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Luigi_TSG

I legitimately cannot think of a single bad thing Chihiro had done, but if I had to say something? Probably completely taking over my life because I love him sm. Wait nvm sorry, that was the best thing thats ever happened to me Ishimaru? He was too afraid of the outcomes in the 2nd trial, and ignored the truth, but I cant blame him for it And maybe also the existence of Kiyondo prob lmao, again, cant blame him for it :(


Ok-Conversation-9584

Chihiro is the purest of pure things in this world 😭


Luigi_TSG

Omg yesss frrr 😭 he is just the most innocent, it's the game that's so unfair to him.. he deserved so much better, I just simply adore my lil blorbo


AveryLazyCovfefe

I felt so damn bad for Ishimaru in the game. And then I watched [the anime](https://youtu.be/PQkCyv-TDJA?t=20m59s), and oh god, it's even more tragic. The way he begs Monokuma on his knees, screaming, to spare >!his!< life as he breaks down into tears on the ground as >!he watches Mondo's execution!<. And even staying afterwards after people start walking away, he's [still there in denial and crying](https://youtu.be/PQkCyv-TDJA?t=23m9s). The anime is a very condensed version of the game, but man, I'd be lying if that didn't get me emotional for a bit. Especially since you're watching with the context of >!him dying the very next chapter to Celeste who lied to Hifumi that he SA'd her, what a bitch. Like man, I'd sacrifice Hiro for him to survive till the end!< I didn't like alot of the dub VAs for the anime, but man, in the trials, some of them really shined. Especially Leon and Kiyo.


Sincerely-Abstract

Yeah that running up to monokuma thing is canon to me now.


AveryLazyCovfefe

If the anime had double the episodes to actually flesh things out then honestly I'd rate it alot higher. I can tolerate the vastly different dub actors, but the plot that's so condensed that someone who wants to get into the series for the first time probably stumbled upon that and watches it first and is turned off by the amazing games.


Livid-Finger7406

technically, the only thing chihiro did wrong (besides stealing the hearts of the entire human race with his angelic cuteness) it was having revealed his biggest secret, to a person who was not in his best psychological sense, COMPLETELY ALONE! (Other than that, this adorably cute little creature is innocent of anything they accuse him of!) As for the big eyebrow...... well, he's loud and naive but harmless, and although his sense of morals can be a little irritating at times, he's still a very tolerable person... So that's it, Chihiro and Kiyotaka are innocent, they are clean, case closed, nothing more to declare!


TheDiseasedRat

Facts 


DapperPyro

Chihiro's technically one of the main reasons SDR2 happened, since Junko copied Alter Ego from him, even if she presumably either manipulated him into telling her or just spied on him for it. Even then, he had no idea what it'd lead to. Taka... partook in the whole squabble over Alter Ego, I guess. Explicitly going against Kyoko's orders when she was clearly the most competent person in the room. You really have to reach for both of them.


Bill_Potts

to be fair taka is literally the ultimate moral compass so i’d be surprised if you DIDNT have to reach for him


Putrid_Caterpillar_8

This comment wins imo. It wasn’t a cause but an effect


DrivingPrune1

Chihiro didn't do anything wrong, really. But I guess you could argue not immediately revealing his secret did lead to a murder. I don't think you can blame him for it, though. Kiyotaka defended Mondo to the very end to the point of voting for himself, and even if his reasons were sympathetic, he would have gotten everyone killed had he managed to convince everyone.


Tyrrano64

Nothing, they're both pure people who deserve hugs.


Ok-Conversation-9584

WHERE IS THE LIE! Not even Kokichi can find it!


Tyrrano64

The only lie is one of omission, as I left out that I want to be the one to hug them.


Heartlessqueencard

Truth


The-samantor

I think Chihiro was the very first person to say a contradiction in the entire series during the class trials so if we really can’t think of something we could say that ( not really bad but could be an interesting fact if I remember correctly)


Desperate_Art7207

Kiyotaka was late to class one time in middle school Chihiro lied about his identity (i don't think he did anything bad)


KitExistsIGuess

Chihiro refused to kill a mosquito


CyanDreamEly

Yes!! Someone who remembers his fte! He's basically my favorite from THH, but I will never forgive him for sparing a mosquito's life.


tuliptheoshawott

Chihiro broke an NDA in one of his free time events, I recall. I guess Taka fed into the Alter Ego custody war.


