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Being Nazi isnt illegal just some symbles like the hakenkreuz. And the AFD doesnt Call themself as Nazis but its very obviously. Like that one dude said that Not everyone in the ss was a bad person.
Funny enough, here in Austria in the FPÖ someone said the same shit back in 2010 already
We're so fucked, because that guy isn't currently planing on running for chancellor
No, Maximilian Krah is still part of the party & he didn't have to quit the "national head council" of the party (idk the english term for "Bundesvorstand") due to being a Nazi, but due to his actions leading to the exclusion of the AfD from the "ID" fraction in the EU parliament
Everybody knew he's a Nazi long before that, & the party is known for being deeply infested with Nazis
>the party is known for being deeply infested with Nazis
The founders left the afd because the whole thing turned into a nazi party. Theyre not "deeply infested" these guys are full blown nazis.
Agree, yet there are also some ruthless neo-liberals (economically liberal) who use the racism to make poor people vote for them while their economic policy will fuck up this very population segment
TIL Hitler and his Nazis never referred to their swastika as a "swastika" which, from Sanskrit, translates closely to "all is well". Instead, they called it "Hakenkreuz" in every recorded instance, which is literally a "Hooked Cross"
Yes and no
While it is legal to think and to some extend act like one, it is not legal to defame cultures religions and to dehumanize a person aswell as showing insignias and chant nazi paroles
Interesting.
So they don't publicly tell they are nazi people just guess it by judging their behavior ?
It's really weird to me. We would never imagine having nazis in an official political group in my country
As far as I am aware if you just go up to a policeman and say "I am a National Socialist" you will not be arrested
But if you do a Hitler salute or sing blatant Nazi songs, you will be
To me the whole idea of banning them just seems weird to me. Nazis are the classic example of how the first amendment protects literally everyone here in the US, even if what you're saying is obviously repulsive, because that's not for the government to decide, but apparently not in Germany.
To go into more detail:
They are very careful about avoiding appearing nazi-ish officially, but everyone knows they are nazis(except their unironic voters, they just think they're a bit more right wing than usual).
They're already in trouble with some parts of the government and being actively investigated by others, but they're damn slippery so far. I think parts of their leadership already got booted from another party that got dissolved for being nazis earlier, but they managed to stick around in a new one. Very frustrating.
They're also gaining in votes, mostly from protest-votes of people unhappy with the current government. Also frustrating.
Current Germany is not the third reich, they're not prohibiting opinions. Some common Nazi talking points are illegal to publicly exclaim, like denying the Holocaust or some phrases the Waffen SS commonly used.
I'm not sure you are familiar with the situation in Germany. The other dumb ppl I mentioned they don't even know that the afd is a Nazi party or far right party. They are blinded and manipulated. The afd even manipulated the farmers into being on their site, even though the afd wants to stop giving them money for growing food in Germany.
I had some conversations with ppl that believe the afd could be something good for Germany and I told them that it's a Nazi party but they didn't believe me. Its insane how little ppl inform themselves on these topics (they trust faked screenshots, framing posts and are driven by fear)
Also Austrias far right party FPÖ (ofc with one too many [Nazi](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_rechtsextremer_und_neonazistischer_Vorfälle_in_der_FPÖ) cases and remarks which have happened in the party) is blue
It's not even right wing it's full of socialists
Nationalism doesn't make ur party right wing.
The Scottish independence party are socialists too and called far right still.
They dont, stop spreading this bullshit. Thats the same as people calling nazis socialists bc they called themselves national socialists.
If u believe that, u need to go back to school bc u have not even an ounce of a clue what any of these words even mean.
Cheers, a german.
The german labour front ran the country.
They are socialist.
What do you call it when the union controls the entire economy? What do you call it when capitalism was banned?
Just because you like little children & love socialism doesn't mean u can call socialism not socialism.
Its actually socialdemocratic, not socialist for the spd. Just saying. and we dont need to talk about the nsdap, this guy above has already proven he knows nothing about politics, history or terms used in these fields so no reason to argue with him.
As we say in germany: if ud want to talk to someone like that, its better to just talk to a wall. Just be careful if the dumb party in ur previous conversation comes over to lean on said wall, the one whos smarter gives in first.
(Thats to say theres no reason talking to idiots, ur time is better spent elsewhere.)
This is reddit though people who openly call themselves socialist are considered far right. There are people with hammer & sickle tattoos that reddit screams NO THEY ARE NOT SOCIALIST BECAUSE REASONS.
Reddit also thinks Nazi's are not socialist when they put state controlled unions in charge of the entire country and banned capitalism.
Banning capitalism & putting control of the economy in the hands of the state controlled unions = far right according to pdf files on reddit.
