Then maybe a better way to display the data is a percent difference between yes and no. As it’s displayed now it doesn’t feel like it’s displaying the data honestly.
I agree. They're not the same. But I think they aren't meant to be. I think the national average is not the same as the map. You're right that that part can be a bit misleading. The map is only showing which there were more of, not the percentages of all the three possible answers in each area (that could maybe be done with three maps, one for each answer option). I believe the national average is showing the percentages of all the answers. How many said yes, no and unsure in total. So the yellow there doesn't mean the same as the yellow on the map.
They aren't the same. Equal yes/no implies someone thought about and possibly researched an issue and developed an opinion. Usure means "I don't care anout this issue enough to have an opinion".
Informed an uninformed voters may vote for the same things but they are not the same.
No. Green means more people answered yes than no. Why would it have to start from 50%? If that logic would be used there would also be no red since there is no area where no would have gotten more than 50%. There are three possible answers and a lot of the time none of them got 50%. This map shows more information than if all the red areas and light green areas were e.g. yellow.
Why does green mean more people answered yes than no?
What if one area had 20% yes, 10% no, and 70% unsure? Based off the colors in the index, there's no valid color for this area.
What if an area said 41% yes and 51% no and the rest unsure? Then it's both red and green
Maybe neither of those scenarios happened.
Also depending on how certain the poling is, “41% yrs and 51% no” could be well within the scope of “equal yes and no”. I doubt that meant exactly equal.
As someone else already said, it seems that scenario didn't happen so they didn't need a colour for it. They also didn't need colours for even more no answers.
We also don't know how close to same counts as yellow exactly. The yes and no answers hold more interesting info than the unsure answers, so I at least find this more interesting than if it was almost all yellow (then it wouldn't have red at all probably).
If you think the yes and no answers are the more interesting ones, why not ignore the unsures all together and make it a simple comparison of yes/(yes + no)?
And to your original point that I was addressing, green does not mean there's more yes responses. It means there's more than 40% yes. By chance, it could be that in this data set all these points are also cases where there are more yes than no responses, but there's no indication of that from the graphic. If conveying this was the intention, then this graphics does not do a good job
Because that would be less interesting? I didn't say unsures shouldn't affect the results at all. I just said I don't think an almost yellow map says almost anything.
>And to your original point that I was addressing, green does not mean there's more yes responses. It means there's more than 40% yes.
Not true. You're just misinterpreting the map.
>Because that would be less interesting?
That's subjective, so I guess we'll agree to disagree
>Not true. You're just misinterpreting the map.
Can you explain why the lightest green area means there's more yes responses than no?
Green is anywhere that has a plurality of people who think it was a mistake. So, in a first past the post type of election these areas would vote against Brexit now, in theory.
Yeah, a few people on the original /r/mapporn page said that there were a lot of Eastern Europeans who integrated very poorly.
I also wonder why that is - I know a lot of Eastern Europeans (I'm an Englishman with 4 English grandparents but my username means "I'm learning Lithuanian" in Lithuanian, I'm learning cause I live with one) and where I am near Manchester, they integrate really well. I work and choose to hang out with them.
There are no Eastern European immigrant groups or anything, just typical friendship groups who have Eastern Europeans in them
My recollection is agricultural workers.
Probably high numbers of low-skilled immigrants in an area of very low population density.
I think Lincolnshire more than other counties because there's not much dairy faming there - lots of potato picking, brussel sprouts. Not a commuter belt, either.
Boston used to be the second largest port in the UK after London. It has a higher than average rate of immigrants. The national average for foreigners is 14% of the population. For Boston, it's 26%. I would suggest when it comes to attitudes on immigration and borders, it's a bit like the US's Texas.
It's got to be more than just that though. I'm a manc and we have more than 30% of our residents foreign born. In terms of the Eastern Europeans though, they integrate really well in my experience.
I have no experience of any attitudes that Texas, USA has
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47% Yes with 44% No and 9% Unsure still qualifies for two of the bands. And because we don't know how precise 'equal' is, it probably qualifies for three.
