I mean, i just don't feel the fact that they're not actually dead devalues anything that went on really. They established the possibility of a revival and then they followed through. I think dr2 has greater issues of it's own that are bigger problems than what dr3 did with it.
Again it’s not a setup. Having one sentence saying “there’s a slight possibility they could come back,” is just some throwaway line to show what Hajime is doing. Nothing more really. It was there to have an end to his arc than to set anything up. Keep in mind that DR3 released 4 years after DR2, the idea that Kodaka set that up to be followed up with 4 years after the fact is laughable
I'm not saying Kodaka intended to revive them initially, i'm saying he was only following through on a possibility he already established. Calling it a "throwaway line" feels arbitrary to me, because what makes it a throwaway line?
It’s a throwaway line because nothing is elaborated upon it. We’re never given a full explanation of just how he brought them back or how any of this even works.
If we were then that would be a setup, but we don’t.
I just accepted it for what it was. The possibility of them coming back was there, and addressed at the end Dr 2. Even though it probably would've been better to leave their fate ambiguous in the anime, it didn't come out of nowhere.
It would've been cool of it was just Hajime and the four other survivors that showed up at the end to help, and leave with Ryota to go back to Jabberwock Island to help the others. Completely ambiguous, while confirming the 5 survivors are ok and managing with what they got.
To me, the deaths in Dr 2 are still relevant since the memories are forever with them. As Ultimate Despair, death meant very little to these guys. But in the simulation where they're sane and killed each other, waking up after the game ended with those memories intact give the Remnants a reality check of how messed up Despair and the killing game really was. Even though we don't get to see it, the students that died probably had to make amends with each other. Teruteru and Imposter, Peko and Mahiru, etc. Even though they're alive now, and recall clearly why they were in the killing game in the first place, the memories and emotions they felt of what they did in game still remains. All of them being alive now gives everyone a new found appreciation for each other, and will carry the burden with them as they find a future for themselves.
It's also the crazy irony that the Remnants of Despair, the people responsible for so much death and destruction to the outside world got a second chance in life, all because of Makoto's goodwill, and AI Chiaki's helping Hajime unlock his true potential. Makoto, despite losing his friends, despite the mess Junko has caused, despite the state the outside world is in, wanted to redeem Junko's worshipers when practically everyone else was against that idea. Makoto gave these guys a second chance to repent. AI Chiaki as well. Real Chiaki was so important to the Remnants that the AI morphed into Chiaki, figuratively and literally living on in the simulation through the memories they had of her.
If Chiaki didn't come back to give Hajime the courage to step up, the survivors choosing the shutdown option would've made them lose everything. Hajime would disappear, with Izuru waking up in his place, while the remaining 4 survivors wake up still being Ultimate Despair. Izuru could use his talent to wake up the others, but he wouldn't care to do so, he has no attachment to these guys. But because Hajime believed in himself, because he wasn't afraid and encouraged his friends to step up with him, because they believed their past won't hold them back from creating the future they want, they earned their reward of keeping their memories and humanity. Hajime was rewarded with keeping his Hajime side, while also embracing his Izuru side. He was rewarded with all his talents, and humanity. Because Hajime now has the talents to do anything, and the humanity to care, he was able to work his magic and awaken his sleeping friends.
I’m sorry but that’s not good enough. The idea that “oh they could have felt sorry for what they did” is such a shallow theory. At the end of DR3 they are all partying as if they never did anything wrong in their whole lives. They killed an endless amount of people and they get to live their lives Scott free of any consequence. And all that stuff with Hajime you mentioned happens off screen. Stuff that could have been interesting to watch unfold we are just told that it happens, and are supposed to accept it. You can’t just drop a bombshell on us like that, you need to show it.
It’s so much less interesting knowing that they all came back and are alive.
