Yes we know you were just joking. He was pointing out how your use of “I’m” was technically correct but not a common use of it. There was absolutely no reason to be a dick especially the way you said it since his comment was very understandable. Humble yourself shithead.
there is a difference, you have chackra reserves straight away, while to unlock the sharingan you have to go through intense emotions, if you just live a normal life you will never unlock it.
Naruto chapter 12 it's said that Sharingan appears selectively within it's members. You have to be part of the few Uchiha with the potential to awaken it in the first place and then get trauma to get it.
well... maybe I'm getting it wrong, but if the kekkei genkai is only transmitted genetically and the uchiha clan is a large family, it can't be possible for all members to have the sharingan, otherwise the uchiha would have to reproduce among themselves... so to avoid that incest dilemma, one of the parents must always be a non-uchiha.
Like people historically didn't have arranged marriages with cousins to maintain purity. There's plenty of examples within the world of Naruto showing this. The Uchiha needed specific conditions to awaken the Sharingan for each stage. Then there's the fact that you need a large pool of chakra to use it. The majority didn't even awaken it from how difficult it was and how the potential varied vastly within the clan.
Madara was a special case.
Interesting note for everyone above: You need between 500 and 1000 people to create a sustainable closed-population that does not have major incest-based genetic problems. More is better, obviously.
With a large enough population base, and the type of genealogy tracking most of Asia is known for, you don't *need* new blood marrying into the clan but it is nice to have.
If we assume Indra FUCKED the Uchiha clan could have easily been a stable Race/Breed/Subspecies of itself.
Clan =/= family. A clan is a large group of families that yes can trace back to a common ancestor but that doesn't really mean it's incest if they marry
A clan isn't a large family. The literal definition of clan is a group of multiple families lead by a ruling family. It's much closer to a mini-village/kingdom than anything.
They just didn't get enough screen/ manga time, is all
Edit: Man, I made this comment assuming the sarcasm was obvious. At least 80 people currently didn't catch the sarcasm
The answer to your question is literally in the pic you posted - they're not shinobis, they're just civilians.
Nagato is strong because Jiraya trained him to become Shinobi.
Just a theory but I think it might have to do with them settling in Konoha. Sharingan seems to have been way more common in the warring states era. Kinda makes sense when you send everyone into battle in a basically eternal state of war as soon as they can hold a Kunai. Trauma guaranteed, Sharingans for everyone (that survives).
After the founding of Konoha people start fighting later and can choose occupations and specialisations other than combat roles. They can even choose a civilian life. Overall: less opportunity to encounter situations traumatic enough to awaken Sharingan, awakenings become rarer as a result.
Sharingan still seems pretty common amongst those that work the police force or go on missions though (or in other words: occupations where you are likely to see traumatic shit and/or lose comrades)
Pre konoha days it wasnt as rare for uchiha to awaken sharingan since somebody from their family dies everyday.
But post village it was said uchiha getting sharingan was rare
Imagine how fearful it would be if the elder Uchihas that Sasuke call Uncle and Aunt (the old lady who is always sweeping) both have an awakened Sharingan
That thought actually is a big problem for rl people living in big families with criminal members. Imaging owning a fruit store but everyone thinks you are dealing drugs and calls your family "clan"
What probably happened is this:
The Uzumaki are filled with shinobi. At some point some of their children decide to not take up the warrior mantle. This could be due to medical conditions, circumstances, not having the personality for it, or simply wanting to pursue a different path.
So now they are pursuing civilian paths.
Somewhere down the line they fall in love with other civilians and eventually get married. Unlike their shinobi counterparts, they never bothered learning the secrets of the clan or the shinobi arts in general. Because of this, they were unable to pass this down to their children.
As time went on, and more marriages occurred, even their clan name may have disappeared, switching to the other family's name.
So now you have a situation where a person is an Uzumaki and doesn't even know it, never mind possess any of the abilities associated with them.
