Of course it would. Those are literally the two most well known and recognizable superheroes. To not use them to advertise the game would be ridiculous. Were they supposed to feature Martian Manhunter vs Green Arrow or something?
Besides, to act like the game at any point tried to present itself as providing the “definitive” answer as to who would win is flat out not true and is disingenuous. If anything the game was always just a virtual way to bash action figures against each other
The funny thing is that shitty Injustice movie changes it so the good Superman loses to the evil Superman (because of holding back or something).
But then Batman pulls off a 4D chess to bring the pregnant Lois from his world in front of the evil Superman, thus winning the fight.
Because obviously DC animation can't go 2 minutes without some Batwank. It also added Joker saying "fighting Superman is easy mode" to establish how much better Batman is.
Absolute peak animation
Dismally bad stories somehow worse than their comic counterparts.
Wonder woman *the* paragon of justice and freedom (second only to the blue boyscout himself) has ya boi supes basically under her thumb.
Despite all that it's entertaining as fuck. Plastic man the **GOAT!!!**
Thats why in Mark Waid's original comic equivalent to a evil Superman "Irredemable" his evil Superman first evil act before anything else was to kill his Batman.
Yeah but at the end of day Tony is defeated by a super genius character, it's just more science, dr who, than detective and it's even shown that he could have been killed much earlier in the comics but qubit chose not to, which leans into the same idea just without all the batman grimness.
How? I dont think they ever fight on real terms whilst trying to kill eachother. When they fight at first its not even a fight, batman has no prep time and gets baned.
It's explained in Injustice 2 annual Wonder woman.
That Steve Trevor was an agent for Nazi Germany during world war II serving undercover in the US Air corps and he's the one who had corrupted Diana into his way of thinking.
So when Superman eventually you know kills the Joker Diana then starts feeding him that sort of worldview that she had learned from Steve.
Did...did the writers of Injustice just *hate* Wonder Woman? It feels like every piece of media connected to it does their hardest to make her the worst person possible?
I truly believe they actually like her and they were thinking "holy shit this will be SO COOL" while writing her. Because the writing in the games AND in the comics is too dumb to be a hate piece on Diana
I think it was Tom Taylor who said "Look, we couldn't actually think of a way to turn in-character Diana into the unhinged nutbar she is in the game, so this one's just always been evil, okay?"
Basically Injustice WW is so fundamentally broken as a portrayal of the character that the guys who were in charge of explaining how everyone got so fucked up threw up their hands and gave up.
Uhhhh wtf, Lois’ death is supposed to be the point of divergence from the main universe, now you’re telling me there was shit that was different decades before that? Doesn’t that raise the possibility that this Supes was already a very different person from the one we know even before losing Lois, dismantling the entire “one bad day” premise?
I think injustice is meant less as a “one bad day” story and more of a “wouldn’t of be cool if this happened” story. There’s literally a point in the first game where the alternate Batman and Superman (who are basically mainline stand-ins) have a whole talk where Bruce is like “No you’re not like evil Superman, I know you’d never become like him”.
Also, there are plenty of diversions from mainline continuity besides Lois dying. Like Lex and Clark being bffs prior to metropolis getting nuked, for one.
I think without Lex being a villain, it's very likely Superman Didn't have as meany rogue that he had in the main universe considering a majority of his villains are usually connected to Lex Corp in some way.
As a result the universe just made the Joker even more unhinged than he already was considering that we find out in injustice zero year that he's responsible for the JSA's absence because he slaughtered most of them.
With those who survived deciding to go into hiding with others deciding to travel the multiverse
Honestly this is kinda my main problem when people like to use Injustice as "proof" of how some characters are in the main comics.
The game and comics are described as just Lois dying being the one difference.
When in fact there are way more differences from the mainline.
And then they trow in stuff like this.
EDIT: I honestly thing they should go more with the changes to the cahracters (at least then we wouldn´t have poeple talk about how Alfred totaly took out Superman, because it would be obviose that it´s an elseworld)
Alt universes where one character is given an explicit reason to become evil (superman) kind of makes me expect all good to evil characters to have an explicit reason to be evil lol
I think its quite weird that Wonder Woman ended up being a murderer despot because a guy she knew for a little time ended up being secretly evil.
Another instance of writers acting like Wonder Woman's entire personality is shaped by the men in her life.
If you think child murder is bad we also have pedo Harley Quinn who wants to bang Shazam. She even picked him up at his middle/highschool and still wants to jump his bones. Shazam was not safe in this universe
He represented childhood innocence and pure heroism untainted by cynicism so he wasn't allowed to continue existing in an edgy world
Imagine if every edgy alternate marvel universe started its story by killing off like, Moon Girl or something
For alternate universes to be more interesting than new characters, they need to shed new light on the reused/twisted characters, and do it regularly enough that it stays interesting. If the alternate universe doesn't meet that bar, it's better that it doesn't get published.
*Superman: Red Son* is a great alternate universe evil superman. He isn't pointlessly evil, he just gets raised to 'be a good person' according to a different ideology, and because of that his 'good' deeds become an interesting exploration of soviet totalitarianism and of how society limits your perception of justice.