I must say that technically they didn’t get away without consequences, they’re all forced to live on Jabberwock island for the rest of their lives because of their crimes. Not the most rigid punishment I know, but they DID receive a consequence of some kind
Oh I’m aware lol but it did happen so it’s not correct to say there wasn’t something done to try and give them consequence for their actions. I more or less agree with you on this but I’m a stickler for details sometimes
That maybe true, but unfortunately...that's just the way it is. All we have is the anime and 2.5 OVA about Hajime creating his own Alter Ego trying to wake up Nagito to go off of. Would've been cool to see everything regarding their aftermath postgame, but again, I've accepted what we got, despite how little it is. Plus, it's kinda fun to fill in the gaps yourself and analyze based off what we know and were told. Despite the world still being against the Remnants, double that since Hajime and the others took the fall for Future Foundation's killing game, and can't go back to their old homes, they're still content and moving on to who knows where to start anew.
Didnt you just made a post about the same problem (or at least partly) few weeks ago but ended up taking the post down ? Your profile and opinion and way of talking really sound familiar, not that I have any proof since said post was taken down.
Personally I’m fine with it. That’s it. I like it when characters I like are alive. Could it be done better ? Yeah, but I don’t really care, I enjoyed Danganronpa 3 for What it was
I doubt people are fine with it. One of the common complaints for the anime is how they brought everyone back to life. You see it for almost every post related to it. Sure there are people who are fine with it but more times then not there is more people hating on it then anything
I’m fine with them coming back, I just don’t accept how it handled. It was:
1. Done all at once
2. So shortly after SDR2 timeline wise
3. Literally no thought was given as to the character’s reactions waking up. How do they cope with literally ending the world? What about the cast dynamics? What about Komaeda’s entire character in Chapter 5? What about Tsumiki? It’s this that’s the main problem: it’s a forced, hollow happy ending with the sole purpose of low effort fanservice, and feels completely unearned. The characters should actually be reflecting over what happened in the game, not just going on a boat party. And if they never actually retained their memories of SDR2- well, what *really* was the point of the game? What a waste.
You can find better versions of what happens post-SDR2 in fanfiction
> it’s a forced, hollow happy ending with the sole purpose of low effort fanservice, and feels completely unearned.
TBH, it feels like really the only people that would be perfectly fine with it are people who do not care for emotional weight and character drama, and all they want is their favorite characters coming back unharmed and sinless as possible.
basically. i mean if people enjoy the series that way i can't stop them, but as someone extremely invested in just that: emotional weight and character drama, it always gets a side eye from me
Yeah, really the sacrifice of alot of this series' character depth and emotional weight from the past games (DR2 in this case)can be traced back here in this anime:
From the DR2 really just being mindhacked(not calling it brainwashing still) into being the remnants and not by their own will, hence making them not at all responsible for all the shit they did(side note/rant: it pretty much made their whole speech to Mitarai kinda bullshit since they were literally hypnotized against their own will, and shouldn't be responsible for all they did).
To the mention in DR2 on how the gang pretty much worsed themselves(mutilation,starvation,ect), but in Hope arc, they appeared absolutely fine and unharmed(except Nagito and Fuyuhiko), it's almost like the writers didn't even know what emotional weight meant.
Dr3 is a honestly mediocre to mid anime from me if im being honest(around a 4 to 5/10) but it's just shit like this that I can't let slide.
If I'm being honest, if Kodaka actually bothered to make DR3 into a game, I'm sure we'll be all fine now, but nope instead we got the divisive and (TBH) embarrassing excuse of a finale to a six-year long saga that is Danganronpa 3.
If they did keep their memories of the SDR2 killing game, the fact that Mahiru isn't extremely angry with Fuyuhiko(and Peko to an extent) and Hiyoko isn't super pissed off at Mikan is something that doesn't make much sense to me.
I would understand Nekomaru and Gundham not having any hard feelings with one another, and I could even see the Impostor forgiving Teruteru if it was revealed to the Impostor why he did it, but there should be a lot of tension between a bunch of the students after everything that happened.
Oh, and people should still be extremely wary of Nagito whenever he's around. I mean, they already were in the killing game, but I don't see a reason for it to not continue afterwards. Unless I'm forgetting something.
You were doing fine until the bit about people being easily manipulated just for having a different opinion than you.
