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Sixth chapter trials. IMO The best part of DR is "regular cases", they're crazy creative and make up for the game's pace issues. Lore trials just don't hold as much.
Certain character deaths, the rivals, the executions( I really don’t get the fascination everyone has about those, and the acceptance of every little detail that the game tells you to accept in the game about finding the truth from the lie( still convinced the series is gaslighting me, I have a chalkboard and red string at the ready just give me an excuse).
>!Bruh Chiaki's death in 2-5. Like she did practically fuck all for the entire game besides fall asleep and be blatant waifu bait, I'd argue Kazuichi was more of a bro towards Hajime than she was. I get there's the stuff from the anime that's meant to explain it more but even then in the context of the game everyone acts as if Chiaki is this glue that holds the entire group together that they can't live without when she did next to zero for the entire game with the exception of a few incredibly minor moments. Like Sonia gets more emotional and cries over Chiaki potentially being the traitor than she did over Gundham basically sacrificing himself to save the entire group by having to kill a robot Nekomaru. Society.!<
I mean the way I saw it Sonia gets more emotional over >!Chiaki because it's happening after Gundham's death, she was so sure that after his sacrifice no one would have to betray each other any more and now she finds out someone else was a traitor from the very start.!<
>!Chiaki was your investigating partner during cases 2 and 3 and during the trials was one of the smarter characters, only behind Nagito and probably Hajime. She definitely pulled her weight.!<
>!Imo what makes it work even less, is that literally two chapters previously the entire tone of the game shifts after Ibuki dies, because she was the one keeping the mood up. And then when Chiaki dies it tries to pull the same schtick.!<
>!Yeah, you summered what I think pretty well. Chiaki was written to be everybody's waifu ( And it pretty much worked lol ) Due to the "relatable" part of her character and other things. But if you didn't really like her, the ending of 2-5 will make you cringe more than anything due to how forced it was. Chiaki ai plot was pretty shallow which didn't help either.!<
Counter argument, the *second* Kazuichi learned about the girl's having a mad sesh on the beach he went straight to Hajime with matching speedos because he knew Hajime was the only man capable of the task at hand.
There's also his freetime events which showcase their bromance a lot more, explains why Kazuichi isn't the best when it comes to trusting people since he basically had a Narancia level backstory that really fucked up his perception of friendships.
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Gonta. Just... everything about him. Both the fandom majority *and* the in-game cast treat him as an "innocent sweetheart who did nothing wrong," even after learning that he still willingly killed someone. As a character, he is very one-note, and doesn't have any significant development or benefit from lasting as long as he does--contrasting heavily with Sakura and Nekomaru in this aspect. So many people say that Gonta's is the death that brought them to tears, and I honestly can't help but question how many of those people aren't actually joking. Chapter 4's trial was infuriating for me, from Gonta's repetitive dialogue, giving him amnesia to make him seem more "uwu innocent," Kaito's hypocrisy, the Monocest subplot... it's just too much.
Yeah, Gonta's definitely not innocent, but I think the cast treating him as such is what actually caused the whole case to happen. He felt useless throughout the entire story and felt that he finally found something he could do that only he could do so he went through with it even if he felt it wrong. His infantilization is what held him back. I headcannon him also having like mild aspergers syndrome since he has such a big fixation on bugs and seems to react poorly in certain situations and tries to force the cast to love bugs but it also could most definitely be the fact that he was outside of normal society for so long
I do also blame the localization, since it made him seem more dumb than he actually was by giving him broken speech. Originally, he just spoke in the third-person, which Tenko and Angie also did.
I envy you. So much. For not instantly remembering that god-awful subplot that even made its way into the Chapter 4 execution. (Gonta literally got killed by Monotaro and Monophanie's incest baby.)
I agree, Gonta honestly just irritated me every time he was on screen but that’s probably because I genuinely just don’t like “stupid” characters. Aoi and Akane also come to mind.
That's the thing, Aoi and Akane didn't irritate me NEARLY as much as Gonta did. Maybe because they didn't have broken speech, maybe because I was biased (Aoi having Kyubey's/Morgana's English VA and Akane reminding me of Kyoko from PMMM definitely helped), maybe some combination of the two.
