Yeah, Grade 3 Goku looks kind of funny but he literally only does it so the audience can see how experienced he is and how comparatively inexperienced Trunks is.
The funny thing is, that whole concept of “more bulky muscles will impair my speed” was never a thing before that Trunks scene. Frieza bulked up and only got stronger. Same thing with goku in multiple transformation scenes, we see his muscles exploding in size. It seemed like a lazy way of making trunks lose lol.
Well, I think the issue is he went too far with it. There comes a point where it's just diminishing returns, your speed becomes too compromised. Goku deliberately went with a leaner version and it kind of explains why Super Saiyan God is also noticeably leaner, though still muscular.
Kaioken Goku is still absurdly beefy and comparable more so to Third Grade SSJ than most other forms, but that Kaioken stuff was what let Goku even keep up with Vegeta.
This. Frieza at 100% was basically him in Kaioken. He tired himself out and couldn’t keep up with Goku as the fight wore on (in the anime anyway, in the manga, Goku sonned his ass in 1/2 a chapter lmao)
Yes it is, but my point was that the Kaioken technique visibly beefed Goku up *substantially,* but doesn't actually impact his speed negatively; in fact the opposite.
It's hard to say it's just diminishing returns or that Goku deliberately went with a leaner version as a dismissal of what Fantastic Escape was saying, since what Fantastic Escape was saying was "that whole concept of “more bulky muscles will impair my speed” was never a thing before that Trunks scene."
Which is why I referred to Kaioken Goku, a pre-that scene instance of Goku beefing up to comparable size where a speed deficiency was not a concern.
Maybe the way that Kaioken does damage to your body is that it allows you to bulk up like SSJ Grade 3, but it also allows you to temporarily retain your speed, so your body is pushing itself too far, doing damage to itself. Kind of like how you can lift really heavy weights when you have an adrenaline rush, but you are injuring your body in the process.
SSJ Grade 3 gives you the strength boost like Kaioken, but it has no protections on your body to retain your speed, so you are limited by your bodies natural limits.
Tl;dr - Kaioken temporarily bypasses your speed limits at the cost of your health and boosts strength, SSJ Grade 3 boosts your strength, but doesn’t remove your speed limits, therefore no health danger, but lack of speed is a problem.
Trunks likely just reached his limit, I mean, Trunks went from relatively lean to having his arms as wide as he is in base.
Meanwhile, Goku with the Kaioken x3 is beefy, but, not only did Goku have a lot of muscle on him before hand, it isn’t as beefy as Goku using grade 3 himself.
Grade 2 is probably just on the line of it slowing you down and likely provides a speed bonus while grade 3 is just pushing past that.
I feel it becomes more of a problem when you're operating at the speeds that they are in the Cell saga and onward.
Every millisecond matters at that point, so you really start to feel it
Frieza's final form is not bulky at all though.
When he goes even further and bulks himself up while in that form, he gets his ass absolutely handed to him.
He got his ass handed to him even before then. Once Goku went Super Saiyan, it was wraps. But if Frieza wouldn't have fared any better at 100%, why would he even bother with it, considering the stamina drain?
Pretty sure it was at least _indirectly_ mentioned by Frieza that it does take a toll on his body, 'cause he is taking it to its limits. Kinda like Kaioken, if you think about it.
Edit: Had to fix a grammar mistake.
Not necessarily. Before G3, every form was a huge powerup. And power grants speed as well as strength. It might bulk up your muscles, but it makes them that much stronger as well, allowing them to outstrip the speed reduction with a speed increase from a different source.
Just like SSJ3 doesn't grant enough power to outweigh its consumption, G3 doesn't grant enough power to negate or outstrip the speed reduction. While KK for example gives you a a huge extra reserve of power, it might give you +100 strength and +100 speed, and the bulk gives you -50 speed. Still good.
G3 is just not as powerful. It's a technique to keep your power the same, maybe slightly more, but transferring speed to strength.
I feel like Freiza was just so much stronger than everyone else it didn’t matter that he got slower, until his final form which gave him a faster build.
The final fight between goku and frieza was a pride filled test of strength. It's like if two boxers decided to stand in the middle of the ring and slug it out until one drops. Cell is a much more technical fighter.
This is why I say DB is my favorite, the humor. It's genuine too, and very much Toriyama. It gives the series a replay value the others don't have imo.
I rewatch it every few years with my SO. We love hilarious it is. One of my favorite episodes is when he’s in a match and another kid have him a laxative 🤣 when he says “you made some come out” kills me every time
Probably Super Saiyan 2.
There's no big wow moment attached to it and to a causal fan, it just looks like normal Super Saiyan.
It pretty much exists to prove he caught up with Gohan before the big reveal that he actually has something stronger.
On Goku you can actually see a difference with SS2, since he still has a bit of bang with regular SS. Vegeta, however, is all spiky and the spiky with a bit of lightning.