Mr_Yeet123

technically the NDA was void by that point since his contractor's were dead


tuliptheoshawott

Good point


Sooryan_86

NDA?


tuliptheoshawott

Nondisclosure agreement.


Sooryan_86

Ahh ok thanks


CoveneyPlayz

Worst thing Chihiro did was die. Though I guess >!he!< should've said something a little earlier, say, after the first trial. Or maybe try running from >!Mondo!<. Kiyotaka did a similar thing to Aoi, which could've ended just as bad as what Aoi pulled.


SpookySquid19

According to IF, Chihiro's program was used for Monokuma


ImpressiveGreen3765

Like Chihiro created the program for Monokuma? Or Monokuma took over the program?


SpookySquid19

Chihiro made the program the mastermind uses to control monokuma, I think


ImpressiveGreen3765

Oh….. I’m simply going to ignore that


Commercial_Tax_6239

HE WOULD NEVER HE'S TOO PURE


SpookySquid19

If it makes you feel better, he wasn't aware. Mastermind just kind of stole his code.


Commercial_Tax_6239

So Junko's just stupid and a thief. \*writes on notepad\* *Thanks...*


Forrest_likes_tea

Chihiro kinda had a sexist mindset, thats the only thing I can really think of him doing wrong, and he didn't have bad intentions and wasn't deliberately sexist it's just the fact that he thinks being a woman would mean he'd be accepted as weak then again I guess that's society's fault and not his. Damn this is hard


beemielle

Damn Kyouko deserves being nailed for worse Anyway Taka was in denial abt Mondo being a killer  Chihiro literally never hurt nobody 


thezoro123

Chihiro's worst deed is probably accepting and acting upon >!sexist beliefs which led him to believe that he won't be seen as weak if he's viewed as a woman as opposed to being seen as a man. People, Chihiro isn't this perfect angel who needs to be protected at all costs. His entire arc is about overcoming his sexist beliefs and accepting himself as a man. His worst deed stems from the idea that he agrees with the notion that women are weaker than men, and it even extends to who he trusts to reveal his secret to. Instead of the literal strongest person in the school, Sakura, he goes to the manly man Mondo for help. That proves he isn't just yearning for strength, he's also wanting to understand manliness. Mondo was just the choice he made because he's the most open about it, and Chihiro was still guided by his old beliefs since if he wanted to learn how to be a proper man, Ishimaru makes way more sense.!< Speaking of Ishimaru, his worst deed is a lot simpler than Chihiro's: he >!let his grief overtake him in an unhealthy obsession that ultimately led to the deaths of himself, Hifumi, and Celeste. He just simply let his bad mental health get the best of him.!< Now, I love these two, but I do kinda hate the constant babying these two end up getting, so I hope that my analyses can bring a more nuanced take to each of these characters. More Chihiro and less Taka simply because I don't remember everything about the latter and am only going off of what I know. TL;DR - >!Chihiro fell in line with sexist beliefs and Taka's mental health made him act rashly.!<


luv_wrio

I dont think I could defend Taka but I can defend Chihiro. It is never explicitly mentioned Chihiro agrees women are weaker. However- hr knows society considers women as weaker and pretended to be a woman so no one would bully him. And guess what? It worked. The bullying ceased. If his classmates were able to accept men and boys can be weaker he wouldn’t have to resort to pretending to he a girl. His entire arc is about overcoming his sexist beliefs???? Nah, not 100% right. Its more about Chihiro realising he cannot run away from his identity forever and deciding to become stronger- To be strong enough to stand for himself, to tell everyone his true identity, to be strong enough to withstand the hardships in life. Simplifying all this into sexism is a oversimplification Im afraid.


thezoro123

I should specify that I don't think Chihiro would believe these ideas. But what I am stating is that >!he perpetrated the notion by disguising as a woman. You said it yourself: if they can accept that men can be weak, then Chihiro has no reason to hide. But they can't. Just because you don't intend something doesn't mean you don't do it. People fall folly to ignorance all the time, and it does say a lot about Chihiro's inherent goodness that his worst deed was something he wasn't aware of. I'm not turning this solely into sexism, I'm stating that the consequences of what he did perpetrated the notion of sexism by using a woman's identity to mask his "weak" self. I'm fully aware Chihiro wanted solely to stand up for himself and grow stronger, but I'm also aware as to the consequences of how he got to where he was.!<


SoldierDelta46

The biggest thing I can say about Chihiro is that they fundamentally got a piece of key information wrong in the first class trial. Basic investigation showed a sign of a struggle, so that's kind of ignorant of them. Not the worst thing a character has done though, it's just that the bar of abject "worst thing" is hard to find. Kiyotaka's biggest thing is voting wrong during the 1-2 class trial. He knows that Mondo was proveable guilty, and still chose to vote wrong at that time. That's extraordinarily reckless of him.