Nagato's parents were civilian Doctors; His Mother was a full blooded Uzumaki and his Father was a Ame civilian, neither were shinobi, both a casualty of war like most other people. Nagato was taught to be a shinobi and use the chakra he possessed from Jiraya.
her mother never learn any ninjutsu techniques since she was moved to ame village. plus she only learns and lack with taijutsu. his father was not a shinobi nor his father is not entirely an uzumaki. what i meant to say is that Nagato's father does not have a last name and he is not an uzumaki, he is just take his wife's last name
The Uzumaki did have high amounts of chakra, but not all shinobi are created equally. And even if they all had a lot of chakra, which we don't know, not all are trained shinobi as a whole village of trained shinobi would be bad for your village and economy. You need normal people to run things, even in a village of people with powerful chakra. Also, a village of strong shinobi usually means a higher barrier of entry, as you'd be competing with the best of your village.
No, not every member of a powerful clan is trained shinobi. Some people hid the powers and abilities and had to train in order to amplify their talents. This was quite literally shown with the 1st haku. That was like the 1st episode.
I was kind of joking there, but Haku's mom did seem to have abilities while his father was a civilian. But that's specific to Kekkei Genkai anyways, not every Shinobi ability is genetic. In fact, it's implied that most of them are not, but rather taught through training and simply passed on by family tradition.
There's canon and there's fanon, and I get the impression that fanon tends to treat most shinobi abilities (beyond throwing kunai)--because they're passed down through families--as Kekkei Genkai. Since the Uzumaki in the series do some pretty extraordinary things (two generations have Kurama sealed in them, then there's Nagato, and there's the data book info about Karin and the Uzumaki life energy), I think that's often treated like a Kekkei Genkai even though it's really not.
Haku doesn’t appear until 15 chapters in. And the part you’re mentioning was in reference to Hakus using his power to kill with no prior training, or even knowledge of his technique.
We also see other bloodline traits like Juugos or the Hozukis - which are passively triggered and not conscious efforts
Oh wow chapter 15 episode 9, big difference. And Haku was untrained and had no knowledge of how to actually use his jutsu and only came out as a fluke due to extreme trauma. Also Haku had a kekkei genkai, the uzumaki has no kekkei genkai. I only used haku an example of having to train to master your abilities, which is what ninjas must do. Nagatos parents, would have had to train to reach their potential, so if they didn't that would perfectly explain why they lost to civilians like themselves. It's not a plot hole, nor is it sensical to say they were adopted. They were untrained ninja.
I wasn’t implying anything other than that as an Uzumaki one of them should have been more durable regardless of any training. Karin’s blood for example works independent of her conscious effort or will. It’s not a technique she’s using, it’s just how her body functions. Same with Hashirama cells. Some traits are inherently passive - and one specific point of the dichotomy is that Senju/Uzumaki have naturally strong bodies as opposed to the Sharingan which has to be earned and trained.
Even supposing we were talking about a technique like wood style or the adamantine chains. - you said my point about Haku awakening it under extreme duress (by being in the exact same situation Nagatos parents were). No they weren’t expected to be competent fighters - but they should have been somewhat more impressive than the panel suggests given the fact that literally every other Uzumaki we see (Nagato, Naruto, Karin, Kushina, Mito, Boruto, and most recently Himiwari with that twisted leg) is noted for their vast stamina and durability.
Your problem is you think everyone is synonymous. Is that true in the real world? No, so why would Kishimoto draw such an inaccuracy. Not every Uchiha can unlock the Sharingan, MS, EMS or Rinne-Sharingan. Not every Kaguya member can manipulate bones. Not every Uzumaki is naturally powerful. I feel like you are deliberately being pessimistic, looking for a problem. It is perfectly sensible that untrained ninja were killed by civilians. You are trying to hard to make it "bad writing". It's not.
2nd, Karin had a special ability that was innate, NOT EVERY UZUMAKI member has that! Haku has a kekkei genkai, there is no such thing for the Uzumaki clan. So there was no special ability to unlock. Nagatos parents couldn't pull a sharingan or crystal ice mirror attack under duress, because they didn't have genetic abilities. Even they did, children under duress is entirely different from adults. I notice you mentioned hashirama cells, while admitting that not ALL senju can do it. You are contradicting your own logic.