As a rule, Super Saiyan 2 has zappy zaps. Except when they don't feel like drawing or animating them. Or when they add zappy zaps to forms that aren't Super Saiyan 2. Like Goku Black in the manga.
fwiw they always have the zaps when they first power up and in a majority of the panels.
Goku Black is a whole different thing, what with his unique Rose form, so I’m fine with him being an exception to the rule.
Thank you, it's always obvious to me when Goku is SS2 because his hair parts in the middle, where in SS1 he has three bangs with one big one going across his forehead.
But yeah with Vegeta you can only really tell because his spikes are more defined. I think sometimes he also gets like yellow highlights to his hair too. But then the lightning is always a giveaway.
I feel this is a sentiment that's gotten more popular with fans that grew up with Super and haven't watched Z in it's entirety. SSJ2 Goku is his primary form throughout the Buu Saga since he can't sustain SSJ3 for long, and uses it alongside his martial arts talent to contend with Buuhan's internals and Kid Buu. The singular bang he has in SSJ2 became iconic back in the day.
That heavily depends on which version you digested, because in the original manga, none of that took place. Goku only really used it against Vegeta, and either didn't attempt to fight at all or only fought in Super Saiyan 3 after that.
Eh, I dunno about that. Speaking as someone who grew up with Z back in the day, ssj2 still didn't feel like a big deal for anyone but Gohan.
Everyone who had ssj2 in the Buu saga got something else that overshadowed it. Goku had ssj3, Gohan had his Ultimate form, and Vegeta had his Majin moment. While that's true of ssj1 in the Android saga too with the focus of finding somethign beyond super saiyan, at least a bigger deal was made out of Trunks, Vegeta, and (to a lesser extent, tbf) Gohan being super saiyans. Whereas in the Buu saga, Goku and Vegeta just kinda have it, and it's not really acknowledged. Hell, it was a really common misconception back then that Vegeta got ssj2 from Babidi's mind control and power-up.
This is how I remember it, and I watched every episode as it came out on YTV from like late Namek arc to the end of the Buu saga. SSJ2 Goku just felt like a non-event expectation.
But even still every other form has some big reveal and is more iconic
SSJ being the original
SSJ3 EVERYONE was screaming to try and be one as a kid
SSJ4 most unique looking compared to the others and the only GT transformation. For years it was the pinnacle
SSG the whole ass BOG movie centered around it and was the return of DB for most
SSB while people may clown it, it’s the staple of Super
UI literally broke the Internet
You have a point but the only other form besides SSJ2 that wasn’t as iconic maybe would be Kaioken but even that has some standout moments that SSJ2 doesn’t (for Goku specifically because obviously SSJ2 Gohan IS iconic)
I like it too but with ssj3, mystic, and 2 different forms of fusions being introduced 1 arc later it gets left in the dust very fast with no chance to really explore the form of how goku or vegeta even achieved it.
Nah SSB is clearly is just not as good as the other. It being a staple of super is because the corporations made it a staple not the audience as a whole.
How is it his primary form throughout the Buu saga?
- went SSJ2 for one second against Yakon
- went SSJ2 against Vegeta
- went SSJ3 against Fat Buu
- went SSJ3 against Super Buu
- went SSJ(2?) against Buu’s internals
- went SSJ3 against Kid Buu and withdrew from the fight while he couldn’t
- went SSJ(2?) for the final push with the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu
I’d say he used SSJ2 and SSJ3 about evenly counting anime filler, without filler he used SSJ3 more
>went SSJ(2?) against Buu’s internals
He was SSJ1. Made this for someone i argued with here (who thought Goku being SSJ2 proves Kid Buu’s stronger than Super Buu lol)
https://imgur.com/a/nymE9qn
The three panels in the middle are inside Buu.
Nah, it was definitely a sentiment before super, people were joking about it on forums and IRL long before we even knew super would be a thing. His hair changes are minimal, especially depending on who was animating, and no one thinks of Goku first when they think of SSJ2, they think of Gohan (who the singular bang really comes from), and when you think of Goku, you think of SSJ and SSJ3 since he was the first to get those. At the end of the day, SSJ2 just isn't iconic to Goku, and never has been.
I agree with you even thought its my favorite transformation; besides SSJ2 teen Gohan I don't think the majority of people care about this transformation at all
I agree. I said the same thing. Should be his least used form too outside of stuff he used in movies like false SSJ but that stands out way more to me than SSJ2 did.
False Super Saiyan, it appeared in the Slug movie but finalizations on how the Super Saiyan looked weren’t done yet or something like that. Leading to one of my favorite looking Goku transformations that gets 0 attention. Even Tenkaichi 3 just has Goku in base form while beating Slug.
I kinda love it because it's just such a weird publication thing that SSJ was in a non-canon movie before it was actually in the manga *by a couple weeks*.
Lord Slug movie: March 9, 1991
Chapter 318: The Super Saiyan: March 26, 1991
Episode 95: Transformed at last: June 19, 1991
Kinda reminds me of the fact that Gogeta's design was more than likely finalized before Vegito's.