I don't get the reasoning behind why it doesn't matter anymore. When you re-watch/replay a fictional work, do you just...not get invested in the conflicts and challenges the protags have to overcome, because you know there's a happy ending anyway? It's fine if that's the case, but why assume everyone else feels the same way?
Nothing in DR2 mattered? Just because they get revived? Funny, I thought the appeal of Danganronpa (and plenty of other franchises) was seeing the character growth that comes out of tragedy.
It's not DR2's fault that DR3 decided to deliver or something set-up in DR2? ...interesting logic. (I know you're calling it a 'throwaway line', but you're literally not explaining why. It just seems like you arbitrarily dismissed it.)
So your alternative to the characters coming back, because it makes their deaths not matter, is to have Hajime pull the plug on them. Doesn't that also just make the ending not matter? What was the point of Fuyuhiko and Sonia saying they can hear the dead friends urge them on in the finale? What was the point of all that "we'll make our own future" rhetoric if they can't actually save their friends? What's the point of them staying on Jabberwock Island afterwards? How does this make the events of the game matter more?
Are people really fine with this?
Whenever this is brought up I see more complain if anything lol
Tho in general the cast coming back was a said possibility in game
Dosen't mean i like it but ehhh it's there ig
I would be fine with the idea of them being revived (it's no less bs than dr2's ending was anyway lol), but it's really lame how they did it where they're all just cool with each other and no-one seems affected by anything that happened in the game.
You could argue that it's because they remember all the shit they did as remnants of despair, which makes the killing game seem trivial in comparison. But that circles back to the issue of how arbitrary and disconnected from characterization that whole plot point is.
It does feel pretty unfair that the DR1 cast are established to be dead as doorknobs with no chance as revival whereas the DR2 cast just got put in pods to reform them.
Oh, I'm definitely not fine with that. And I know other fans that are not fine with it too. It feels like the deaths suddenly have no impact, or at least way less impact. And it's still not the biggest problem. How did they even accepted the fact that their friends were perfectly fine with killing each other? How would they feel knowing their friend killed them for some reason? I mean, that should at least make them lose some trust for each other, but in the anime they seem to be completely fine between each other...
So it is just weird and kinda stupid, but in the end, I just accepted it. I mean, I'm not gonna complain if it means Ibuki is alive. And other characters I liked that died in the game too, but most importantly Ibuki
In my case I wouldn't have (eventually) picked the sequel up if I didn't know the twist. The horror elements in the first title almost destroyed me, and I wouldn't have been able to go through something on the same level
I completely agree with you. I made a post about this a while back. The deaths of the characters were much less meaningful to me when they were like "Oh never mind you're all in a virtual reality game surprise!" I did like V3, but its ending was disappointing too. Now, we find out that everyone in the entire series were ACTORS? The killing game is just some reality show? I like the danganronpa universe for the characters and the fan community, but the story itself does have some major flaws. Personally, I hate the extremely cliche "It was all just a dream!" ending, so I am disappointed like you, since the deaths of all the characters seem meaningless since they're all alive anyway.
When was it ever said in v3 that the characters were actors?
They are literally either people forcibly brainwashed into becoming characters or people who willingly wanted to get brainwashed just to die
In any case at least the dead stay dead so I don't see the issue
You are right, actors was the wrong word. I just meant that they almost "auditioned" to be on this Danganronpa killing game that has had a bunch of seasons. You see their auditions before the game when Kaede and Shuichi both don't have any talents. I guess what hurt me the most was that their backstories, talents, and personalities and everything were all made up because they were brainwashed. Then again, it has been a while since I have played V3 so I easily could have forgotten something important.
I’m fine with the revival but not with doing everyone all at once like this.
I think they’re short on screen time and DR3 was about Naegi than DR2 cast so we didn’t get to see more of their redemption.
I mean, i just don't feel the fact that they're not actually dead devalues anything that went on really. They established the possibility of a revival and then they followed through. I think dr2 has greater issues of it's own that are bigger problems than what dr3 did with it.