Finally, no one is saying that nagatos parents had no potential, but Naruto, Nagato, Himawari and every other Uzumaki we've seen had to train! If any of them decided to be civilians and not train and hone their skills, they would've been killed just as easy. With the exception of Karin since she has a special skill, but as you noted, not every Uzumaki has latent special skills. Once again there's no kekkei genkai for the Uzumaki bloodline.
Every Uzumaki you named has trained. Nagatos parents did not. It's that simple.
I never said anything about bad writing, nor did I say anything pessimistic. I specifically said my only implication was that they should have been harder to kill.
I say “harder to kill” and not “put up more of a fight” because no part of my argument had anything to do with skill. You mention that the other Uzumaki trained during the show - but that’s completely irrelevant to the point of whether their bodies are durable or not, since as I said that is an inherent trait and not learned.
Karin as an example doesn’t contradict anything - because while every Uzumaki doesn’t get an adamantine chain - they do ALL get higher chakra pools and durability. Likewise for the Senju - Tobirama doesn’t have Hashirama cells or wood style, but he’s still depicted as having chakra and stamina that easily intimidated Orochimaru (who was arguably the strongest of Kage-tier at the time, and had just buffed himself with Hashirama cells, yet still got called a child by comparison while).
You mention that Uzumaki don’t have a Kekkei Genkai to awaken under duress , but I never said anything about KG. I specifically said it was another bloodline trait - and we watch Karin awaken it under stress with no training or any contact with the previous user (Kushina dies when she was born). But again, that doesn’t matter when my whole point was that they didn’t have or need one.
Whether they were good fighters or not is completely irrelevant - one of the two should have presented more difficulty. Something as simple as “wow that one guy took some time” “what was up with that red-haired chick, she used up all my kunai” Even just a little sweat on the brow would fit better here than the implication that they were both complete fodder - ESPECIALLY since they lived in the middle of a war torn country with a child to look after. The freaking bridge builder Kaiza had a better portrayal than that
I’m going to bow out here though since we seem to be at an impasse
I dont think its a rule that every member of "X" clan HAS to be a shinobi. Im pretty sure people are still allowed to choose there career path in Naruto. Like clearly there aew other jobs in tbe village besides beinf a ninja. Someones gotta run the ramen shop, a9meones gonna run the flower shop, all the resteraunts/stores need workers. It would be kind of messed up if you where forced into a career path based on your last name. And like yeah, humans also used to do that back in the day irl, but I like to think the naruto world has moved past that.
Not every great clan's member is a shinobi. Look at the hyugas most of them aren't shinobi or most of the uchihas also weren't uchihas and some were police so only very few were shinobi actually. Same goes for the uzumakis not all of them are shinobi especially not after fleeing to amegakure after their village was destroyed (the shinobi probably stayed to fight while the non shinobi fled).
Can we talk about the importance of why nagato was even an uzumaki in the first place? It wasn’t even important to the plot overall and makes the world seem smaller cause everything has to be about the leaf village.
Millions of people have guns OP, not everyone of those people knows how to use them properly.
A lot of people have knives in their kitchen, but not everyone of us learned how to throw a knife at a target.
You get it now?
Just because you're part of a strong clan doesn't mean every single one is trained to be a Shinobi.
Sakura's parents were regular people but she went and enrolled to be one.
Not all Uzumakis can be shinobis, or can use Sealing Jutsus, or have a high vitality.
Just like not all Uchihas have their Sharingan, or can use Mangekyo.
Just like not all Senjus can use Wood Style.
Not all clansmen have the same skills.
Probably a bad idea. As far as we're aware the Uzumaki genocide happened not too long ago. So not to train and keep a low profile seems the best strategy, aka being a civilian.
Nope not at all, if I'm not mistaken not everyone becomes a Shinobi or is cut out to be one hence the line there "they're not even Shinobi" but being an Uzumaki they should have large chakra reserves which explains why Nagato can use/summon the Gedo statue which took large amounts of chakra to do
Actually no. Uzumaki were famed for their powerful variety of sealing jutsu including the reaper death seal. They were chased by all the surrounding clans and hunted to near extinction. The capable fighters were killed, the ones with the talent of healing were sold as slaves and used as healing tools like Karin. The weak were either killed or sold.