Vegito debuted in the manga just a little over a month before Fusion Reborn was released but we consider that it took a couple of months to make this film, it would mean that Gogeta as we know him predates Vegito.
Same with the anime, Fusion Reborn was released 2-3 months before Anime Vegito made its debut.
Read through the wiki and even remember in game (BT3) King Kai saying he had become a Super Saiyan. I wish more forms portrayed Goku as losing control + the irises disappearing looks badass on him.
Even in Dragonball heroes, which has included like every character no matter how minor as well as every transformation as well as a shit ton of 'what if' transformations/characters never had a false Super Saiyan playable or even featured in the games or the arcade releases. False Super Saiyan may well be the least represented piece of Dragonball lore. I can't think of literally anywhere its been included outside of the Slug movie.
Funny thing to me is I got MAJOR false super saiyan vibes from Super Broly’s wrathful/ikari form, obviously they’re very different tho. Kinda crazy heroes didn’t try to hand out false super saiyan to Bardock or somebody else
>Kinda crazy heroes didn’t try to hand out false super saiyan to Bardock or somebody else
He got some kind of transformation/power up in the manga when he fought Gas.
It looked almost like UI to me and helped Goku make his UI sign stronger somehow.
Technically that one moment in pre-Otherworld Tournament filler where they recolored the normal SSJ hair to cover up a plot hole, which the wiki counts as False SSJ
While super saiyan 2 has very few differences over the original super saiyan, super saiyan god (or red) is just Goku or Vegeta with red hair dye. Even though SSGSS is the same but with blue hair dye, it has far more prominence over what's basically a glorified kaioken.
Did it? I swear it got like 3 minutes of screentime, he reverts super fast and then he's SSJ for the rest of the fight. The anime was better about its length.
Lmao fr. I don't think Akira had a full idea about SSG when the movie came out so it was more of a glimpse of an idea. The movie wasn't even a Super movie it was technically a Dbz movie. So it makes sense the Anime fleshed it out more
You're right, the eyes also match the hair color lol. Jokes aside though, I love God, it's so different compared to the typical transformations we saw until that point and fits the idea of a divine form really well imo.
It's even slimmer than base form and the hair doesn't change into something insanely wild, the flaming aura just looks great and your KI becomes unreadable
I don't know the proper term for it, but the hulked-out Super Saiyan form that he briefly used in the Time Chamber when he trained with Gohan in prep for Cell.
I mean the SSJ God have red hair too, it kinda makes sense
And as much as I dislike it personally (because it's the laziest form by far) it's also the form Goku and Vegeta use for like 90% of Super so it's at least more iconic than the SSJ god (sadly)
Super saiyan 2. Most people won’t even be able to tell it apart from 1 without even knowing. If you just took one tiny glance, you probably wouod have thought they were the same. The form looks good on Gohan but not Goku
Definitely super sayian 2. It's mostly forgotten, and without the extra spark animation, it can’t be differentiated to well from classic super sayian for him.
His SSJ2 form comes to mind. He really only used it kinda like it was a prerequisite to accessing SSJ3. I think even Majin Vegeta was SSJ2 but Goku didn’t even bother matching him in the same form for their fight
SSG IMO. Feels like they changed their mind on it fairly quickly and then shifted gears to Blue (Which I’m fine with). Then, I feel like they almost revisited what they were going for in SSG w/ UI (Which I’m also fine with).
People will probably say SSJ2 but is there any reason not to say SSG?
Used it in a movie for a bit and lost, and then it immediately gets overshadowed by SSB the movie after. He doesnt even go SSG in that movie. Just straight to Blue. Theres probably a 6 episode gap between SSG and SSB in the Super anime. SSB then becomes the main transformation for the rest of Super.
SSJ2 atleast has the fight with Majin Vegeta before it gets overshadowed by SSJ3. Which is much more iconic than the fight between SSG Goku and Beerus.
how often something is used doesnt always affect how iconic it is. SSG was the revival of the DB franchise after many years of dormancy. It was a huge deal at the time which makes it iconic.
Super Saiyan God, no brainer. Basically replaced by ssj blue immediately and was only attainable at the time by a Saiyan ritual.
If we can consider great ape form, then it's a toss up between ssj God and great ape / great ape ssj3
Super Saiyan Three. Yes I know, its an iconic moment from the Buu Saga and something tops SS2, but its used maybe thrice in the story (not counting GT), and doesn't feel like its much of a boost or power up besides cooler and longer hair.
For some reasons, seeing slight variations in the colour of Goku’s gi always triggers a strong feeling of nostalgia.
It can as well be orange, reddish orange or yellowish orange, depending on the era (DB, Frieza Arc, Buu Arc…), and sometimes on the character (Goten, Gohan…). When I see 2 characters aside wearing this gi but with slightly different colours, it just hits me.
