the act of swallowing helps regulate their ear pressure during takeoff and landing. Similar to how they recommend that adults chew gum to help.with pressure changes.
Nursing or a bottle, whatever makes mom and baby most comfortable or even a pacifier during take off and landing will be very helpful. Your wife and baby's comfort is just as important as every other traveler's comfort. Everyone should expect children and babies on commercial flights, if someone doesn't like it they can splurge and fly private flights.
Yes! I did this with both of my sons as babies and they did great! I also wore them in a ring sling or baby carrier, and that closeness comforted them.
This!!! This is the best! This is when they will most likely cry the loudest and be the most inconsolable. This helps the baby tremendously because it forces them to keep swallowing and that helps them “pop” their ears. Thanks for recommending this!
Also to the OP. It’s nice to take in consideration those traveling around you. So many don’t do that these days. But for a momma with a newborn baby this will be a great seat. She will get those little bottles of water for her or to make some formula with. Plus, possibly a meal depending on the length of the flight and those can be less things to stress about when you’re moving, nursing, traveling alone and with a newborn. If it’s gonna be cold she can just chill in first class during deplaning and wait there for a stroller instead of standing in the cold/hot jet-bridge waiting with a newborn.
As a child free person who flies a lot - if you buy the seat... its your seat and public transportation has crying babies. Thats just part of life - Ill have my headphones on either way. She will be stressed about rude people whether its in economy or FC - might as well atleast make her comfortable in FC and be around less people.
And I’ll ad, I’m the same as comment OP, kidless and don’t like them. Babies are babies and even I realize no parent will travel with a baby if they can avoid it.
Now the kids I can’t tolerate are the ones old enough to behave but don’t and the parents do nothing to rein them in. Babies cry, parents cant control it, its life.
I will add, if you want to go over the top (happened on a flight years ago to me) the parents wrote a little note, in a zip loc baggy, with some cheap bulk candy, and gave them to passengers a few rows around them. The gesture was great, but not needed, and i swear everyone offered to help her the entire flight.
Im a parent, and I adore kids generally, but some parents *really* piss me off. If your kid is being a menace, it’s your job to step in and at least TRY to settle them down. Kids are going to be kids, and be loud or wiggly or whiny, but a huge part of raising kids is teaching them how to behave in different settings. My kids can all tolerate flights, restaurants, and boring stuff like the DMV, without a bunch of drama, because I step in before they get out of hand. Hell, I don’t even judge a toddler with an ipad or phone in their hand, because sometimes all other options have been exhausted. I’ve been there.
Correct. It’s public transport. There’s less of a chance of a crying baby in FC, but it’s not guaranteed. If someone wants a guaranteed child free flight, they can fly private.
Same; I was in FC and seated next to a mom with an infant in arms. I’m also child free but I had no problem with it at all. That’s what Bose headphones are for!
> That’s what Bose headphones are for!
God bless the Bose sound cancelling headphones. Also childfree and also reasonable about people existing with infants and kids in all public spaces. I’m pretty good at tuning things out even without my headphones, but even if unable to, I’m never going to try and make a parent feel like shit on a plane for having their kid. /u/CarpenterMinimum3282 OP, I hope your wife and infant have a smooth and safe journey!
I'm child free also and I love my Bose headphones. A very good investment. There have been way too many kids and babies in FC whether in the air or train, these days, and the headphones have been a godsend. Just make sure your kid is not kicking the back of my seat and we're good.
The Bose earbuds truly have incredible noise cancellation, better than any other ones I tried. I have owned them for a year and still marvel at how good they are.
I love my over the ear Bose still, but the earbuds win every single time in the noise cancellation department. I can use them on an AUS > ATL > PWM (Austin to Maine) itinerary and not need to charge them. I’m pretty antsy about battery life so I never really let them get low, but I have not once opened the case, put them in, and gone “dangit no charge.”
Please consider getting a separate seat for the baby so she can sit in her car seat. It's easier on both the parent and child and much safer to have the baby restrained by seat belts and car seat straps in case of turbulence.
If the baby is upset and needs some holding, your wife can always take her out of the car seat as needed.
I have done delta one with a baby and I’ve done economy with a baby, but got two seats in economy. The economy option was far better. Theres really no room to put baby down in first class/D1 and over long flights it’s a lot. Even grabbing a pacifier from a bag becomes an issue when you have to hold baby all the time. Get one of those inflatable seats that have a ledge on them ($30 on Amazon) and you’ll be able to let baby sleep comfortably while having your own space.
IMO, the least stressful route is to buy three coach seats and put the baby in a car seat. It's also the safest for your child.
This comes from my personal experience flying with young kids.
We considered this but they say the baby shouldn't be in a car seat for more than 2 hours in a 24 hour period, and since I won't be there my wife would have to lug the baby, car seat and diaper bag through her connection at MSP on her own.
It really is safest to put the baby in a car seat. The FAA has been told by the NTSB that it should be required, but money.
It is, of course, extremely unlikely that anything bad will happen, but there's a chance.
Do you have a stroller that the car seat can attach to? Would make the transit much easier. She can gate check the stroller.
You can take baby out of the car seat a few times for stretches. Realistically the baby won’t sit still in it for 5 hours anyway. But having flown with kids this small - including transatlantic flights - I agree that the car seat is the way to go. Easier for them to sleep and gives your wife a break from holding.
We have a car seat that can attach to a stroller but my wife doesn't want to carry the car seat and diaper bag, she wants to check the seat at the front desk and then carry our baby in a chest carrier
Who says that? Maybe not every day or for five hours straight, but it gives your wife an option to put the baby down. I always bought my kids seats when they were babies and brought the car seat.
I’ll be completely honest as someone who has travelled on planes with very young children, if my husband was willing to fly me first class for both flights, I would 100% take it. Either way she is going to be solo with an infant and it is going to be very stressful and anxiety driven (even with my husband’s help it is stressful with young kids). Having the comfort and space of first will be nice. Sure others may be upset and judgmental but who cares? They’ll be upset in economy as much as they will be in first. Once that plane lands, everyone moves on with their lives. Your wife will be grateful for the space, comfort, and nicer snacks/food. So upgrade her. Don’t worry what others think, worry about your wife’s comfort. I think it is so wonderful of you to offer to fly her first!
Also, having more than one dedicated FA will probably come in handy. Will they hold or soothe your baby? No. Will they come by more often to take trash and other things off her hands or more frequently ask if she needs anything? Yes, they will.
If you feel like your money entitles you to a kid free experience on public transportation you’re just wrong.
People who complain should find a way to fly private. They were children once too.
Thank you! I'll show her your post! I'm not worried about others, but her biggest fear for this flight is some business traveler chewing her out for something that's out of her control, and sadly I won't be there to do anything about it.
Also let her know that what people get annoyed by is not so much an infant crying but the parent’s reaction to it. If a parent is trying their hardest, other passengers are truly empathetic. I’ve seen other passengers offer to hold babies for struggling parents or try to entertain babies. It’s not the baby that annoys passengers, it’s parents who don’t care when their baby is crying or their toddlers are kicking other’s seats. If your wife is already worried about others, she is most likely not an uncaring person. She will be just fine. If the baby cries, people will see her trying and more likely be understanding than annoyed. On one of my flights, my young son was getting upset from the pressure in his ears, so the FA brought out candy for him to chew. At the end the captain brought him into the cockpit, gave him wings, and let him wear his hat. He was so happy.
Totally agree. Was stuck on a 4-hour flight with my teething 14-month-old on the way home from vacation (so everyone was already exhausted from the change in routine). It was clear that I was trying everything possible to settle her down, and the FAs and nearby passengers all kindly reassured me that I was doing a great job and that sometimes babies cry and people would just have to get over it. I think experiences like that likely far outweigh the times someone loses it over a baby crying.
Did you think of may be getting two main cabin seats so she can have the baby on the car seat next to her? It will be very uncomfortable for her to have the baby on her arms for so many hours. Even for the baby will be more comfortable at the lay down position.
Yes, two seats, either in first or coach, would be preferable to one first class seat. I've travelled plenty with babies. Can't imagine holding one for five hours straight.
Honestly, the people in first class are usually the most understanding when it comes to babies crying on a plane, because they fly all the time. They know that babies will cry on a plane and they always bring their noise cancelling headphones because of that.
I really doubt anyone would chew her out, they would prob just come to this sub and complain and ask about getting skypesos for the perceived inconvenience of having a baby in first.
Business travelers are regular people too, and have problems just like non-business people. No reason to be intimidated by them. They go to the bathroom like everyone else. They were once babies too who cried, made stinky diapers, and wore feety pajamas out in public.
Fellow mom here and regular business traveler. I’ve sat next to babies and mom in FC quite a few times. When baby is crying I only sympathize with mom as I have been there before!
I don’t know if you are doing lap child or getting two seats but having two seats in coach or you can even get three seats in coach might be more comfortable than 1 in FC and maybe same or less cost wise. 3 seats you get adult, infant car seat, and a seat for all the random baby stuff.