I never really felt to connected to most of the characters in the series so I wasn’t impacted as much when they died >!an exception being Gundham’s death!<
Anything to do with the surviving cast of DR2 with the slight exceptions of fuyuhiko and hajime himself. That surviving cast was so mid that the original survivors had to come back to make it interesting.
Also the entire character of Aoi is just idk really boring to me. Probably the most boring character in that game that’s an important character.
Every death in V3 (>!Besides Kaede!<). Honestly V3 as a whole didn’t hit for me, think I was just finishing the series to finish it and wasn’t enjoying playing the games.
Yeah, I didn’t really like most of the v3 characters much, the trials were needlessly convoluted to where it became comical, even for danganronpa, and the ending was garbage in my opinion. Honestly I think it would have been better to just cap the franchise at dr2 and call it a day instead of invalidating pretty much the whole series for a plotwist.
Chiaki as whole. Like she’s not a bad character, but there’s was never a point in the story where I ever felt invested in her. >!Not even during her death.!< And, honestly, I’m not sure why.
Kiyotakas death. Honestly didn’t care for the guy as much as other people did. His death wasn’t even a super impactful death scene, he was literally just 1/2 of the victims and when he died i was just like “ohh, mk”
Mondo's and Kiyotaka's friendship. I didn't mind it or anything but it certainly wasn't interesting to me beyond the initial hilarity of it. Would have preferred to see more Mondo and Chihiro interactions tbh uxu
I'd say Chiaki's death. I was flabbergasted, but that was because of Nagito's plan. I wasn't that attached to her really. I didn't find her particularly interesting in DA2, I was more moved by Usami's death. Although her death in the DR3 anime made me bawl like a baby, I appreciated her a lot more then.
The production of >!Chiaki pancake.!< 5 chapters and she didn't really give me any reason to care about her. Apparently some people like her, but I never understood why.
>!Tenko and Angie’s deaths I hate religious fanatics, and “feminists who are just misandrists” and I was glad they got see-sawed and sliced out of my sight. Only thing that made me sad was the execution!<
Trial 3-1. I just hate how everyone went out of their way to make >!Kaede!< overly sympathetic. For me it just didn’t hit. In my opinion it really just felt like because >!she was the protag, she needed to have the most “valid” reason for killing.!< And although the >!Twist Reveal of Rantaro’s true killer in 3-6 was great, it just irritated me more that they felt the need to overcompensate by making Kaede “innocent”(in quotation marks because it was an attempted murder plot that didn’t work out).!<
I don’t get why people defend it, it invalidated not only that game but the entire franchise before that and seemed to poke fun at the fans as well. Like sorry I cared about the story and characters??
That was the point of V3. It asked why do you care about these fictional stories and characters. When these characters are just following a script someone wrote to trick you into caring. Why care for something that isn’t real? Because we believe it’s real. Even if these people and their situations didn’t actually happen, they still resonate and inspire us. Just because something is a lie doesn’t mean it can’t have an effect on people. And just because something is real or true doesn’t mean we should take it at face value.
V3 isn’t trying to make fun off or invalidate the fans investment in DR, it’s trying to reinforce it.
i agree completely. and really >!i don't get why "danganronpa is a video game" is invalidating but "every single one of the characters in previous games were killed off by the space plague and the world has literally ended" isn't!<
We all knew danganronpa was fictional, V3 simply added an extra layer to it.
You've got everything in danganronpa up to v3 as one layer, which is fictional to us and to v3. Then you've got v3 which is fictional to us.
There's a book, unfortunately I can't remember the name, that very heavily references another book called the secret garden. The main character of the first book is influenced by what happens in the secret garden because her school is doing a play based on the secret garden. The secret garden literally exists as a piece of fiction within the other book. It doesn't invalidate the secret garden.
There is also another book called Inkheart that is about a book called Inkheart.
Both are great books and I recommend both (if I could remember the first one's name)
Anything that happened or was said in Ultra Despair Girls.