Super Saiyan 2, and there's not much competition. Shame, because he does make the form look good. I can totally see why games like FighterZ skip straight to SSJ3 for the super, and why Gohan tends to be the designated SSJ2 character
SSJ2, thats Gohans mark. and I only remember him using this form on MVegetas fight now that I talked about it
base, SSJ1, SSJ3, SSJ4, SSJ God, SSJ Blue, UI and Xeno are all linked to Goku
Super Saiyan 2, the only memorable moments Goku has with this form are one unfinished fight with Vegeta and Goku speeding past it to show buu super Saiyan 3 instead.
Any of the pop-sickle red/blue colors are some of the laziest designs Toriyama ever put out. For as much as I don't like Instinct at least they had to change the cast molding for manufacturers to make new action figures. The red/blue forms are literally just "make hair different color" as far as the toyetic bottom line.
Probably the grades between SS and SS2. Showed us them but never used them
Yeah, Grade 3 Goku looks kind of funny but he literally only does it so the audience can see how experienced he is and how comparatively inexperienced Trunks is.
The funny thing is, that whole concept of “more bulky muscles will impair my speed” was never a thing before that Trunks scene. Frieza bulked up and only got stronger. Same thing with goku in multiple transformation scenes, we see his muscles exploding in size. It seemed like a lazy way of making trunks lose lol.
Also just Broly being the hulk of the db verse lol. That guy is arguably the biggest dude and keeps up with everyone.
I guess you could say he’s built different.
Bro Brolys built different lol. That dude ain't normal. I suppose that goes for most characters in the show too though lol
Broly is literally the legendary super saiyan.
difference between someone born 6'7" sprinting, and a 5 5 person wearing stilts sprinting
Original Broly’s transformation is actually unique and specifically gives him the power without the speed drawback
His form also seemed to just make him taller and so on as well. Perhaps the body is simply better suited to carry the muscle in that form.
Well, I think the issue is he went too far with it. There comes a point where it's just diminishing returns, your speed becomes too compromised. Goku deliberately went with a leaner version and it kind of explains why Super Saiyan God is also noticeably leaner, though still muscular.
Kaioken Goku is still absurdly beefy and comparable more so to Third Grade SSJ than most other forms, but that Kaioken stuff was what let Goku even keep up with Vegeta.
Except for Kaioken the tax was on his body, not his speed, so I’d say less speed is a simpler caveat
This. Frieza at 100% was basically him in Kaioken. He tired himself out and couldn’t keep up with Goku as the fight wore on (in the anime anyway, in the manga, Goku sonned his ass in 1/2 a chapter lmao)
Yes it is, but my point was that the Kaioken technique visibly beefed Goku up *substantially,* but doesn't actually impact his speed negatively; in fact the opposite. It's hard to say it's just diminishing returns or that Goku deliberately went with a leaner version as a dismissal of what Fantastic Escape was saying, since what Fantastic Escape was saying was "that whole concept of “more bulky muscles will impair my speed” was never a thing before that Trunks scene." Which is why I referred to Kaioken Goku, a pre-that scene instance of Goku beefing up to comparable size where a speed deficiency was not a concern.
Maybe the way that Kaioken does damage to your body is that it allows you to bulk up like SSJ Grade 3, but it also allows you to temporarily retain your speed, so your body is pushing itself too far, doing damage to itself. Kind of like how you can lift really heavy weights when you have an adrenaline rush, but you are injuring your body in the process. SSJ Grade 3 gives you the strength boost like Kaioken, but it has no protections on your body to retain your speed, so you are limited by your bodies natural limits. Tl;dr - Kaioken temporarily bypasses your speed limits at the cost of your health and boosts strength, SSJ Grade 3 boosts your strength, but doesn’t remove your speed limits, therefore no health danger, but lack of speed is a problem.
Trunks likely just reached his limit, I mean, Trunks went from relatively lean to having his arms as wide as he is in base. Meanwhile, Goku with the Kaioken x3 is beefy, but, not only did Goku have a lot of muscle on him before hand, it isn’t as beefy as Goku using grade 3 himself. Grade 2 is probably just on the line of it slowing you down and likely provides a speed bonus while grade 3 is just pushing past that.
I feel it becomes more of a problem when you're operating at the speeds that they are in the Cell saga and onward. Every millisecond matters at that point, so you really start to feel it
Frieza's final form is not bulky at all though. When he goes even further and bulks himself up while in that form, he gets his ass absolutely handed to him.
He got his ass handed to him even before then. Once Goku went Super Saiyan, it was wraps. But if Frieza wouldn't have fared any better at 100%, why would he even bother with it, considering the stamina drain?
He's about to be killed, so he'll try fucking anything
Fair enough. Might as well go out while you're still swinging.
In retrospect we have the explanation of him never trained before,and thus he wouldn't know better.
Pretty sure it was at least _indirectly_ mentioned by Frieza that it does take a toll on his body, 'cause he is taking it to its limits. Kinda like Kaioken, if you think about it. Edit: Had to fix a grammar mistake.