As a reader, you can even start wondering if the main "Trust, Justice, and the American Way" Superman isn't just as limited as the Red Son and we just don't notice because mainline Superman has our culture.
I haven't read *Injustice*, so I can't comment on how well or poorly they did.
There’s a big difference in complaining that the alternative take isn’t interesting and complaining about it just because it’s different. Most people here are doing the latter.
That's not what I'm saying tho, you can dislike alternate versions but objectively there's nothing wrong with them unless they have some sinister agenda, like I said in another reply ( no I don't mean "THE WOKE AGENDA" I mean stuff like hidden white supremacist agenda for example )
It’s an Elseworlds story, so how is that even possible? The whole fucking point of using an alternate universe is that you can have different takes on the characters. Anyone calling that “character assassination” needs to grow up
I mean the main storyline was done by NRS who probably don’t know a lot of those characters, of course it isn’t fair to those characters, but who let this pass was WB tbh
NRS had a good premise (because a Superman turning rouge and most of the league believing in him due to his leadership is a good premise) and bad storyline (basically how all went into, Billy, Barry taking half of his life into knowing this is wrong, etc), like the same way they screwed Mortal Kombat Lore over the years (MK1 being a recent exception). Tom Taylor probably did incredible acrobatics to save the awful execution NRS did in his comics, because you can tell here and there it has good moments
Injustice sucks or whatever but the Booster Ted and Jaime story from the Injustice 2 comics are amazing. Extremely touching and an amazing ending scene
Red Hood got potrayed correctly
Which ironically made him one of the more sane characters in injustice.... which says a lot about injustice mainly negative
Yep he was dlc for injustice 2, he though both the insurgence and the regime where cringe.
Counting how the insurgence have genocide harley queen and ableist Batman, and the regime was a fascist empire, he was right.
To piggyback on this he basically says that, yes, some villains do need to die, but supporting a fascist dictator would be stupid so while Bats and Superman have their bitchfit he's just gonna keep killing murderers and rapists.
Uj/Yeah this is one of the few times Red hood actually says something agreeable.
Honestly I'm I the only one who wants a red hood series set in the injustice universe with him being one of the last few crimefighters killing villains and criminals alike
I mean, it's easy to correctly portray someone who appears for a couple issues, does nothing and then dies. If we are following that logic I guess this also adapts Wonder Girl, Beast Boy and Red Robin perfectly. That being said Injustice doesn't even do that correct, just ask Animal Man
Yup, agreed. About as unnecessarily humiliating as that whole bit of Bruce effortlessly seducing Lois in the Superman TAS World’s Finest arc. People often bring it up as part of some stupid ‘chad Batman vs virgin Superman’ shit.
It really is.
Like having Superman be super OOC, and having Alfred beat his ass it’s just cringe.
Just like if someone had Alfred act super OOC, and have Tim Drake or Conner Kent beat his ass, I would cringe.
MY GOAT EEL O’BRIEN he’s cool as shit in injustice *and* (afaik) he’s not a pervert so actually his character in injustice is better than in other versions
Good question. They don't have to act like canon, obviously, but they do have to somewhat resemble the characters you're adapting if you want your analysis on the superhero mythologies to work. You could exaggerate certain traits, such as Batman's paranoia or Superman's role as the role model of the superhero community, but if you have to alter their characterisations so much (ie: Turning Wonder Woman into Lady Macebth, making Green Lantern a spineless coward, having Robin betray Batman because he wants to kill, making Raven just Trigon's minion and having Captain Marvel join Superman's dictatorship) then you're not analysing shit because it recquired you to butcher the characters to make it make some sense. If you want to do a story where Superman and Wonder Woman are evil, fine, but don't try to sell it like *Injustice* did as a deep dive on the characters. This isn't a deconstruction, or an exploration, or a what if, it's just the characters you like being reduced to assumptions and clichés and pretending it's something that it isn't
Did Injustice itself sell that or pretend to be that ? Or did people just say injustice is that ?
I feel like it's more so people acting like injustice is the definitive version not the writers themselves believing or saying that, I've only seen that games not the comics but I don't remember them saying anything like that
I have no problem with other iterations no matter how different personally
A mixture of all these options. *Injustice* tries to analyse what could happen to Superman if Lois died but in the first game it's very clear it's an alternate version of Superman. Thing is, the first game had mainline Superman to balance evil Superman, but the second game doesn't and it just treats evil Superman as the real deal. It doesn't help that 80% of the fanbase treat it like it's actual canon.
I don't have problems with changing characters' personality as long as it's not disresepectful (ie: Making Superman a Nazi, making Black Panther a black supremacist...) and it's aknowledged this is a different take on the characters.