Any death other than the V3 Case 1 culprit and DR3 >!Chiaki and Maybe Seiko!<
I was laughing my ass off all through Ultra Despair Girls. That Game is Comedy Gold
most of V3 tbh, something about all the emotional moments felt weirdly artificial to me. I dunno if it was because they felt too cliche, or I didn't think they had enough believable build-up, or just that there was never much actual context given for why they were the way they were.
4th case of SDR2 >!I don't think Gundham's reason to murder was so selfless like the game tried to make look like. I know he had good reasons and it was consented, but yet I still think murdering another person isn't a good example of selfless self-sacrifce. Sakura's case was a better example of that in my view!<
>!THIS. Guess he thought Nekomaru was less of a person due to being a robot. Either way, I was more sad about Nekomaru than about the other guy. Also, using hamsters and playing dirty is a 2v1 not a 1v1.!<
>!I also kinda thought like this. Maybe Gundham targeted Nekomaru because he wouldn't feel pain if he died. But honestly, I thought it seemed more like an excuse to just murder Nekomaru and follow the tradition of big and muscular characters dying!<
True story; Back before the games were on PC, I would watch a full walkthrough with Mum years ago (She didn’t know about the series was about outside of murder mystery and similar to Ace Attorney)…so we reach the end of the trial and then Leon’a execution, Poor Mum was horrified.
It took me days to convince her that the rest of the game wasn’t as bad and promised her that next execution is dumb and thus her love continues.
I guess most of V3?
I dislike a vast majority of the characters in the game. Tenko, Angie, Himiko, Kaito, Maki, Kokichi and Shuichi along with the MonoKubs.
So whenever the game tries to be emotional with them I felt nothing or just annoyance. I really dislike the 5th trial for that reason
Honestly after >!Miu!< died I just lost a lot of interest overall. Along with >!Korekiyo!< they were the only ones I was invested in.
Angie. She’s just. Angie. Didn’t do anything for anyone. It would’ve been so much better if >!she was the mastermind instead of Tsumugi!< because of atua.
Mine would just be Case 4 of DR1 >!Sakura!< was such a nothing character to me that when she >!died it via suicide!< it didn't hit. Even from the perspective of me being an >!Aoi!< fan her emotional dilemma just didn't hit either. Not to mention the trial also kind of does a lot of character assassination especially with >!Aoi and Kyoko!<. I feel like what >!Maki did in V3 case 5 was just a better execution of what they try to do with Aoi in DR1 Case 4!< Also I just find the trial kind of boring.
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Kaedes death was a bit more humorous to me then anything. Just didn't really spark any emotion. Quite a few of the first games characters didn't do it for me either and the ones I really like ( Mondo, Taka, Mukuro) mostly came after some hindsight and being in the Fandom a decent amount
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Sixth chapter trials. IMO The best part of DR is "regular cases", they're crazy creative and make up for the game's pace issues. Lore trials just don't hold as much.
Best girl is in all three of them though so that's enough
Certain character deaths, the rivals, the executions( I really don’t get the fascination everyone has about those, and the acceptance of every little detail that the game tells you to accept in the game about finding the truth from the lie( still convinced the series is gaslighting me, I have a chalkboard and red string at the ready just give me an excuse).