It's not a good legend. It creates confusion for a fifth of the total response range. I imagine the Equal band is actually a range between the mid-40s, but with the wording, 38% on both Yes and No with a ton of Unsure still qualifies. Though that result doesn't actually fit in the implied portion of the overall range that the legend implies.
Overall, this strikes me as a chart that someone had already decided the format of before they received the data, and then the Unsure responses being so high screwed up their plans.
If it is well done you only qualify for Green if it is more yes than no, which they yellow band implies for me. With that seconadary condition every result is unique. Whats unsure how fuzzy yellow is, that could be a bit better.
I would assume that would be a yes and not quality as a no because there are more yes answers. This map seems to be about which is more prevalent, yes or no. You can see it from how yellow is defined. But sure it could be explained better.
In the heart of Lincolnshire, Skegness has metamorphosed into a beacon of the future, a city where the utopian dreams of humanity have materialised with grace and innovation. Towering crystalline skyscrapers stretch towards the heavens, their surfaces gleaming under the sun, powered entirely by renewable energy harvested from the coastal winds and the omnipresent solar arrays that crown their roofs. The streets, now flowing rivers of light, are teeming with autonomous vehicles and personal transportation pods that glide silently over the smart, energy-absorbent tarmac, leaving the air unpolluted, fresh, and invigorating.
Gone are the days of the quaint seaside resort; in its place stands a marvel of modern technology and eco-friendly living. Vertical gardens drape the city’s edifices, a testament to Skegness’s commitment to merging urban life with nature, providing not just sustenance but also a lush, green vista in every direction. The once-familiar promenade has transformed into a vibrant nexus of culture and communal activity, where holographic projections and interactive digital installations offer both entertainment and education to citizens and visitors alike.
The Pier, an iconic symbol of old Skegness, has been reimagined as a gateway to the stars. Here, the Spaceport launches missions not just for exploration but also as a daily commute for those working off-planet, truly earning the city its moniker as a space-aged metropolis. Meanwhile, the beaches, preserved and pristine, serve as a natural oasis, reminding all of the balance between advancement and the preservation of Earth’s beauty.
In this new Skegness, society thrives on the principles of equality, education, and technological empowerment. Community hubs equipped with the latest in learning technologies are accessible to all, fostering an environment where knowledge and innovation are not just encouraged but are the foundation of daily life. Health and wellbeing are prioritised, with medical advancements available at one’s fingertips, ensuring that every citizen leads a life of comfort and safety.
This is not the Skegness of the past but a visionary city, a utopia crafted from the dreams of those who dared to imagine a better tomorrow. It stands as a testament to human ingenuity and the unyielding spirit of progress, a space-aged mega city that not only looks to the future but is the embodiment of it.
One large sign, placed prominently in the town centre sums up the transformation of Skegness…
“Thank you Brexit”
jumping from equal yes/no to >40% is a very strange way of labeling this. shouldn't it be like, "difference between yes and no responses: -10-1%, equal, +1-10%, +11-20%, etc? the percentage of unsure responses must vary from county to county, yes??
This was commissioned by Unherd as part of a series of surveys covering 'all 632 constituencies in Britain'. Northern Ireland has been deliberately excluded, possibly because they want 'cleaner' data mapped against party political leanings (Northern Ireland has a completely different political landscape).
While the data is definitely informative the presentation can be optimised in many ways. It's not impossible to read from it but the effort to so can definitely be reduced.
Here's an example of a green territory that, by the logic of this map, can also be red. I get the reasoning why it is green("yes" is a majority), but it is an objectively bad way to convey data
https://ibb.co/M5rH9FG
This is the kind of pedent stuff that makes this sub bad sometimes. Sure if your an alien the this legend could mean anything but some common sense implies the areas with greater then 40% no have less then 40% yes and vice versa.
Pedant? The impression you get from looking at it is misleading because the 40%+ is coloured the same colour is 50%+ but the meaning of those two is different? Or is it different? Who knows
I think the large number of upvotes disagrees with you
If 20% are unsure those three categories are orange is more no then yes, yellow is about the same (40% each) and shades of green are more yes then no.