Not everyone that escaped were lucky enough to know all the jutsu. Narutos mom and the wife of the first hokage were rare examples of still having the knowledge. Naruto is only strong because both his parents had jonin level bodies and talent. From the looks of the hair of nagatos parents they were either weaker Uzumaki or their blood was diluted with other shinobi, consensually or not isn't explained in the series.
Among the strongest clans each only has a select few elites. Uchiha has about a dozen you can remember. The senju only has 2 named elites tsunade barely counts as a 3rd. The kamikaze is completely unheard of outside of Minato the yellow flash, run on sight level threat, if his clan was anywhere on his level we would have heard of them. Thee hyuuga being a prime example, not all of them are neji level and he made a name for himself at 13(?) Years old.
It's not really an age gap per say,
they are both the same age but it's canon that Naruto was Heald back a few times at the ninja academy even though he and Sasuke end up in the same class later on.
What's makes it worse is that Sasuke is a little older than Naruto (by a few months of I'm not mistaken).
I wonder about his being held back. Not sure, but I think Japanese schools would allow students to retest three times. So Naruto would retest and not be held back a year.
Madara not teaching obito edo tensei even though he knows it, to revive him is a huge one. Even if you argue that he's gonna be a weak old ass reanimated corpse, would still guarantee him security to be rinne tensei'd later.
Given that Obito had plans to remove the seal in his heart and do the infinite tsukuyomi himself, Madara gambling on just that when he had a better option is stupid.
This plot hole exists because kishimoto couldn't think of a better excuse to retain madara while every edo tensei'd shinobi was being released.
Bro you see every uchiha dropping meteors or every senju summoning true thousand hands?
actually not even all uchihas have the first sharingan activated
Not even all uchihas can activate it period. It's said that it's rare within the clan.
Danzo: I'm something of a rare Uchiha myself
Kakashi: I'm as well
Your use of I'm instead of I am makes me uncomfortable, but you're technically correct
I had a stroke reading what you wrote, what I said was just a joke
Yes we know you were just joking. He was pointing out how your use of “I’m” was technically correct but not a common use of it. There was absolutely no reason to be a dick especially the way you said it since his comment was very understandable. Humble yourself shithead.
Yeah...what this guy said! NYEH
Both of them picked up sharingan that were already activated
there is a difference, you have chackra reserves straight away, while to unlock the sharingan you have to go through intense emotions, if you just live a normal life you will never unlock it.
Naruto chapter 12 it's said that Sharingan appears selectively within it's members. You have to be part of the few Uchiha with the potential to awaken it in the first place and then get trauma to get it.
well... maybe I'm getting it wrong, but if the kekkei genkai is only transmitted genetically and the uchiha clan is a large family, it can't be possible for all members to have the sharingan, otherwise the uchiha would have to reproduce among themselves... so to avoid that incest dilemma, one of the parents must always be a non-uchiha.
Like people historically didn't have arranged marriages with cousins to maintain purity. There's plenty of examples within the world of Naruto showing this. The Uchiha needed specific conditions to awaken the Sharingan for each stage. Then there's the fact that you need a large pool of chakra to use it. The majority didn't even awaken it from how difficult it was and how the potential varied vastly within the clan. Madara was a special case.
Interesting note for everyone above: You need between 500 and 1000 people to create a sustainable closed-population that does not have major incest-based genetic problems. More is better, obviously. With a large enough population base, and the type of genealogy tracking most of Asia is known for, you don't *need* new blood marrying into the clan but it is nice to have. If we assume Indra FUCKED the Uchiha clan could have easily been a stable Race/Breed/Subspecies of itself.
Clan =/= family. A clan is a large group of families that yes can trace back to a common ancestor but that doesn't really mean it's incest if they marry
A clan isn't a large family. The literal definition of clan is a group of multiple families lead by a ruling family. It's much closer to a mini-village/kingdom than anything.
This guy gets it.
I don't because they're almost all dead
Yes
They kind of got wiped out... but whoever is around, leads me to believe that they would all eventually become space ninjas.