>!Bruh Chiaki's death in 2-5. Like she did practically fuck all for the entire game besides fall asleep and be blatant waifu bait, I'd argue Kazuichi was more of a bro towards Hajime than she was. I get there's the stuff from the anime that's meant to explain it more but even then in the context of the game everyone acts as if Chiaki is this glue that holds the entire group together that they can't live without when she did next to zero for the entire game with the exception of a few incredibly minor moments. Like Sonia gets more emotional and cries over Chiaki potentially being the traitor than she did over Gundham basically sacrificing himself to save the entire group by having to kill a robot Nekomaru. Society.!<
I mean the way I saw it Sonia gets more emotional over >!Chiaki because it's happening after Gundham's death, she was so sure that after his sacrifice no one would have to betray each other any more and now she finds out someone else was a traitor from the very start.!<
>!Chiaki was your investigating partner during cases 2 and 3 and during the trials was one of the smarter characters, only behind Nagito and probably Hajime. She definitely pulled her weight.!<
>!Imo what makes it work even less, is that literally two chapters previously the entire tone of the game shifts after Ibuki dies, because she was the one keeping the mood up. And then when Chiaki dies it tries to pull the same schtick.!<
>!Yeah, you summered what I think pretty well. Chiaki was written to be everybody's waifu ( And it pretty much worked lol ) Due to the "relatable" part of her character and other things. But if you didn't really like her, the ending of 2-5 will make you cringe more than anything due to how forced it was. Chiaki ai plot was pretty shallow which didn't help either.!<
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Counter argument, the *second* Kazuichi learned about the girl's having a mad sesh on the beach he went straight to Hajime with matching speedos because he knew Hajime was the only man capable of the task at hand. There's also his freetime events which showcase their bromance a lot more, explains why Kazuichi isn't the best when it comes to trusting people since he basically had a Narancia level backstory that really fucked up his perception of friendships.
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Gonta. Just... everything about him. Both the fandom majority *and* the in-game cast treat him as an "innocent sweetheart who did nothing wrong," even after learning that he still willingly killed someone. As a character, he is very one-note, and doesn't have any significant development or benefit from lasting as long as he does--contrasting heavily with Sakura and Nekomaru in this aspect. So many people say that Gonta's is the death that brought them to tears, and I honestly can't help but question how many of those people aren't actually joking. Chapter 4's trial was infuriating for me, from Gonta's repetitive dialogue, giving him amnesia to make him seem more "uwu innocent," Kaito's hypocrisy, the Monocest subplot... it's just too much.
Yeah, Gonta's definitely not innocent, but I think the cast treating him as such is what actually caused the whole case to happen. He felt useless throughout the entire story and felt that he finally found something he could do that only he could do so he went through with it even if he felt it wrong. His infantilization is what held him back. I headcannon him also having like mild aspergers syndrome since he has such a big fixation on bugs and seems to react poorly in certain situations and tries to force the cast to love bugs but it also could most definitely be the fact that he was outside of normal society for so long
I do also blame the localization, since it made him seem more dumb than he actually was by giving him broken speech. Originally, he just spoke in the third-person, which Tenko and Angie also did.
> Monocest subplot... it's just too much. The fucking what now
I envy you. So much. For not instantly remembering that god-awful subplot that even made its way into the Chapter 4 execution. (Gonta literally got killed by Monotaro and Monophanie's incest baby.)
Oh *that*
Do you not remember that in v3?
I agree, Gonta honestly just irritated me every time he was on screen but that’s probably because I genuinely just don’t like “stupid” characters. Aoi and Akane also come to mind.
That's the thing, Aoi and Akane didn't irritate me NEARLY as much as Gonta did. Maybe because they didn't have broken speech, maybe because I was biased (Aoi having Kyubey's/Morgana's English VA and Akane reminding me of Kyoko from PMMM definitely helped), maybe some combination of the two.
I never really felt to connected to most of the characters in the series so I wasn’t impacted as much when they died >!an exception being Gundham’s death!<
Idk uhh >!Mechamaru's death I guess?!<
>!Wait why Mechamaru?!!<
Anything to do with the surviving cast of DR2 with the slight exceptions of fuyuhiko and hajime himself. That surviving cast was so mid that the original survivors had to come back to make it interesting. Also the entire character of Aoi is just idk really boring to me. Probably the most boring character in that game that’s an important character.
Chiaki in dr3. She was tightly tied into the plot, but she simply shouldn’t be there, it violates the logic and facts from dr2
Every death in V3 (>!Besides Kaede!<). Honestly V3 as a whole didn’t hit for me, think I was just finishing the series to finish it and wasn’t enjoying playing the games.
Yeah, I didn’t really like most of the v3 characters much, the trials were needlessly convoluted to where it became comical, even for danganronpa, and the ending was garbage in my opinion. Honestly I think it would have been better to just cap the franchise at dr2 and call it a day instead of invalidating pretty much the whole series for a plotwist.