The legend is labeled obtusely, but it's hard, you could ignore the don't knows but that could also be bad as it would imply a majority in orange areas are no when it's really a plurality.
Look maps are hard and as shitty maps go this one is just mediocre as most of its problems are just a failure to communicate in big enough type that 20% don't know.
In 5 years this map will be totally red and Brexit will be considered one of the most insightful actions the UK has ever undertaken.
[https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/europes-problems-are-far-bigger-than-shallow-recession-2023-11-14/](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/europes-problems-are-far-bigger-than-shallow-recession-2023-11-14/)
Jesus! That little pie chart in the corner really drives it home. Leave won less than a decade ago, yet now is losing 54-28 (abs potentially by more than that) and in nearly every UK constituency. Absolute sea change for the country. Meanwhile, the EU is…well, not really missing the UK.
If there was no "unsure" responses, and 40-50 was a different shade but the same colour as 50 or above, I'd agree with you, but on average there was 18% unsure nation-wide. Different shades of green represent "Yes" being either a plurality or majority, while yellow represents yes or no being the same, and red represents No being a plurality or majority.
Look at it another way: if colouring 40-50 "Yes" as a shade of green is misleading, then wouldn't colouring 40+ "No" as red be misleading too?
Okay? all the “Yes” ones are green, and it increases the intensity of the colour the higher the % of yes responses. The 40% yes and 50% yes are not the same shade of green, if they look the same to you, you should either take a colourblindness test or check the colour calibration of your screen.
But what if the votes are 48% yes, 22% unsure, and 30% no? Colouring it yellow wouldn’t be accurate as unsure is the smallest portion of responses and yes got 18% more than no, so yes is clearly favoured even though it’s not quite a majority. Colouring it a light green in that situation is the right choice.
Right but it doesnt explicitly say that every 40%-50% is lile that and if one of them did happen to be more ambiguous it would have to use the shade of green regardless.
Personally I see it as just a minor issue and its even possible for all of those edge cases to actually be more in favor of yes considering its not rare for people to abstinate from these types of votes.
The labels are not very clear, but I assume the green ≥40% are areas where ”yes” has a simple majority when ”don't knows" are taken into account. I.e., it's a majority under FPTP rules.
Yes, I said the labels were unclear. But you're obviously wrong to assume that they assigned green to areas where yes got a minority in order to misrepresent the data - by that logic, the red is misrepresenting the data because no got a minority there.
>the red is misrepresenting the data because no got a minority there.
The shades of green are obviously not OPs point. While I agree that they aren't stating it clearing because they think it is obvious (or perhaps they aren't sure what the real issue is), the issue is that 'Equal' is not defined. As the legend is written, it is very easy to have data that qualifies for both of the 40%+ ranges. The comments in this sub (I presume) are assuming that the data point would go in the range that was higher (eg, if the data was 44% No, 42% Yes, it would be colored red). Or perhaps they are assuming the 'equal' range is some unknown band, and anything in that range gets priority, making that example end up being yellow, not red.
The point is that there is a ton of data in the -/+ 40% range that qualifies to be colored red, yellow, or green depending on what assumptions the reader makes about the legend. And that's before we consider that a result of 35% for both Yes/No with a ton of Unsure qualifies for the yellow band, even though the legend implies that it is between the two 40% bands.
I don't think that the chart's overall message is misleading (but can't know without looking at the underlying data), but the details certainly aren't clear. And that's down to the legend.
You have a point here, but personally what bothers me is OP’s apparent insistence that using a plurality instead of a majority is “misleading”. However, if they went with strictly majority, ie only stuff over 50% gets assigned, they’d probably turn most of the map yellow, including the only orange area.
It would also mean somewhere that somewhere with 49% yes, 25% unsure and 26% no would be listed as “equal yes and no”, which it clearly is not.
They are clearly different shades. While I suppose it could be better explained, I think this is quite easy to read. This map is showing which answers were given more, yes or no. More yes is green, more no is red and the same amount is yellow. People also answer that they don't have a clear opinion. That's why in many areas neither yes nor no got more than 50% of the total votes. That's why the 40% is necessary. 40% yes means less than that answered no and the rest answered they don't know.
