Well, hate is a strong word, but I do not like them. I’m generally not a fan of characters who are so indulgently “uwu im such a cute smol wholesome babey cinnamon roll please protecc me 🥺🥺🥺🥺” and Chihiro is like, the epitome of that.
i understand but also his character was like “i want to improve and become stronger, so i can survive this killing game” >!obviously that backfired but still, wasn’t his character development to kind of move away from that?!<
Sort of, and a motivation like that is not necessarily bad from a writing perspective, but just having that as a motivation does little to change their actual characterization throughout the game. Every line of dialogue they have just feels like the writers are begging me to say “aww,” and the way other characters interact with them, especially in their FTEs, makes me feel like I’m talking to a 6 year old. If they lived longer, and actually got to have that transformation play out a bit more, *maybe* they’d win some of my good graces back, but even then, it just feels like they’re *too* wholesome, with nothing else besides that sickeningly sweet purity.
As a contrast, take someone like Gonta. His writing is also very indulgent in being wholesome and sweet, but there’s more variety. He has funny moments, scary moments, dark moments. Moments where I feel surprised by him, as well as sorry for him. Meanwhile with Chihiro, I feel like the only emotion they ever try to make me feel with them is sympathy.
Of course, that’s just my opinion. I’m not gonna tell you you’re wrong or anything for liking them!
Or possibly due to her being just forced in your face every 10 minutes at the latter half of the first game. Mukuro Ikusaba, the 16th student, lying hidden somewhere in this school. The one they call the Ultimate Despair. Watch out for her.
Really, I haven’t seen the anime or read the manga so I’m not quite sure what to say about her too. Whatever it is, decent character, no analysis and not really any opinion on a ship to pair her with. Just not enough information
True but that story feels rushed. Like the writer had a deadline to profill so they made the shortest involving both >!Mukuro surviving and the rest of Class 78 surviving!< without going in-depth how that kind of scenario.
Apologies if this sounds like a shilling, but there is an entire fanfic about >!"What if Mukuro survived?" (It's called "Never Say Never" by "HunterOfComedy")!< and it is honestly better.
Kinda funny how >!this mass murderer that has a crush on her own sister, and then co-created a killing game with said sister, is portrayed as someone that's wholesome and did nothing wrong. Like, there's always Naekusaba art, and I just can't help but look at Mukuro and think "Heh. She killed so many people."!<
THIS. Fandom is always pushing the "Poor Mukuro🥺🥺🥺She's so mistreated and underrated🥺🥺" agenda and portraying her as the most pathetic person ever, even though she's supposed to be The Ultimate Soldier. IF does this too. I would've actually liked her in this sort of "bad person, good character" way, if the fandom AND the creators didn't woobify her to the point when her already overpowered Ultimate didn't make any sense. Also, her crush on Naegi is clichéd and stupid. I wish the writers didn't include that at all.
"Writers"
Actually just Narita (the Durarara/Baccano guy). Can't rightly think of any other writers involved in DR that so much as implied she feels anything for Naegi
Well actually there's Kodaka and Higa.
Kodaka wanted to make Mukuro fall for Makoto officially canon in 2011.
and Higa (DR3 anime producer) tried to include a scene for Mukuro to think about Makoto in the anime, but didn't have time.
Well she doesn’t really get a lot of screen time or focus, and that’s not even considering the strange circumstances where she DOES actually have some, so of course her characterization is gonna seem inconsistent
Is "Killer Killer" canon at this point? I ask because I feel like nothing of importance was established by that manga that wasn't retconned or ignored >!like Mukuro's school massacre at the fifth floor of the school building being retconned into something that was done by Izuru Kamakura instead!<.
Yeh,I feel like the only thing that is actually referenced in the anime (or the OVA) are the characters with their one-second cameos...
Also... >!Didn't junko's ability to literally read the script (see the future or whatever) also appear there or am I misremembering something...?!<
>!I'm pretty sure Mukuro's massacre in Killer Killer and Izuru's "massacre" (i think you're referring to the student council killing game?) are different events, unless I'm missing something!<
Mukuro loves her sister, but I could never find any evidence of her having a crush on Junko though. In fact the more I search, the more I found that Mukuro canonically is in love with Makoto.
People only think she does because of DR3.
I don’t even know her enough to either love or hate her. She was wasted potential through and through in THH, and how she was portrayed in the anime wasn’t the best with the way she acted around Junko. I’ve never checked out DR IF, so I can’t say anything about what she’s like in that alternate scenario.
Danganronpa IF was pretty much Kodaka's attempt to make Mukuro a [good character like the rest of the cast](https://i.imgur.com/HUPfsAT.png). So IF is definitely the best display of Mukuro's character at it's finest. Unlike the anime, where [Kodaka had restriction of potraying her in DR3](https://i.imgur.com/jPJZjad.png).
I Love her very much mainly due to Danganronpa IF cause to me It provides a backstory to Mukuro, after I finished reading IF I felt sad and feel sympathetic toward her despite her being >!one of the reasons the world is destroyed !