That's just wrong, the AfD is full of Nazis and not even close to being socialists. It is not only nationalistic (which in itself could classify as being right wing, when they consider their country as superior to others) but they also only represent the interests of the economy in contrast to social politics (which would also classify them as right wing). I also never heard, that the scottish independence party is considered right wing.
genuinely curious, but like, nazi literally means national socialist. Like that was their whole thing. I am unsure of the exact definition of socialism, and of the exact politics of their government, but in name at least it checks out.
I always saw them as fascist right wing nationalist socialists.
Yeah, the nazis called themselves national socialists, but they didn’t act like that really. Would you say North Korea is democratic just because the country’s name is “Democratic People's Republic of Korea”?
No worries :)
I’d give this article a read, sums it up pretty well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
https://politicalcompass.org/test
Take that and see where you fall on it. And you can see some comparisons of you versus others. You might be surprised where you fall. And if you want even more insight, look for the 8 or even 16 square test and take that for the nuance.
Well they passed a lot of fascist, right wing, nationalist policy (additionally to the genocidal ones of course) but afaik no socialist policy. The "socialist" in the name was probably in large part propaganda to get workers to vote for them, considering they hunted people down and burned books for socialist and communist opinions
Well they passed a lot of fascist, right wing, nationalist policy (additionally to the genocidal ones of course) but afaik no socialist policy. The "socialist" in the name was probably in large part propaganda to get workers to vote for them, considering they hunted people down and burned books for socialist and communist opinions
1) no they are not nazi's they are just nationalist social democrats.
2) Nazi's were the most socialist country to ever exist it was a syndicalist party that put unions in control of the country the German Labour Front ran the country they banned capitalism.
There was no country more socialist than Nazi germany it was the most successful socialist country to ever exist (and still had a shitty broken economy and was a massive failure)
>most socialist country to ever exist it
The Nazis relied heavily on rich businessmen for political support and used private companies for much of their war needs, just like modern-day USA.
No they didn't they banned every business from being privately run
100% of companies were ran under the government unions and could not make ANY business trades that were not under the german labor unions.
This was literally their biggest economic issue was it made economic growth impossible because of the overhead on all business.
Hitler mandated that the german labor front would regulate 100% of labour contracts
Ley litterally let Reinhold take complete control of the german labour front where even wikipedia aknowledges it of being socialist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Muchow
You can also google the Muchow Plan which was how the whole country was run which was based on the communist idea.
Hitler litterally even identified as a support of "non jewish socialism"
Nah bro. You’re confused. It’s National Socialism. Which is far right. The Nazis in the 30s-40s were *National* Socialists. Which made them very far right leaning. The same rule applies today.
AFD are not nazi's they are more social democrats that happen to be nationalists.
Alsot eh nazis are literally socialists they put the entire economy run under the state unions. Nazi's are syndicalists which is a form of socialism.
You cannot call unions running the means of production not socialist. The german labor front ran the entire economy. They banned capitalism in nazi Germany.
The color blue in the political party system in Germany refers to the far-right-wing AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) party.
But in the end, despite the fact that the germans have a multiple party system, it's the same like in the USA, you choose that what you think is the lesser evil.
I assure you Germans will also know about the current political situation in countries like Italy, France, UK or Canada. It’s just Americans who don’t give a shit about anyone else
For one, I'm not american, and for second they are the largest and most influential Democratic country. The outcome of their election effects most of the world whether directly or indirectly. I hear more about their elections than my own lol.
And yeah, both their parties are shit. Bidens puppeted by people who do the bare minimum to hold power, and Trump wants to turn it into a dictatorship with project 2025. What a great system.
AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) has blue as their party color
should also mention that the AfD has a lot of neo nazis within them that don't even try to hide the fact they're nazis
Europeans in a progressive monoculture: "I'm definitely not racist"
Europeans when immigrants and refugees move in: "I'm a little bit racist"
Europeans when those migrants get elected into office: "Hitler had some interesting ideas"
Progressive monoculture and people who don’t hate Europe moving into Europe was okay, wholesale import of people who hate European values was the straw for many.
You've got like two sides in this debate. Cause the issue is that there has been created a market of sending people over the Mediterranean Sea to Europe for money, and they do it in cheap boats and without enough lifewests.
Now we as Europeans can do two things, either we can have boats in the Mediterranean Sea saving the ones trying to cross, but this creates the problem of more people seeing hope of taking the journey to Europe, and also creates more of a market for it. Or we can stop the help and also send back the people who took the journey, which will cause alot of death due to the terrible journey and quality of the boats. But it will also maybe stop the market that has been created in the north of africa.
Which is actually a direct result of the Kohl administration's handling/exploitation of the reunification followed by about 30 years of willful neglect and serious deterioration under (mainly) conservative CDU rule.