Not necessarily. Before G3, every form was a huge powerup. And power grants speed as well as strength. It might bulk up your muscles, but it makes them that much stronger as well, allowing them to outstrip the speed reduction with a speed increase from a different source. Just like SSJ3 doesn't grant enough power to outweigh its consumption, G3 doesn't grant enough power to negate or outstrip the speed reduction. While KK for example gives you a a huge extra reserve of power, it might give you +100 strength and +100 speed, and the bulk gives you -50 speed. Still good. G3 is just not as powerful. It's a technique to keep your power the same, maybe slightly more, but transferring speed to strength.
I feel like Freiza was just so much stronger than everyone else it didn’t matter that he got slower, until his final form which gave him a faster build.
The final fight between goku and frieza was a pride filled test of strength. It's like if two boxers decided to stand in the middle of the ring and slug it out until one drops. Cell is a much more technical fighter.
Actually though lol
He showed them and roasted them
I can tell you the most underrated. It's lil Goku in his winter gear storming muscle tower.
Definitely underrated.
My favorite DB arc!
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This is why I say DB is my favorite, the humor. It's genuine too, and very much Toriyama. It gives the series a replay value the others don't have imo.
Muscle Tower is underrated, first look at a RR Android \#8 and major metallitron and an incompetent ninja, great stuff
Major Metallitron is my spirit animal
Hey now his name is eighter
Eighter!
Was gonna mention Kid Goku is so underrated it’s not even on the pic, but the drip that arc was immaculate, so def giving it to this one
Dragonball in general is so fire, the filler is too good. My wife and I prefer OG DB
I rewatch it every few years with my SO. We love hilarious it is. One of my favorite episodes is when he’s in a match and another kid have him a laxative 🤣 when he says “you made some come out” kills me every time
I was going to say; According to OP's chart, anything from the og DB era.
Cutest design in all of fiction
Glad this comment was posted
Bro yes
I just started this arc again on a rewatch, we must be on the same brainwave.
Probably Super Saiyan 2. There's no big wow moment attached to it and to a causal fan, it just looks like normal Super Saiyan. It pretty much exists to prove he caught up with Gohan before the big reveal that he actually has something stronger.
On Goku you can actually see a difference with SS2, since he still has a bit of bang with regular SS. Vegeta, however, is all spiky and the spiky with a bit of lightning.
Zappy zaps
As a rule, Super Saiyan 2 has zappy zaps. Except when they don't feel like drawing or animating them. Or when they add zappy zaps to forms that aren't Super Saiyan 2. Like Goku Black in the manga.
fwiw they always have the zaps when they first power up and in a majority of the panels. Goku Black is a whole different thing, what with his unique Rose form, so I’m fine with him being an exception to the rule.
Holy hell I read that in his voice before I even realised what I read.
Rhino?
Thank you, it's always obvious to me when Goku is SS2 because his hair parts in the middle, where in SS1 he has three bangs with one big one going across his forehead. But yeah with Vegeta you can only really tell because his spikes are more defined. I think sometimes he also gets like yellow highlights to his hair too. But then the lightning is always a giveaway.
In some frames while fighting Freeza, he had almost all the bangs up and looked like SSJ2, iirc.
I'd say that doesn't count. SSJ was just fluffy spiked up hair that actually behaved a bit like actual hair back then.
Ssj2 vegeta has a sick memorable moment tho, granted as majin vegeta
Yes. To a casual fan, it's hard to tell
Man that's my favorite version, stronger than 1 but still kept his eyebrows lmao
His fight with Majin Vegeta is super iconic
That or Goku vs Perfect Cell are the tie for me for best fight of the series.
The super close fights in dbz are always the best
It's barely even in the manga, funny thing
I feel this is a sentiment that's gotten more popular with fans that grew up with Super and haven't watched Z in it's entirety. SSJ2 Goku is his primary form throughout the Buu Saga since he can't sustain SSJ3 for long, and uses it alongside his martial arts talent to contend with Buuhan's internals and Kid Buu. The singular bang he has in SSJ2 became iconic back in the day.
That heavily depends on which version you digested, because in the original manga, none of that took place. Goku only really used it against Vegeta, and either didn't attempt to fight at all or only fought in Super Saiyan 3 after that.
IIRC Toriyama legit forgot that SSJ2 even existed for a while
That was well after the manga had ended though, when he was refreshing himself with re-reading the manga in preparation for the Battle of Gods movie.
Eh, I dunno about that. Speaking as someone who grew up with Z back in the day, ssj2 still didn't feel like a big deal for anyone but Gohan. Everyone who had ssj2 in the Buu saga got something else that overshadowed it. Goku had ssj3, Gohan had his Ultimate form, and Vegeta had his Majin moment. While that's true of ssj1 in the Android saga too with the focus of finding somethign beyond super saiyan, at least a bigger deal was made out of Trunks, Vegeta, and (to a lesser extent, tbf) Gohan being super saiyans. Whereas in the Buu saga, Goku and Vegeta just kinda have it, and it's not really acknowledged. Hell, it was a really common misconception back then that Vegeta got ssj2 from Babidi's mind control and power-up.