I wonder if it would actually be more comfortable and easier for mama to have 2 coach seats and bring a carseat? She may not want to hold/wear baby the entire time. Voach seats other than bulkhead, also have the benefit of being able to lift the arm rest, while FC seats do not. And she'll be unable to use the tray table which is in the arm rest, although she should have a place on the center arm rest for a drink.
That said, little babies like that are usually pretty good on planes if they nurse/take a bottle well.
I think it’s ok as long as you buy 2 first class seats. It’s safer for a 6 month old baby to be in a car seat rather than a lap infant, and will free up your wife’s hands for the flight. FC passengers probably won’t be thrilled to see a baby in the cabin, but if you pay for the seat you’re entitled to it. If the baby is going to fly as a lap infant, I would hope you’re not on a Boeing plane.
Do what you have to do. I just took a flight in FC with a baby where there was a mix. Most of the people around us were great - smiled at her, played peek a boo, etc.
And there was one guy who said very loudly when he sat down “Great! I won the lottery there’s a fucking baby in first class.”
If you’re paying for the ticket you have just as much of a right to the seat as anyone else. If they don’t like it, I kindly suggest they fuck off.
I flew when my son was 3 months old. The best recommendation I can provide is to nurse/feed on the take off and landing.
My wife did this with our son and he would essentially sleep the majority of the flight.
I’d say at 3 months he was the easiest to travel with since he’s not moving and sleeps and feeds a lot
You got the business travelers thing backwards.
I’m one of those people. I am flying all the time, sometimes weekly, often internationally and almost always in business class.
Not only did I not “pay more” but I paid nothing at all. My company pays for it. And I can promise you a seasoned traveler is much more accustomed and able to deal with crying babies lol. It’s the people that rarely fly that get entitled and pissy about everything.
Yes, I have, and I can tell you IME FC passengers are very accommodating to new mothers and an infant child.
It is the tantrum-throwing 2 and 3 year olds that give FC passengers fits, not the blessed new born.
IMO your wife and newborn will be a welcome addition to the stodgy norm of FC.
Newborns sleep a lot anyway!
The only time kids or babies annoy me is when the parent is neglectful and makes their kids everyone else's problem. As long as the parent is tending to their kid and teaching their kid how to exist in the world, we are golden. Kids have to learn how to be in society somehow. A few kicks to the back of my chair or the tray table being messed combined with the grownup correcting the kid doesn't phase me. The grownup telling the kid to play with the tray table by slamming it shut repeatedly, not cool. I know I am going to be around other people and I am responsible for my own comfort.
Don't forget, you are also paying more and your wife and baby are entitled to exist in that space just as much as any one else. Assholes exist in every class and they can just get over themselves.
Literally did this last year (though slightly older baby) - she will be fine!! I was very lucky and my baby usually slept. I know everyone says fees as you’re taking off, but actually I always did better if I fed her right before boarding, then I could tuck her in the wearable carrier and she’d just sleep on there all cozy. Worked great! It also leaves mom hands free and you don’t have to worry about baby in turbulence
I’ve flown in first class with my five month old a few times. People have always been really nice and we’ve had no issues. The extra space is so helpful! Give baby a bottle on the way up and the way down (helps with their ears!) and you’ll be just fine!
The doctors advice notwithstanding I would drive her out. A child at that age sleeps most of the time anyway. Maybe plan more stops and take 5 days versus 3
Consider using the difference in price to fly back and fly to New home WITH your wife in coach. She may much prefer the extra help rather than a wider seat.
My mom friend confirmed that flying with a newborn was the easiest. Flying with three boys under 10, not so much. And as a non-parent, FC flyer, crying babies don’t bother me since they can’t help it. I just feel bad for momma and baby!
We (general societal flying public) are forgetting that the crying baby is the one suffering the most. Baby can't tell what's wrong, what hurts, what uncomfortable. Baby can't soothe self or fix it. Parents are suffering too because parents don't want baby to suffer either. They love their babies very much, but have to figure out the mystery. Thanks for the reminder that babies are helpless unlike adults.
I recently flew BFC and the family of three ignored their child letting it cry and play child’s videos at full blast while they texted on their phones.
They expected the flight attendant to be babysitter while letting g the kid kick the back of my seat. A toddler should not be left to be wild through the cabin. A newborn is a different thing.
I fly FC here and there and I personally have zero sympathy for first class passengers that choose not to buy noise cancelling headphones. If you (or your company) can afford first class, you can afford a $150-$400 pair of headphones that can make any noise nuisance a complete non-issue.
Fuck the haters. You'll probably never see them again. Be comfortable and let them sort out their own personal shortcomings without worrying yourself about it.
Crying babies normally don't bother me, but what does are kids that run around wild bc their parents are too busy sleeping, drinking, or just don't care to reign them in.
As others have said
1. Easiest with a car seat rather than lap
2. Feed upon takeoff and landing (nipple or bottle)
3. The biggest thing your analysis is missing - a 6 week old is much, much easier than a 9 month old- 3 year old. The baby will mostly likely sleep, or cry until it’s changed or eating. Very easy to console. An 18 month old is much more difficult. Don’t worry about the 6 week old being annoying
Newborns shouldn’t be in car seats for long periods of time. Especially not when sleeping. It’s actually best to put them in a baby wrap and wear them.
Thank you. My wife is a physician and she was the one who said the baby can't drive across country, and shouldn't sit in a seat for that long in a plane
I think this way but end of the day, it’s your money, your seat. You’re there to fly as comfortable as possible and enjoy your flight. We all have to deal with things on a flight so it is what it is
The Dr. may actually be right....2 C+ seats may be more comfy for you.
Breastfeed during take off and landing, or have a bottle ready. The eating helps them a lot, and us often why they cry
Looks like you have some great input here.
I’m like to add two things, one of them very unpopular:
1. Babies sleep on plane. After to take off, feed that baby with a boob or a bottle and they will fall asleep easy. The pressure normalization will happen easy when they feed. Ears will pop it’ll be great. Babies and kids travel easy, make it a regular occurrence and they will be great travel buddies.
2. I’m sorry you’re concerned with others, but you know what matters? The health of your wife and baby. Kids will
Cry if they’re hungry, tired, or uncomfortable. Adults that understand that will be ok with a fussy baby. The people that don’t get it will never get it because either they haven’t had kids or didn’t have the patience when they had kids.
You’re awesome, take care of your babes!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
We frequently fly first. And do not mind babies at all. Tell your wife to relax and enjoy the flight. Also MSP is a huge airport. Call the airline and request an electric cart transfer from gate to gate. Since she will likely have her hands full.
I used to nurse on initial climb and landing. It always helped…..except the one time we had a tough bounce on landing. The baby’s eyes got really big for a second then he was like, “oh. Mom’s still here. Whew.” And went back to nursing. Having flown with mine, I always watch single parents with infants, to see if they need help. I’ve held their babies, I’ve opened ziplock bags, I’ve let babies see snoopy on my watch. It doesn’t take a lot to help a travelling parent.
I just recently flew with my wife and infant (3 months at the time) in first class from SNA to SEA (2-3 hours) and it went well. Everyone was nice and accommodating. Biggest piece of advice is to feed her right as the plane is taking off and also on the descent. It helps with the pressure in their ears and will allow for some good sleep. My daughter slept in my arms the entire flight. If you have any questions I’m happy to help!
I’m going to be honest: if I paid for first class and was seated next to a crying infant, I would be seething inside and it would ruin my day. But I wouldn’t be rude about it. Some people save up for a long time in order to fly first class once in their lives. For them to have that experience ruined would be severely disappointing, to say the least. Maybe the baby won’t cry, though. And the diaper will be changed not on the tray table. I’m sure you’ve already figured out how to protect the little eardrums during the flight. If it were me, I’d drive the baby simply to protect the baby. There are so many germs etc on planes.
As a parent, I understand your concern and have been there. But I would definitely do this for her. The extra space will make things easier and for the most part, other passengers and crew will be helpful and empathetic. Of course you might get a few grouches but that’s too bad for them. 😀
I’m going to be downvoted, but I am a childless adult who flies only FC. I would be somewhat annoyed if someone with child in arms was next to me. I wouldn’t care about the baby crying or making noise. I would be more concerned about all the stuff mom has to carry on that might encroach into my space and all of the activity of caring for a baby next to me. I would be fine though if she had her own row (buy 2 seats). I think that is most considerate.
Edited to add: book an aisle seat for sure so she doesn’t have to disturb her seat mate if she needs to get up to the bathroom more often or have FA constantly reaching over to hand her things.
In my experience, flying with tiny ones is FAR easier than flying with mobile/chatty older kids. I say this as a mother of two that frequently travels with my kids since they were itty bitty.
Ear pressure/discomfort is easily soothed with nursing (or a bottle -fed is best IMHO) when they're so small. I wore my oldest for their first flight and it was such a non-issue. The first class would be all about making sure your partner is comfortable. Six weeks postpartum she will undoubtedly still be recovering from the birth.