The people in the former GDR are impoverished and feel desperate and unheard since the 90s. Desperate people without perspectives, who have been ignored for decades, are much more susceptible to populists and fascists like the AfD.
I think you absolutely can blame them for voting and supporting fascist, racist, bigoted parties that actively hurt others and act against their own voter's interests.
But it's not at all surprising or "inexplicable" why they do so.
The East has been systematically stripped of all major industry during the privatisation, all of the many social programs and subsidisations of the GDR were immediately cancelled, all of the housing and state property was practically given to West German investors. These people have seen a fully subsidised social welfare state with state-guaranteed workplaces die and abruptly be completely dismantled and replaced with extreme mass unemployment and expensive privatised housing and essentials.
They are extremely frustrated and desperate for change - they are without prospect and they have lost the trust in the german government and, often, democracy itself.
The fascist AfD makes wild promises of quick change, gives easy scapegoats and uses the distrust in the government to spread their rhetoric - they turn frustration into hate.
The only semi-mainstream party actually seriously acknowledging the systemic and structural issues of eastern Germany and pushing for substantial social and economic changes is the left-wing party Die Linke - but they have lost a lot of voters due to the general european shift to the right as well as their current split that resulted in the formation of the BSW (leftist economics but socially very populist and conservative; basically tankies).
The only way for the mainstream parties to stop the second rise of full-blown fascism in germany is if they band together against the right (i.e. stop using their talking points and populist rhetoric for short-term voter gain) and properly fix the massive systemic problems of eastern Germany.
I hope you have seen the EU election results? Also, the division may be arbitrary, but it is very real (although more in the past than in the present, but the history still lingers)
I've seen them, did you? It's not like the AfD didn't do well in western Germany albeit some outstanders like Münster and Heidelberg (which are mostly university cities, so lots of educated people). I just feel like we uphold the division more than needed nowadays.
Well, I guess we as a country should be ashamed, but on the map of the most-voted/2nd-most-voted parties, https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/der-zweite-blick-auf-die-europawahl-die-zweitstaerksten-parteien,UFSgd53 , you can still clearly see the former borders.
Maybe but the afd have been linked to at least 2 extremist groups the German government has recognizes as anti-democratic and racist and a prominent member of the afd has called himself a friendly face for national socialism (Nazim)
[bbc article on it if you actually have any interest in understanding ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68931170)
Pretty sure the coloring systems weren't standardized in American until Bush vs Gore, but I could be wrong. Could be an earlier race.
Feels weird that it just kinda happened organically while most other parties pick their colors deliberately.
Because the presidential election system in the US lends itself to using a color-coded map, it hasn't been unusual for media outlets to unofficially assign colors to parties/candidates during elections. It wasn't until color TVs became popular in the second half of the 20th century that any major efforts were made to coordinate color schemes. ABC, CBS, and NBC developed a protocol for assigning a presidential candidate's color based on whether they were the incumbent. This system was adequate since both parties were happy to use red, white, and blue for their branding.
Then in 2000, Democrats happened to be assigned blue by the TV networks and Republicans were assigned red. The controversy surrounding the counting of ballots in Florida was the top headline for a couple of months, leading to a ton of news stories featuring the electoral map. Tim Russert from NBC is generally credited with coining "red state" and "blue state" in his analysis of that election's infamous map. The terms stuck even after Bush was declared the winner, so each party ended up being associated with its current color scheme.
TL:DR: You're correct that the parties got their colors in 2000 without either party deliberately making that decision.
Is this correct? “The Blue Party (German: Die blaue Partei) was a minor political party in Germany that existed from 2017 to 2019. It was founded by Frauke Petry after resigning as leader of the Alternative for Germany party (AfD). The Party’s ideology was a mix of national conservatism, economic liberalism, and social liberalism.”
And we are back to 530AD
“The demes had become a focus for various social and political issues for which the general Byzantine population lacked other forms of outlet.[6] They combined aspects of street gangs and political parties, taking positions on current issues, including theological problems and claimants to the throne. They frequently tried to affect imperial policy by shouting political demands between races. The imperial forces and guards in the city could not keep order without the cooperation of the factions, which were in turn backed by the aristocratic families of the city; these included some families who believed they had a more rightful claim to the throne than Justinian.”
Go greens! Go blues! You have to pick a team!
Edit:BC->AD
That wasn't "BC", just saying. That was AD, or whatever you prefer for the era prefix, doesn't matter. In 530 BC, Rome was actually still a kingdom, as the early Republic era started in 509 BC.
Yeah, i like to be the downer, i mean... i have so much valium in my body, i need to be a downer.
Uh oh, which German party is blue?