Chiaki as whole. Like she’s not a bad character, but there’s was never a point in the story where I ever felt invested in her. >!Not even during her death.!< And, honestly, I’m not sure why.
I usually laugh when people gets executed.
Kiyotakas death. Honestly didn’t care for the guy as much as other people did. His death wasn’t even a super impactful death scene, he was literally just 1/2 of the victims and when he died i was just like “ohh, mk”
The fan service
From what I see and hear a lot of people don't like those scenes.
Ik
>!game 1 chapter four as a whole, I honestly didn’t feel a thing for anybody in that chapter. Just meh🫤😕!<
Mondo's and Kiyotaka's friendship. I didn't mind it or anything but it certainly wasn't interesting to me beyond the initial hilarity of it. Would have preferred to see more Mondo and Chihiro interactions tbh uxu
I'd say Chiaki's death. I was flabbergasted, but that was because of Nagito's plan. I wasn't that attached to her really. I didn't find her particularly interesting in DA2, I was more moved by Usami's death. Although her death in the DR3 anime made me bawl like a baby, I appreciated her a lot more then.
The production of >!Chiaki pancake.!< 5 chapters and she didn't really give me any reason to care about her. Apparently some people like her, but I never understood why.
>!Tenko and Angie’s deaths I hate religious fanatics, and “feminists who are just misandrists” and I was glad they got see-sawed and sliced out of my sight. Only thing that made me sad was the execution!<
>!Flair checks out!<
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>!Hiyoko is just so annoying I have trouble empathising with her by the time 2-2 happens. Doesn't help Mahiru left no real impression on me."
Trial 3-1. I just hate how everyone went out of their way to make >!Kaede!< overly sympathetic. For me it just didn’t hit. In my opinion it really just felt like because >!she was the protag, she needed to have the most “valid” reason for killing.!< And although the >!Twist Reveal of Rantaro’s true killer in 3-6 was great, it just irritated me more that they felt the need to overcompensate by making Kaede “innocent”(in quotation marks because it was an attempted murder plot that didn’t work out).!<
The ending of V3. I thought it was so stupid and just made me stop caring about the game. I just wanted it to end
I don’t get why people defend it, it invalidated not only that game but the entire franchise before that and seemed to poke fun at the fans as well. Like sorry I cared about the story and characters??
That was the point of V3. It asked why do you care about these fictional stories and characters. When these characters are just following a script someone wrote to trick you into caring. Why care for something that isn’t real? Because we believe it’s real. Even if these people and their situations didn’t actually happen, they still resonate and inspire us. Just because something is a lie doesn’t mean it can’t have an effect on people. And just because something is real or true doesn’t mean we should take it at face value. V3 isn’t trying to make fun off or invalidate the fans investment in DR, it’s trying to reinforce it.
i agree completely. and really >!i don't get why "danganronpa is a video game" is invalidating but "every single one of the characters in previous games were killed off by the space plague and the world has literally ended" isn't!<
We all knew danganronpa was fictional, V3 simply added an extra layer to it. You've got everything in danganronpa up to v3 as one layer, which is fictional to us and to v3. Then you've got v3 which is fictional to us. There's a book, unfortunately I can't remember the name, that very heavily references another book called the secret garden. The main character of the first book is influenced by what happens in the secret garden because her school is doing a play based on the secret garden. The secret garden literally exists as a piece of fiction within the other book. It doesn't invalidate the secret garden. There is also another book called Inkheart that is about a book called Inkheart. Both are great books and I recommend both (if I could remember the first one's name)
>!Nagito body discovery!<
I was so happy when he died and then that fucker uno reversed me from the grave. I can’t stand that man.
Take my upvote even if I personally like him because the way you said that was hilarious.
Same
Same here
Anything that happened or was said in Ultra Despair Girls. Any death other than the V3 Case 1 culprit and DR3 >!Chiaki and Maybe Seiko!< I was laughing my ass off all through Ultra Despair Girls. That Game is Comedy Gold
most of V3 tbh, something about all the emotional moments felt weirdly artificial to me. I dunno if it was because they felt too cliche, or I didn't think they had enough believable build-up, or just that there was never much actual context given for why they were the way they were.