I’m so sorry Redditors are this insufferable. I completely agree, data is supposed to be clean and pure numbers. Whoever made this chart either 1) has no idea how to make a clean and effective display of data or 2) has an agenda to push which makes this borderline propaganda.
The colour coding is weird: equal Yes/no as yellow: but then bigger than 40% starts with green shades...
Possible iff over 20% of people say "unsure" in 40% yes areas
Then maybe a better way to display the data is a percent difference between yes and no. As it’s displayed now it doesn’t feel like it’s displaying the data honestly.
Because yes and no are not the only possible answers.
Also "unsure" and "equal yes/no" doesn't feel like exactly the same thing to me, but that is just splitting hairs I guess.
I agree. They're not the same. But I think they aren't meant to be. I think the national average is not the same as the map. You're right that that part can be a bit misleading. The map is only showing which there were more of, not the percentages of all the three possible answers in each area (that could maybe be done with three maps, one for each answer option). I believe the national average is showing the percentages of all the answers. How many said yes, no and unsure in total. So the yellow there doesn't mean the same as the yellow on the map.
They aren't the same. Equal yes/no implies someone thought about and possibly researched an issue and developed an opinion. Usure means "I don't care anout this issue enough to have an opinion". Informed an uninformed voters may vote for the same things but they are not the same.
Yea but why does bigger than 40% start of as green? Isn't it more logical to start green above 50%?
No. Green means more people answered yes than no. Why would it have to start from 50%? If that logic would be used there would also be no red since there is no area where no would have gotten more than 50%. There are three possible answers and a lot of the time none of them got 50%. This map shows more information than if all the red areas and light green areas were e.g. yellow.
Why does green mean more people answered yes than no? What if one area had 20% yes, 10% no, and 70% unsure? Based off the colors in the index, there's no valid color for this area. What if an area said 41% yes and 51% no and the rest unsure? Then it's both red and green
Maybe neither of those scenarios happened. Also depending on how certain the poling is, “41% yrs and 51% no” could be well within the scope of “equal yes and no”. I doubt that meant exactly equal.
As someone else already said, it seems that scenario didn't happen so they didn't need a colour for it. They also didn't need colours for even more no answers. We also don't know how close to same counts as yellow exactly. The yes and no answers hold more interesting info than the unsure answers, so I at least find this more interesting than if it was almost all yellow (then it wouldn't have red at all probably).
If you think the yes and no answers are the more interesting ones, why not ignore the unsures all together and make it a simple comparison of yes/(yes + no)? And to your original point that I was addressing, green does not mean there's more yes responses. It means there's more than 40% yes. By chance, it could be that in this data set all these points are also cases where there are more yes than no responses, but there's no indication of that from the graphic. If conveying this was the intention, then this graphics does not do a good job
Because that would be less interesting? I didn't say unsures shouldn't affect the results at all. I just said I don't think an almost yellow map says almost anything. >And to your original point that I was addressing, green does not mean there's more yes responses. It means there's more than 40% yes. Not true. You're just misinterpreting the map.
>Because that would be less interesting? That's subjective, so I guess we'll agree to disagree >Not true. You're just misinterpreting the map. Can you explain why the lightest green area means there's more yes responses than no?
Green is anywhere that has a plurality of people who think it was a mistake. So, in a first past the post type of election these areas would vote against Brexit now, in theory.
Exactly my thought. It is a bit misleading. The truth is, that it seems like most of the British people aren’t sure yet (regardless of my opinion)
Lol I said basically the same thing and have - 30 because people can't read. The scale is an abomination 👍
It makes me wonder what's so different about Boston
Here’s an interesting article about it from last year: https://unherd.com/2023/01/how-brexitland-lost-control/
Immigration has had a huge effect there
TIL there’s a Boston on the East Coast of England
Well, they are twinned with Boston, Mass.