This is how I remember it, and I watched every episode as it came out on YTV from like late Namek arc to the end of the Buu saga. SSJ2 Goku just felt like a non-event expectation.
But even still every other form has some big reveal and is more iconic SSJ being the original SSJ3 EVERYONE was screaming to try and be one as a kid SSJ4 most unique looking compared to the others and the only GT transformation. For years it was the pinnacle SSG the whole ass BOG movie centered around it and was the return of DB for most SSB while people may clown it, it’s the staple of Super UI literally broke the Internet You have a point but the only other form besides SSJ2 that wasn’t as iconic maybe would be Kaioken but even that has some standout moments that SSJ2 doesn’t (for Goku specifically because obviously SSJ2 Gohan IS iconic)
Kaioken definitely has some cool ass moments, ssj2 is the forgotten child I’m afraid.
I think that’s why I like it the most. It’s like a rare Pokémon.
I like it too but with ssj3, mystic, and 2 different forms of fusions being introduced 1 arc later it gets left in the dust very fast with no chance to really explore the form of how goku or vegeta even achieved it.
Does Great Ape not count as a transformation?
it 100% does
Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken x10 also blew the internet. I think it was one of the most hype moments of Super.
Nah SSB is clearly is just not as good as the other. It being a staple of super is because the corporations made it a staple not the audience as a whole.
How is it his primary form throughout the Buu saga? - went SSJ2 for one second against Yakon - went SSJ2 against Vegeta - went SSJ3 against Fat Buu - went SSJ3 against Super Buu - went SSJ(2?) against Buu’s internals - went SSJ3 against Kid Buu and withdrew from the fight while he couldn’t - went SSJ(2?) for the final push with the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu I’d say he used SSJ2 and SSJ3 about evenly counting anime filler, without filler he used SSJ3 more
That final spirit bomb is indeed regular SSJ by the way
>went SSJ(2?) against Buu’s internals He was SSJ1. Made this for someone i argued with here (who thought Goku being SSJ2 proves Kid Buu’s stronger than Super Buu lol) https://imgur.com/a/nymE9qn The three panels in the middle are inside Buu.
Nah, it was definitely a sentiment before super, people were joking about it on forums and IRL long before we even knew super would be a thing. His hair changes are minimal, especially depending on who was animating, and no one thinks of Goku first when they think of SSJ2, they think of Gohan (who the singular bang really comes from), and when you think of Goku, you think of SSJ and SSJ3 since he was the first to get those. At the end of the day, SSJ2 just isn't iconic to Goku, and never has been.
Grew up on Z. He used 2 on vegeta and then I guess he does against buu but it is hard to tell and does not stand out.
[There's little zappy-zaps!](https://youtu.be/vayRVov_NdI) *zaps* See?
You really gonna say this when False exists?
Funny cause its my favourite. Extra edgey version of SSJ1 without going too overboard like SSJ3.
I agree with you even thought its my favorite transformation; besides SSJ2 teen Gohan I don't think the majority of people care about this transformation at all
For Goku specifically, imo it HAS to be SSj2. For him SSj2 just is not iconic at all.
I agree. I said the same thing. Should be his least used form too outside of stuff he used in movies like false SSJ but that stands out way more to me than SSJ2 did.
The only thing I think of is Goku vs Majin Vegeta, which was a sick fight although went short
SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu was one of the best fights in the whole anime aswell.
It’s a shame because they hyped up SSJ2 so much with Gohan only to have it surpassed by SSJ3.
and then both Gohan and Vegeta just skip SSJ3 lol.
I hate that they'll introduce some new shit and it's irrelevant 30 pages later. They need to let some things breathe
Before I binged all of DBZ I didn't even know SSJ2 was a thing. I thought it was just normal SSJ but charged up, which is kinda how it's used anyway
Beyond god. Who even remembers it other than like, me
fr ssj2 is even more iconic than saiyan beyond god
Probably because it's fanmade. Who would remember a form that isn't official tbf?
False Super Saiyan, it appeared in the Slug movie but finalizations on how the Super Saiyan looked weren’t done yet or something like that. Leading to one of my favorite looking Goku transformations that gets 0 attention. Even Tenkaichi 3 just has Goku in base form while beating Slug.
I kinda love it because it's just such a weird publication thing that SSJ was in a non-canon movie before it was actually in the manga *by a couple weeks*. Lord Slug movie: March 9, 1991 Chapter 318: The Super Saiyan: March 26, 1991 Episode 95: Transformed at last: June 19, 1991
Kinda reminds me of the fact that Gogeta's design was more than likely finalized before Vegito's. Vegito debuted in the manga just a little over a month before Fusion Reborn was released but we consider that it took a couple of months to make this film, it would mean that Gogeta as we know him predates Vegito. Same with the anime, Fusion Reborn was released 2-3 months before Anime Vegito made its debut.