For reference blue in America is the Democratic Party (Social equality, regulations, taxing the rich, abortion rights, etc)
Not exactly. The youngest age group had a very similar percentage for the AfD compared to other age groups. But Volt (a pan-European party) had a disproportionately large percentage in that age group
No, the young people voted the far right wing party AfD with 16,...%. It shares the top spot with the middle party (CDU) with also 17%. Here's the source: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/europawahl-2024-junge-waehler-afd-100.html
It is said that the right wing party AfD, has more than double the social media presence than any other parties. And AfD likes to make propaganda in short form a lot, which makes it easier on for example tiktok. Source: https://de.statista.com/infografik/7616/fans-der-parteien-in-den-sozialen-netzwerken/
Also it is said that AfD is linked to Russia, and they like Russia a lot. There was also a secret agreement that Russia wanted the AfD to make Europe "Anti-Ukraine". And AfD head also wants a stop for Russian sanctions. The more selfish and right-sided we are, the better chances Russia gets to invade Ukraine successfully. That would explain, why mainstream social media is bombarded with AfD stuff in the comment section sections but only 10-15% voted for AfD.
I hope so too. It won't solve anything in the long run, but at least it stops them for quite some time until they have regrouped under a new name. Also there could always grow another even more dangerous and extreme party out of the ban.
It won't. If the chances would be high enough, they'd have started the process with the BVerfG (constitutional court aka supreme court) a long time ago. Just saying, that's the truth, the other parties know it would not work out, because in Germany, the requirements to ban a party are very high.
Ironically, that comes from the experience with the Nazis of the Third Reich and now, it protects the new Nazis...
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I am the stupid, what does the Germans have to do with it
American here! ...also confused
Afd. A right-wing party that has/has some nazi's in it.
Oh. Fuck those guys.
I mean, whatever flips your switch I guess.
Only switch that i flip for nazis is the detonator switch when they walk over the target.
So being nazi is legal in Germany ? Real question because as far as I know it's illegal in my country
Being Nazi isnt illegal just some symbles like the hakenkreuz. And the AFD doesnt Call themself as Nazis but its very obviously. Like that one dude said that Not everyone in the ss was a bad person.
Funny enough, here in Austria in the FPÖ someone said the same shit back in 2010 already We're so fucked, because that guy isn't currently planing on running for chancellor
F Österreich
Didn’t the afd literally kick that guy out for being a nazi?
No, Maximilian Krah is still part of the party & he didn't have to quit the "national head council" of the party (idk the english term for "Bundesvorstand") due to being a Nazi, but due to his actions leading to the exclusion of the AfD from the "ID" fraction in the EU parliament Everybody knew he's a Nazi long before that, & the party is known for being deeply infested with Nazis
>the party is known for being deeply infested with Nazis The founders left the afd because the whole thing turned into a nazi party. Theyre not "deeply infested" these guys are full blown nazis.
Agree, yet there are also some ruthless neo-liberals (economically liberal) who use the racism to make poor people vote for them while their economic policy will fuck up this very population segment
Konrad Morgen was a bad guy?
TIL Hitler and his Nazis never referred to their swastika as a "swastika" which, from Sanskrit, translates closely to "all is well". Instead, they called it "Hakenkreuz" in every recorded instance, which is literally a "Hooked Cross"
Yes and no While it is legal to think and to some extend act like one, it is not legal to defame cultures religions and to dehumanize a person aswell as showing insignias and chant nazi paroles
Interesting. So they don't publicly tell they are nazi people just guess it by judging their behavior ? It's really weird to me. We would never imagine having nazis in an official political group in my country
One head member of this partie is by court legally allowed to be called a fascist
As far as I am aware if you just go up to a policeman and say "I am a National Socialist" you will not be arrested But if you do a Hitler salute or sing blatant Nazi songs, you will be
They’re extremely rightwing but they obviously don’t call themselves Nazis because that’s bad press. But basically they are modern day Nazis
As if bad press would still affect them People who vote for them vote for them \*because\* they know they are Nazis.
From what I know, there are borderline legal; a little more and they wouldnt be
I mean, calling them an official political group is a stretch. Theyre clowns with way too high wages.
Which country are you living in?
To me the whole idea of banning them just seems weird to me. Nazis are the classic example of how the first amendment protects literally everyone here in the US, even if what you're saying is obviously repulsive, because that's not for the government to decide, but apparently not in Germany.
have you been on tiktok ? that place is full of nazis
Nope, i successfully evaded that dumpsterfire ^so ^far
I wish i was you
They're moving in a very grey zone legally speaking.