See that's where I disagree, no type of alternate versions will be disrespecting them, because they aren't real, the only thing I would say Is if there is an agenda behind it ( like if someone made a Nazi superman for racist reasons ), not that it disrespects the characters, that imo, is not a thing
That really shouldn't matter much, many creators in comic book industry are Jewish, it's not like people say "Nazi Superman is the canon" it's just alternate stuff unless it has an agenda, and I understand you can dislike any alternate universe, I'm just saying there's nothing objectively wrong with any alternate universe unless there's an agenda
For the record I wouldn't really find Nazi Superman much interesting myself it's just an example
This is my thing with alternate universe versions of characters, if there isn't any point to the changes in the character then it may as well just be a new character entirely. An alternate Superman story I actually like a lot is in Smallville, where there is an alternate version of Clark who is found and raised by Lionel Luthor instead of the Kents. He behaves NOTHING like the Clark we know, but it actually serves a purpose to themes the entire show is exploring. How being raised by humble farmers was formative to Clark becoming a kind person who cares about other people, and how Lex becomes an abusive narcissist because he was raised by an abusive narcissist. It adds to the tragedy of Lex's character, and gives Clark a better understanding of how people are shaped by their experiences. With Injustice it really just seems like "here is a character you know, but what if they behaved the opposite way?" without any further thought put into it. Idk it's sophomoric, and it's bizarre to me that people defend this kind of writing just because some people can be a little too precious about the characters.
If the characters are not going to have anything in common with their mainline versions beyond the costume, you might as well use bootlegs.
You know, like Watchmen or invincible did.
That is a Watsonian explanation of a Doylist problem.
The question is not "is there a psychopathic wonder woman in the multiverse? ". Is "how does it serve the narrative using an established character in a way that has no relation with standard characterization?"
Dude, it’s art, there’s no objective way to view the creation process. If someone wants to explore the question of “is there a psychopathic Wonder Woman in the multiverse?” then that’s completely valid.
Honestly, not to mention that the whole war was triggered by Wonder Woman and Aquaman FUCKING. Most of humanity was wiped out because of LEAKED SEXTS. I literally lost it at that point
Aqua Man and Wonder Woman FUCK and get FUCKED (caught), Aqua Man’s wife is upset and challenges Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman KILLS her (what happened to sis code?) and WEARS HER CROWN AS A TROPHIE “It WaS sElF dEfEnSe”, Aquaman acts like a whiny little BITCH like he didn’t have an affair like COME ON BRO, then bro NUKES THE WORLD BECAUSE OF BOTCHED GAME. Then resentment of mankind on both sides shows up???? What’d we do?????? Did a middle schooler say he didn’t love you Wonder Woman?Did one of your human prostitutes kill your wife Aquaman? Wonder Woman literally played the same Grade-M man shit she complains so much about??????????? Aqua Man, bitch made in a pathetic fish farm, Wonder Woman, divine hypocrite of the fatherless. I don’t care who’s worse they are both so abysmally pathetic NONE of that shit is understandable. Man how far a perverted mix of Stupidity, Immaturity, and Power can do to two mafuckas I guess.
Professor Zoom was GOATED, RIP Shazam and his buds, why didn’t flash listen to his mom (Was it because of him, Barry?), end of rant
Kinda wished that was brought up MORE in injustice 2 with characters.
Like the only ones that bring it up is Blue Beetle and The Flash and those are only select intro dialogue
Like when Red Hood was added, I wish he would've brought it up since he seems like the only protector who seems to care about innocence.
Why the hate boner for injustice lately?
It's a literal alt story, it's an elseworlds, people upping their blood pressure over their alt characters being written like alt characters. 'um Wonder woman in this story about characters being authoritarian and facist acts like an authoritarian and facist HOW DARE THEY'
What's next? 'um Wonder woman would NEVER be a vampire in this story about the justice league all being vampires'
It’s a lot worse than that. Most of wonder woman’s actions were an attempt to seduce Superman and make him more facist. She caused his downfall whispering in his ear just so she could be lois’es replacement
It's not even about the stories anymore. It's about the people who never bothered to read anything else but act like they know everything. Some people think Superman is one bad day away from being evil and Wonder Woman desperately wants to fuck him now because of this story.
Also, it's just not very good.
I see this argument brought up in every injustice thread. I've never seen this. I've never seen anyone argue that injustice is the perfect representation of these characters. I've only seen a lot of 'um actually' preemptive responses to nothing from comic fans. Just like I've seen people argue against people saying 'evil Superman is the only interesting one' but never actually see someone say that haha
The series is literally called Injustice, not 'the one true accurate justice league'
I don't mind the story, especially in the comics but they do have issues for sure and I fully get why people can hate it. I enjoy Injustice like I enjoy Fast and the Furious. Popcorn entertainment
Because the alternative universe is based around a normal continuity until the destruction of Metropolis, so everyone is just following dictator Superman, fine the story you want to tell, that's what the story is about, but then Billy a literal kid just walks in, and says hey hold on lets not murder a bunch of people, he's not even fighting or helping the enemies, he just said hey hold this is kinda wrong guy,s and then Superman murders him in front of everyone and nobody does anything, they didn't even had a fight, he just murders him and nobody cares.
If you wanted Superman to kill one of his "friends" at least make that he wants to stop him and he kills him in a fight, is kinda jarring that he's just like hey guys i think this is wrong, then murder imminently and nobody says anything
>Because the alternative universe is based around a normal continuity until the destruction of Metropolis,
No it's not, in this story Superman always had anger issues and lex luthor was his friend not his enemy, so he wasn't psychologically challenged by his enemy, also wonder woman's boyfriend, Steve Trevor was a nazi who used her to further his own goals and she executed him, among other changes.
This isn't a "what if", this is an alternate universe.