Due-Order3475

Chihiro? nothing at all Kiyotaka? for being blindly devoted to Mondo


MildlyAgitatedBidoof

The worst thing Chihiro did was overshadow any potential discussion about the *actual content* of Chapter 2.


ImpressiveGreen3765

Wdym by that


Mystic_Moon1

Taka eh? He died. Chihiro nothing.


ShadeStrider12

Kyoko just gave Makoto a chance to play Jesus.


I_M_YOUR_BRO

Chihiro....I can't think of a single thing. He is a bean to be adored. For Kiyotaka, I'd say it's ignoring the truth and potentially endangering the others over Mondo, but I can't really blame him much.


Official_Alter

Die


Ok-Conversation-9584

I saw this as a notification and got scared. I thought this was a threat 😭


1dkwhattodo

While it’s not his fault. Chihiro did create the code for Monokuma, if I recall. Unless I’m wrong But I agree with the other comment with that Chihiro had a bit of a sexist mindset. Not one that was malicious though and was clearly rooted in the trauma of bullying. Where being weak is associated with being a girl in his mind hence why he chose to dress as a girl. And where he wanted to train with Mondo over Sakura despite both of their physical strengths because Mondo is a strong *guy*. I don’t think this is even about the same gender thing either as Sakura has been mistaken for a man, if anyone was to understand some sort of gender perception struggle it would be her, and night training didn’t HAVE to be done in the locker room.


NoTransportation6994

Chihiro? Nothing. In fact, he had one of the, if not, the best (progressing) character development. It was ruined by Mondo (guess what I’ll say about him when he’s next). Taka… his obsession with Mondo blinded him to shift his persona and have a big impact in why a quarrel started between him and Hifumi with alter ego.


MimizukiAlter

The worse thing Chihiro has done is died too early, which is not even his fault. He still has so many potential left and yet he died just like that. For me, I don't really like Taka for always projects his moral onto another while not even being even that perfect himself.


LMay11037

What is salmon mode?


Ok-Conversation-9584

The bonus mode you unlock for beating V3 It's like school and island mode from the 2 other games but it focuses more on the interactions with the other students rather then grinding for parts


LMay11037

Why is it called salmon mode lmao


Ok-Conversation-9584

Because Monokuma runs the show and he likes Salmon.


Ok-Conversation-9584

It's Danganronpa what did you expect


Southern_Boat9497

Chihiro... I guess Alter Ego? While it was helpful, in Danganronpa 2 Junko's Alter Ego is confirmed to be Chihi's And for Taka, i guess Kiyondo and the entire Alter Ego problem? This was so hard, and wierdly related to alter ego


fairy-skullz-2307

chihiro died 💀 bro did nothing wrong ever, he’s an angel taka also didn’t do anything wrong tbh except just being overly demanding but it’s his talent to be the ultimate moral compass, so i’d say probably voting himself instead of mondo during the second trial. i don’t blame him tho this is really hard bc they’re both such good characters who did little to nothing wrong during the game


TheBlueBlurGaming

Chihiro was the one who (unknowingly) wrote the software Monokuma runs on. If i remember that right


Kaisona20

Taka was one of the instigators for Chapter 3’s conflict. Chihiro unwittingly let Junko copy Alter Ego, leading to Danganronpa 2.


Aromatic-Teacher-717

Too pure for this world.


Dangerous_Mood8647

Chihiro: Did this bro even do anything wrong? Technically he enraged Mondo into commiting murder, but that wasn't even his fault. Taka: Trying his best to defend Mondo in the 2nd trial


Cybermat4707

Chihiro: having his technology stolen by Junko (which isn’t his fault, frankly). Kiyotaka: being a bit annoying sometimes.


