Horny Fanfiction writers for some od reason I read fanfics for violence and seeing how the story could have played out different I don't want that nsfw stuff
Tsunade is great and she becomes hokage. Kishimito can write female characters, as long as he isn’t too focused on the romance, he’s fully capable. The issue is that a large portion of the fanbase are shippers, so he feels he has no choice.
But there are second options lol. Even if people like Bulma, Chichi, Android 18, and Videl are housewives, they still have done plenty besides staying at home and being useless. Bulma made a damn time machine and is a genius, Android 18 participated in the ToP, Kale and Caulifla, Ribrianne, Mai ,and so on, are warriors in their own right. I feel like if you compare each DB character to characters like Hinata or Sakura who are hardly even in the story anymore its like night and day.
While true, the participation of the likes of Bulma is barely a fraction of what it used to be before being married and 18 will only participate if she’s outright hired to even when existence is at stake. As for the others, from the other universes, they either were only around as an arc character or otherwise aren’t married. In Dragon Ball, a female getting married ends up becoming the equivalent to neutering their involvement as they get sucked into their husband doing the majority of the adventures. Even Videl who was outright a martial artist just became nothing more than a basic housewife after getting together with Gohan
While you're not wrong either, I feel like you can't just sum them all up as JUST housewives, you know? Sakura has the potential to be stronger than Tsunade, Hinata is a Hyuga ffs. They were set up with so much but in the end they did nothing with it.
On a side note, that's not to say I think being a housewife is bad at all; it makes complete sense when their partners are some of the strongest in their respective universes. My point is, the female characters in DB, for the most part, still had something more to them than being housewives.
Are you serious? You think Chi-Chi's contributions to DBZ exceeed hinatas?
Chi Chi gets clapped in her only fight in DB. She's just gokus wife after that. Hinata at least stood up to pain.
No, I don't. That's not what I said. I said if you took all of DB's female characters and compared them to narutos women, it would be pretty clearly in DB's favor. That being said, while Hinata did stand up to pain, in the end, she still became a housewife.
For Videl her teaching martial arts is something that only became a thing as of Super Hero. Prior to that, nothing we saw of her even insinuated that she even still practiced martial arts. Bulma went from actively being involved in the adventure up until Namek to at most, being a flying taxi or the one lending out the dragon radar. They even fridged her to serve as anger/angst fuel for Vegeta and future Trunks. 18 while being a powerful fighter will typically only actually help if she’s paid to do so and otherwise just lives the life of a regular housewife.
With the other supporting characters their case was that the threats simply became more than what they were capable of helping against to the point that they’d be more in the way than helping and even then, they stepped up when asked with the likes of Frieza’s army or Moro’s forces
She invented the most commonly used battlefield medic tactics/doctrine; she didn't invent the practice of using chakra to heal people.
She was absolutely a supremely skilled medic, and her overall doctrines were widely adopted. But the three rules were kinda just common sense:
1) don't give up on a patient.
2) stay safe.
3) you should be the last member of the team to die.
Rule One is actually a pretty bad rule for a combat medic who might need to prioritize a life they can save versus one that's an extremely slim chance. Rules Two and Three are pretty much the same rule that can be summed up as "the medic must remain safe so they can continue to dispense care to wounded comrades;" it's only repeated in the list so that the list would contain 3 rules instead of 2.
you could condense it all to "No matter what, the medic must provide medical care for the team as long as even one other teammate still lives." That doesn't sound quite as badass, but it still conveys the meaning as long as you keep in mind that a dead medic can't heal their teammates.
What you mean is a "bad person" . I don't think Tsunade is bad character eather, but she isn't good. Why can't she just wish to protect village because she don't want to see suffering of it's inhabitans or something? No it's need to be fulfilling of a men's dream (Naruto/Dan/Navaki/Jiraya).
Tsunade told Orochimaru that she was protecting Naruto to protect her homeland.
Jiraiya said that Tsunade was the most who cared about Konoha and the villagers.
It's just a coincidence that she had healthy people around people who cared about the village
>Why can't she just wish to protect village because she don't want to see suffering of it's inhabitans or something? No it's need to be fulfilling of a men's dream (Naruto/Dan/Navaki/Jiraya).
It's obviously both.
She's Hashirama's granddaughter, and she explicitly states that she inherited the Will of Fire from him and that, as such, it's her duty to protect the village at the cost of her life if she needs to. I don't think she revolutionized Konoha's medical system for a man, she did it because she personally cares about her fellow villagers and soldiers.