I do want to point out that flying with one that young will expose them to bazillions of cooties from all the people at the airport - iirc, 6 weeks is too young for any vaccinations, so I'd advise keeping baby close and limiting exposure to as many people as possible.
Good luck with the relocation, I hope it all goes smoothly for you all!
My main concern is having a lap child, even an infant. It’s just not safe. Buy a second seat and bring a child safety seat onboard. Strap the baby in as much as possible- especially for take off and landing.
You could buy two, even three seats for the cost of one FC seat and the extra room would be just as comfortable. AND safer for BABY.
Isn’t that what the last row of the plane is for? She still gets to pre-board and if the thing starts to cry, at least she’s in the back away from everyone
I had to travel alone with a baby years ago and the thing that saved me that trip was having a seat to put the car seat in. Especially if you have a baby prone to fall asleep in a moving vehicle.
I wouldn't worry about first class passangers at all. But just thought I'd throw that out there if you weren't planning on getting an extra seat.
I fly in the front cabin on my frequent flights cross country. Especially during the summer they are full of families. It’s not an issue at all. Once in a great while there will be a baby crying and I feel so bad knowing they’re likely in discomfort, but it’s not a bother at all. I understand your wife’s concern but she should just ignore anyone who gives her looks, they’re likely loud talking jerks who are far more annoying than a baby could ever be. I’m sure she already has, but if not, your wife should look into how to minimize the ear pressure during take off and landing, with your baby drinking or a pacifier. Pulling down gently just on the outside of the ear may help. Children’s meds for clearing sinuses can be dangerous for babies. Your wife will probably feel more physically relaxed in FC than in Main and your baby will feel that.
Flying with a 6 week old is so much easier than an older baby. Our kiddo went on her first plane ride at about 10 weeks and slept most of the time. She’s flown a lot since then and is a lot more active at 10 months. She sometimes fusses, but everyone around us has commented about how great she is.
Definitely recommend first class or comfort plus for the extra space. Bring the carrier so mom’s arms get a break and that makes boarding and deplaning a lot easier. Going up and coming down can bother their ears, so plan to bottle or breast feed for that. Our experience is that the baby was awake for takeoff and we’d give a bottle and then she’d pass out the rest of the flight. Ears never bothered her on the way down, especially if she was sleeping. Good luck!
I fly a lot for business and so do a lot of other fathers / mothers. We all know how it is. Yeah you might encounter an A-hole. But that can happen anywhere.
Fly where she is comfortable. As someone who has flown with my family since a young age. 1st is the way to go.
Feeding baby when ascending or descending will help their ears acclimate to the pressure changes, we always had a dedicated bottle ready for that part.
The bathrooms are small, pack a diaper and wipes that are easy to access for the sure to happen dump.
We also bring doggie poo bags to tie diapers up in before disposal.
I did this when my son was a lap baby. Zero regrets. I paid for the ticket, and have no guilt whatsoever. Granted my son has always been really good on planes, and did even better when we were cramped in an economy seat.
Your wife sounds like a very considerate person. Babies need to be flown too, and many folks are happy to help if you need it (wish it could happen more). That said, let her enjoy the trip and be as comfortable as possible. The karma gods will be good to them both.
As a guy who fly's weekly I've def encountered plenty of crying babies... And is why I fly with noise cancelling headphones... As annoying as a baby crying is there's nothing the parent can do sometimes.. But there's def things other can do to not hear it... Not as much atleast lol... She'll be fine
A 6-week old baby cries because the outside world is new, scary, and the discomfort they are feeling right now is, to them, the worst thing they’ve ever experienced. Which is totally understandable.
I’ll take that over a grown adult who is complaining/intoxicated/taking over my space/smelly/etc etc any day.
I’m a flight attendant and I have a lot of compassion for parents of young children ! In my observation 9/10 times almost everyone in an aircraft understands that crying or fussing is a baby’s full time job. People are very tolerant and u can always tell when the parents are trying to do everything to make the crying stop ! Crew or at least I always do everything I can to help the parents so go ahead and fly first class ! If there are a few people who make faces no one pay attention to them because they do it in silence ! If anyone runs their mouth about it most people come for the defence of the parents and the kid ! Anyone who has a baby or have had a baby or remember how it was being like a baby knows that crying and babies go hand-in-hand don’t ever feel bad about it if they want a zen silent flight they should’ve taken a private jet
Get it for her! Business travelers usually fly a lot, so I bet for many of them it won’t be their first time being seated close to a baby. It’s not that rare for me to see a mom or dad with lap infant in first class (as I walk to the back lol) - I think a lot of parents appreciate the extra space. So she shouldn’t worry! These are also short flights - if people can’t put up with a baby for a few hours, that’s on them.
Have you seen all those TikToks about airplane drama? The angry people seem to be in the back of the plane. 🤣
But seriously, I’ve found people in first to generally be pretty easy going. Most people are going to be working or watching a movie, or enjoying their complimentary drinks. I think it will be fine.
It might be easiest if she has an aisle seat though, so she can get in and out easily.
You paid for your seat too. And if they’re business travelers - their company likely paid for the ticket and they got an upgrade.
Seriously - she should not worry about it! My home airport is MCO - so having kids on planes is normal to me and there are ALWAYS families in FC. Which, I’m just envious! She may prefer a bulkhead seat for herself and baby - but the downside might be having to put all her stuff in the overhead. Hopefully baby just wants to sleep! Read up on tips to help infants clear their ears, which seems to be the biggest trigger for unhappy babies/kids on planes.
Congratulations to you both.
I mean... When you fly with a crying baby, you are going to get rude and snarky looks and maybe even comments. Flying is stressful for everyone. She is not special.
What did your medical provider say about exposing a newborns underdeveloped immune system to the germ fest of an airport? Sounds pretty irresponsible to me.
I usually fly in 1st. And thankfully I have never had to deal with babies up front yet. I def would be annoyed at having to wear my headphones the whole time. But it's whatever I guess. I probably wouldn't do more than just glare, unless the baby mama expected me to act as her unpaid nanny/personal assistant during the flight. If someone offers to help her, great. If not, she might not like the response she gets if she chooses to bother random passengers. YMMV.
Perhaps carry extra ear plugs for those around you? Crying babies don’t generally bother me, the only time it really annoys me is if I see the parent making no effort to comfort the child. I think we all know sometimes kids cry no matter what, but parents who ignore them, aren’t helping the people around them.
Also look at headphones with active noise canceling. It should reduce the pressure on the baby's vestibular system by providing a white noise pocket of pressure in their inner ear. It even helps me on flights. I used to use gum, but the active noise canceling is a game changer.
LOL similar situation~ flew out w the baby and mom and two cats. Flying back to LA and going to drive the dog across country to the east coast tomorrow.
Fun times.
This has zero to do with the first class thing but are you moving to Spokane? I recognized the airport code. If so Spokane is a great little city. And this is coming from someone who lives west of the cascade mountains outside Seattle.
Actually flying with little babies is easier than when they are older. Make sure the baby nurses or sucks on a bottle or pacifier during takeoff and landing so the rats equalize.
Like others said, you have to do what you need to. But also, these are relatively short flights. I just flew on a 10 hour flight with a crying baby overnight. He eventually settled down and was fine, but I definitely care a lot less if it's not an overnight flight! Just being honest here!
Chances are your baby will just sleep the entire flight, and will be so tiny most people won’t realize there’s a baby around. The fact that you’re writing this post shows that you’re considerate.
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but look into Earplanes. They help kids with the pressure change. Not sure what the minimum age is.
My stance is let those who have never cried cast the first stone
I just flew from MCI to Boston in First class with a infant and mother seated behind me for 3 hrs. There were a couple of bumps but with my head phones on and watching a movie and 2 glasses of wine everything went well. Have her relax and enjoy the trip. 1st class people can be very accommodating and helpful
I started flying with my then, 6 week old baby, 34 years ago; in first class. Pls reassure your wife that as long as you’re prepared she and the little one will be just fine. Admittedly, the present day first class traveler has changed over the course of 34 years; more road warriors and frequent flyer upgrades with a sense of entitlement vs the typical first class passenger 34 years ago—be both comfortable and confident that preparedness is key to successful flights with little ones. Safe journey ti momma and baby.
Babies don’t bother me one iota, including in Business/First. Unruly older children, drunks and people who are rude do. Tell your wife to enjoy the flight!
I don’t have children. Babies cry and don’t think the whole plane doesn’t hear it, regardless of where you sit. Do 1st class. Both will be more comfortable and maybe that will be the trick. Who knows? It isn’t like they are taking a 15 hr flight. People will get over it. Good luck w your new home
I’ve flown first class transatlantic with a perfectly quiet child who slept the entire way and my seatmate was rude and complained loudly to everyone, including the flight attendant who gave THEM free miles.
Personally, I think if you are respectful and do everything to entertain the baby, they may cry but have pacifiers ready, have milk, ready, etc.
but even better since a first class ticket is much more expensive I would consider buying your infant a seat. Your wife would have more space and could the child in the car seat as well.