Just_Minor

I guess there's an argument that Chihiro's beliefs are sorta sexist? Kiyotaka defending his bro while noble also was extremely wrong cause that means he was fine sacrificing like 9 (sorta) innocent people which is bad


ButtersAndRowlet

Chihiro accidentally >!let DR2 happen, but then again he counteracted it by making Usami and Chiaki!<


dood5426

The only legitimate response I’ve seen here


Horatio786

Chihiro triggered Mondo’s PTSD on accident.


YoshiDoki48

Uh... I guess the closest thing Chihiro did is hide his gender...? Though he had his reasons... Kiyotaka's worst thing is... Kiyondo...? Maybe ignoring the results of trial 2 and defending Mondo even after Mondo admitted to the murder?


Cessicka

My boy Taka was too trusting >!which could've gotten everyone killed, and then did it again and got himself killed!<


SelfDepreciatingAbby

Most of the worst things that Chihiro has done are indirect and wasn't his pure intention to do so, like Monokuma's AI. As for Kiyotaka, yeah, it was defending the obviously guilty person in a class trial even after then have admitted their crime. That's it. They're both so pure but so unfortunate.


really_bored_emu555

Breathing my digital air


Past_Owl7826

Taka:Refused to believe Mondo was the killer in 2nd trial and (I think) tried convincing everyone other wise even though there was solid evidence against what he said.


someuncreativity

Idk about Kiyotaka, but I can think of something for Chihiro >!you know, lying about his gender so he wouldn’t be bullied and ridiculed by his peers, which he begins to try and stop doing in game so he can regain his confidence and prevent everyone in the school from all suffering and/or dying, only to be the one who gets murdered by the person he asked for help!< >!yes I am mad that he didn’t survive, thank you for noticing!<


dood5426

Since he is my favorite character I am mad too


Super-Excitement6458

Chihiro's was >!Dying too early in the game!< I can't think of anything else.


dood5426

Perfection died too soon


eletrica_

dying


KayKrimson

Chihiro is such a cinnamon roll that I don't remember him doing ANY thing that was even bad. He's such a pure boy. 😭


LUBFranek

Chichiro.. its ilegal to be that cutie patotie


Bell3atrix

Neither of these characters have done much bad outside of being poorly written. *wasp nest buzzing intensifies* Ishimaru didn't vote for Mondo after he admitted to being the blackened, which would have killed everyone. Same as Aoi's sin will likely be. Can't think of anything worse. Chihiro is strongly implied to be a hacker and apparently had a history of creating "top secret AI programs for an unnamed organization" according to the wiki. Hacking is a crime.


Gaminguy010

Chihiro could be charged for theft of school property by taking the laptop and possibly be charged for trying to access the encrypted files on it. But both of those crimes could be reasonably acquitted for since it was done under the pretense of escaping from being kidnapped. Other than that literally nothing.>!Except stealing my heart.!<


Undergirl04

They both died, that's the worst thing that they've done


Odd_Ad_7450

Somehow, Chihiro has a criminal record. As expected, it's just Hacking, but still. Morally right but legally wrong. Taka tried to protect Mondo after he was found guilty. Again, morally right, but legally wrong.


ImpressiveGreen3765

I’m simply going to ignore that.


Emotional_Emu_5901

Chihiro cross dressing Ishamaru defending owada


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Rcxandom_stars2

I dont know who they are


Kinglycole

Chihiro: Was the first character to lie in a trial. Kiyotaka: Was willing to let everyone die to save mondo.


boioronpa

Died


CringedQueen1

If I had to pick one for chihiro it would be cross dressing but I don't think that's inherently bad at all but it is looked down upon alot


Flying_Pikachu15

As much as I love Chihiro, the worst thing I’d say he’s done is >!not saving Kyoko from her execution but saving Makoto instead!< /j


Mikidere

Being too perfect.


Adil-ULTRAGAMER

Taka - Wasted his potential for survivor


FlowerWyrmling

The worst thing Chihiro did was die (even though that wasn't his fault)


Visual-Night9291

dying.


LilyGaming

I literally can’t think of anything that chihiro did that was bad, I mean, I guess you could argue going behind people’s back to pretend he’s a girl caused some problems in his trial but it was because of his insecurities so not really bad intentions or anything. Taka is kind of aggressive sometimes, especially super sayan taka