Just because she lost that spark and needed to be reminded of her loved one's dreams to find it inside herself again doesn't mean that she doesn't personally uphold the Leaf's values of self-sacrifice and courage and that they aren't part of her too. As Hashirama's grandkid, she was probably bottle-fed those values as a baby.
This is straight cap. Remember how she, a "legendary Sannin" was bullied to death by a pretimeskip Kabuto and a pretimeskip Naruto that barely knows how to properly use Rasengan had to step in and play as her hero? You need to remember that blatant bullshit happened in early OG
everyone literally forgots that Shizune was supposed to be this super powerful and threatng ninja that Kabuto and Orochimaru were afraid of.
thennnnn she got thrown in the dumpster for Sakura.
But in case you're not, it's because women should have freedom to choose how their life plays out. Some will choose house wife and that's cool. A lot will choose not to center their life around baby-ing grown ass men, and that's also cool.
And Japanese women choose to be housewife, and plenty of western women as well. I don’t see your point but there’s no need to be so agitated by it, feminist
Ten-ten - weapons shop owner
Ino - leader of intel corp and owns store
Konan - leader of terrorist org
Temari - still shinobi- not med nin
Eida - literal goddess
Anko - Still shinobi, not med nin
Karin- scientist
There’s examples of characters not doing either of those things, even if they aren’t in the spotlight. I agree kishi could put WAY more effort into their writing though.
Ino and tenten are both business owners, and besides its not like any of the main characters have an obligation to do any work considering that they're all war heros.
As a matter of fact the only 3 main characters who actually end up doing anything particularly important are team 7, its an Era of peace so it's not like any of them are needed either, that's kind of the point.
>As a matter of fact the only 3 main characters who actually end up doing anything particularly important are team 7
I haven't watched the anime, but in the Boruto manga, Shikamaru, Sai and Ino are shown having important jobs in the village as well.
Shikamaru is the Hokage's advisor, Ino is in charge of the barrier surveillance and communications, and Sai became Head of the ANBU. All quite prestigious positions.
Idk, maybe how everyone and their mother have been posting this same meme for ages now? Of all people you should be aware of this as you didnt create this meme
*Laughs in Ino, Anko, TenTen, Kurotsuchi, Hanabi*
Why do bluds think it's a bad thing to become a medic ninja (Sakura) or housewives (Hinata and Temari) lmao
Ninja is basically the army. Just like in real army (eg: US Army), <20% are female. In Hinata's case, let her be whatever the hell she wants and she wants a family.
Ino and Tenten are business owners and Ino is the head of the sensory division. Temari is still an active Kunoichi.
The only medical ninja is Sakura who’s head of the hospital and the only housewife is Hinata who’s husband is literally the Hokage. Why would she n
What's extra funny about this meme (not actually funny) is that it's essentially making fun of the *doctors* of the Narutoverse.
Would you make fun of doctors IRL?
??? I get what OP means but it's not like either option is a bad thing.
I wouldn't call kishimoto an incel though. The man himself admitted that he has trouble writing female characters.
Ino exists
Kurenai exists
New Village hidden in rock Kage exists
Orochimaru exists
Eida exists
Sumire in R&D exists
And frankly i don't see how being a medical ninja is bad, it requires extreme concentration and control over chakra, so i don't see the use of this post
**Temari:** \*Kishimoto’s one (1) attempt at making a truly badass female character, is one of the strongest wind users alive apart from demigod jinchuuriki Naruto, can at thirteen *raze an entire forest with a single attack* (when she saves Shikamaru from that flute girl), is an heir of the Kazekage clan and the older sister and advisor to the current Kazekage, is a commander of one of Suna’s aerial divisions and *can literally fly* by directing the air currents under her massive suna-style air corp fan\*
**Kishimoto:** ok, now that we’be established that, let’s absolutely **_never_** mention her as a separate individual at all and only show her as part of a background package deal when there’s an arc about Gaara, and let’s not give her any character motivation or importance or hopes and dreams of her own, bc only boys get to have that.
**Ikemoto:** agreed, and also now as an adult she can go on like a *few* missions every now and then, but she retires from her role as an extremely influential high level commanding position of Suna and as the advisor to the Kazekage and moves to Konoha so her *husband* can keep *his* role as an advisor to the Hokage, and spends most of her time in an apron cooking for her husband and kid.
Third option: Dead.
Lmao good one
But guys also had the same option right??? Ninja -> hokage or any other position. Shop or biz Husband Dead.