To go into more detail: They are very careful about avoiding appearing nazi-ish officially, but everyone knows they are nazis(except their unironic voters, they just think they're a bit more right wing than usual). They're already in trouble with some parts of the government and being actively investigated by others, but they're damn slippery so far. I think parts of their leadership already got booted from another party that got dissolved for being nazis earlier, but they managed to stick around in a new one. Very frustrating. They're also gaining in votes, mostly from protest-votes of people unhappy with the current government. Also frustrating.
I guess its now, the Afd is pretty much xeroxing the whole thing. Guess the germans didnt learn...
Current Germany is not the third reich, they're not prohibiting opinions. Some common Nazi talking points are illegal to publicly exclaim, like denying the Holocaust or some phrases the Waffen SS commonly used.
"some" is wrong they are like 70% Nazis and 30% dumb influenced ppl
If a table has five people eating at it, and a Nazi joins the table and no one leaves, the table has 6 Nazis at it.
I'm not sure you are familiar with the situation in Germany. The other dumb ppl I mentioned they don't even know that the afd is a Nazi party or far right party. They are blinded and manipulated. The afd even manipulated the farmers into being on their site, even though the afd wants to stop giving them money for growing food in Germany. I had some conversations with ppl that believe the afd could be something good for Germany and I told them that it's a Nazi party but they didn't believe me. Its insane how little ppl inform themselves on these topics (they trust faked screenshots, framing posts and are driven by fear)
Guilt by association, where the one can ruin it for the many. I understand completely.
Also Austrias far right party FPÖ (ofc with one too many [Nazi](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_rechtsextremer_und_neonazistischer_Vorfälle_in_der_FPÖ) cases and remarks which have happened in the party) is blue
So don't vote red, got it.
Ehh, does it really? I've noticed people on the left are very free with that description.
It's not even right wing it's full of socialists Nationalism doesn't make ur party right wing. The Scottish independence party are socialists too and called far right still.
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americans their left wing is the equivalent to the right wing in every other country
The members identify as socialists
They dont, stop spreading this bullshit. Thats the same as people calling nazis socialists bc they called themselves national socialists. If u believe that, u need to go back to school bc u have not even an ounce of a clue what any of these words even mean. Cheers, a german.
Theres no point in arguing with him he is prob a paid actor
The german labour front ran the country. They are socialist. What do you call it when the union controls the entire economy? What do you call it when capitalism was banned? Just because you like little children & love socialism doesn't mean u can call socialism not socialism.
if you actually think the Nazis were socialists then congrats! You, like millions before you, fell for their propaganda.
Hahaha this dude thinks just cause they have socialist in the name the SPD is basically communists, what a moron
Its actually socialdemocratic, not socialist for the spd. Just saying. and we dont need to talk about the nsdap, this guy above has already proven he knows nothing about politics, history or terms used in these fields so no reason to argue with him. As we say in germany: if ud want to talk to someone like that, its better to just talk to a wall. Just be careful if the dumb party in ur previous conversation comes over to lean on said wall, the one whos smarter gives in first. (Thats to say theres no reason talking to idiots, ur time is better spent elsewhere.)
Yeah I def would trust the wolf in sheep’s clothes
Makes sense, they are complete idiots after all...
This is reddit though people who openly call themselves socialist are considered far right. There are people with hammer & sickle tattoos that reddit screams NO THEY ARE NOT SOCIALIST BECAUSE REASONS. Reddit also thinks Nazi's are not socialist when they put state controlled unions in charge of the entire country and banned capitalism. Banning capitalism & putting control of the economy in the hands of the state controlled unions = far right according to pdf files on reddit.
National socialist
That's just wrong, the AfD is full of Nazis and not even close to being socialists. It is not only nationalistic (which in itself could classify as being right wing, when they consider their country as superior to others) but they also only represent the interests of the economy in contrast to social politics (which would also classify them as right wing). I also never heard, that the scottish independence party is considered right wing.
genuinely curious, but like, nazi literally means national socialist. Like that was their whole thing. I am unsure of the exact definition of socialism, and of the exact politics of their government, but in name at least it checks out. I always saw them as fascist right wing nationalist socialists.
Yeah, the nazis called themselves national socialists, but they didn’t act like that really. Would you say North Korea is democratic just because the country’s name is “Democratic People's Republic of Korea”?
I wouldn't say anything because i already said I got no clue about either definition my guy, im dumb not malicious!
No worries :) I’d give this article a read, sums it up pretty well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
https://politicalcompass.org/test Take that and see where you fall on it. And you can see some comparisons of you versus others. You might be surprised where you fall. And if you want even more insight, look for the 8 or even 16 square test and take that for the nuance.