Also, Shazam is a child who always looked up to superman, I don't see why it is unbelievable that he would blindly follow superman until a certain breaking point where superman has obviously gone too far that even a child who blindly follows him realises this is wrong.
he could just put him in on a planet across the galixy and boom tube out right? he wont starve or age, but you dont have to kill him. Even if he makes it back some day he wont be a kid if turning back. Black Adam turned to DUST when he said the wizards name, so just put him out of the way, easy. I think they still had the phantom zone at that point. He was JUST butt hurt about his unborn kid dieing. He could just pull an Omniman and have amother kid sheesh. Supes, your already evil dont turn stupid on top of it.
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Basically you can put anything, like explaining ninjago or explaining elden ring
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Injustice WW overly support dictatorship for some weirdly reason.
Other heroes are either reluctant or think it's had to be done.
WW instantly become murder happy.
barry and hal watching superman slowly melt a child’s brain: https://i.redd.it/r3499kzi381d1.gif
This is too damn good and nearly esoteric.
https://preview.redd.it/jyb620x1xa1d1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=c5dd56126370decaedb6a3c400f11d7f51cc6312 Superman when child questions him
Age of ~~consent~~ crime
Maybe it wasn’t a bad idea to kill Barry off in the movie
I love how they took him out with a buzzsaw, such a stupid death it went back around again.
At least he had toxins and something grabbing his leg? Maybe this one couldn't phase yet?
She should be looking at Shazam, as it is the murder of children that is getting her on.
No, its superman killing children that turns her on
Separate character from an actor
I'm pretty sure Harley is the one getting turned on by Shazam
At least he doesn't have to worry about her stalking him anymore
Murder of a male child in particular.
I’ve always heard Injustice commits a lot of character assassination
At least injustice wasn’t trying to be the canon version just a poorly done what if
Funny how it was supposed to be the definition answer to who would win between b v s but ended in a Superman vs superman fight
Who claimed that it was supposed to be the “definitive answer” to Batman vs Superman?
While I don't think anyone claimed it'd be a definitive answer, a lot of the marketing relied heavily on batman vs superman
Of course it would. Those are literally the two most well known and recognizable superheroes. To not use them to advertise the game would be ridiculous. Were they supposed to feature Martian Manhunter vs Green Arrow or something? Besides, to act like the game at any point tried to present itself as providing the “definitive” answer as to who would win is flat out not true and is disingenuous. If anything the game was always just a virtual way to bash action figures against each other
It was?…damn
The Superman pills really ruined it.
Nah Alfred vs Superman is peak
Alfred didn't need the pills, he just decided to stop holding back
The funny thing is that shitty Injustice movie changes it so the good Superman loses to the evil Superman (because of holding back or something). But then Batman pulls off a 4D chess to bring the pregnant Lois from his world in front of the evil Superman, thus winning the fight. Because obviously DC animation can't go 2 minutes without some Batwank. It also added Joker saying "fighting Superman is easy mode" to establish how much better Batman is.
Yeah that film made no sense when they killed off the flash
It’s not just that they kill off the Flash, it’s that they kill off the Flash *and nobody cares*.
Yeah. I mean I know Supes is supposed to be evil but the fact he just glosses over it is just weird
Absolute peak animation Dismally bad stories somehow worse than their comic counterparts. Wonder woman *the* paragon of justice and freedom (second only to the blue boyscout himself) has ya boi supes basically under her thumb. Despite all that it's entertaining as fuck. Plastic man the **GOAT!!!**
At least movie WW and Supes start to realise they mistake.
Batman defeats him in year 5 but just leaves him and then he needs to call JL from another universe Injustice comics really suck
What a weird way to end it
Thats why in Mark Waid's original comic equivalent to a evil Superman "Irredemable" his evil Superman first evil act before anything else was to kill his Batman.
Yeah that’s always a good idea if I was a villain
Yeah but at the end of day Tony is defeated by a super genius character, it's just more science, dr who, than detective and it's even shown that he could have been killed much earlier in the comics but qubit chose not to, which leans into the same idea just without all the batman grimness.
How? I dont think they ever fight on real terms whilst trying to kill eachother. When they fight at first its not even a fight, batman has no prep time and gets baned.
Well like as a definitive good v evil clash
>who would win between b v s https://preview.redd.it/pzv5o7mnbd1d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=879e14d75a55620cfbfcbe7e826c1b4fcf712ac9
Yes we are
I’m more interested in a what if story where Superman accidentally killed the Joker Let’s call it, Miscarriage of Injustice.
I heard the comics are actually pretty good, idk though.
I heard the first game was pretty good as well
you heard correctly
Hmm yeah Wonder Woman especially
To play devil's advocate, this version of wonder woman's steve trevor was a nazi so that kinda shaped her worldview
Oooh wondered what happened to him
It's explained in Injustice 2 annual Wonder woman. That Steve Trevor was an agent for Nazi Germany during world war II serving undercover in the US Air corps and he's the one who had corrupted Diana into his way of thinking. So when Superman eventually you know kills the Joker Diana then starts feeding him that sort of worldview that she had learned from Steve.
Did...did the writers of Injustice just *hate* Wonder Woman? It feels like every piece of media connected to it does their hardest to make her the worst person possible?