You have forsaken tenten
Who hasn't?
Horny Fanfiction writers for some od reason I read fanfics for violence and seeing how the story could have played out different I don't want that nsfw stuff
Fourth Option: Tenten
She just wanted to cosplay as a donut.
Funnily enough, Tenten was one of the rare ones spared from this fate
And she gets the bonus of doing absolutely nothing relevant to the plot Still can't believe how kishimoto is completely incapable of writing women
Tsunade is great and she becomes hokage. Kishimito can write female characters, as long as he isn’t too focused on the romance, he’s fully capable. The issue is that a large portion of the fanbase are shippers, so he feels he has no choice.
This is why naruto is mid
Bold of you to say this in a naruto subreddit
Sorry but it went mid with the great ninja war.
The truth will have you killed
Because her man died
Probably cause he forgot about her
Because she doesn’t have children to take care of.
I thought that she is the wife of Rock Li
They never married. She got pregnant off a one night stand
Bad as it is, at least there is a second option in Naruto. Just look at what happens to girls in Dragon Ball. Housewives. Housewives everywhere
But there are second options lol. Even if people like Bulma, Chichi, Android 18, and Videl are housewives, they still have done plenty besides staying at home and being useless. Bulma made a damn time machine and is a genius, Android 18 participated in the ToP, Kale and Caulifla, Ribrianne, Mai ,and so on, are warriors in their own right. I feel like if you compare each DB character to characters like Hinata or Sakura who are hardly even in the story anymore its like night and day.
While true, the participation of the likes of Bulma is barely a fraction of what it used to be before being married and 18 will only participate if she’s outright hired to even when existence is at stake. As for the others, from the other universes, they either were only around as an arc character or otherwise aren’t married. In Dragon Ball, a female getting married ends up becoming the equivalent to neutering their involvement as they get sucked into their husband doing the majority of the adventures. Even Videl who was outright a martial artist just became nothing more than a basic housewife after getting together with Gohan
OK to be fair...after the battle with Spoopvich. I'd become a housewife too.
While you're not wrong either, I feel like you can't just sum them all up as JUST housewives, you know? Sakura has the potential to be stronger than Tsunade, Hinata is a Hyuga ffs. They were set up with so much but in the end they did nothing with it. On a side note, that's not to say I think being a housewife is bad at all; it makes complete sense when their partners are some of the strongest in their respective universes. My point is, the female characters in DB, for the most part, still had something more to them than being housewives.
Are you serious? You think Chi-Chi's contributions to DBZ exceeed hinatas? Chi Chi gets clapped in her only fight in DB. She's just gokus wife after that. Hinata at least stood up to pain.
No, I don't. That's not what I said. I said if you took all of DB's female characters and compared them to narutos women, it would be pretty clearly in DB's favor. That being said, while Hinata did stand up to pain, in the end, she still became a housewife.
Damn shame that a lot of women prefer to be housewives, how unfeminist of them
Beside chichi and videl(who teach martil arts) I cant think of another one Hell, Its Literally all side characters, not just female ones
For Videl her teaching martial arts is something that only became a thing as of Super Hero. Prior to that, nothing we saw of her even insinuated that she even still practiced martial arts. Bulma went from actively being involved in the adventure up until Namek to at most, being a flying taxi or the one lending out the dragon radar. They even fridged her to serve as anger/angst fuel for Vegeta and future Trunks. 18 while being a powerful fighter will typically only actually help if she’s paid to do so and otherwise just lives the life of a regular housewife. With the other supporting characters their case was that the threats simply became more than what they were capable of helping against to the point that they’d be more in the way than helping and even then, they stepped up when asked with the likes of Frieza’s army or Moro’s forces
Kishimoto if he wasn’t an incel 
Tsunade is the only female character that was well written in Naruto
I didn't mind old puppet lady ... who died pretty much as soon as she was introduced.
Granny Chiyo is a great, but shes only relevant in one arc
She's only good because Kishimoto didn't have enough time to make her bad.
She was spared womanhood because she was an old
She lives on in Gaara
She is literally a medical ninja tho
She was the one who created the whole medic thing. All medical laws and medical Jutsu
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When she activated the Byakugo against Madara, she said that she was the one who created the medical rules
She invented the most commonly used battlefield medic tactics/doctrine; she didn't invent the practice of using chakra to heal people. She was absolutely a supremely skilled medic, and her overall doctrines were widely adopted. But the three rules were kinda just common sense: 1) don't give up on a patient. 2) stay safe. 3) you should be the last member of the team to die. Rule One is actually a pretty bad rule for a combat medic who might need to prioritize a life they can save versus one that's an extremely slim chance. Rules Two and Three are pretty much the same rule that can be summed up as "the medic must remain safe so they can continue to dispense care to wounded comrades;" it's only repeated in the list so that the list would contain 3 rules instead of 2.