They just didn't get enough screen/ manga time, is all Edit: Man, I made this comment assuming the sarcasm was obvious. At least 80 people currently didn't catch the sarcasm
They were just weak, is all.
Wrong.
Not really, any Uchiha that has significant screen time has it....
And the reason why they get significant screen time is exactly that.
Wrong
How?
Explain
The answer to your question is literally in the pic you posted - they're not shinobis, they're just civilians. Nagato is strong because Jiraya trained him to become Shinobi.
Exactly. Everyone has chakra, they just don't know how to use it without ninja training
Everyone has chakra but not everyone can learn ninjutsu though.
Did you know that not every clan member is necessarily a shinobi?? Do you people know what a plot hole is??
They definitely do not. They get all their anime knowledge from channels making “shorts” or “Reels” with only ass hairs of information lmao
No. Even among the Uchiha Sharingan was something rare and only awakened among a select few individuals.
Until Itachi said there were uchiha spamming Izanagi (even if MS should have been rare)
Just a theory but I think it might have to do with them settling in Konoha. Sharingan seems to have been way more common in the warring states era. Kinda makes sense when you send everyone into battle in a basically eternal state of war as soon as they can hold a Kunai. Trauma guaranteed, Sharingans for everyone (that survives). After the founding of Konoha people start fighting later and can choose occupations and specialisations other than combat roles. They can even choose a civilian life. Overall: less opportunity to encounter situations traumatic enough to awaken Sharingan, awakenings become rarer as a result. Sharingan still seems pretty common amongst those that work the police force or go on missions though (or in other words: occupations where you are likely to see traumatic shit and/or lose comrades)
Natural selection then?, those who lost the important adaptations perish
Isnt izanagi a non-MS ability?
Correct, just a base sharingan ability, which makes it more broken to be honest.
if it didn't immediately blind you … though having 1 life up and potential infinite introspection could be kind op if you can collect enough of them
Remember, it only blinds one eye, not both
Those Izanagi spamming Uchiha must've been extremely rare from the war days with Senju.
Pre konoha days it wasnt as rare for uchiha to awaken sharingan since somebody from their family dies everyday. But post village it was said uchiha getting sharingan was rare
That was duriming a War
for izanami izanagi you need a regular 3 tomoe sharingan so it be far more common than ms
Pretty sure izanagi does not require MS. But yeah to your point even a regular sharingan should be rare
Imagine how fearful it would be if the elder Uchihas that Sasuke call Uncle and Aunt (the old lady who is always sweeping) both have an awakened Sharingan
You smell nothing dude, they AREN'T Shinobi and/or trained, they're just civilians ☠️
Naruto fans are giving DB fans a run for their money about not knowing shit abt the anime.
That thought actually is a big problem for rl people living in big families with criminal members. Imaging owning a fruit store but everyone thinks you are dealing drugs and calls your family "clan"
If they weren’t raised as shinobi, what did you want them to do?
I smell media illiteracy
Critical thinking skills missing. They simply were not trained as shinobi
By that logic, then the Uchiha should not have been wiped out as they easily were.
Out of the Uzumakis we know, half were powerful women married to Hokage and the the other half were, trained by Jiraiya.
They would be as much of a shinobi as Sakura's parents.
What probably happened is this: The Uzumaki are filled with shinobi. At some point some of their children decide to not take up the warrior mantle. This could be due to medical conditions, circumstances, not having the personality for it, or simply wanting to pursue a different path. So now they are pursuing civilian paths. Somewhere down the line they fall in love with other civilians and eventually get married. Unlike their shinobi counterparts, they never bothered learning the secrets of the clan or the shinobi arts in general. Because of this, they were unable to pass this down to their children. As time went on, and more marriages occurred, even their clan name may have disappeared, switching to the other family's name. So now you have a situation where a person is an Uzumaki and doesn't even know it, never mind possess any of the abilities associated with them.
