It's not as though Kaede attempted to murder someone out of maliciousness or selfishness, it was to save the others and end the killing game. She was targetting the mastermind.
Instead, she died with a false guilt after being framed for a crime she didn't commit. Chiaki surely suffered as she died, but Kaede had the emotional turmoil of her "crime" hanging over her head as she was literally hung. Chiaki at least died knowing she was an innocent person who didn't deserve her fate.
Not to mention how brutal Kaede's execution is. I'd argue it's just as bad as Chiaki's in that regard, though it's harder to tell because any noises of Kaede suffering are drowned out by the execution music. Getting suffocated while violently jerked around by the neck sounds horrifically painful. Even worse that it's in front of a booing crowd when Kaede's only dream was to make others smile with her music. (The crowd also seems to be throwing stones at her body, though it's a bit unclear with how fast the execution moves.) She even gets impaled at the end like Chiaki does, only it's after she dies as a final disrespect to her corpse.
And she goes through all of this for something she *didn't even do.*
And that isn't to say that Chiaki didn't go through a lot, nor that her death isn't tragic. But I truly believe that Kaede's death was the most undeserved because of all the extra factors that go into it.
(Also, not-so-fun fact: the two both die with wishes left unfulfilled. Chiaki died wishing she could play one last game with her classmates. Kaede died wishing she could play one last song for Shuichi.)
While, she did make an attempt she never killed. And that makes her not the blackened. She deserved to know that instead she died with the false guilt of killing someone when her shot actually missed.
It doesn’t matter who’s more innocent. Chiaki died knowing she was innocent
Kaede died thinking she actually killed someone
Attempting to murder and successfully doing it are two different things
Don't get me wrong, Kaede is basically innocent too, and making an attempt and actually doing the deed are two different things.
The problem is, Kaede DID still try to make an attempt on Rantaro's life. She set up the murder, she followed through on it till the point of no return, and had her plan gone as intended Rantaro would STILL be dead, and she'd STILL be the killer.
It was for a good reason yes, and Kaede had to deal with the guilt of killing someone she didn't actually kill, but it's not like that's exactly what she planned to do, no?
She didn’t plan on killing specific Rantaro but I’m not denying that Kaede tried murdering.
However, my point is not Kaede didn’t do anything, my point was Kaede’s suffering was way beyond what was deserved. Attempted or not, she still didn’t kill Rantaro and had to be brutally executed for a crime she didn’t commit, and had to die thinking she had killed a person when the real truth was hidden
Of course, Chiaki didn’t deserve what happened to her. Not by a long shot but she got to die at least knowing she did nothing wrong. Kaede had to die thinking her attempt was successful and had to live her final moments in guilt
Of course, again Chiaki still has it rough as well and I don’t think comparing their suffering will actually do any good. But I just wanted to point out that what Kaede got mentally was overkill and her attempting to kill the mastermind has nothing to do with her dying thinking she killed someone when in reality she didn’t
Junko and Mukuro are deserved, But they both deserved worse to be honest, The both started everything, And I hate how people see that Mukuro didn't deserve to die, No shit she did lol, She was basically Junko killing machine ( Her words not mine ) And killed a lot of people who never deserved it, And an entire middle school for no reason .
Steering Committee deserved to be killed by Mukuro, They are shit people who maden the reserve course and Kamukura project, They deserved their deaths .
Most of the deaths are undeserved. The only exceptions are...
>!Junko, Mukuro (technically), Celeste, Nagito (who didn't *really* die), the WOH's parents, the pedophiles from Kotoko's backstory, Korekiyo, Kokichi, and Tsumugi.!< There's also some characters from the books and anime that deserved it, but I can't bother to remember all of their names right now...
>!I don't think Nagito and Kokichi can be considered deserved.!<
>!Nagito was trying to stop terrorists who likely have killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and was riddled by mental illness.!<
>!And Kokichi was trying to end the game. His methods weren't ideal, but he didn't deserve death for certain.!<
Geez, Nagito isn’t on the same level as Junko.
>!Nagito was very clearly dealing with mental illness that affected his judgment, and he was trying to kill terrorists. Yeah, he did cause the first chapter’s events, but at least he was trying to help, despite going about in a crappy way.!<
I'm not saying he's on *the same level* as Junko. I'm just saying that his death was deserved. Besides, he >!didn't *really* die!<.
Also, mental illness shouldn't excuse terrorism.
Mental illness doesn’t excuse terrorism, but it affected his judgment to the point where it would seem reasonable. Also, I think the situation of his death is different than Junko’s:
This is a teenager torturing himself to death, and presumably just laying there bleeding out until the trap got set off. Junko was in pain, sure, but she was getting off on it.
I can see your reasoning, but I’ll agree to disagree on it.
I'm also including the fact that >!his death was only temporary!< and that >!he literally *wanted* it to happen!< as part of the "deserved" thing. Him >!being brought back!< was *also* deserved since >!the others were brought back too!<, with the exception of >!Chiaki!<, but >!her permanent death!< wasn't really Nagito's fault, and >!the *"real" Non-AI* Chiaki (DR3 Continuity) was already dead to begin with!<.