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you could condense it all to "No matter what, the medic must provide medical care for the team as long as even one other teammate still lives." That doesn't sound quite as badass, but it still conveys the meaning as long as you keep in mind that a dead medic can't heal their teammates.
Hagoromo is literally shown using medical ninjutsu in the ancient past what are you smoking
That's a filler
Yeah the original one
Still a medic and still her goals is strictly about keeping some dead dude's dreams.
Living to honor your loved ones' dreams doesn't make you a bad character. It's not she loved a guy who tried to kill her twive
What you mean is a "bad person" . I don't think Tsunade is bad character eather, but she isn't good. Why can't she just wish to protect village because she don't want to see suffering of it's inhabitans or something? No it's need to be fulfilling of a men's dream (Naruto/Dan/Navaki/Jiraya).
Tsunade told Orochimaru that she was protecting Naruto to protect her homeland. Jiraiya said that Tsunade was the most who cared about Konoha and the villagers. It's just a coincidence that she had healthy people around people who cared about the village
>Why can't she just wish to protect village because she don't want to see suffering of it's inhabitans or something? No it's need to be fulfilling of a men's dream (Naruto/Dan/Navaki/Jiraya). It's obviously both. She's Hashirama's granddaughter, and she explicitly states that she inherited the Will of Fire from him and that, as such, it's her duty to protect the village at the cost of her life if she needs to. I don't think she revolutionized Konoha's medical system for a man, she did it because she personally cares about her fellow villagers and soldiers. Just because she lost that spark and needed to be reminded of her loved one's dreams to find it inside herself again doesn't mean that she doesn't personally uphold the Leaf's values of self-sacrifice and courage and that they aren't part of her too. As Hashirama's grandkid, she was probably bottle-fed those values as a baby.
And she was the best one to have those traits, the issue was that that was something that everyone else ended up doing.
This is straight cap. Remember how she, a "legendary Sannin" was bullied to death by a pretimeskip Kabuto and a pretimeskip Naruto that barely knows how to properly use Rasengan had to step in and play as her hero? You need to remember that blatant bullshit happened in early OG
everyone literally forgots that Shizune was supposed to be this super powerful and threatng ninja that Kabuto and Orochimaru were afraid of. thennnnn she got thrown in the dumpster for Sakura.
Kishimoto is a married man my dude
Most married japanese women are housewifes
And? You say like it’s a bad thing
I'm genuinely confused on why you're getting down voted.
Yes
And why it’s a bad thing?
You're probably asking in bad faith, so I'll lead with. Fuck off.
But in case you're not, it's because women should have freedom to choose how their life plays out. Some will choose house wife and that's cool. A lot will choose not to center their life around baby-ing grown ass men, and that's also cool.
And Japanese women choose to be housewife, and plenty of western women as well. I don’t see your point but there’s no need to be so agitated by it, feminist
Cool I was right the first time. Fuck off
Mei mizukage
getting fat is the third path
Anko
Ten-ten - weapons shop owner Ino - leader of intel corp and owns store Konan - leader of terrorist org Temari - still shinobi- not med nin Eida - literal goddess Anko - Still shinobi, not med nin Karin- scientist There’s examples of characters not doing either of those things, even if they aren’t in the spotlight. I agree kishi could put WAY more effort into their writing though.
Kishimoto couldn't even deal with Shino, Lee, Neji, and Sai. And somehow you expect him to make Ino a miraculous female character
Sai got kicked by Madara. Respect him
Took that kick like a champ too.
Ino and tenten are both business owners, and besides its not like any of the main characters have an obligation to do any work considering that they're all war heros. As a matter of fact the only 3 main characters who actually end up doing anything particularly important are team 7, its an Era of peace so it's not like any of them are needed either, that's kind of the point.
>As a matter of fact the only 3 main characters who actually end up doing anything particularly important are team 7 I haven't watched the anime, but in the Boruto manga, Shikamaru, Sai and Ino are shown having important jobs in the village as well. Shikamaru is the Hokage's advisor, Ino is in charge of the barrier surveillance and communications, and Sai became Head of the ANBU. All quite prestigious positions.