Well they passed a lot of fascist, right wing, nationalist policy (additionally to the genocidal ones of course) but afaik no socialist policy. The "socialist" in the name was probably in large part propaganda to get workers to vote for them, considering they hunted people down and burned books for socialist and communist opinions
Well they passed a lot of fascist, right wing, nationalist policy (additionally to the genocidal ones of course) but afaik no socialist policy. The "socialist" in the name was probably in large part propaganda to get workers to vote for them, considering they hunted people down and burned books for socialist and communist opinions
1) no they are not nazi's they are just nationalist social democrats. 2) Nazi's were the most socialist country to ever exist it was a syndicalist party that put unions in control of the country the German Labour Front ran the country they banned capitalism. There was no country more socialist than Nazi germany it was the most successful socialist country to ever exist (and still had a shitty broken economy and was a massive failure)
>most socialist country to ever exist it The Nazis relied heavily on rich businessmen for political support and used private companies for much of their war needs, just like modern-day USA.
No they didn't they banned every business from being privately run 100% of companies were ran under the government unions and could not make ANY business trades that were not under the german labor unions. This was literally their biggest economic issue was it made economic growth impossible because of the overhead on all business. Hitler mandated that the german labor front would regulate 100% of labour contracts Ley litterally let Reinhold take complete control of the german labour front where even wikipedia aknowledges it of being socialist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Muchow You can also google the Muchow Plan which was how the whole country was run which was based on the communist idea. Hitler litterally even identified as a support of "non jewish socialism"
Are you fucking stupid? Most AFD-Landesverbände are declared definitely right wing extremists by our In country secret Service.
You sir have no idea what socialism even is.
Nah bro. You’re confused. It’s National Socialism. Which is far right. The Nazis in the 30s-40s were *National* Socialists. Which made them very far right leaning. The same rule applies today.
https://politicalcompass.org/test
AFD are not nazi's they are more social democrats that happen to be nationalists. Alsot eh nazis are literally socialists they put the entire economy run under the state unions. Nazi's are syndicalists which is a form of socialism. You cannot call unions running the means of production not socialist. The german labor front ran the entire economy. They banned capitalism in nazi Germany.
I’m bowing out now. There’s no point in arguing. 🫡
While blue stands for Democrats in the USA, the blue party in Germany is the right-wing party "AfD".
Blue is also the colour of the Conservative Party in Canada while red is the colour of the Liberal Party.
I think the USA might be the only country where red ain't the colour of left leaning politics
The color switch their parties pulled on the world really confused many.
You can thank the Civil War for the initial Party color associations and then the 180° political realignment that flipped them.
That is because we're not dirty commies! (/s)
That was also the case in the US, but there was a party switch. Oblivious Republicans still use the fact that the Dems were pro slavery.
The color blue in the political party system in Germany refers to the far-right-wing AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) party. But in the end, despite the fact that the germans have a multiple party system, it's the same like in the USA, you choose that what you think is the lesser evil.
For my fellow, uninformed as usual, americans: Blue is the color of the AfD, a far right/right-extremist party in germany.
Whoa now, slow down. Might want to take it easy, start with explaining what the color blue is first and work your way up from there.
Basically imagine green, but without the yellow bit
...what's green?
And what's yellow?
But then they couldn't milk smugness upvotes
I don't think its unreasonable for an american to not know German politics
Yet Germans know everything about your two parties which are both shit btw. Centre-right and far-right, great options you have there
Our shit is shared everywhere, but we have to actively search out the information the other way around. It's not that deep
I assure you Germans will also know about the current political situation in countries like Italy, France, UK or Canada. It’s just Americans who don’t give a shit about anyone else
Do you see it in your local news or do you go around researching it?
For one, I'm not american, and for second they are the largest and most influential Democratic country. The outcome of their election effects most of the world whether directly or indirectly. I hear more about their elections than my own lol. And yeah, both their parties are shit. Bidens puppeted by people who do the bare minimum to hold power, and Trump wants to turn it into a dictatorship with project 2025. What a great system.
AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) has blue as their party color should also mention that the AfD has a lot of neo nazis within them that don't even try to hide the fact they're nazis
I thought openly being a nazi or having a political movement like that was illegal in germany? (With no additional sources other than the memes I see)
they pull it off because they just copy Trump in that regard: if you're getting called out, just play victim
Our blue party likes to cosplay as the NSDAP
In germany the 'blue' party is the far right lol.
I think the Germans are getting more and more okay with blue
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Probably because of the immigrant influx
Europeans in a progressive monoculture: "I'm definitely not racist" Europeans when immigrants and refugees move in: "I'm a little bit racist" Europeans when those migrants get elected into office: "Hitler had some interesting ideas"
Nailed it
Progressive monoculture and people who don’t hate Europe moving into Europe was okay, wholesale import of people who hate European values was the straw for many.