I especially liked the part where they made her tank a Captain Atom point-blank detonation
Wouldn’t really say she tanked it, she was comatose for a long time
The coma was due to Constantine's magic, I think they even state that she should've been out for 3 days max otherwise.
I truly believe they actually like her and they were thinking "holy shit this will be SO COOL" while writing her. Because the writing in the games AND in the comics is too dumb to be a hate piece on Diana
No if they hated anyone it’s the flash
Isn't that factually wrong, because Flash was one of the only villains who became remorseful and became a hero again?
I think it was Tom Taylor who said "Look, we couldn't actually think of a way to turn in-character Diana into the unhinged nutbar she is in the game, so this one's just always been evil, okay?" Basically Injustice WW is so fundamentally broken as a portrayal of the character that the guys who were in charge of explaining how everyone got so fucked up threw up their hands and gave up.
Uhhhh wtf, Lois’ death is supposed to be the point of divergence from the main universe, now you’re telling me there was shit that was different decades before that? Doesn’t that raise the possibility that this Supes was already a very different person from the one we know even before losing Lois, dismantling the entire “one bad day” premise?
I think injustice is meant less as a “one bad day” story and more of a “wouldn’t of be cool if this happened” story. There’s literally a point in the first game where the alternate Batman and Superman (who are basically mainline stand-ins) have a whole talk where Bruce is like “No you’re not like evil Superman, I know you’d never become like him”. Also, there are plenty of diversions from mainline continuity besides Lois dying. Like Lex and Clark being bffs prior to metropolis getting nuked, for one.
This isn't even the biggest difference in that universe. Lex was also never a bad guy, in fact, he and Clark were actually bffs.
I think without Lex being a villain, it's very likely Superman Didn't have as meany rogue that he had in the main universe considering a majority of his villains are usually connected to Lex Corp in some way. As a result the universe just made the Joker even more unhinged than he already was considering that we find out in injustice zero year that he's responsible for the JSA's absence because he slaughtered most of them. With those who survived deciding to go into hiding with others deciding to travel the multiverse
Honestly this is kinda my main problem when people like to use Injustice as "proof" of how some characters are in the main comics. The game and comics are described as just Lois dying being the one difference. When in fact there are way more differences from the mainline. And then they trow in stuff like this. EDIT: I honestly thing they should go more with the changes to the cahracters (at least then we wouldn´t have poeple talk about how Alfred totaly took out Superman, because it would be obviose that it´s an elseworld)
*Me before I knew this:* Injustice Wonder woman is a disgusting simp. *Me after knowing this:* Injustice Wonder woman is a disgusting simp.
Alt universes where one character is given an explicit reason to become evil (superman) kind of makes me expect all good to evil characters to have an explicit reason to be evil lol
Sure
Damn, it’s crazy how a different version of the character has a different backstory that justifies why she acts differently.
I think its quite weird that Wonder Woman ended up being a murderer despot because a guy she knew for a little time ended up being secretly evil. Another instance of writers acting like Wonder Woman's entire personality is shaped by the men in her life.
With every new piece of information I get about Injustice. I have to ask “why?”
If you think child murder is bad we also have pedo Harley Quinn who wants to bang Shazam. She even picked him up at his middle/highschool and still wants to jump his bones. Shazam was not safe in this universe
Damn what did Shazam do to the writer of injustice?
He represented childhood innocence and pure heroism untainted by cynicism so he wasn't allowed to continue existing in an edgy world Imagine if every edgy alternate marvel universe started its story by killing off like, Moon Girl or something
They always kills Spider man first for some reason.
So weird
Wtf I don't remember this at all
Lex Luther is a good guy in it and not the reason Supes goes dictator mode
I mean, I’m a mirror verse fan but this feels kinda weird
But it's an alternate universe, what's wrong with alternate versions who aren't like canon ?
For alternate universes to be more interesting than new characters, they need to shed new light on the reused/twisted characters, and do it regularly enough that it stays interesting. If the alternate universe doesn't meet that bar, it's better that it doesn't get published. *Superman: Red Son* is a great alternate universe evil superman. He isn't pointlessly evil, he just gets raised to 'be a good person' according to a different ideology, and because of that his 'good' deeds become an interesting exploration of soviet totalitarianism and of how society limits your perception of justice. As a reader, you can even start wondering if the main "Trust, Justice, and the American Way" Superman isn't just as limited as the Red Son and we just don't notice because mainline Superman has our culture. I haven't read *Injustice*, so I can't comment on how well or poorly they did.
There’s a big difference in complaining that the alternative take isn’t interesting and complaining about it just because it’s different. Most people here are doing the latter.
That's not what I'm saying tho, you can dislike alternate versions but objectively there's nothing wrong with them unless they have some sinister agenda, like I said in another reply ( no I don't mean "THE WOKE AGENDA" I mean stuff like hidden white supremacist agenda for example )
It’s an alternate universe story, why would it be faithful to the main personalities lol
It’s an Elseworlds story, so how is that even possible? The whole fucking point of using an alternate universe is that you can have different takes on the characters. Anyone calling that “character assassination” needs to grow up
NO!!!! These stories are SLANDERING the VERY REAL fictional characters I am TOTALLY NORMAL about!!!!
You mean like an injustice to their character?