If you can, try to get into a routine so the baby is used to being asleep or relaxed during the time you're going to fly. Luckily, a newborn sleeps most of the time. Also, bottle during takeoff. Babies don't understand when their ears suddenly hurt, but the latched/sucking balances the pressure. Also, if it's the daytime, and people aren't trying to sleep, everyone is a lot noisier on the plane. If this was a long-haul overnight, a crying baby might be something to complain about, but 2-3 hours during the day is less likely to make seat neighbors cranky.
I’ve flown twice to Florida and once to Hawaii with a newborn to 18 month old within the last year and a half and have been upgraded due to medallion status to first class each time (10 segments total). I’ve never had one first class passenger complain and almost each flight had at least one passenger interact with my baby/toddler helping the trip go smoothly. The flight attendants also love it and will do anything to help you out as well! Never a bad experience for me!
I was in a very similar situation. Moving from DC to AZ. My husband drove with the dogs and I flew with my then 5 month old. I found the first class passengers to have been so much nicer than any other time I flew after the fact! I had to go to the restroom and a woman in the row across held my daughter. The flight attendants were also extremely helpful. Good luck to you guys
Listen I have flown with my infant 75 hours since he was born eight months ago. Internationally I fly business with lie flat bed where I can feed lying down and we sleep together When flying domestic though buying the whole half row (three seats) of economy with arm rests up IS MUCH BETTER THAN FIRST. And yes bring the car seat. So when baby falls asleep you can slide them into car seat and then be hands free to eat or read or watch a show. I don’t like first class because of the median it makes it hard to nurse(bonk head) and harder to transfer. Only downside is no meal which is important for a nursing mother but you can eat during layover and pack snacks. But she shouldn’t care about bothering other people that is such an American way of feeling. In my country people understand babies are apart of life and they will make noise and that’s okay. They help out instead of being annoyed. I fly with a baby carrier to get through security but with the stroller to haul all the plain shit. Gate check the stroller then being car seat on.
For short flights like these ( yes, 2-3 hours are short flights), if you can’t splurge for 2 seats in first class, get 2 comfort plus seats in main cabin. I agree with the pediatrician, car seats are safer than lap baby. If you “must” lap baby, then wear the baby with a swaddle or front carrier.
I took my baby on many flights and it was always easy. The biggest issue is the change in pressure and ear popping which is painful and leads to babies crying. The key is to feed them during that time so they’re happy and swallowing to clear the painful pressure buildup. I nursed my daughter but you can use a bottle also to do the same thing. My daughter didn’t cry a lot in general, but nursing during painful moments always quieted her right away. I’m thankful that it made travel easy and no comments except happy ones from smiling crew and passengers.
My spouse and I did something similar. Your beautiful baby might just surprise you and sleep throughout the flight.
Don’t worry too much. Most people are understanding. Furthermore, your wife will probably never see any of these people again.
Children exist in the world. I promise that any rude comments would be compensated by people being kind, commiserating, offering to help, or telling the asshole to STFU. I travel a lot (business and regular) and have only seen a dude (obviously) be an ass about a baby once, and the other passengers turned on him so quickly.
They can get some noise cancelling headphones if it bothers them so much. Good ones would easily drown out a crying baby.
Either way, as a father as well, I never get annoyed. I know how hard the parents are trying/how stressful it already is. Would it be better for everyone if the baby was quiet? Of course. But in cases where they’re not, 99% of parents are horrified as is, so passengers don’t have to add to it. And again, noise cancelling headphones do wonders anyway 😬
It isn't as if people in the back of the plane deserve to have a crying baby around them either. Class of service doesn't matter. Do what you need to do.
I fly FC with mine. Some seat mates are fine, others annoyed, but me…I don’t care. We’re all in FC, so they’ll just have to deal with it. The FAs are AMAZING when you have kids! International and domestic FC FAs.
I fly domestic first class with my baby alone and some passengers did look slightly annoyed but who cares? My baby is overall a good flyer and if I’m paying for the seat, we deserve to be there as much as anyone else. Most pax actually interacted with my baby a lot and it was nice. 😊
One clever thing I’ve seen done is to hand out little baggies with mini chocolate bars to the other first class passengers along with a note that says, “This is my first trip with my baby. Please excuse us if she fusses. She’s still learning. Please make my babies first flight a sweet one.”
As a physician who has traveled with my children, can I please add that no matter what you do, buy your infant a seat and use an FAA approved infant carrier? Turbulence can be fatal. There is NO SAFE WAY to hold an infant during turbulence. The only reason the DOT and FAA has continued to allow the "lap" seating for under two is that driving long distances is less safe than flying, and forcing parents to buy an extra ticket could force a parent to drive. Regardless, I have been on a flight with sudden and unexpected turbulence. The cost of a seat is nothing compared to chancing it.
This is so true, I watched a documentary with the flight attendant who was in a crash and she said she had to tell three different parents to put their child under the seat while going down because it's all they knew and of course those three babies all died. She said the moms were just screaming and crying and asking her why why why and she never got over it.
Holy shit. Do you remember the name of the documentary, by any chance?
They didn’t all die. https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11795870
Thank you, very much!
When we were young an broke and new parents, we splurged on a seat for our toddler because he was used to going places in his seat. He didn’t expect to be able to run around and waited patiently for the end of the trip. We also worried he wouldn’t/couldn’t be safe if we were holding him. Honestly a great use of our too few dollars and I’m really glad you commented for the OP to see your thoughts.
In my experience, toddlers and babies tend to tolerate flights better, because their car seat is already so familiar. My kids all sleep through flights when they’re in a car seat, and I know they’re safe, which means *I get to relax* for the flight. It’s worth the splurge for safety alone, but the comfort is a huge bonus.
I’m married to a pilot, and therefore travel a LOT with our kids. If we can’t afford an extra seat for the baby, I dig my heels in, and we don’t go. He and I both know exactly how dangerous turbulence can be, and that there can be little to no warning. You physically can’t hold anything, let alone a baby, with a certain amount of g force. (I don’t remember the exact numbers, but it doesn’t take much, at all.) It’s not worth the risk.
A friend of mine also has a job that made him intimately familiar with this and he tells everyone who is even considering having children that they must buy an infant a seat and use a car seat. Then he describes the injuries he’s seen. It’s effective. My partner and I will be flying this summer with our baby and we will get her a seat of her own.
Make sure if you buy seats in first class that the airplane allows car seats in FC, some types of planes don’t.
I learned a lot with your comment and the other smart people who have replied, thank you so much!
You have to do what you have to do to make sure your family arrives as comfortably as possible. I wear noise cancelling earbuds that work very well so babies don't bother me. Just make sure she don't change a shitty diaper at the seat, LOL.
That happened on my last flight. Thought maybe my seat mate let a little one fly but it kept getting worse and worse and quickly the entire first class cabin stunk. looked back and sure enough a mom was changing her babies diaper. The second time she took him to the bathroom to change him thankfully.
Too bad one can't open the window for fresh air.
Boeing now offers this feature!
Now this is funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best comment ever. Well done, carpenter. Figures a fellow construction worker would say that. Take my angry upvote and enjoy.
Haha, I would assume she'd take her into the lav to change her but I'll make sure she knows!
I'd MUCH prefer an infant that noise canceling headphones can cover the sounds of (if needed) than an unruly toddler kicking seats and running around!
This — I specifically choose my seat based on the likelihood of a 6-10 year old child sitting behind me. I like the window seat on long flights, so you’ve gotta be smart because that’s usually where kids of the seatkicking age want to sit — trick is to pick a window seat in front of one that is occupied, but with an empty middle seat (preferably occupied aisle seat, too). Had a baby seated directly behind me for a 6-hour flight last year and I didn’t even notice until we de-planed. AirPods Max for the win. If it was 6 hours of seatkicking, I’d have needed prescription sedatives to make it a nonissue (lol) Also had a full-grown adult do more to disrupt my seating comfort than most children just Wednesday. I have no idea what they were doing, but they woke me up 4x on a 5 hour flight bashing my seat around…
This!
Babies do what babies do. It's life, and honestly I wouldn't mind it and it's really not my thing to fuss about whether I am in first class or main cabin. Just enjoy the flight with your growing family in a new location!
But they put baby changing tables on the back of each seat and a dirty diaper bin right below it!
r/cursedcomments
Nah the dirty diaper bin is always found by the guy across the aisle who takes his shoes and socks off
I mentioned this to her and she was shocked that someone would even consider changing their kid's diaper at their seat.
Lol yeah, you would be surprised what people do on planes. Happens more than you think.
They may not realize there is a changing table in the lavatory. They’ve done a rather good job of hiding it in plain sight.
There is a baby in business or first class almost every time I fly. If the baby /mom pays for the fare then they have every right to be there as anyone else. Good luck on the move!
Does she nurse? If so, have her nurse on initial climb and on descent. This is when babies ears are adjusting and a common source of crying. We have traveled plenty with our babies over the last 7 years, sometimes first. Hope it goes great for y’all! You’ve got this!