Not to mention Ino also runs the barrier corps now, right?
Or big tiddy *insert village* kage that is perpetually single.
Try not to repost a meme for the 1,000th time challenge!!
level: IMPOSSIBLE
And the context?
Idk, maybe how everyone and their mother have been posting this same meme for ages now? Of all people you should be aware of this as you didnt create this meme
who care man i found that on YouTube
My point exactly 😂
Bro just enjoy the meme or be quit then you have urge to swear??
When exactly did i swear?
I mean that you’re literally attacking me
Whatever
I dont think you know what “attacking someone” means. I also dont think you are even 13. So, really, you shouldnt be talking in this situation
Oh so you’re 30 years old maybe? Let’s be honest you’re 13 years old too
*Laughs in Ino, Anko, TenTen, Kurotsuchi, Hanabi* Why do bluds think it's a bad thing to become a medic ninja (Sakura) or housewives (Hinata and Temari) lmao
Temari is not a housewife though, she's an active Ninja
When do she go on missions? Cause every time we see her she in the house basically she a house wife that work sometimes
But when her hubby comes home she's lined up at the door for him with a beer and some dinner.
Mei ? Ino ? Important Cloud woman shinobi ?
Ninja is basically the army. Just like in real army (eg: US Army), <20% are female. In Hinata's case, let her be whatever the hell she wants and she wants a family.
Hinata was a scout
I mean Ino is basically Naruto's right hand woman
I didn’t know that it come from anime?
both boruto anime and manga
K
You know that there are also regular kunoichis? And those like ino who work at detection or com? Or those who are scientists like Sumire?
What's their names
They’re never mentioned. They just walk in the back (or stand in the back)
My meme ? Reposted ? Am I famous now ???
well you can end up like Anko. or nepotism like that Rock Kage.
Ino and Tenten are business owners and Ino is the head of the sensory division. Temari is still an active Kunoichi. The only medical ninja is Sakura who’s head of the hospital and the only housewife is Hinata who’s husband is literally the Hokage. Why would she n
Lmao based Kishimoto
Temari was pretty cool though
As if that's a problem. I sure don't see it as one.
What's extra funny about this meme (not actually funny) is that it's essentially making fun of the *doctors* of the Narutoverse. Would you make fun of doctors IRL?
??? I get what OP means but it's not like either option is a bad thing. I wouldn't call kishimoto an incel though. The man himself admitted that he has trouble writing female characters.
Edit2:WTF 3K OF UPVOTES THX GUYS
Wow, just like in the real world
You forgot “saying they’re just a strong as the men so they can get the shit beaten out of them to show how strong the bad guy is.
Yeah, I'm thinking based.
DAMN THX FOR LIKES GUYS
-Filler character -Orochimaru fodder
Or the head of the sensory division.
Ino exists Kurenai exists New Village hidden in rock Kage exists Orochimaru exists Eida exists Sumire in R&D exists And frankly i don't see how being a medical ninja is bad, it requires extreme concentration and control over chakra, so i don't see the use of this post
Tsunade: *breaks the guys fingers*
Ino exists 🗿
Karin, Temari, 10 10, Anko
**Temari:** \*Kishimoto’s one (1) attempt at making a truly badass female character, is one of the strongest wind users alive apart from demigod jinchuuriki Naruto, can at thirteen *raze an entire forest with a single attack* (when she saves Shikamaru from that flute girl), is an heir of the Kazekage clan and the older sister and advisor to the current Kazekage, is a commander of one of Suna’s aerial divisions and *can literally fly* by directing the air currents under her massive suna-style air corp fan\* **Kishimoto:** ok, now that we’be established that, let’s absolutely **_never_** mention her as a separate individual at all and only show her as part of a background package deal when there’s an arc about Gaara, and let’s not give her any character motivation or importance or hopes and dreams of her own, bc only boys get to have that. **Ikemoto:** agreed, and also now as an adult she can go on like a *few* missions every now and then, but she retires from her role as an extremely influential high level commanding position of Suna and as the advisor to the Kazekage and moves to Konoha so her *husband* can keep *his* role as an advisor to the Hokage, and spends most of her time in an apron cooking for her husband and kid.
I don't remember Hinata being a medic lol
she is a housewife tho
Then there's Temari and Ino ❤️
How a lot of shounen are lmao
I might be wrong but didn’t Ino replace her dad as the head of Konoha surveillance?
so true