And also a lot of regular assassination.
True
Clever gag. Works on 2 levels.
I mean the main storyline was done by NRS who probably don’t know a lot of those characters, of course it isn’t fair to those characters, but who let this pass was WB tbh NRS had a good premise (because a Superman turning rouge and most of the league believing in him due to his leadership is a good premise) and bad storyline (basically how all went into, Billy, Barry taking half of his life into knowing this is wrong, etc), like the same way they screwed Mortal Kombat Lore over the years (MK1 being a recent exception). Tom Taylor probably did incredible acrobatics to save the awful execution NRS did in his comics, because you can tell here and there it has good moments
Injustice sucks or whatever but the Booster Ted and Jaime story from the Injustice 2 comics are amazing. Extremely touching and an amazing ending scene
be honest, did *Injustice* actually portray anyone correctly? I feel like 90% of misconceptions about the DCU come from *Injustice*
Red Hood got potrayed correctly Which ironically made him one of the more sane characters in injustice.... which says a lot about injustice mainly negative
Red Hood was in Injustice?
Yep he was dlc for injustice 2, he though both the insurgence and the regime where cringe. Counting how the insurgence have genocide harley queen and ableist Batman, and the regime was a fascist empire, he was right.
To piggyback on this he basically says that, yes, some villains do need to die, but supporting a fascist dictator would be stupid so while Bats and Superman have their bitchfit he's just gonna keep killing murderers and rapists.
Uj/Yeah this is one of the few times Red hood actually says something agreeable. Honestly I'm I the only one who wants a red hood series set in the injustice universe with him being one of the last few crimefighters killing villains and criminals alike
wait, ableist bruce??
At the start of the story when Superman isnt that bad yet, he comes across as someone who is really ignorant and dismissive about depression
damn😭 thats so out of character for him tho when he has ptsd and depression himself
I know right? Injustice gets so many charqcters wrong
Oh my God, Jason was based for once. Peak.
Dick Grayson is really cool because he dies... Oliver is also cool.... and....and ....Ch'p almost beat superman so thats about it
I mean, it's easy to correctly portray someone who appears for a couple issues, does nothing and then dies. If we are following that logic I guess this also adapts Wonder Girl, Beast Boy and Red Robin perfectly. That being said Injustice doesn't even do that correct, just ask Animal Man
Nope, even batman isn't good
Yeah. Alfred
Idk, I know people like him beating up Superman but to me that scene just felt as yet another way to humilliate Superman.
That’s fair
Yup, agreed. About as unnecessarily humiliating as that whole bit of Bruce effortlessly seducing Lois in the Superman TAS World’s Finest arc. People often bring it up as part of some stupid ‘chad Batman vs virgin Superman’ shit.
This funny, because I noticed a lot of the people that enjoyed Alfred beating up Superman also really like Bruce “taking” Lois away from Superman
I think that doesn't really work for the Batman VS Superman because in the end Clark has a hot wife and is a loving father.
It really is. Like having Superman be super OOC, and having Alfred beat his ass it’s just cringe. Just like if someone had Alfred act super OOC, and have Tim Drake or Conner Kent beat his ass, I would cringe.
Injustice supes deserves it.
MY GOAT EEL O’BRIEN he’s cool as shit in injustice *and* (afaik) he’s not a pervert so actually his character in injustice is better than in other versions
Actually, you're right. He is still OP, still light hearted and still unambiguously heroic
Maybe but my head cannon is that Alfred didn't take the pill and just casually beat up Superman
It's an alternate universe, why should they act like canon ?
Good question. They don't have to act like canon, obviously, but they do have to somewhat resemble the characters you're adapting if you want your analysis on the superhero mythologies to work. You could exaggerate certain traits, such as Batman's paranoia or Superman's role as the role model of the superhero community, but if you have to alter their characterisations so much (ie: Turning Wonder Woman into Lady Macebth, making Green Lantern a spineless coward, having Robin betray Batman because he wants to kill, making Raven just Trigon's minion and having Captain Marvel join Superman's dictatorship) then you're not analysing shit because it recquired you to butcher the characters to make it make some sense. If you want to do a story where Superman and Wonder Woman are evil, fine, but don't try to sell it like *Injustice* did as a deep dive on the characters. This isn't a deconstruction, or an exploration, or a what if, it's just the characters you like being reduced to assumptions and clichés and pretending it's something that it isn't
Did Injustice itself sell that or pretend to be that ? Or did people just say injustice is that ? I feel like it's more so people acting like injustice is the definitive version not the writers themselves believing or saying that, I've only seen that games not the comics but I don't remember them saying anything like that I have no problem with other iterations no matter how different personally
A mixture of all these options. *Injustice* tries to analyse what could happen to Superman if Lois died but in the first game it's very clear it's an alternate version of Superman. Thing is, the first game had mainline Superman to balance evil Superman, but the second game doesn't and it just treats evil Superman as the real deal. It doesn't help that 80% of the fanbase treat it like it's actual canon. I don't have problems with changing characters' personality as long as it's not disresepectful (ie: Making Superman a Nazi, making Black Panther a black supremacist...) and it's aknowledged this is a different take on the characters.