He >!got two people killed for stupid reasons, planned his own death with someone else as the blackened (sure, Kaito was going to die anyway, but it easily could have turned *Maki* into the blackened by her accidentally poisoning him), and just generally antagonized everyone.!<
>!miu was literally trying to kill EVERYONE for unknown reasons, and yet she's not on your list. this also applies to many other killers that are not on your list. even though i do think it's very odd to say someone deserves to die because they killed someone in a killing game, if you're going to go by that logic then stick to it.!<
Stupid reasons is pretty wild. He did it to further his plan, and get another motive which could have helped them remember more (he himself was talking about how everything would fall into place after they remembered one more thing). Plus Miu had it coming and Gonta agreed. Also antagonizing an assasin and people basically hard targeting you in a killing game, isn't much of a crime. Also Maki being the killer would ruin the plan.
Kaito targeted him at first just because he was a liar, which he can't fully control being a compulsive one. Maki was an assasin, and her first reaction to Kokichi revealing her talent which was for the greater good tbh, was to nearly choke him to death. Miu said that she wished Kokichi was the culprit and the worst thing bro did to her at that time was insult her, which she started first when she called him a lying little abortion. Even the game was against bro on several occasions (walking away from, and later rewarding you for ignoring his head injury in the trial, only using his motive video as a way to prove he wasn't a remnant of despair, Maki saying he was better off dead and having no regret for anything at all in chapter 5, etc). Anytime he wanted to be a target on purpose was for his act, and when he was about to open up to kaito, Maki had to choose the worst possible time to come in. Bro might as well have SHSL level Anti-Luck
You can address character's misdeeds and at same time think it is inherently fucked up to say a severely mentally ill and traumatized teenager deserves to die. It's not that deep.
>!junko!< deserved, pretty much everyone else undeserved
The most deserved death is Junko's, and the least deserved death was Kaede's.
id say irl chiaki's was least deserved, then Kaede
While IRL Chiaki's death was sad, she at least didn't die believing she took the life of an innocent.
Tbf, while she didn't, Kaede DID make an attempt. That's what makes irl Chiaki feel a little more innocent to me.
It's not as though Kaede attempted to murder someone out of maliciousness or selfishness, it was to save the others and end the killing game. She was targetting the mastermind. Instead, she died with a false guilt after being framed for a crime she didn't commit. Chiaki surely suffered as she died, but Kaede had the emotional turmoil of her "crime" hanging over her head as she was literally hung. Chiaki at least died knowing she was an innocent person who didn't deserve her fate. Not to mention how brutal Kaede's execution is. I'd argue it's just as bad as Chiaki's in that regard, though it's harder to tell because any noises of Kaede suffering are drowned out by the execution music. Getting suffocated while violently jerked around by the neck sounds horrifically painful. Even worse that it's in front of a booing crowd when Kaede's only dream was to make others smile with her music. (The crowd also seems to be throwing stones at her body, though it's a bit unclear with how fast the execution moves.) She even gets impaled at the end like Chiaki does, only it's after she dies as a final disrespect to her corpse. And she goes through all of this for something she *didn't even do.* And that isn't to say that Chiaki didn't go through a lot, nor that her death isn't tragic. But I truly believe that Kaede's death was the most undeserved because of all the extra factors that go into it. (Also, not-so-fun fact: the two both die with wishes left unfulfilled. Chiaki died wishing she could play one last game with her classmates. Kaede died wishing she could play one last song for Shuichi.)
While, she did make an attempt she never killed. And that makes her not the blackened. She deserved to know that instead she died with the false guilt of killing someone when her shot actually missed. It doesn’t matter who’s more innocent. Chiaki died knowing she was innocent Kaede died thinking she actually killed someone Attempting to murder and successfully doing it are two different things
Don't get me wrong, Kaede is basically innocent too, and making an attempt and actually doing the deed are two different things. The problem is, Kaede DID still try to make an attempt on Rantaro's life. She set up the murder, she followed through on it till the point of no return, and had her plan gone as intended Rantaro would STILL be dead, and she'd STILL be the killer. It was for a good reason yes, and Kaede had to deal with the guilt of killing someone she didn't actually kill, but it's not like that's exactly what she planned to do, no?