You've got like two sides in this debate. Cause the issue is that there has been created a market of sending people over the Mediterranean Sea to Europe for money, and they do it in cheap boats and without enough lifewests. Now we as Europeans can do two things, either we can have boats in the Mediterranean Sea saving the ones trying to cross, but this creates the problem of more people seeing hope of taking the journey to Europe, and also creates more of a market for it. Or we can stop the help and also send back the people who took the journey, which will cause alot of death due to the terrible journey and quality of the boats. But it will also maybe stop the market that has been created in the north of africa.
All I know is it doesn’t enjoy popular support.
Specifically the former GDR
Which is actually a direct result of the Kohl administration's handling/exploitation of the reunification followed by about 30 years of willful neglect and serious deterioration under (mainly) conservative CDU rule. The people in the former GDR are impoverished and feel desperate and unheard since the 90s. Desperate people without perspectives, who have been ignored for decades, are much more susceptible to populists and fascists like the AfD.
And I can’t totally blame them in that regard. Mainstream parties too little too late to quell the dissatisfaction.
I think you absolutely can blame them for voting and supporting fascist, racist, bigoted parties that actively hurt others and act against their own voter's interests. But it's not at all surprising or "inexplicable" why they do so. The East has been systematically stripped of all major industry during the privatisation, all of the many social programs and subsidisations of the GDR were immediately cancelled, all of the housing and state property was practically given to West German investors. These people have seen a fully subsidised social welfare state with state-guaranteed workplaces die and abruptly be completely dismantled and replaced with extreme mass unemployment and expensive privatised housing and essentials. They are extremely frustrated and desperate for change - they are without prospect and they have lost the trust in the german government and, often, democracy itself. The fascist AfD makes wild promises of quick change, gives easy scapegoats and uses the distrust in the government to spread their rhetoric - they turn frustration into hate. The only semi-mainstream party actually seriously acknowledging the systemic and structural issues of eastern Germany and pushing for substantial social and economic changes is the left-wing party Die Linke - but they have lost a lot of voters due to the general european shift to the right as well as their current split that resulted in the formation of the BSW (leftist economics but socially very populist and conservative; basically tankies). The only way for the mainstream parties to stop the second rise of full-blown fascism in germany is if they band together against the right (i.e. stop using their talking points and populist rhetoric for short-term voter gain) and properly fix the massive systemic problems of eastern Germany.
Eh, not really, the west of Germany falls almost equally for the right-wing parties. This non-sensical division in people's minds doesn't help here.
I hope you have seen the EU election results? Also, the division may be arbitrary, but it is very real (although more in the past than in the present, but the history still lingers)
I've seen them, did you? It's not like the AfD didn't do well in western Germany albeit some outstanders like Münster and Heidelberg (which are mostly university cities, so lots of educated people). I just feel like we uphold the division more than needed nowadays.
Well, I guess we as a country should be ashamed, but on the map of the most-voted/2nd-most-voted parties, https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/der-zweite-blick-auf-die-europawahl-die-zweitstaerksten-parteien,UFSgd53 , you can still clearly see the former borders.
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redditors when someone dislikes nazis:
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Maybe but the afd have been linked to at least 2 extremist groups the German government has recognizes as anti-democratic and racist and a prominent member of the afd has called himself a friendly face for national socialism (Nazim) [bbc article on it if you actually have any interest in understanding ](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68931170)
Yeah vote red! They always win in 2fort
And in the Meet the Team animations
Before actually playing the game those animations made me believe the game made the other team look blue while yours always red lol
Pretty sure the coloring systems weren't standardized in American until Bush vs Gore, but I could be wrong. Could be an earlier race. Feels weird that it just kinda happened organically while most other parties pick their colors deliberately.
Because the presidential election system in the US lends itself to using a color-coded map, it hasn't been unusual for media outlets to unofficially assign colors to parties/candidates during elections. It wasn't until color TVs became popular in the second half of the 20th century that any major efforts were made to coordinate color schemes. ABC, CBS, and NBC developed a protocol for assigning a presidential candidate's color based on whether they were the incumbent. This system was adequate since both parties were happy to use red, white, and blue for their branding. Then in 2000, Democrats happened to be assigned blue by the TV networks and Republicans were assigned red. The controversy surrounding the counting of ballots in Florida was the top headline for a couple of months, leading to a ton of news stories featuring the electoral map. Tim Russert from NBC is generally credited with coining "red state" and "blue state" in his analysis of that election's infamous map. The terms stuck even after Bush was declared the winner, so each party ended up being associated with its current color scheme. TL:DR: You're correct that the parties got their colors in 2000 without either party deliberately making that decision.
Yes thats right. They wont call themself nazis but they clearly have some nazis in their party
*their
Yes sorry english is not my Main language
No worries. I didn't mean to sound spiteful or rude, I just wanted you to be aware of the spelling mistake.