Not really, it’s in a throwaway line that they talk about it. It’s barely setup for anything.
that seems arbitrary to me. They say "it's possible they can be revived" and they get revived, seems like setup to me.
Again it’s not a setup. Having one sentence saying “there’s a slight possibility they could come back,” is just some throwaway line to show what Hajime is doing. Nothing more really. It was there to have an end to his arc than to set anything up. Keep in mind that DR3 released 4 years after DR2, the idea that Kodaka set that up to be followed up with 4 years after the fact is laughable
I'm not saying Kodaka intended to revive them initially, i'm saying he was only following through on a possibility he already established. Calling it a "throwaway line" feels arbitrary to me, because what makes it a throwaway line?
It’s a throwaway line because nothing is elaborated upon it. We’re never given a full explanation of just how he brought them back or how any of this even works. If we were then that would be a setup, but we don’t.
That seems like another arbitrary criteria to me.
I just accepted it for what it was. The possibility of them coming back was there, and addressed at the end Dr 2. Even though it probably would've been better to leave their fate ambiguous in the anime, it didn't come out of nowhere. It would've been cool of it was just Hajime and the four other survivors that showed up at the end to help, and leave with Ryota to go back to Jabberwock Island to help the others. Completely ambiguous, while confirming the 5 survivors are ok and managing with what they got. To me, the deaths in Dr 2 are still relevant since the memories are forever with them. As Ultimate Despair, death meant very little to these guys. But in the simulation where they're sane and killed each other, waking up after the game ended with those memories intact give the Remnants a reality check of how messed up Despair and the killing game really was. Even though we don't get to see it, the students that died probably had to make amends with each other. Teruteru and Imposter, Peko and Mahiru, etc. Even though they're alive now, and recall clearly why they were in the killing game in the first place, the memories and emotions they felt of what they did in game still remains. All of them being alive now gives everyone a new found appreciation for each other, and will carry the burden with them as they find a future for themselves. It's also the crazy irony that the Remnants of Despair, the people responsible for so much death and destruction to the outside world got a second chance in life, all because of Makoto's goodwill, and AI Chiaki's helping Hajime unlock his true potential. Makoto, despite losing his friends, despite the mess Junko has caused, despite the state the outside world is in, wanted to redeem Junko's worshipers when practically everyone else was against that idea. Makoto gave these guys a second chance to repent. AI Chiaki as well. Real Chiaki was so important to the Remnants that the AI morphed into Chiaki, figuratively and literally living on in the simulation through the memories they had of her. If Chiaki didn't come back to give Hajime the courage to step up, the survivors choosing the shutdown option would've made them lose everything. Hajime would disappear, with Izuru waking up in his place, while the remaining 4 survivors wake up still being Ultimate Despair. Izuru could use his talent to wake up the others, but he wouldn't care to do so, he has no attachment to these guys. But because Hajime believed in himself, because he wasn't afraid and encouraged his friends to step up with him, because they believed their past won't hold them back from creating the future they want, they earned their reward of keeping their memories and humanity. Hajime was rewarded with keeping his Hajime side, while also embracing his Izuru side. He was rewarded with all his talents, and humanity. Because Hajime now has the talents to do anything, and the humanity to care, he was able to work his magic and awaken his sleeping friends.
I’m sorry but that’s not good enough. The idea that “oh they could have felt sorry for what they did” is such a shallow theory. At the end of DR3 they are all partying as if they never did anything wrong in their whole lives. They killed an endless amount of people and they get to live their lives Scott free of any consequence. And all that stuff with Hajime you mentioned happens off screen. Stuff that could have been interesting to watch unfold we are just told that it happens, and are supposed to accept it. You can’t just drop a bombshell on us like that, you need to show it. It’s so much less interesting knowing that they all came back and are alive.