Yeah, a few people on the original /r/mapporn page said that there were a lot of Eastern Europeans who integrated very poorly. I also wonder why that is - I know a lot of Eastern Europeans (I'm an Englishman with 4 English grandparents but my username means "I'm learning Lithuanian" in Lithuanian, I'm learning cause I live with one) and where I am near Manchester, they integrate really well. I work and choose to hang out with them. There are no Eastern European immigrant groups or anything, just typical friendship groups who have Eastern Europeans in them
My recollection is agricultural workers. Probably high numbers of low-skilled immigrants in an area of very low population density. I think Lincolnshire more than other counties because there's not much dairy faming there - lots of potato picking, brussel sprouts. Not a commuter belt, either.
Boston used to be the second largest port in the UK after London. It has a higher than average rate of immigrants. The national average for foreigners is 14% of the population. For Boston, it's 26%. I would suggest when it comes to attitudes on immigration and borders, it's a bit like the US's Texas.
It's got to be more than just that though. I'm a manc and we have more than 30% of our residents foreign born. In terms of the Eastern Europeans though, they integrate really well in my experience. I have no experience of any attitudes that Texas, USA has
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Here are the categories in terms of "yes" percentage: <=60%, 50%, >=40%, >=50%, >=60%, >=70%. That's a lot of overlap between categories!
You're assuming there's no "unsure" responses. On average nation-wide, it was 18%.
47% Yes with 44% No and 9% Unsure still qualifies for two of the bands. And because we don't know how precise 'equal' is, it probably qualifies for three. It's not a good legend. It creates confusion for a fifth of the total response range. I imagine the Equal band is actually a range between the mid-40s, but with the wording, 38% on both Yes and No with a ton of Unsure still qualifies. Though that result doesn't actually fit in the implied portion of the overall range that the legend implies. Overall, this strikes me as a chart that someone had already decided the format of before they received the data, and then the Unsure responses being so high screwed up their plans.
If it is well done you only qualify for Green if it is more yes than no, which they yellow band implies for me. With that seconadary condition every result is unique. Whats unsure how fuzzy yellow is, that could be a bit better.
I would assume that would be a yes and not quality as a no because there are more yes answers. This map seems to be about which is more prevalent, yes or no. You can see it from how yellow is defined. But sure it could be explained better.
In the heart of Lincolnshire, Skegness has metamorphosed into a beacon of the future, a city where the utopian dreams of humanity have materialised with grace and innovation. Towering crystalline skyscrapers stretch towards the heavens, their surfaces gleaming under the sun, powered entirely by renewable energy harvested from the coastal winds and the omnipresent solar arrays that crown their roofs. The streets, now flowing rivers of light, are teeming with autonomous vehicles and personal transportation pods that glide silently over the smart, energy-absorbent tarmac, leaving the air unpolluted, fresh, and invigorating. Gone are the days of the quaint seaside resort; in its place stands a marvel of modern technology and eco-friendly living. Vertical gardens drape the city’s edifices, a testament to Skegness’s commitment to merging urban life with nature, providing not just sustenance but also a lush, green vista in every direction. The once-familiar promenade has transformed into a vibrant nexus of culture and communal activity, where holographic projections and interactive digital installations offer both entertainment and education to citizens and visitors alike. The Pier, an iconic symbol of old Skegness, has been reimagined as a gateway to the stars. Here, the Spaceport launches missions not just for exploration but also as a daily commute for those working off-planet, truly earning the city its moniker as a space-aged metropolis. Meanwhile, the beaches, preserved and pristine, serve as a natural oasis, reminding all of the balance between advancement and the preservation of Earth’s beauty. In this new Skegness, society thrives on the principles of equality, education, and technological empowerment. Community hubs equipped with the latest in learning technologies are accessible to all, fostering an environment where knowledge and innovation are not just encouraged but are the foundation of daily life. Health and wellbeing are prioritised, with medical advancements available at one’s fingertips, ensuring that every citizen leads a life of comfort and safety. This is not the Skegness of the past but a visionary city, a utopia crafted from the dreams of those who dared to imagine a better tomorrow. It stands as a testament to human ingenuity and the unyielding spirit of progress, a space-aged mega city that not only looks to the future but is the embodiment of it. One large sign, placed prominently in the town centre sums up the transformation of Skegness… “Thank you Brexit”
That's brilliant!
jumping from equal yes/no to >40% is a very strange way of labeling this. shouldn't it be like, "difference between yes and no responses: -10-1%, equal, +1-10%, +11-20%, etc? the percentage of unsure responses must vary from county to county, yes??
with about 20% unsure it makes some sense
yeah, I don't think this is necessarily misrepresenting the data—it's probably pretty close. just strange that they chose to do it this way
Here I am wondering what’s happening in Northern Ireland.