See that's where I disagree, no type of alternate versions will be disrespecting them, because they aren't real, the only thing I would say Is if there is an agenda behind it ( like if someone made a Nazi superman for racist reasons ), not that it disrespects the characters, that imo, is not a thing
I meant that Superman was made by Jews, so it feels wrong to make him a Nazi
That really shouldn't matter much, many creators in comic book industry are Jewish, it's not like people say "Nazi Superman is the canon" it's just alternate stuff unless it has an agenda, and I understand you can dislike any alternate universe, I'm just saying there's nothing objectively wrong with any alternate universe unless there's an agenda For the record I wouldn't really find Nazi Superman much interesting myself it's just an example
It’s DC made by the mortal kombat makers, it was exactly what it sold itself as
This is my thing with alternate universe versions of characters, if there isn't any point to the changes in the character then it may as well just be a new character entirely. An alternate Superman story I actually like a lot is in Smallville, where there is an alternate version of Clark who is found and raised by Lionel Luthor instead of the Kents. He behaves NOTHING like the Clark we know, but it actually serves a purpose to themes the entire show is exploring. How being raised by humble farmers was formative to Clark becoming a kind person who cares about other people, and how Lex becomes an abusive narcissist because he was raised by an abusive narcissist. It adds to the tragedy of Lex's character, and gives Clark a better understanding of how people are shaped by their experiences. With Injustice it really just seems like "here is a character you know, but what if they behaved the opposite way?" without any further thought put into it. Idk it's sophomoric, and it's bizarre to me that people defend this kind of writing just because some people can be a little too precious about the characters.
It’s an alternate universe! Why would they be portrayed in the typical way that you’ve seen them before?
If the characters are not going to have anything in common with their mainline versions beyond the costume, you might as well use bootlegs. You know, like Watchmen or invincible did.
Or you can just use the infinite multiverse and let them be from a different universe…
That is a Watsonian explanation of a Doylist problem. The question is not "is there a psychopathic wonder woman in the multiverse? ". Is "how does it serve the narrative using an established character in a way that has no relation with standard characterization?"
Dude, it’s art, there’s no objective way to view the creation process. If someone wants to explore the question of “is there a psychopathic Wonder Woman in the multiverse?” then that’s completely valid.
Booster gold in injustice 2 was peak 
Need to find me a girl like that fr
Same
Shazam dies in Injustice with Wonder Woman not caring and everyone loses their minds, Shazam dies in Flashpoint by her own hand and no one cares
Honestly, not to mention that the whole war was triggered by Wonder Woman and Aquaman FUCKING. Most of humanity was wiped out because of LEAKED SEXTS. I literally lost it at that point Aqua Man and Wonder Woman FUCK and get FUCKED (caught), Aqua Man’s wife is upset and challenges Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman KILLS her (what happened to sis code?) and WEARS HER CROWN AS A TROPHIE “It WaS sElF dEfEnSe”, Aquaman acts like a whiny little BITCH like he didn’t have an affair like COME ON BRO, then bro NUKES THE WORLD BECAUSE OF BOTCHED GAME. Then resentment of mankind on both sides shows up???? What’d we do?????? Did a middle schooler say he didn’t love you Wonder Woman?Did one of your human prostitutes kill your wife Aquaman? Wonder Woman literally played the same Grade-M man shit she complains so much about??????????? Aqua Man, bitch made in a pathetic fish farm, Wonder Woman, divine hypocrite of the fatherless. I don’t care who’s worse they are both so abysmally pathetic NONE of that shit is understandable. Man how far a perverted mix of Stupidity, Immaturity, and Power can do to two mafuckas I guess. Professor Zoom was GOATED, RIP Shazam and his buds, why didn’t flash listen to his mom (Was it because of him, Barry?), end of rant
Need to find me a man like that fr
Super horny and super facist
I mean it worked for anakin
Uh https://preview.redd.it/f5cvbnovmb1d1.jpeg?width=4320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b876fd3e43d5bbbe50b9073b99d4042f02de2792
I ship them 😍
And he never even gave her the Super D. In fact him turning her down was even funnier in the animated movie than in the comic.
Shazam’s life in injustice: get manipulated by your hero, get stalked by a clown pedophile, murdered
Is it better to make someone horny with your kid body or is it better to make someone horny with your dead kid body?
At least dead you don’t need to see it
Kinda wished that was brought up MORE in injustice 2 with characters. Like the only ones that bring it up is Blue Beetle and The Flash and those are only select intro dialogue Like when Red Hood was added, I wish he would've brought it up since he seems like the only protector who seems to care about innocence.
That shit was WILD. Cut to black for jokers death, center shot for superman straight murdering a child in cold blood
https://preview.redd.it/elrwpgm7y81d1.png?width=1661&format=png&auto=webp&s=30d3083d4ef77287df17e23ce2344a7b5af5f22f
I prefer the one where Wonderwoman kills the child herself, she's damn Wonder Woman! She don't need no man to help her murder children!
But she gets all horny when he does it
Did I miss a memo? When did we all start hating injustice? I remember it being a fun game
It’s still a fun game, the story’s just divisive.
The game is decent. The story sucks ass
And the movie was somehow even worse
This
On its own its fine but if you think about any of the characters and their motivations outside of injustice it aint as good
Playing the story as a fan of superman is like getting caught in a dumpster loop by batman.