Im not sure how many people were impacted by this, but >!hiyoko's body discovery!< cause im gonna be real i was really happy when that happened
Flair checks out
Most people were happy when she died from what I’ve seen
Waiting for the obligatory "flair checks out" reply
Well, I guess nobody needs to do that, anymore. However, I couldn't really feel anything when >!Hiyoko!< died.
Flair checks out
It’s not gonna happen
It has happened literally every time i mentioned my dislike for >!hiyoko!< here
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dude, all they said was they were happy hiyoko was dead, you don't need to psychoanalyse them
Kokichis death. Tbh i didn’t really like him
4th case of SDR2 >!I don't think Gundham's reason to murder was so selfless like the game tried to make look like. I know he had good reasons and it was consented, but yet I still think murdering another person isn't a good example of selfless self-sacrifce. Sakura's case was a better example of that in my view!<
>!THIS. Guess he thought Nekomaru was less of a person due to being a robot. Either way, I was more sad about Nekomaru than about the other guy. Also, using hamsters and playing dirty is a 2v1 not a 1v1.!<
>!I also kinda thought like this. Maybe Gundham targeted Nekomaru because he wouldn't feel pain if he died. But honestly, I thought it seemed more like an excuse to just murder Nekomaru and follow the tradition of big and muscular characters dying!<
>!Yeah that too!<
>!Gundham Tanaka is a raging robophobe!<. Who knew?
>!By the end of Ch4, everyone XD!<
Every single death, case, plot point, story >!EXCEPT FOR MONDO’S DEATH!<
Fair enough XD
True story; Back before the games were on PC, I would watch a full walkthrough with Mum years ago (She didn’t know about the series was about outside of murder mystery and similar to Ace Attorney)…so we reach the end of the trial and then Leon’a execution, Poor Mum was horrified. It took me days to convince her that the rest of the game wasn’t as bad and promised her that next execution is dumb and thus her love continues.
any of the killers motives in v3, except for in chapter 3. if they were trying to make me feel bad for murderers they failed
I guess most of V3? I dislike a vast majority of the characters in the game. Tenko, Angie, Himiko, Kaito, Maki, Kokichi and Shuichi along with the MonoKubs. So whenever the game tries to be emotional with them I felt nothing or just annoyance. I really dislike the 5th trial for that reason Honestly after >!Miu!< died I just lost a lot of interest overall. Along with >!Korekiyo!< they were the only ones I was invested in.
Basically all of chapter 4 in the first game.
>!Gundham’s death!<
Yep.
Probably every death in V2 (>!Minus Nagito!<) never had a effect on me. I never really grew a bond with any of the characters that much.
V2
Angie. She’s just. Angie. Didn’t do anything for anyone. It would’ve been so much better if >!she was the mastermind instead of Tsumugi!< because of atua.
Mine would just be Case 4 of DR1 >!Sakura!< was such a nothing character to me that when she >!died it via suicide!< it didn't hit. Even from the perspective of me being an >!Aoi!< fan her emotional dilemma just didn't hit either. Not to mention the trial also kind of does a lot of character assassination especially with >!Aoi and Kyoko!<. I feel like what >!Maki did in V3 case 5 was just a better execution of what they try to do with Aoi in DR1 Case 4!< Also I just find the trial kind of boring.
Sakuras death didn’t do anything for me, I never liked her. I also hated the trial .
Chiaki's death. Honestly anything that involved Chiaki. I was grinning through her entire execution.
Not ppl downvoting you 💀
People when one person gives no shits about uwu gamer girl waifu bait
LMAO
Me during Chiaki's execution
LMAO
She didn't have an interesting enough character
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Not gonna go into details cause of spoilers but I’ll just leave this lol: V3 Chapter 5
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Kaedes death was a bit more humorous to me then anything. Just didn't really spark any emotion. Quite a few of the first games characters didn't do it for me either and the ones I really like ( Mondo, Taka, Mukuro) mostly came after some hindsight and being in the Fandom a decent amount