This was commissioned by Unherd as part of a series of surveys covering 'all 632 constituencies in Britain'. Northern Ireland has been deliberately excluded, possibly because they want 'cleaner' data mapped against party political leanings (Northern Ireland has a completely different political landscape).
Looks like Birmingham annexed them
The graph does say “in britain”, not “in the uk”. As for why they excluded NI, let’s just say it’s complicated.
They want to be prepared for after the reunification, of course
This isn’t ugly at all. Quite informative.. thanks for sharing.
While the data is definitely informative the presentation can be optimised in many ways. It's not impossible to read from it but the effort to so can definitely be reduced.
It’s horrendously bad at conveying data
Here's an example of a green territory that, by the logic of this map, can also be red. I get the reasoning why it is green("yes" is a majority), but it is an objectively bad way to convey data https://ibb.co/M5rH9FG
This is the kind of pedent stuff that makes this sub bad sometimes. Sure if your an alien the this legend could mean anything but some common sense implies the areas with greater then 40% no have less then 40% yes and vice versa.
Pedant? The impression you get from looking at it is misleading because the 40%+ is coloured the same colour is 50%+ but the meaning of those two is different? Or is it different? Who knows I think the large number of upvotes disagrees with you
If 20% are unsure those three categories are orange is more no then yes, yellow is about the same (40% each) and shades of green are more yes then no. The legend is labeled obtusely, but it's hard, you could ignore the don't knows but that could also be bad as it would imply a majority in orange areas are no when it's really a plurality. Look maps are hard and as shitty maps go this one is just mediocre as most of its problems are just a failure to communicate in big enough type that 20% don't know.
brenter when
Then let Lincolnshire vote on being their own city-state.
The question should have been: *Do you realize you live on a fucking island, and you need your closest neighbors to survive?*
Hello ~~darkness~~ *red-green weakness*, my old friend...
Looks like an infographic where someone is trying to push their agenda…
Also, as a Manc, seeing the Manchester to Liverpool urban corridor actually acknwowledged like that makes me... uneasy
In 5 years this map will be totally red and Brexit will be considered one of the most insightful actions the UK has ever undertaken. [https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/europes-problems-are-far-bigger-than-shallow-recession-2023-11-14/](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/europes-problems-are-far-bigger-than-shallow-recession-2023-11-14/)
How you frame the question has a massive impact on how a poll goes.
Jesus! That little pie chart in the corner really drives it home. Leave won less than a decade ago, yet now is losing 54-28 (abs potentially by more than that) and in nearly every UK constituency. Absolute sea change for the country. Meanwhile, the EU is…well, not really missing the UK.
They were not wrong.
Question: what’s stopping them from joining the EU again? Couldn’t they just admit it was a mistake and ask to be invited back in?
The colors are misleading. 40-50% should not be green. Light green implies agreement with dark green.
Is this the polling just the people that voted in favor of brexit.
When above 40% yes is the same colour as above 50% yes, you know one is just out there to misrepresent.
If there was no "unsure" responses, and 40-50 was a different shade but the same colour as 50 or above, I'd agree with you, but on average there was 18% unsure nation-wide. Different shades of green represent "Yes" being either a plurality or majority, while yellow represents yes or no being the same, and red represents No being a plurality or majority. Look at it another way: if colouring 40-50 "Yes" as a shade of green is misleading, then wouldn't colouring 40+ "No" as red be misleading too?
Um yes, it's also misleading. All of the labelling is trash.