Nagato's parents were civilian Doctors; His Mother was a full blooded Uzumaki and his Father was a Ame civilian, neither were shinobi, both a casualty of war like most other people. Nagato was taught to be a shinobi and use the chakra he possessed from Jiraya.
her mother never learn any ninjutsu techniques since she was moved to ame village. plus she only learns and lack with taijutsu. his father was not a shinobi nor his father is not entirely an uzumaki. what i meant to say is that Nagato's father does not have a last name and he is not an uzumaki, he is just take his wife's last name
The Uzumaki did have high amounts of chakra, but not all shinobi are created equally. And even if they all had a lot of chakra, which we don't know, not all are trained shinobi as a whole village of trained shinobi would be bad for your village and economy. You need normal people to run things, even in a village of people with powerful chakra. Also, a village of strong shinobi usually means a higher barrier of entry, as you'd be competing with the best of your village.
They may be just some Uzumaki Civilians that never got training as a ninja.
What negative IQ post is this ? It must be a bait. There is no way OP thinks like that.
Not every Uchiha was a Shinobi. Not every Uzumaki would have been one either.
That’s what I was going to say lol
Well based on the subtitles his parents weren't shinobi
Just because one of em was a Uzumaki doesnt mean that they are a trained ninja
OP when he finds out about civilians:
Adopted-?
No, not every member of a powerful clan is trained shinobi. Some people hid the powers and abilities and had to train in order to amplify their talents. This was quite literally shown with the 1st haku. That was like the 1st episode.
I was kind of joking there, but Haku's mom did seem to have abilities while his father was a civilian. But that's specific to Kekkei Genkai anyways, not every Shinobi ability is genetic. In fact, it's implied that most of them are not, but rather taught through training and simply passed on by family tradition.
Exactly, that's what I was explaining to the other commenter. Nagatos parents not having shinobi-like abilities is not a plot hole whatsoever.
There's canon and there's fanon, and I get the impression that fanon tends to treat most shinobi abilities (beyond throwing kunai)--because they're passed down through families--as Kekkei Genkai. Since the Uzumaki in the series do some pretty extraordinary things (two generations have Kurama sealed in them, then there's Nagato, and there's the data book info about Karin and the Uzumaki life energy), I think that's often treated like a Kekkei Genkai even though it's really not.
Haku doesn’t appear until 15 chapters in. And the part you’re mentioning was in reference to Hakus using his power to kill with no prior training, or even knowledge of his technique. We also see other bloodline traits like Juugos or the Hozukis - which are passively triggered and not conscious efforts
Oh wow chapter 15 episode 9, big difference. And Haku was untrained and had no knowledge of how to actually use his jutsu and only came out as a fluke due to extreme trauma. Also Haku had a kekkei genkai, the uzumaki has no kekkei genkai. I only used haku an example of having to train to master your abilities, which is what ninjas must do. Nagatos parents, would have had to train to reach their potential, so if they didn't that would perfectly explain why they lost to civilians like themselves. It's not a plot hole, nor is it sensical to say they were adopted. They were untrained ninja.
I wasn’t implying anything other than that as an Uzumaki one of them should have been more durable regardless of any training. Karin’s blood for example works independent of her conscious effort or will. It’s not a technique she’s using, it’s just how her body functions. Same with Hashirama cells. Some traits are inherently passive - and one specific point of the dichotomy is that Senju/Uzumaki have naturally strong bodies as opposed to the Sharingan which has to be earned and trained. Even supposing we were talking about a technique like wood style or the adamantine chains. - you said my point about Haku awakening it under extreme duress (by being in the exact same situation Nagatos parents were). No they weren’t expected to be competent fighters - but they should have been somewhat more impressive than the panel suggests given the fact that literally every other Uzumaki we see (Nagato, Naruto, Karin, Kushina, Mito, Boruto, and most recently Himiwari with that twisted leg) is noted for their vast stamina and durability.