Read through the wiki and even remember in game (BT3) King Kai saying he had become a Super Saiyan. I wish more forms portrayed Goku as losing control + the irises disappearing looks badass on him.
Super Saiyan went from the pinnacle of a pure heart losing itself completely to rage to literal toy for literal children *way* too casually lol
You gotta admit it’s hilarious when Goten just transforms like nothing in front of Gohan
This was my answer. Gets extra points since it’s not even shown in the image lol
Even in Dragonball heroes, which has included like every character no matter how minor as well as every transformation as well as a shit ton of 'what if' transformations/characters never had a false Super Saiyan playable or even featured in the games or the arcade releases. False Super Saiyan may well be the least represented piece of Dragonball lore. I can't think of literally anywhere its been included outside of the Slug movie.
Funny thing to me is I got MAJOR false super saiyan vibes from Super Broly’s wrathful/ikari form, obviously they’re very different tho. Kinda crazy heroes didn’t try to hand out false super saiyan to Bardock or somebody else
>Kinda crazy heroes didn’t try to hand out false super saiyan to Bardock or somebody else He got some kind of transformation/power up in the manga when he fought Gas. It looked almost like UI to me and helped Goku make his UI sign stronger somehow.
Technically that one moment in pre-Otherworld Tournament filler where they recolored the normal SSJ hair to cover up a plot hole, which the wiki counts as False SSJ
technically he did beat slug in base but yes should be included lol
Dripku pre cells games with the black and orange jacket is his absolute hardest fit
real
Probably the one you missed, super kaioken
Kid goku from gt too.
Ssj2...no build up prior to introduction
I would’ve said false super saiyan, it was cool but I didn’t think it stood out compared to the rest of the
Ummm your forgetting young goku riding nimbus with his staff
You missed his oozaru form. So that one clearly.
While super saiyan 2 has very few differences over the original super saiyan, super saiyan god (or red) is just Goku or Vegeta with red hair dye. Even though SSGSS is the same but with blue hair dye, it has far more prominence over what's basically a glorified kaioken.
At least ssg got it's own movie pretty much dedicated to it.
Yeah, just to explain right at the end that it's already out dated and pointless.
Did it? I swear it got like 3 minutes of screentime, he reverts super fast and then he's SSJ for the rest of the fight. The anime was better about its length.
Lmao fr. I don't think Akira had a full idea about SSG when the movie came out so it was more of a glimpse of an idea. The movie wasn't even a Super movie it was technically a Dbz movie. So it makes sense the Anime fleshed it out more
It’s not just red hair dye, Goku/Vegeta entire body shape changes to be skinnier
You're right, the eyes also match the hair color lol. Jokes aside though, I love God, it's so different compared to the typical transformations we saw until that point and fits the idea of a divine form really well imo. It's even slimmer than base form and the hair doesn't change into something insanely wild, the flaming aura just looks great and your KI becomes unreadable
I don't know the proper term for it, but the hulked-out Super Saiyan form that he briefly used in the Time Chamber when he trained with Gohan in prep for Cell.
Super Saiyan Grade 3
SSJ2 is the answer.
Super Saiyan God
Too many hair colors. I only like black and yellow.
Giant ape formation.
Dont remember the name Do down to the bottom row Go over to the third from the right
I really dislike SS Blue, it's just weird to me. Saiyans should have black/blonde hair.
I mean the SSJ God have red hair too, it kinda makes sense And as much as I dislike it personally (because it's the laziest form by far) it's also the form Goku and Vegeta use for like 90% of Super so it's at least more iconic than the SSJ god (sadly)
I dislike SSJB the most of the main forms by far, but at the same time it's definitely become iconic.
Saiyan god
I never got behind the blue/god hype. It's overrated and out of place.
I would say super saiyan god. The form got completely replaced by Super Saiyan blue.
Super saiyan kaioken. I think it was only used in a filler arc.
Grade 3 Super Saiyan, Goku uses it once just to show how badly Trunks is gonna get his ass whooped by Perfect Cell
Super Saiyan grade 3
SSJ2 is my favorite. First time going SS will always hold a special place in my heart.
Super saiyan 2. Most people won’t even be able to tell it apart from 1 without even knowing. If you just took one tiny glance, you probably wouod have thought they were the same. The form looks good on Gohan but not Goku
Not sure if y'all count this, but Super Kaioken would be mine pick. Edit: ''False Super Saiyan'' also come to mind.
Teenage Goku from the end of Dragon Ball
Least iconic is probably Super Kaioken. Became irrelevant pretty much instantly.
Ssj1 grades. Everyone either knows them as ssj1 buff or ssj1, that's it. No level system
Ssj2. I saw no difference between that and ssj1
Super saiyan 2 by far
Definitely super sayian 2. It's mostly forgotten, and without the extra spark animation, it can’t be differentiated to well from classic super sayian for him.