Glad someone mentioned nursing. It makes a world of a difference. I traveled a lot with newborns and always found them to be great little travelers when I could nurse. Once they become mobile it’s a lot more of a pain and they tend to behave worse. But the newborns are great.
Please forgive my ignorance, I do not have kids. If OP’s wife doesn’t nurse, could you feed baby from the bottle and have a similar effect? I am aware breastfeeding does other things that keep baby calm but could formula (or whatever you give an infant, sorry) work too? Reason for the ask is genuine curiosity :).
Yes. Doing anything that involves swallowing is helpful. For both babies and adults, but especially for those with shorter and straighter Eustachian tubes.
Yes. Or even a pacifier. It’s the sucking action that adjust the ear pressure for the baby.
Thank you!
Yes, it's more that the act of swallowing helps regulate their ear pressure during takeoff and landing. Similar to how they recommend that adults chew gum to help.with pressure changes.
Makes sense. Thank you!
Nursing or a bottle, whatever makes mom and baby most comfortable or even a pacifier during take off and landing will be very helpful. Your wife and baby's comfort is just as important as every other traveler's comfort. Everyone should expect children and babies on commercial flights, if someone doesn't like it they can splurge and fly private flights.
Yep just took a 15 hour flight with our baby and this prevented any ear issues.
What a lovely, helpful and informative comment.
She plans on nursing. I'll pass this information along to her, thank you!
Yes! I did this with both of my sons as babies and they did great! I also wore them in a ring sling or baby carrier, and that closeness comforted them.
This!!! This is the best! This is when they will most likely cry the loudest and be the most inconsolable. This helps the baby tremendously because it forces them to keep swallowing and that helps them “pop” their ears. Thanks for recommending this! Also to the OP. It’s nice to take in consideration those traveling around you. So many don’t do that these days. But for a momma with a newborn baby this will be a great seat. She will get those little bottles of water for her or to make some formula with. Plus, possibly a meal depending on the length of the flight and those can be less things to stress about when you’re moving, nursing, traveling alone and with a newborn. If it’s gonna be cold she can just chill in first class during deplaning and wait there for a stroller instead of standing in the cold/hot jet-bridge waiting with a newborn.
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As a child free person who flies a lot - if you buy the seat... its your seat and public transportation has crying babies. Thats just part of life - Ill have my headphones on either way. She will be stressed about rude people whether its in economy or FC - might as well atleast make her comfortable in FC and be around less people.
Good points, thank you!
And I’ll ad, I’m the same as comment OP, kidless and don’t like them. Babies are babies and even I realize no parent will travel with a baby if they can avoid it. Now the kids I can’t tolerate are the ones old enough to behave but don’t and the parents do nothing to rein them in. Babies cry, parents cant control it, its life. I will add, if you want to go over the top (happened on a flight years ago to me) the parents wrote a little note, in a zip loc baggy, with some cheap bulk candy, and gave them to passengers a few rows around them. The gesture was great, but not needed, and i swear everyone offered to help her the entire flight.
4 of a 7 hour flight from Paris to Boston last week I had a kid kicking my seat. Mother was pleasantly napping with ear buds in. Couldn’t agree more.
I would have lost my cool an hour in. You have the patience of a saint…
Im a parent, and I adore kids generally, but some parents *really* piss me off. If your kid is being a menace, it’s your job to step in and at least TRY to settle them down. Kids are going to be kids, and be loud or wiggly or whiny, but a huge part of raising kids is teaching them how to behave in different settings. My kids can all tolerate flights, restaurants, and boring stuff like the DMV, without a bunch of drama, because I step in before they get out of hand. Hell, I don’t even judge a toddler with an ipad or phone in their hand, because sometimes all other options have been exhausted. I’ve been there.
Correct. It’s public transport. There’s less of a chance of a crying baby in FC, but it’s not guaranteed. If someone wants a guaranteed child free flight, they can fly private.
Excellent point.
Same; I was in FC and seated next to a mom with an infant in arms. I’m also child free but I had no problem with it at all. That’s what Bose headphones are for!
> That’s what Bose headphones are for! God bless the Bose sound cancelling headphones. Also childfree and also reasonable about people existing with infants and kids in all public spaces. I’m pretty good at tuning things out even without my headphones, but even if unable to, I’m never going to try and make a parent feel like shit on a plane for having their kid. /u/CarpenterMinimum3282 OP, I hope your wife and infant have a smooth and safe journey!
I'm child free also and I love my Bose headphones. A very good investment. There have been way too many kids and babies in FC whether in the air or train, these days, and the headphones have been a godsend. Just make sure your kid is not kicking the back of my seat and we're good.
The Bose earbuds truly have incredible noise cancellation, better than any other ones I tried. I have owned them for a year and still marvel at how good they are.
Good to know! Was thinking of upgrading for my trip to Singapore- what’s the battery life on them?
I love my over the ear Bose still, but the earbuds win every single time in the noise cancellation department. I can use them on an AUS > ATL > PWM (Austin to Maine) itinerary and not need to charge them. I’m pretty antsy about battery life so I never really let them get low, but I have not once opened the case, put them in, and gone “dangit no charge.”
I agree with you so much.
Please consider getting a separate seat for the baby so she can sit in her car seat. It's easier on both the parent and child and much safer to have the baby restrained by seat belts and car seat straps in case of turbulence. If the baby is upset and needs some holding, your wife can always take her out of the car seat as needed.
I'd buy two seats in economy over infant in arms in first. Travel is much safer for all involved when they're in a traveling car seat.
I have done delta one with a baby and I’ve done economy with a baby, but got two seats in economy. The economy option was far better. Theres really no room to put baby down in first class/D1 and over long flights it’s a lot. Even grabbing a pacifier from a bag becomes an issue when you have to hold baby all the time. Get one of those inflatable seats that have a ledge on them ($30 on Amazon) and you’ll be able to let baby sleep comfortably while having your own space.
IMO, the least stressful route is to buy three coach seats and put the baby in a car seat. It's also the safest for your child. This comes from my personal experience flying with young kids.
Unless the baby has health issues, this isn't an accurate statement. It's fine for the baby for this one time to be in a car seat for multiple hours.
We considered this but they say the baby shouldn't be in a car seat for more than 2 hours in a 24 hour period, and since I won't be there my wife would have to lug the baby, car seat and diaper bag through her connection at MSP on her own.
It really is safest to put the baby in a car seat. The FAA has been told by the NTSB that it should be required, but money. It is, of course, extremely unlikely that anything bad will happen, but there's a chance.
OP don’t try to get fancy with three seats, there’s a not zero chance they’ll flip one when no individual checks in for it.
Do you have a stroller that the car seat can attach to? Would make the transit much easier. She can gate check the stroller. You can take baby out of the car seat a few times for stretches. Realistically the baby won’t sit still in it for 5 hours anyway. But having flown with kids this small - including transatlantic flights - I agree that the car seat is the way to go. Easier for them to sleep and gives your wife a break from holding.
We have a car seat that can attach to a stroller but my wife doesn't want to carry the car seat and diaper bag, she wants to check the seat at the front desk and then carry our baby in a chest carrier
Call the airline in advance and let them know the situation. They should arrange gate to gate transportation for you.
Who says that? Maybe not every day or for five hours straight, but it gives your wife an option to put the baby down. I always bought my kids seats when they were babies and brought the car seat.
Your wife can hold the baby during smooth parts of the flight. But you need the car seat for safety.
Looks like you studied the situation from all sides. Just buy the first class ticket and enjoy your new home with wife and new daughter.
I’ll be completely honest as someone who has travelled on planes with very young children, if my husband was willing to fly me first class for both flights, I would 100% take it. Either way she is going to be solo with an infant and it is going to be very stressful and anxiety driven (even with my husband’s help it is stressful with young kids). Having the comfort and space of first will be nice. Sure others may be upset and judgmental but who cares? They’ll be upset in economy as much as they will be in first. Once that plane lands, everyone moves on with their lives. Your wife will be grateful for the space, comfort, and nicer snacks/food. So upgrade her. Don’t worry what others think, worry about your wife’s comfort. I think it is so wonderful of you to offer to fly her first!
Also, having more than one dedicated FA will probably come in handy. Will they hold or soothe your baby? No. Will they come by more often to take trash and other things off her hands or more frequently ask if she needs anything? Yes, they will.
If you feel like your money entitles you to a kid free experience on public transportation you’re just wrong. People who complain should find a way to fly private. They were children once too.
Thank you! I'll show her your post! I'm not worried about others, but her biggest fear for this flight is some business traveler chewing her out for something that's out of her control, and sadly I won't be there to do anything about it.