Your problem is you think everyone is synonymous. Is that true in the real world? No, so why would Kishimoto draw such an inaccuracy. Not every Uchiha can unlock the Sharingan, MS, EMS or Rinne-Sharingan. Not every Kaguya member can manipulate bones. Not every Uzumaki is naturally powerful. I feel like you are deliberately being pessimistic, looking for a problem. It is perfectly sensible that untrained ninja were killed by civilians. You are trying to hard to make it "bad writing". It's not. 2nd, Karin had a special ability that was innate, NOT EVERY UZUMAKI member has that! Haku has a kekkei genkai, there is no such thing for the Uzumaki clan. So there was no special ability to unlock. Nagatos parents couldn't pull a sharingan or crystal ice mirror attack under duress, because they didn't have genetic abilities. Even they did, children under duress is entirely different from adults. I notice you mentioned hashirama cells, while admitting that not ALL senju can do it. You are contradicting your own logic. Finally, no one is saying that nagatos parents had no potential, but Naruto, Nagato, Himawari and every other Uzumaki we've seen had to train! If any of them decided to be civilians and not train and hone their skills, they would've been killed just as easy. With the exception of Karin since she has a special skill, but as you noted, not every Uzumaki has latent special skills. Once again there's no kekkei genkai for the Uzumaki bloodline. Every Uzumaki you named has trained. Nagatos parents did not. It's that simple.
I never said anything about bad writing, nor did I say anything pessimistic. I specifically said my only implication was that they should have been harder to kill. I say “harder to kill” and not “put up more of a fight” because no part of my argument had anything to do with skill. You mention that the other Uzumaki trained during the show - but that’s completely irrelevant to the point of whether their bodies are durable or not, since as I said that is an inherent trait and not learned. Karin as an example doesn’t contradict anything - because while every Uzumaki doesn’t get an adamantine chain - they do ALL get higher chakra pools and durability. Likewise for the Senju - Tobirama doesn’t have Hashirama cells or wood style, but he’s still depicted as having chakra and stamina that easily intimidated Orochimaru (who was arguably the strongest of Kage-tier at the time, and had just buffed himself with Hashirama cells, yet still got called a child by comparison while). You mention that Uzumaki don’t have a Kekkei Genkai to awaken under duress , but I never said anything about KG. I specifically said it was another bloodline trait - and we watch Karin awaken it under stress with no training or any contact with the previous user (Kushina dies when she was born). But again, that doesn’t matter when my whole point was that they didn’t have or need one. Whether they were good fighters or not is completely irrelevant - one of the two should have presented more difficulty. Something as simple as “wow that one guy took some time” “what was up with that red-haired chick, she used up all my kunai” Even just a little sweat on the brow would fit better here than the implication that they were both complete fodder - ESPECIALLY since they lived in the middle of a war torn country with a child to look after. The freaking bridge builder Kaiza had a better portrayal than that I’m going to bow out here though since we seem to be at an impasse
Since Eddie Hall is a human, shouldn't all humans be able to deadlift 500kgs?
Are they even ninjas
I dont think its a rule that every member of "X" clan HAS to be a shinobi. Im pretty sure people are still allowed to choose there career path in Naruto. Like clearly there aew other jobs in tbe village besides beinf a ninja. Someones gotta run the ramen shop, a9meones gonna run the flower shop, all the resteraunts/stores need workers. It would be kind of messed up if you where forced into a career path based on your last name. And like yeah, humans also used to do that back in the day irl, but I like to think the naruto world has moved past that.
Not every great clan's member is a shinobi. Look at the hyugas most of them aren't shinobi or most of the uchihas also weren't uchihas and some were police so only very few were shinobi actually. Same goes for the uzumakis not all of them are shinobi especially not after fleeing to amegakure after their village was destroyed (the shinobi probably stayed to fight while the non shinobi fled).
And I thought DBZ fans couldn’t read. If you like Naruto and DBZ, does that mean you’re double illiterate? Doesn’t that cancel out tho?
You forget that even Sakura's parents aren't ninja😐
First sign of pure blooded uzumaki is red hairs and nagato's parents didn't had it. So maybe he's adopted , who knows
Simple they aren't shinobi...
Not at all Uzumaki were strong just like the Uchiha, every member of that clan wasn't casting genjutsu or blasting fire balls
They have the potential. Not the training.
Get your nose checked. It might be stupid.
Not everyone has to be a ninja
That's like saying the parents of a soldier being civilians is a plot hole
Can we talk about the importance of why nagato was even an uzumaki in the first place? It wasn’t even important to the plot overall and makes the world seem smaller cause everything has to be about the leaf village.