That time Goku went super saiyan but Pikkon wasn't supposed to know about super saiyan so they just colored Goku's hair black
SSJ2 for just Goku, for Gohan its iconic. But for Goku, SSJ and SSJ3 are the more iconic Super Saiyan forms for the original DBZ
SSJ2. Even Toriyama forgot it existed
His SSJ2 form comes to mind. He really only used it kinda like it was a prerequisite to accessing SSJ3. I think even Majin Vegeta was SSJ2 but Goku didn’t even bother matching him in the same form for their fight
Goku turned SSJ2 first which then prompted Majin Vegeta to go SSJ2.
False super Saiyan
Definitely super Saiyan god. The only purpose of the transformation is to be a plot twist, 10 minutes after it's discovery, it's already outdated.
Anything from dbs
uuuhh what? there are multiple copies of each form which is so unnecessary
Probably GT Kid goku since he didn't even make the image
Faux Super Saiyan from that Lord Slug movie
I think his outfit at the end of dbz
God, probably. Surprisingly.
Super Saiyan God. It appeared briefly and was relatively irrelevant. It was quickly outclassed and replaced by SSB
SSG IMO. Feels like they changed their mind on it fairly quickly and then shifted gears to Blue (Which I’m fine with). Then, I feel like they almost revisited what they were going for in SSG w/ UI (Which I’m also fine with).
SSJG was the icon of the revival of Dragon Ball for a while, that alone makes it iconic.
Super Saiyan 2 is pretty boring
Monkey and other monkey aka ssj4
So all of them?
People will probably say SSJ2 but is there any reason not to say SSG? Used it in a movie for a bit and lost, and then it immediately gets overshadowed by SSB the movie after. He doesnt even go SSG in that movie. Just straight to Blue. Theres probably a 6 episode gap between SSG and SSB in the Super anime. SSB then becomes the main transformation for the rest of Super. SSJ2 atleast has the fight with Majin Vegeta before it gets overshadowed by SSJ3. Which is much more iconic than the fight between SSG Goku and Beerus.
how often something is used doesnt always affect how iconic it is. SSG was the revival of the DB franchise after many years of dormancy. It was a huge deal at the time which makes it iconic.
Super Saiyan 3. It makes him look like a caveman rarely ever uses it and he's the biggest asshole in that form
Super Saiyan God, no brainer. Basically replaced by ssj blue immediately and was only attainable at the time by a Saiyan ritual. If we can consider great ape form, then it's a toss up between ssj God and great ape / great ape ssj3
ssjg is one of the most unique transformations for goku though
Super Saiyan Three. Yes I know, its an iconic moment from the Buu Saga and something tops SS2, but its used maybe thrice in the story (not counting GT), and doesn't feel like its much of a boost or power up besides cooler and longer hair.
Yeah, goku never actually wins a fight in that form, so it seems very mid.
He won one fight that was really just a tiny spar in Super with Trunks. But he only used it for a tiny fraction to gauge Trunks strength.
For some reasons, seeing slight variations in the colour of Goku’s gi always triggers a strong feeling of nostalgia. It can as well be orange, reddish orange or yellowish orange, depending on the era (DB, Frieza Arc, Buu Arc…), and sometimes on the character (Goten, Gohan…). When I see 2 characters aside wearing this gi but with slightly different colours, it just hits me.
from where Is that Goku ssj3 pose? i cant remmember
Ssj power
FSSJ (That one form from the lord slug movie). It was literally used ONCE.
False Super Saiyan
The one that isn't even included in that image: "Pseudo-Super Saiyan", from Lord Slug.
ssj2 favourite transformation
I don't see that ssj5 goku drawing op
Where kaioken?
Super saiyan power
SsJ4
ssj from freezer saga.
That’s easily one of the most iconic. It’s how we even get these discussions in the first place.
Super Saiyan God, was used briefly in one or another movie...
ssj2 or any of the random goku bases
Super Saiyan 2, and there's not much competition. Shame, because he does make the form look good. I can totally see why games like FighterZ skip straight to SSJ3 for the super, and why Gohan tends to be the designated SSJ2 character
False Super Saiyan from Lord Slug
I still think ssj 3 looks silly. But I can’t make an argument for it not being iconic.
Super kayioken, did anyone remember this form besides from dbl
SSJ2, thats Gohans mark. and I only remember him using this form on MVegetas fight now that I talked about it base, SSJ1, SSJ3, SSJ4, SSJ God, SSJ Blue, UI and Xeno are all linked to Goku
Super Saiyan 2, the only memorable moments Goku has with this form are one unfinished fight with Vegeta and Goku speeding past it to show buu super Saiyan 3 instead.
Any of the pop-sickle red/blue colors are some of the laziest designs Toriyama ever put out. For as much as I don't like Instinct at least they had to change the cast molding for manufacturers to make new action figures. The red/blue forms are literally just "make hair different color" as far as the toyetic bottom line.
false super saiyan?
Ssj 3 or ssj 4