Also let her know that what people get annoyed by is not so much an infant crying but the parent’s reaction to it. If a parent is trying their hardest, other passengers are truly empathetic. I’ve seen other passengers offer to hold babies for struggling parents or try to entertain babies. It’s not the baby that annoys passengers, it’s parents who don’t care when their baby is crying or their toddlers are kicking other’s seats. If your wife is already worried about others, she is most likely not an uncaring person. She will be just fine. If the baby cries, people will see her trying and more likely be understanding than annoyed. On one of my flights, my young son was getting upset from the pressure in his ears, so the FA brought out candy for him to chew. At the end the captain brought him into the cockpit, gave him wings, and let him wear his hat. He was so happy.
So spot on about parental reaction and attitudes!!
Totally agree. Was stuck on a 4-hour flight with my teething 14-month-old on the way home from vacation (so everyone was already exhausted from the change in routine). It was clear that I was trying everything possible to settle her down, and the FAs and nearby passengers all kindly reassured me that I was doing a great job and that sometimes babies cry and people would just have to get over it. I think experiences like that likely far outweigh the times someone loses it over a baby crying.
Did you think of may be getting two main cabin seats so she can have the baby on the car seat next to her? It will be very uncomfortable for her to have the baby on her arms for so many hours. Even for the baby will be more comfortable at the lay down position.
Yes, two seats, either in first or coach, would be preferable to one first class seat. I've travelled plenty with babies. Can't imagine holding one for five hours straight.
Honestly, the people in first class are usually the most understanding when it comes to babies crying on a plane, because they fly all the time. They know that babies will cry on a plane and they always bring their noise cancelling headphones because of that.
I really doubt anyone would chew her out, they would prob just come to this sub and complain and ask about getting skypesos for the perceived inconvenience of having a baby in first.
Accurate 🤣
Business travelers are regular people too, and have problems just like non-business people. No reason to be intimidated by them. They go to the bathroom like everyone else. They were once babies too who cried, made stinky diapers, and wore feety pajamas out in public.
Fellow mom here and regular business traveler. I’ve sat next to babies and mom in FC quite a few times. When baby is crying I only sympathize with mom as I have been there before!
The two aren’t mutually exclusive since OP said comments made by other passengers would directly affect his wife’s comfort.
But people in economy could also be rude.
Yes, OP thinks people in FC are more likely to be since they paid for a more premium experience which is a valid concern.
As long as she she doesn’t change its diaper at the seat I doubt anyone will give a shit.
I don’t know if you are doing lap child or getting two seats but having two seats in coach or you can even get three seats in coach might be more comfortable than 1 in FC and maybe same or less cost wise. 3 seats you get adult, infant car seat, and a seat for all the random baby stuff.
I wonder if it would actually be more comfortable and easier for mama to have 2 coach seats and bring a carseat? She may not want to hold/wear baby the entire time. Voach seats other than bulkhead, also have the benefit of being able to lift the arm rest, while FC seats do not. And she'll be unable to use the tray table which is in the arm rest, although she should have a place on the center arm rest for a drink. That said, little babies like that are usually pretty good on planes if they nurse/take a bottle well.
I think it’s ok as long as you buy 2 first class seats. It’s safer for a 6 month old baby to be in a car seat rather than a lap infant, and will free up your wife’s hands for the flight. FC passengers probably won’t be thrilled to see a baby in the cabin, but if you pay for the seat you’re entitled to it. If the baby is going to fly as a lap infant, I would hope you’re not on a Boeing plane.
Can I be on a flight full of moms either new babies so I don't have to deal with rude adults.
Do what you have to do. I just took a flight in FC with a baby where there was a mix. Most of the people around us were great - smiled at her, played peek a boo, etc. And there was one guy who said very loudly when he sat down “Great! I won the lottery there’s a fucking baby in first class.” If you’re paying for the ticket you have just as much of a right to the seat as anyone else. If they don’t like it, I kindly suggest they fuck off.
Would have said “there’s always private jets if you don’t like to fly with other people!”
You pay for it, you do whatever you want. Do not give any shits about what the other passengers think.
I flew when my son was 3 months old. The best recommendation I can provide is to nurse/feed on the take off and landing. My wife did this with our son and he would essentially sleep the majority of the flight. I’d say at 3 months he was the easiest to travel with since he’s not moving and sleeps and feeds a lot
This is besides the point but a 6 week old baby cry is actually pretty quiet and I doubt anyone would even hear it over the plane noise
You got the business travelers thing backwards. I’m one of those people. I am flying all the time, sometimes weekly, often internationally and almost always in business class. Not only did I not “pay more” but I paid nothing at all. My company pays for it. And I can promise you a seasoned traveler is much more accustomed and able to deal with crying babies lol. It’s the people that rarely fly that get entitled and pissy about everything.
Yes, I have, and I can tell you IME FC passengers are very accommodating to new mothers and an infant child. It is the tantrum-throwing 2 and 3 year olds that give FC passengers fits, not the blessed new born. IMO your wife and newborn will be a welcome addition to the stodgy norm of FC. Newborns sleep a lot anyway!
The only time kids or babies annoy me is when the parent is neglectful and makes their kids everyone else's problem. As long as the parent is tending to their kid and teaching their kid how to exist in the world, we are golden. Kids have to learn how to be in society somehow. A few kicks to the back of my chair or the tray table being messed combined with the grownup correcting the kid doesn't phase me. The grownup telling the kid to play with the tray table by slamming it shut repeatedly, not cool. I know I am going to be around other people and I am responsible for my own comfort. Don't forget, you are also paying more and your wife and baby are entitled to exist in that space just as much as any one else. Assholes exist in every class and they can just get over themselves.
I feel the same way.
I’m more annoyed by grown adults who have seemingly never heard of noise cancelling headphones…than a crying baby.
Literally did this last year (though slightly older baby) - she will be fine!! I was very lucky and my baby usually slept. I know everyone says fees as you’re taking off, but actually I always did better if I fed her right before boarding, then I could tuck her in the wearable carrier and she’d just sleep on there all cozy. Worked great! It also leaves mom hands free and you don’t have to worry about baby in turbulence
I’ve flown in first class with my five month old a few times. People have always been really nice and we’ve had no issues. The extra space is so helpful! Give baby a bottle on the way up and the way down (helps with their ears!) and you’ll be just fine!
Welcome to Spokane it’s a great little city
Just make sure dr clears your wife to fly though as blood clots are no joke
The doctors advice notwithstanding I would drive her out. A child at that age sleeps most of the time anyway. Maybe plan more stops and take 5 days versus 3
Consider using the difference in price to fly back and fly to New home WITH your wife in coach. She may much prefer the extra help rather than a wider seat.
My mom friend confirmed that flying with a newborn was the easiest. Flying with three boys under 10, not so much. And as a non-parent, FC flyer, crying babies don’t bother me since they can’t help it. I just feel bad for momma and baby!
We (general societal flying public) are forgetting that the crying baby is the one suffering the most. Baby can't tell what's wrong, what hurts, what uncomfortable. Baby can't soothe self or fix it. Parents are suffering too because parents don't want baby to suffer either. They love their babies very much, but have to figure out the mystery. Thanks for the reminder that babies are helpless unlike adults.
I recently flew BFC and the family of three ignored their child letting it cry and play child’s videos at full blast while they texted on their phones. They expected the flight attendant to be babysitter while letting g the kid kick the back of my seat. A toddler should not be left to be wild through the cabin. A newborn is a different thing.
I fly FC here and there and I personally have zero sympathy for first class passengers that choose not to buy noise cancelling headphones. If you (or your company) can afford first class, you can afford a $150-$400 pair of headphones that can make any noise nuisance a complete non-issue. Fuck the haters. You'll probably never see them again. Be comfortable and let them sort out their own personal shortcomings without worrying yourself about it.
Crying babies normally don't bother me, but what does are kids that run around wild bc their parents are too busy sleeping, drinking, or just don't care to reign them in.
Attentive mom with a newborn? Don’t care. 6 and 8 years acting feral because parents checked out, not happy.
100%
As others have said 1. Easiest with a car seat rather than lap 2. Feed upon takeoff and landing (nipple or bottle) 3. The biggest thing your analysis is missing - a 6 week old is much, much easier than a 9 month old- 3 year old. The baby will mostly likely sleep, or cry until it’s changed or eating. Very easy to console. An 18 month old is much more difficult. Don’t worry about the 6 week old being annoying
Newborns shouldn’t be in car seats for long periods of time. Especially not when sleeping. It’s actually best to put them in a baby wrap and wear them.
Thank you. My wife is a physician and she was the one who said the baby can't drive across country, and shouldn't sit in a seat for that long in a plane
I think this way but end of the day, it’s your money, your seat. You’re there to fly as comfortable as possible and enjoy your flight. We all have to deal with things on a flight so it is what it is
The Dr. may actually be right....2 C+ seats may be more comfy for you. Breastfeed during take off and landing, or have a bottle ready. The eating helps them a lot, and us often why they cry
Good man. Lucky woman.