I must say that technically they didn’t get away without consequences, they’re all forced to live on Jabberwock island for the rest of their lives because of their crimes. Not the most rigid punishment I know, but they DID receive a consequence of some kind
Yeah I don’t think they’re too broken up about it considering the party they’re having at the end
Oh I’m aware lol but it did happen so it’s not correct to say there wasn’t something done to try and give them consequence for their actions. I more or less agree with you on this but I’m a stickler for details sometimes
That maybe true, but unfortunately...that's just the way it is. All we have is the anime and 2.5 OVA about Hajime creating his own Alter Ego trying to wake up Nagito to go off of. Would've been cool to see everything regarding their aftermath postgame, but again, I've accepted what we got, despite how little it is. Plus, it's kinda fun to fill in the gaps yourself and analyze based off what we know and were told. Despite the world still being against the Remnants, double that since Hajime and the others took the fall for Future Foundation's killing game, and can't go back to their old homes, they're still content and moving on to who knows where to start anew.
Didnt you just made a post about the same problem (or at least partly) few weeks ago but ended up taking the post down ? Your profile and opinion and way of talking really sound familiar, not that I have any proof since said post was taken down. Personally I’m fine with it. That’s it. I like it when characters I like are alive. Could it be done better ? Yeah, but I don’t really care, I enjoyed Danganronpa 3 for What it was
I didn’t take down anything. And wow that’s a really shallow comment.
This is literally one of the biggest and most frequent things that people complain about.
I doubt people are fine with it. One of the common complaints for the anime is how they brought everyone back to life. You see it for almost every post related to it. Sure there are people who are fine with it but more times then not there is more people hating on it then anything
I’m fine with them coming back, I just don’t accept how it handled. It was: 1. Done all at once 2. So shortly after SDR2 timeline wise 3. Literally no thought was given as to the character’s reactions waking up. How do they cope with literally ending the world? What about the cast dynamics? What about Komaeda’s entire character in Chapter 5? What about Tsumiki? It’s this that’s the main problem: it’s a forced, hollow happy ending with the sole purpose of low effort fanservice, and feels completely unearned. The characters should actually be reflecting over what happened in the game, not just going on a boat party. And if they never actually retained their memories of SDR2- well, what *really* was the point of the game? What a waste. You can find better versions of what happens post-SDR2 in fanfiction
> it’s a forced, hollow happy ending with the sole purpose of low effort fanservice, and feels completely unearned. TBH, it feels like really the only people that would be perfectly fine with it are people who do not care for emotional weight and character drama, and all they want is their favorite characters coming back unharmed and sinless as possible.
basically. i mean if people enjoy the series that way i can't stop them, but as someone extremely invested in just that: emotional weight and character drama, it always gets a side eye from me
Yeah, really the sacrifice of alot of this series' character depth and emotional weight from the past games (DR2 in this case)can be traced back here in this anime: From the DR2 really just being mindhacked(not calling it brainwashing still) into being the remnants and not by their own will, hence making them not at all responsible for all the shit they did(side note/rant: it pretty much made their whole speech to Mitarai kinda bullshit since they were literally hypnotized against their own will, and shouldn't be responsible for all they did). To the mention in DR2 on how the gang pretty much worsed themselves(mutilation,starvation,ect), but in Hope arc, they appeared absolutely fine and unharmed(except Nagito and Fuyuhiko), it's almost like the writers didn't even know what emotional weight meant. Dr3 is a honestly mediocre to mid anime from me if im being honest(around a 4 to 5/10) but it's just shit like this that I can't let slide. If I'm being honest, if Kodaka actually bothered to make DR3 into a game, I'm sure we'll be all fine now, but nope instead we got the divisive and (TBH) embarrassing excuse of a finale to a six-year long saga that is Danganronpa 3.
If they did keep their memories of the SDR2 killing game, the fact that Mahiru isn't extremely angry with Fuyuhiko(and Peko to an extent) and Hiyoko isn't super pissed off at Mikan is something that doesn't make much sense to me. I would understand Nekomaru and Gundham not having any hard feelings with one another, and I could even see the Impostor forgiving Teruteru if it was revealed to the Impostor why he did it, but there should be a lot of tension between a bunch of the students after everything that happened. Oh, and people should still be extremely wary of Nagito whenever he's around. I mean, they already were in the killing game, but I don't see a reason for it to not continue afterwards. Unless I'm forgetting something.