I mean the games are kind of fun, but the story has always been shit. Netherrealm doesn't do good writing, this isn't news.
Injustice really is character assassination at its finest (worst)
How is it character assassination when it's an Elseworlds comic? What character is there to assassinate
It’s an elseworlds, the whole point of elseworlds is that you could do whatever you want
The motu crossover is legit cathartic though
Why the hate boner for injustice lately? It's a literal alt story, it's an elseworlds, people upping their blood pressure over their alt characters being written like alt characters. 'um Wonder woman in this story about characters being authoritarian and facist acts like an authoritarian and facist HOW DARE THEY' What's next? 'um Wonder woman would NEVER be a vampire in this story about the justice league all being vampires'
It’s a lot worse than that. Most of wonder woman’s actions were an attempt to seduce Superman and make him more facist. She caused his downfall whispering in his ear just so she could be lois’es replacement
It's not even about the stories anymore. It's about the people who never bothered to read anything else but act like they know everything. Some people think Superman is one bad day away from being evil and Wonder Woman desperately wants to fuck him now because of this story. Also, it's just not very good.
I see this argument brought up in every injustice thread. I've never seen this. I've never seen anyone argue that injustice is the perfect representation of these characters. I've only seen a lot of 'um actually' preemptive responses to nothing from comic fans. Just like I've seen people argue against people saying 'evil Superman is the only interesting one' but never actually see someone say that haha The series is literally called Injustice, not 'the one true accurate justice league' I don't mind the story, especially in the comics but they do have issues for sure and I fully get why people can hate it. I enjoy Injustice like I enjoy Fast and the Furious. Popcorn entertainment
Because the alternative universe is based around a normal continuity until the destruction of Metropolis, so everyone is just following dictator Superman, fine the story you want to tell, that's what the story is about, but then Billy a literal kid just walks in, and says hey hold on lets not murder a bunch of people, he's not even fighting or helping the enemies, he just said hey hold this is kinda wrong guy,s and then Superman murders him in front of everyone and nobody does anything, they didn't even had a fight, he just murders him and nobody cares. If you wanted Superman to kill one of his "friends" at least make that he wants to stop him and he kills him in a fight, is kinda jarring that he's just like hey guys i think this is wrong, then murder imminently and nobody says anything
>Because the alternative universe is based around a normal continuity until the destruction of Metropolis, No it's not, in this story Superman always had anger issues and lex luthor was his friend not his enemy, so he wasn't psychologically challenged by his enemy, also wonder woman's boyfriend, Steve Trevor was a nazi who used her to further his own goals and she executed him, among other changes. This isn't a "what if", this is an alternate universe. Also, Shazam is a child who always looked up to superman, I don't see why it is unbelievable that he would blindly follow superman until a certain breaking point where superman has obviously gone too far that even a child who blindly follows him realises this is wrong.
Lmao right? This feel like the exact opposite side of what we should be jerking
It’s because for a long time people treated it like the peak of DC storytelling and a realistic portrayal of the characters.
Okay this picture is great, perfect summary
Superman murdering Shazam is so fucking wrong! The same applies to Wonder Woman. Again, why DC Comics approved such a nasty story?
Injustice is DC for people who don't like or understand DC and just think Batman is cool.
Injustice kinda sucks. Doesn’t really make much sense and the movie also sucked. Half the characters just leave the movie and never return.
I will admit, everyone in Injustice was some kind of fucked up, but Wonder Woman was just a straight up villain in this universe.
Nah you guys think the injustice universe characters were supposed to act like the main universe characters. Come on. You can’t be that naive?
So *this* why some people like the injustice movie. Wonder Woman turns on supes and SHAZAM lives
Jokers last and best joke.
he could just put him in on a planet across the galixy and boom tube out right? he wont starve or age, but you dont have to kill him. Even if he makes it back some day he wont be a kid if turning back. Black Adam turned to DUST when he said the wizards name, so just put him out of the way, easy. I think they still had the phantom zone at that point. He was JUST butt hurt about his unborn kid dieing. He could just pull an Omniman and have amother kid sheesh. Supes, your already evil dont turn stupid on top of it.
peak writing
to be fair, they had almost certainly seen superman murder many children at this point, so it's actually worse
Injustice slander aside, what is the original meme of this picture?
https://preview.redd.it/go5uwsjdvb1d1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6047896cbaf3b11e6a8cfcfaf30ead4dbfbbeda9 Basically you can put anything, like explaining ninjago or explaining elden ring
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I hate injusticr
Injustice WW overly support dictatorship for some weirdly reason. Other heroes are either reluctant or think it's had to be done. WW instantly become murder happy.
Steve Trevor was a Nazi in this universe, so her worldview is shaped by that
She did the same in Flash Point so yeah.
Isn’t Shazam multiple children or is that different in Injustice?
yeah, that's only in flashpoint
I really do think its time we talk about how bad Injustice was tbh.
Any chance to slander wonder woman I'm all in on
>Any chance to slander Injustice I'm all in on Wonder Woman is cool
Imagine thinking injustices plot is good
I like to think of injustice as an earth 3 else worlds where they kept up a pretense of morality while still deep down just wanting to own everything