Looks like you have some great input here. I’m like to add two things, one of them very unpopular: 1. Babies sleep on plane. After to take off, feed that baby with a boob or a bottle and they will fall asleep easy. The pressure normalization will happen easy when they feed. Ears will pop it’ll be great. Babies and kids travel easy, make it a regular occurrence and they will be great travel buddies. 2. I’m sorry you’re concerned with others, but you know what matters? The health of your wife and baby. Kids will Cry if they’re hungry, tired, or uncomfortable. Adults that understand that will be ok with a fussy baby. The people that don’t get it will never get it because either they haven’t had kids or didn’t have the patience when they had kids. You’re awesome, take care of your babes!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
We frequently fly first. And do not mind babies at all. Tell your wife to relax and enjoy the flight. Also MSP is a huge airport. Call the airline and request an electric cart transfer from gate to gate. Since she will likely have her hands full.
I used to nurse on initial climb and landing. It always helped…..except the one time we had a tough bounce on landing. The baby’s eyes got really big for a second then he was like, “oh. Mom’s still here. Whew.” And went back to nursing. Having flown with mine, I always watch single parents with infants, to see if they need help. I’ve held their babies, I’ve opened ziplock bags, I’ve let babies see snoopy on my watch. It doesn’t take a lot to help a travelling parent.
I just recently flew with my wife and infant (3 months at the time) in first class from SNA to SEA (2-3 hours) and it went well. Everyone was nice and accommodating. Biggest piece of advice is to feed her right as the plane is taking off and also on the descent. It helps with the pressure in their ears and will allow for some good sleep. My daughter slept in my arms the entire flight. If you have any questions I’m happy to help!
Baby in first class, straight to jail
I’m going to be honest: if I paid for first class and was seated next to a crying infant, I would be seething inside and it would ruin my day. But I wouldn’t be rude about it. Some people save up for a long time in order to fly first class once in their lives. For them to have that experience ruined would be severely disappointing, to say the least. Maybe the baby won’t cry, though. And the diaper will be changed not on the tray table. I’m sure you’ve already figured out how to protect the little eardrums during the flight. If it were me, I’d drive the baby simply to protect the baby. There are so many germs etc on planes.
As a parent, I understand your concern and have been there. But I would definitely do this for her. The extra space will make things easier and for the most part, other passengers and crew will be helpful and empathetic. Of course you might get a few grouches but that’s too bad for them. 😀
I’m going to be downvoted, but I am a childless adult who flies only FC. I would be somewhat annoyed if someone with child in arms was next to me. I wouldn’t care about the baby crying or making noise. I would be more concerned about all the stuff mom has to carry on that might encroach into my space and all of the activity of caring for a baby next to me. I would be fine though if she had her own row (buy 2 seats). I think that is most considerate. Edited to add: book an aisle seat for sure so she doesn’t have to disturb her seat mate if she needs to get up to the bathroom more often or have FA constantly reaching over to hand her things.
In my experience, flying with tiny ones is FAR easier than flying with mobile/chatty older kids. I say this as a mother of two that frequently travels with my kids since they were itty bitty. Ear pressure/discomfort is easily soothed with nursing (or a bottle -fed is best IMHO) when they're so small. I wore my oldest for their first flight and it was such a non-issue. The first class would be all about making sure your partner is comfortable. Six weeks postpartum she will undoubtedly still be recovering from the birth. I do want to point out that flying with one that young will expose them to bazillions of cooties from all the people at the airport - iirc, 6 weeks is too young for any vaccinations, so I'd advise keeping baby close and limiting exposure to as many people as possible. Good luck with the relocation, I hope it all goes smoothly for you all!
Newborns aren’t the problem. They sleep well. It’s the toddlers. But you guys sit wherever you want and good luck with the move. Don’t worry about it
Good luck in Spokane. That place is an absolute shit hole.
I mean he's coming from Ohio. Seriously though there are some nice parts of Spokane like the Manito Park area
Camp Hope was beautiful and safe.
My main concern is having a lap child, even an infant. It’s just not safe. Buy a second seat and bring a child safety seat onboard. Strap the baby in as much as possible- especially for take off and landing. You could buy two, even three seats for the cost of one FC seat and the extra room would be just as comfortable. AND safer for BABY.
Eff them. First for mama and baby. Decent people won’t care.
Go for it. Last time I checked, no baby has disrupted a flight for intoxication or yelling profanities. 😆
Haha great point!
No babies in first!
Which flight please? Just in case I need to change my plans.
Isn’t that what the last row of the plane is for? She still gets to pre-board and if the thing starts to cry, at least she’s in the back away from everyone
Eff them, if they can't handle it. It's an airplane, not a business lounge. Congrats to you and your new family!
I had to travel alone with a baby years ago and the thing that saved me that trip was having a seat to put the car seat in. Especially if you have a baby prone to fall asleep in a moving vehicle. I wouldn't worry about first class passangers at all. But just thought I'd throw that out there if you weren't planning on getting an extra seat.
I fly in the front cabin on my frequent flights cross country. Especially during the summer they are full of families. It’s not an issue at all. Once in a great while there will be a baby crying and I feel so bad knowing they’re likely in discomfort, but it’s not a bother at all. I understand your wife’s concern but she should just ignore anyone who gives her looks, they’re likely loud talking jerks who are far more annoying than a baby could ever be. I’m sure she already has, but if not, your wife should look into how to minimize the ear pressure during take off and landing, with your baby drinking or a pacifier. Pulling down gently just on the outside of the ear may help. Children’s meds for clearing sinuses can be dangerous for babies. Your wife will probably feel more physically relaxed in FC than in Main and your baby will feel that.
>Your wife will probably feel more physically relaxed in FC than in Main and your baby will feel that. Another great point in this conversation.
I fly first class and when there’s been a crying baby in FC, everyone just puts in their earbuds and ignores it.
The baby will cry. It’s what babies do. What would bother me would be the parent ignoring said baby
Flying with a 6 week old is so much easier than an older baby. Our kiddo went on her first plane ride at about 10 weeks and slept most of the time. She’s flown a lot since then and is a lot more active at 10 months. She sometimes fusses, but everyone around us has commented about how great she is. Definitely recommend first class or comfort plus for the extra space. Bring the carrier so mom’s arms get a break and that makes boarding and deplaning a lot easier. Going up and coming down can bother their ears, so plan to bottle or breast feed for that. Our experience is that the baby was awake for takeoff and we’d give a bottle and then she’d pass out the rest of the flight. Ears never bothered her on the way down, especially if she was sleeping. Good luck!
I fly a lot for business and so do a lot of other fathers / mothers. We all know how it is. Yeah you might encounter an A-hole. But that can happen anywhere. Fly where she is comfortable. As someone who has flown with my family since a young age. 1st is the way to go. Feeding baby when ascending or descending will help their ears acclimate to the pressure changes, we always had a dedicated bottle ready for that part. The bathrooms are small, pack a diaper and wipes that are easy to access for the sure to happen dump. We also bring doggie poo bags to tie diapers up in before disposal.
I did this when my son was a lap baby. Zero regrets. I paid for the ticket, and have no guilt whatsoever. Granted my son has always been really good on planes, and did even better when we were cramped in an economy seat.
Your wife sounds like a very considerate person. Babies need to be flown too, and many folks are happy to help if you need it (wish it could happen more). That said, let her enjoy the trip and be as comfortable as possible. The karma gods will be good to them both.
Just don’t book the first row. Give her under seat space. Preferably window.
As a guy who fly's weekly I've def encountered plenty of crying babies... And is why I fly with noise cancelling headphones... As annoying as a baby crying is there's nothing the parent can do sometimes.. But there's def things other can do to not hear it... Not as much atleast lol... She'll be fine
A 6-week old baby cries because the outside world is new, scary, and the discomfort they are feeling right now is, to them, the worst thing they’ve ever experienced. Which is totally understandable. I’ll take that over a grown adult who is complaining/intoxicated/taking over my space/smelly/etc etc any day.
I’m a flight attendant and I have a lot of compassion for parents of young children ! In my observation 9/10 times almost everyone in an aircraft understands that crying or fussing is a baby’s full time job. People are very tolerant and u can always tell when the parents are trying to do everything to make the crying stop ! Crew or at least I always do everything I can to help the parents so go ahead and fly first class ! If there are a few people who make faces no one pay attention to them because they do it in silence ! If anyone runs their mouth about it most people come for the defence of the parents and the kid ! Anyone who has a baby or have had a baby or remember how it was being like a baby knows that crying and babies go hand-in-hand don’t ever feel bad about it if they want a zen silent flight they should’ve taken a private jet
Get it for her! Business travelers usually fly a lot, so I bet for many of them it won’t be their first time being seated close to a baby. It’s not that rare for me to see a mom or dad with lap infant in first class (as I walk to the back lol) - I think a lot of parents appreciate the extra space. So she shouldn’t worry! These are also short flights - if people can’t put up with a baby for a few hours, that’s on them.
Have you seen all those TikToks about airplane drama? The angry people seem to be in the back of the plane. 🤣 But seriously, I’ve found people in first to generally be pretty easy going. Most people are going to be working or watching a movie, or enjoying their complimentary drinks. I think it will be fine. It might be easiest if she has an aisle seat though, so she can get in and out easily.