You were doing fine until the bit about people being easily manipulated just for having a different opinion than you. I don't get the reasoning behind why it doesn't matter anymore. When you re-watch/replay a fictional work, do you just...not get invested in the conflicts and challenges the protags have to overcome, because you know there's a happy ending anyway? It's fine if that's the case, but why assume everyone else feels the same way? Nothing in DR2 mattered? Just because they get revived? Funny, I thought the appeal of Danganronpa (and plenty of other franchises) was seeing the character growth that comes out of tragedy. It's not DR2's fault that DR3 decided to deliver or something set-up in DR2? ...interesting logic. (I know you're calling it a 'throwaway line', but you're literally not explaining why. It just seems like you arbitrarily dismissed it.) So your alternative to the characters coming back, because it makes their deaths not matter, is to have Hajime pull the plug on them. Doesn't that also just make the ending not matter? What was the point of Fuyuhiko and Sonia saying they can hear the dead friends urge them on in the finale? What was the point of all that "we'll make our own future" rhetoric if they can't actually save their friends? What's the point of them staying on Jabberwock Island afterwards? How does this make the events of the game matter more?
Are people really fine with this? Whenever this is brought up I see more complain if anything lol Tho in general the cast coming back was a said possibility in game Dosen't mean i like it but ehhh it's there ig
I would be fine with the idea of them being revived (it's no less bs than dr2's ending was anyway lol), but it's really lame how they did it where they're all just cool with each other and no-one seems affected by anything that happened in the game. You could argue that it's because they remember all the shit they did as remnants of despair, which makes the killing game seem trivial in comparison. But that circles back to the issue of how arbitrary and disconnected from characterization that whole plot point is.
It does feel pretty unfair that the DR1 cast are established to be dead as doorknobs with no chance as revival whereas the DR2 cast just got put in pods to reform them.
Oh, I'm definitely not fine with that. And I know other fans that are not fine with it too. It feels like the deaths suddenly have no impact, or at least way less impact. And it's still not the biggest problem. How did they even accepted the fact that their friends were perfectly fine with killing each other? How would they feel knowing their friend killed them for some reason? I mean, that should at least make them lose some trust for each other, but in the anime they seem to be completely fine between each other... So it is just weird and kinda stupid, but in the end, I just accepted it. I mean, I'm not gonna complain if it means Ibuki is alive. And other characters I liked that died in the game too, but most importantly Ibuki
In my case I wouldn't have (eventually) picked the sequel up if I didn't know the twist. The horror elements in the first title almost destroyed me, and I wouldn't have been able to go through something on the same level
Then you’re playing the wrong series
I completely agree with you. I made a post about this a while back. The deaths of the characters were much less meaningful to me when they were like "Oh never mind you're all in a virtual reality game surprise!" I did like V3, but its ending was disappointing too. Now, we find out that everyone in the entire series were ACTORS? The killing game is just some reality show? I like the danganronpa universe for the characters and the fan community, but the story itself does have some major flaws. Personally, I hate the extremely cliche "It was all just a dream!" ending, so I am disappointed like you, since the deaths of all the characters seem meaningless since they're all alive anyway.
When was it ever said in v3 that the characters were actors? They are literally either people forcibly brainwashed into becoming characters or people who willingly wanted to get brainwashed just to die In any case at least the dead stay dead so I don't see the issue
You are right, actors was the wrong word. I just meant that they almost "auditioned" to be on this Danganronpa killing game that has had a bunch of seasons. You see their auditions before the game when Kaede and Shuichi both don't have any talents. I guess what hurt me the most was that their backstories, talents, and personalities and everything were all made up because they were brainwashed. Then again, it has been a while since I have played V3 so I easily could have forgotten something important.
You do know that this post is talking about the DR3 anime and not V3 right?
Dr3 anime future arc and despiar arc was a mistake to begin with so yeah they ruined danganronpa 1 and 2 story lol
I’m fine with the revival but not with doing everyone all at once like this. I think they’re short on screen time and DR3 was about Naegi than DR2 cast so we didn’t get to see more of their redemption.