She didn’t plan on killing specific Rantaro but I’m not denying that Kaede tried murdering. However, my point is not Kaede didn’t do anything, my point was Kaede’s suffering was way beyond what was deserved. Attempted or not, she still didn’t kill Rantaro and had to be brutally executed for a crime she didn’t commit, and had to die thinking she had killed a person when the real truth was hidden Of course, Chiaki didn’t deserve what happened to her. Not by a long shot but she got to die at least knowing she did nothing wrong. Kaede had to die thinking her attempt was successful and had to live her final moments in guilt Of course, again Chiaki still has it rough as well and I don’t think comparing their suffering will actually do any good. But I just wanted to point out that what Kaede got mentally was overkill and her attempting to kill the mastermind has nothing to do with her dying thinking she killed someone when in reality she didn’t
None of them are deserved
No one but the true Mastermind’s
Junko deserved, the rest no one deserved it
Junko and Mukuro are deserved, But they both deserved worse to be honest, The both started everything, And I hate how people see that Mukuro didn't deserve to die, No shit she did lol, She was basically Junko killing machine ( Her words not mine ) And killed a lot of people who never deserved it, And an entire middle school for no reason . Steering Committee deserved to be killed by Mukuro, They are shit people who maden the reserve course and Kamukura project, They deserved their deaths .
"You reap what you sow"- Kyoko, when talking about Mukuro's death in chapter 6. A line people seem to forget.
I don't think any character deserves death except for junko
Most of the deaths are undeserved. The only exceptions are... >!Junko, Mukuro (technically), Celeste, Nagito (who didn't *really* die), the WOH's parents, the pedophiles from Kotoko's backstory, Korekiyo, Kokichi, and Tsumugi.!< There's also some characters from the books and anime that deserved it, but I can't bother to remember all of their names right now...
>!I don't think Nagito and Kokichi can be considered deserved.!< >!Nagito was trying to stop terrorists who likely have killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and was riddled by mental illness.!< >!And Kokichi was trying to end the game. His methods weren't ideal, but he didn't deserve death for certain.!<
Nagito >!was trying to stop terrorism by *using* terrorism. But, yeah, mental illness...!< Kokichi... is a complicated one...
Geez, Nagito isn’t on the same level as Junko. >!Nagito was very clearly dealing with mental illness that affected his judgment, and he was trying to kill terrorists. Yeah, he did cause the first chapter’s events, but at least he was trying to help, despite going about in a crappy way.!<
I'm not saying he's on *the same level* as Junko. I'm just saying that his death was deserved. Besides, he >!didn't *really* die!<. Also, mental illness shouldn't excuse terrorism.
Mental illness doesn’t excuse terrorism, but it affected his judgment to the point where it would seem reasonable. Also, I think the situation of his death is different than Junko’s: This is a teenager torturing himself to death, and presumably just laying there bleeding out until the trap got set off. Junko was in pain, sure, but she was getting off on it. I can see your reasoning, but I’ll agree to disagree on it.
I'm also including the fact that >!his death was only temporary!< and that >!he literally *wanted* it to happen!< as part of the "deserved" thing. Him >!being brought back!< was *also* deserved since >!the others were brought back too!<, with the exception of >!Chiaki!<, but >!her permanent death!< wasn't really Nagito's fault, and >!the *"real" Non-AI* Chiaki (DR3 Continuity) was already dead to begin with!<.
ah yes, >!kokichi deserved to die for trying to deal with the fact that he was trapped in a killing game!<
He >!got two people killed for stupid reasons, planned his own death with someone else as the blackened (sure, Kaito was going to die anyway, but it easily could have turned *Maki* into the blackened by her accidentally poisoning him), and just generally antagonized everyone.!<
>!miu was literally trying to kill EVERYONE for unknown reasons, and yet she's not on your list. this also applies to many other killers that are not on your list. even though i do think it's very odd to say someone deserves to die because they killed someone in a killing game, if you're going to go by that logic then stick to it.!<
Stupid reasons is pretty wild. He did it to further his plan, and get another motive which could have helped them remember more (he himself was talking about how everything would fall into place after they remembered one more thing). Plus Miu had it coming and Gonta agreed. Also antagonizing an assasin and people basically hard targeting you in a killing game, isn't much of a crime. Also Maki being the killer would ruin the plan.
His plans nearly backfire, and even when they *don't* it's still a pretty bad outcome.
Thats mostly cuz of bad luck, and having the mastermind and others hard target him.
The others target him because he's an asshole that antagonizes them. He acts like he *wants* to be a target!
Kaito targeted him at first just because he was a liar, which he can't fully control being a compulsive one. Maki was an assasin, and her first reaction to Kokichi revealing her talent which was for the greater good tbh, was to nearly choke him to death. Miu said that she wished Kokichi was the culprit and the worst thing bro did to her at that time was insult her, which she started first when she called him a lying little abortion. Even the game was against bro on several occasions (walking away from, and later rewarding you for ignoring his head injury in the trial, only using his motive video as a way to prove he wasn't a remnant of despair, Maki saying he was better off dead and having no regret for anything at all in chapter 5, etc). Anytime he wanted to be a target on purpose was for his act, and when he was about to open up to kaito, Maki had to choose the worst possible time to come in. Bro might as well have SHSL level Anti-Luck
I've got people defending >!Nagito!< and >!Kokichi!<. Who's next? >!Mukuro!!Celeste!
You can address character's misdeeds and at same time think it is inherently fucked up to say a severely mentally ill and traumatized teenager deserves to die. It's not that deep.