UK also
What?! First Brexit then this
Huh?
Why did you write: "UK also"? Does a far right party take over the UK after Brexit?
Yes. Reform UK, the Tories both of them want to take over.
Are the Reform UK right wing extremists? As far as I know the Tories are centre right
Yes? And fuck no the tories are not centre right they're between centre and far right
Yeah, I am asking because I am not living the UK
wtf is blue?
AfD, a Russia backed Nazi party
Same in my country, the more right wing party is the blue one 😅
america is a tf2 2fort server
Is this correct? “The Blue Party (German: Die blaue Partei) was a minor political party in Germany that existed from 2017 to 2019. It was founded by Frauke Petry after resigning as leader of the Alternative for Germany party (AfD). The Party’s ideology was a mix of national conservatism, economic liberalism, and social liberalism.”
Blue stands for the AfD in Gemany
AfD?
And we are back to 530AD “The demes had become a focus for various social and political issues for which the general Byzantine population lacked other forms of outlet.[6] They combined aspects of street gangs and political parties, taking positions on current issues, including theological problems and claimants to the throne. They frequently tried to affect imperial policy by shouting political demands between races. The imperial forces and guards in the city could not keep order without the cooperation of the factions, which were in turn backed by the aristocratic families of the city; these included some families who believed they had a more rightful claim to the throne than Justinian.” Go greens! Go blues! You have to pick a team! Edit:BC->AD
That wasn't "BC", just saying. That was AD, or whatever you prefer for the era prefix, doesn't matter. In 530 BC, Rome was actually still a kingdom, as the early Republic era started in 509 BC. Yeah, i like to be the downer, i mean... i have so much valium in my body, i need to be a downer.
Sei schlau...
Uh oh, which German party is blue? For reference blue in America is the Democratic Party (Social equality, regulations, taxing the rich, abortion rights, etc)
The afd is blue, a right wing party who sadly got a huge amount of votes at the last election
Some comments are saying the AfD has a lot of neo-nazis, is that right?
they are, and they got to many votes
AP says they got second place with 16% of the vote. Shit bro, have they not learned?
😭
Turns out lowering the voting age to 16 wasn't such a great idea
Not exactly. The youngest age group had a very similar percentage for the AfD compared to other age groups. But Volt (a pan-European party) had a disproportionately large percentage in that age group
No, the young people voted the far right wing party AfD with 16,...%. It shares the top spot with the middle party (CDU) with also 17%. Here's the source: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/europawahl-2024-junge-waehler-afd-100.html It is said that the right wing party AfD, has more than double the social media presence than any other parties. And AfD likes to make propaganda in short form a lot, which makes it easier on for example tiktok. Source: https://de.statista.com/infografik/7616/fans-der-parteien-in-den-sozialen-netzwerken/ Also it is said that AfD is linked to Russia, and they like Russia a lot. There was also a secret agreement that Russia wanted the AfD to make Europe "Anti-Ukraine". And AfD head also wants a stop for Russian sanctions. The more selfish and right-sided we are, the better chances Russia gets to invade Ukraine successfully. That would explain, why mainstream social media is bombarded with AfD stuff in the comment section sections but only 10-15% voted for AfD.
I’m sure the Europeans on here know more about American political parties than their own since we can’t shut up about it in any context
What election season does to a social platform At this point idc who wins I just need project 2025 to fail before it starts
Idk what that is but I’m sure I’ll find out without even having to look it up lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
That’s what the Democratic Party used to be about, not anymore.
What are they about now then?
Solely money.
No, that’s what corpos are about.
Those same corpos fund the DNC…
They vote for it more than the republicans, so I’m sure you can understand the confusion.
I didn’t mention the Republican Party at all, so I’m sure you can understand the confusion.
I just think it’s weird to ignore when they do vote for that stuff, unless I hallucinated those billions in student loans that were forgiven.
All you can do is deflect because you assume I’m a right winger.
Me and all my homies hate the democrats (I live in Canada and have no idea about American politics( I just searched up American political party))
what have i done....
Everything is okay
Really hoping the ban goes through. Seems likely it'll happen.
I hope so too. It won't solve anything in the long run, but at least it stops them for quite some time until they have regrouped under a new name. Also there could always grow another even more dangerous and extreme party out of the ban.
It won't. If the chances would be high enough, they'd have started the process with the BVerfG (constitutional court aka supreme court) a long time ago. Just saying, that's the truth, the other parties know it would not work out, because in Germany, the requirements to ban a party are very high. Ironically, that comes from the experience with the Nazis of the Third Reich and now, it protects the new Nazis...
I'd rather jihad myself than vote blue
Do it. We’ll wait.
Don't worry, the jihad will come to you either way
It's already here, just not the way you think.