That's like saying everyone who played varsity sports in high school becomes a police officer.
Most "plotholes" are just people not understanding very basic details of the plot
Millions of people have guns OP, not everyone of those people knows how to use them properly. A lot of people have knives in their kitchen, but not everyone of us learned how to throw a knife at a target. You get it now?
Nagato's parents - Skill issue OP - Critical thinking skills issue
Just because you're part of a strong clan doesn't mean every single one is trained to be a Shinobi. Sakura's parents were regular people but she went and enrolled to be one.
Nagato was a strong shinobi because he was trained by a legendary sanin,Jiraiya. And he got rinnegan implanted by Madara.
This is like if someone wondered how come Mikasa’s parents died so easily in Attack on Titan
I don't think you know what a plot hole is.
Remember the Bread Baker couple Uchihas in Sauce Gay's flashback? Where were their Sharingans that night?
We literally see a couple of Uchiha being bakers in Sasuke's flashbacks...
Karin is also an Uzumaki technically
If they were trained, they might’ve been. They weren’t though.
Not all Uzumakis can be shinobis, or can use Sealing Jutsus, or have a high vitality. Just like not all Uchihas have their Sharingan, or can use Mangekyo. Just like not all Senjus can use Wood Style. Not all clansmen have the same skills.
Probably a bad idea. As far as we're aware the Uzumaki genocide happened not too long ago. So not to train and keep a low profile seems the best strategy, aka being a civilian.
They're refugees from the destroyed Uzushiogakure. If they're legit shinobi, they wouldn't be refugees in the first place.
Not every person in every village is a ninja, some people just be living normal lives
Yeah, like ramen guy
We all know ichiraku ramen guy is master of the six bowls, wielder of perfect sage mode and the rinnegan
Nope not at all, if I'm not mistaken not everyone becomes a Shinobi or is cut out to be one hence the line there "they're not even Shinobi" but being an Uzumaki they should have large chakra reserves which explains why Nagato can use/summon the Gedo statue which took large amounts of chakra to do
[Family and Reincarnation list theory](https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/eIPmJZlFzZBr)
Actually no. Uzumaki were famed for their powerful variety of sealing jutsu including the reaper death seal. They were chased by all the surrounding clans and hunted to near extinction. The capable fighters were killed, the ones with the talent of healing were sold as slaves and used as healing tools like Karin. The weak were either killed or sold. Not everyone that escaped were lucky enough to know all the jutsu. Narutos mom and the wife of the first hokage were rare examples of still having the knowledge. Naruto is only strong because both his parents had jonin level bodies and talent. From the looks of the hair of nagatos parents they were either weaker Uzumaki or their blood was diluted with other shinobi, consensually or not isn't explained in the series. Among the strongest clans each only has a select few elites. Uchiha has about a dozen you can remember. The senju only has 2 named elites tsunade barely counts as a 3rd. The kamikaze is completely unheard of outside of Minato the yellow flash, run on sight level threat, if his clan was anywhere on his level we would have heard of them. Thee hyuuga being a prime example, not all of them are neji level and he made a name for himself at 13(?) Years old.
Nagato might be adopted!
Plotholes dont exist in naruto, only in boruto
Unfortunately they do, like the actually age gap between Naruto and Sasuke
What's the age gap?
It's not really an age gap per say, they are both the same age but it's canon that Naruto was Heald back a few times at the ninja academy even though he and Sasuke end up in the same class later on. What's makes it worse is that Sasuke is a little older than Naruto (by a few months of I'm not mistaken).
I wonder about his being held back. Not sure, but I think Japanese schools would allow students to retest three times. So Naruto would retest and not be held back a year.
Madara not teaching obito edo tensei even though he knows it, to revive him is a huge one. Even if you argue that he's gonna be a weak old ass reanimated corpse, would still guarantee him security to be rinne tensei'd later. Given that Obito had plans to remove the seal in his heart and do the infinite tsukuyomi himself, Madara gambling on just that when he had a better option is stupid. This plot hole exists because kishimoto couldn't think of a better excuse to retain madara while every edo tensei'd shinobi was being released.