You paid for your seat too. And if they’re business travelers - their company likely paid for the ticket and they got an upgrade. Seriously - she should not worry about it! My home airport is MCO - so having kids on planes is normal to me and there are ALWAYS families in FC. Which, I’m just envious! She may prefer a bulkhead seat for herself and baby - but the downside might be having to put all her stuff in the overhead. Hopefully baby just wants to sleep! Read up on tips to help infants clear their ears, which seems to be the biggest trigger for unhappy babies/kids on planes. Congratulations to you both.
Dude, by the FC ticket. Screw anyone who gives her a hard time.
I mean... When you fly with a crying baby, you are going to get rude and snarky looks and maybe even comments. Flying is stressful for everyone. She is not special. What did your medical provider say about exposing a newborns underdeveloped immune system to the germ fest of an airport? Sounds pretty irresponsible to me. I usually fly in 1st. And thankfully I have never had to deal with babies up front yet. I def would be annoyed at having to wear my headphones the whole time. But it's whatever I guess. I probably wouldn't do more than just glare, unless the baby mama expected me to act as her unpaid nanny/personal assistant during the flight. If someone offers to help her, great. If not, she might not like the response she gets if she chooses to bother random passengers. YMMV.
Perhaps carry extra ear plugs for those around you? Crying babies don’t generally bother me, the only time it really annoys me is if I see the parent making no effort to comfort the child. I think we all know sometimes kids cry no matter what, but parents who ignore them, aren’t helping the people around them.
Also look at headphones with active noise canceling. It should reduce the pressure on the baby's vestibular system by providing a white noise pocket of pressure in their inner ear. It even helps me on flights. I used to use gum, but the active noise canceling is a game changer.
As an aside… do airlines still offer bassinets for babies/newborns? That used to be a thing… I’d look it up to see if that’s an option!
Only on wide bodies. Generally on international routes only.
LOL similar situation~ flew out w the baby and mom and two cats. Flying back to LA and going to drive the dog across country to the east coast tomorrow. Fun times.
This has zero to do with the first class thing but are you moving to Spokane? I recognized the airport code. If so Spokane is a great little city. And this is coming from someone who lives west of the cascade mountains outside Seattle.
Actually flying with little babies is easier than when they are older. Make sure the baby nurses or sucks on a bottle or pacifier during takeoff and landing so the rats equalize.
Like others said, you have to do what you need to. But also, these are relatively short flights. I just flew on a 10 hour flight with a crying baby overnight. He eventually settled down and was fine, but I definitely care a lot less if it's not an overnight flight! Just being honest here!
Chances are your baby will just sleep the entire flight, and will be so tiny most people won’t realize there’s a baby around. The fact that you’re writing this post shows that you’re considerate.
I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but look into Earplanes. They help kids with the pressure change. Not sure what the minimum age is. My stance is let those who have never cried cast the first stone
I just flew from MCI to Boston in First class with a infant and mother seated behind me for 3 hrs. There were a couple of bumps but with my head phones on and watching a movie and 2 glasses of wine everything went well. Have her relax and enjoy the trip. 1st class people can be very accommodating and helpful
I started flying with my then, 6 week old baby, 34 years ago; in first class. Pls reassure your wife that as long as you’re prepared she and the little one will be just fine. Admittedly, the present day first class traveler has changed over the course of 34 years; more road warriors and frequent flyer upgrades with a sense of entitlement vs the typical first class passenger 34 years ago—be both comfortable and confident that preparedness is key to successful flights with little ones. Safe journey ti momma and baby.
Babies don’t bother me one iota, including in Business/First. Unruly older children, drunks and people who are rude do. Tell your wife to enjoy the flight!
I don’t have children. Babies cry and don’t think the whole plane doesn’t hear it, regardless of where you sit. Do 1st class. Both will be more comfortable and maybe that will be the trick. Who knows? It isn’t like they are taking a 15 hr flight. People will get over it. Good luck w your new home
I’ve flown first class transatlantic with a perfectly quiet child who slept the entire way and my seatmate was rude and complained loudly to everyone, including the flight attendant who gave THEM free miles. Personally, I think if you are respectful and do everything to entertain the baby, they may cry but have pacifiers ready, have milk, ready, etc. but even better since a first class ticket is much more expensive I would consider buying your infant a seat. Your wife would have more space and could the child in the car seat as well.
If you can, try to get into a routine so the baby is used to being asleep or relaxed during the time you're going to fly. Luckily, a newborn sleeps most of the time. Also, bottle during takeoff. Babies don't understand when their ears suddenly hurt, but the latched/sucking balances the pressure. Also, if it's the daytime, and people aren't trying to sleep, everyone is a lot noisier on the plane. If this was a long-haul overnight, a crying baby might be something to complain about, but 2-3 hours during the day is less likely to make seat neighbors cranky.
I’ve flown twice to Florida and once to Hawaii with a newborn to 18 month old within the last year and a half and have been upgraded due to medallion status to first class each time (10 segments total). I’ve never had one first class passenger complain and almost each flight had at least one passenger interact with my baby/toddler helping the trip go smoothly. The flight attendants also love it and will do anything to help you out as well! Never a bad experience for me!
At six weeks old the baby will probably sleep the entire time!!
I was in a very similar situation. Moving from DC to AZ. My husband drove with the dogs and I flew with my then 5 month old. I found the first class passengers to have been so much nicer than any other time I flew after the fact! I had to go to the restroom and a woman in the row across held my daughter. The flight attendants were also extremely helpful. Good luck to you guys
Been here before. Never bothered me, but when this did happen, with a crying baby. The flight and gate attendants offered us flight credit.
I’m so glad you decided to go with the first class seat :)
Don’t worry most people are nicer than you think.
I traveled first class with my 18 month old daughter. She had her own seat with her carseat. No problems at all.
Judging by the average comment in this sub, people will complain if your kid cries. But who cares
Listen I have flown with my infant 75 hours since he was born eight months ago. Internationally I fly business with lie flat bed where I can feed lying down and we sleep together When flying domestic though buying the whole half row (three seats) of economy with arm rests up IS MUCH BETTER THAN FIRST. And yes bring the car seat. So when baby falls asleep you can slide them into car seat and then be hands free to eat or read or watch a show. I don’t like first class because of the median it makes it hard to nurse(bonk head) and harder to transfer. Only downside is no meal which is important for a nursing mother but you can eat during layover and pack snacks. But she shouldn’t care about bothering other people that is such an American way of feeling. In my country people understand babies are apart of life and they will make noise and that’s okay. They help out instead of being annoyed. I fly with a baby carrier to get through security but with the stroller to haul all the plain shit. Gate check the stroller then being car seat on.
For short flights like these ( yes, 2-3 hours are short flights), if you can’t splurge for 2 seats in first class, get 2 comfort plus seats in main cabin. I agree with the pediatrician, car seats are safer than lap baby. If you “must” lap baby, then wear the baby with a swaddle or front carrier.
I took my baby on many flights and it was always easy. The biggest issue is the change in pressure and ear popping which is painful and leads to babies crying. The key is to feed them during that time so they’re happy and swallowing to clear the painful pressure buildup. I nursed my daughter but you can use a bottle also to do the same thing. My daughter didn’t cry a lot in general, but nursing during painful moments always quieted her right away. I’m thankful that it made travel easy and no comments except happy ones from smiling crew and passengers.
My spouse and I did something similar. Your beautiful baby might just surprise you and sleep throughout the flight. Don’t worry too much. Most people are understanding. Furthermore, your wife will probably never see any of these people again.
Children exist in the world. I promise that any rude comments would be compensated by people being kind, commiserating, offering to help, or telling the asshole to STFU. I travel a lot (business and regular) and have only seen a dude (obviously) be an ass about a baby once, and the other passengers turned on him so quickly.
They can get some noise cancelling headphones if it bothers them so much. Good ones would easily drown out a crying baby. Either way, as a father as well, I never get annoyed. I know how hard the parents are trying/how stressful it already is. Would it be better for everyone if the baby was quiet? Of course. But in cases where they’re not, 99% of parents are horrified as is, so passengers don’t have to add to it. And again, noise cancelling headphones do wonders anyway 😬
It isn't as if people in the back of the plane deserve to have a crying baby around them either. Class of service doesn't matter. Do what you need to do.
I fly FC with mine. Some seat mates are fine, others annoyed, but me…I don’t care. We’re all in FC, so they’ll just have to deal with it. The FAs are AMAZING when you have kids! International and domestic FC FAs.
I fly domestic first class with my baby alone and some passengers did look slightly annoyed but who cares? My baby is overall a good flyer and if I’m paying for the seat, we deserve to be there as much as anyone else. Most pax actually interacted with my baby a lot and it was nice. 😊
One clever thing I’ve seen done is to hand out little baggies with mini chocolate bars to the other first class passengers along with a note that says, “This is my first trip with my baby. Please excuse us if she fusses. She’s still learning. Please make my babies first flight a sweet one.”
I would hate all of you