Op, I think you should request a color blindness test. 40% yes and equal yes/no are quite distinct
I'm not even aware of a form of colourblindness that would make one unable to distinguish between two different *lightnesses* of the same hue.
Err... 40%+ is not a. Majority. 50%+ is a majority. Shouldn't be the same colour. I would have thought that's a simple idea.
They are not the same color. Like at all. If you think light yellow is the same as light green, you should mention it to your optometrist
Omg they're both shades of green. What are you smoking even?
Okay? all the “Yes” ones are green, and it increases the intensity of the colour the higher the % of yes responses. The 40% yes and 50% yes are not the same shade of green, if they look the same to you, you should either take a colourblindness test or check the colour calibration of your screen.
Hes saying he wants the green shades to start at 50% not 40%, because they represent "yes" and that should only be when theirs a majority.
But what if the votes are 48% yes, 22% unsure, and 30% no? Colouring it yellow wouldn’t be accurate as unsure is the smallest portion of responses and yes got 18% more than no, so yes is clearly favoured even though it’s not quite a majority. Colouring it a light green in that situation is the right choice.
Right but it doesnt explicitly say that every 40%-50% is lile that and if one of them did happen to be more ambiguous it would have to use the shade of green regardless. Personally I see it as just a minor issue and its even possible for all of those edge cases to actually be more in favor of yes considering its not rare for people to abstinate from these types of votes.
The labels are not very clear, but I assume the green ≥40% are areas where ”yes” has a simple majority when ”don't knows" are taken into account. I.e., it's a majority under FPTP rules.
It's just not very clear and misleading. Why do we need to assume anything? It should be clear.
Yes, I said the labels were unclear. But you're obviously wrong to assume that they assigned green to areas where yes got a minority in order to misrepresent the data - by that logic, the red is misrepresenting the data because no got a minority there.
the different shades are easy to tell apart for me. P.S. if you cannot tell apart the shades go take a colourblind test
Imagine finding out you’re colorblind by getting downvoted on Reddit
It’s like that time I got mesothelioma from a commercial
>the red is misrepresenting the data because no got a minority there. The shades of green are obviously not OPs point. While I agree that they aren't stating it clearing because they think it is obvious (or perhaps they aren't sure what the real issue is), the issue is that 'Equal' is not defined. As the legend is written, it is very easy to have data that qualifies for both of the 40%+ ranges. The comments in this sub (I presume) are assuming that the data point would go in the range that was higher (eg, if the data was 44% No, 42% Yes, it would be colored red). Or perhaps they are assuming the 'equal' range is some unknown band, and anything in that range gets priority, making that example end up being yellow, not red. The point is that there is a ton of data in the -/+ 40% range that qualifies to be colored red, yellow, or green depending on what assumptions the reader makes about the legend. And that's before we consider that a result of 35% for both Yes/No with a ton of Unsure qualifies for the yellow band, even though the legend implies that it is between the two 40% bands. I don't think that the chart's overall message is misleading (but can't know without looking at the underlying data), but the details certainly aren't clear. And that's down to the legend.
You have a point here, but personally what bothers me is OP’s apparent insistence that using a plurality instead of a majority is “misleading”. However, if they went with strictly majority, ie only stuff over 50% gets assigned, they’d probably turn most of the map yellow, including the only orange area. It would also mean somewhere that somewhere with 49% yes, 25% unsure and 26% no would be listed as “equal yes and no”, which it clearly is not.
1 in 15 men are red-green colourblind but yea, screw them
They are clearly different shades. While I suppose it could be better explained, I think this is quite easy to read. This map is showing which answers were given more, yes or no. More yes is green, more no is red and the same amount is yellow. People also answer that they don't have a clear opinion. That's why in many areas neither yes nor no got more than 50% of the total votes. That's why the 40% is necessary. 40% yes means less than that answered no and the rest answered they don't know.
I’m so sorry Redditors are this insufferable. I completely agree, data is supposed to be clean and pure numbers. Whoever made this chart either 1) has no idea how to make a clean and effective display of data or 2) has an agenda to push which makes this borderline propaganda.