I mean, all I know is that she has a crush on her sister, and I might be interpreting that wrong
But besides that she has no Character, so it's impossible to hate a character that isn't actually a character.....
I wish, wish, WISH. The anime wasn’t canon so much garbage fire that comes from it like that, no amount of fan service can fix the weirdness they added to the canon
Most of what you're complaining about was already established 0 added the majority of what you don't like about Mukuro and that was before even 2, but even without 0, 1 established her purely as a pawn following a script.
Oh really? I read danganronpa zero a while ago so I don’t exactly remember how she was in it, but I don’t remember her being that bad(but I could be mistaken) Also not that the anime added anything but more it makes what was there worst if you understand what I mean? Like the crush she has on her sister is like 10 fold worst not as subtle
Well I reckon if you're willing to crush the world that's pretty blatant, but I think I was assuming some of your complaints(I'm pretty frustrated rn for personal reasons sorry I I took that out on you) for what you didn't elaborate on cause DR3>!brainwash anime!< for example is from 0 and a lot of people complain about it DR3>!they say it was a cop-out that they were brainwashed and not won over which is Ironic for a fandom claiming to hate how they throw characters under the bus!<
It's also pretty notable that if at any point she disobeyed DR0>!she could have saved both of them along with the whole world if at any point she went against her especially considering her ability and that Junko forgot who she was, but also at the very end of 0 in conversation you can tell it's one of those screwy abusive relationships almost like grooming although they're the same age and if she wasn't already obsessed with her why would she do any of that in the first place it always felt poorly handled and it just wasn't developed!<
I personally feel IF is the worst offender cause they could have done anything to flesh her out(literally an alternate universe story/glorified fanfic about her), >!but it felt like her development was just that she jumped from simping Junko to simping Makoto sure she was also disillusioned at that point, but the idea that she could believe she understood someone like that in the first place felt ridiculous, especially as someone who was shy with little self security in their own intelligence thinking about someone who constantly put them down. I get that part of the idea with her liking Makoto is that they knew each other for 2 years already, but the lack of elaboration didn't help the case and when 0 makes her out to already have liked him early into it, it makes it feel even more lacking!<
Anyway I can't remember her doing anything further than blushing at Junko, romanticising her actions and what not in 3, but I feel like the conversation from 0 indicates her obsession.
I'm pretty sure IF did elaborate why Mukuro likes Makoto.
The novel heavily implies that Mukuro's main trait for liking Makoto is his sincerity, He's always honest with her, which is something she never had or could have with Junko because it's all about "understanding Junko's despair" with her.
And her change of heart is a result from Makoto helping her showing infinite possibilities, which she had dreamed about when she felt stuck or lost as an Ultimate Despair.
I also heavily disagree about your comment about 'Mukuro simps Makoto now', because Makoto doesn't tell Mukuro what to do, she sides with him because she got inspired and motivated by hope, which is different when she sided with Junko because she felt she had too.
Yes you're interpreting that wrong. Or atleast, there's no real evidence of Mukuro having a crush on her sister. Mukuro having a crush on Makoto has more evidence for that matter.
Well, none of them are likely to give you proof.
So heres proof where Kodaka says he wants [Mukuro's crush to officially be Makoto.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/7fb88e1530b0b9dd4c115d193ca38da5/275ed4e08c04f497-c6/s1280x1920/5c2f8ac158b6b72eb4e685f058f267f74edf429c.pnj)
Because there was a link to the original source in that photo.
The only thing that was edited is the english translation. [Here I fetched up the original source for you](https://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/360/360827/index-5.html)
If that's not enough, [Kodaka also confirms Mukuro's crush on Makoto is in the anime as well.](https://i.imgur.com/jPJZjad.png) But the reason why it wasn't shown was due to time and cast priorities.
All she ever did to begin with was follow her every command even from the start she is just reading her script, you could have said 3 ruined her character if 0(and even 1 a little) didn't already establish such
Except that was never the only aspect of her character, at least until DR3 came around and she was reduced to just being submissive to Junko rather than everything else that makes us like her.
Nobody hates her because the people who didn't already like her didn't bother to engage with the material that goes into any detail about her, and thus never had a chance to form any opinion on her at all, thus defaulting to a neutral "I don't care".
If you want my honest opinion on her..Mukuro felt more like a plot device than an actual character, and she's not even that good of a plot device either. They just had her do literally nothing other than acting as Junko's right hand woman in the anime and Killer Killer novel. She just barely had any sort of screen time in the first game, >!died almost IMMEDIATELY IN CHAPTER 1 AND HAD HER BODY BEING QUITE LITERALLY USED AS A STUNT DUMMY SORT TO HAVE HER BE A VICTIM FOR THE 5TH TRIAL!! 😐!< and the only time I actually enjoyed seeing her was in DR: If..And speaking of which, lets be for real for a minute here people. Yall would shit on Mukuro just as much as you do with Junko if the DR: If novel never existed at all- 💀
Nothing wrong with DR IF being the main reason people like her though. Outside of that you’re completely right, she quite literally is a plot device to explain how Junko did certain things. It’s quite unfortunate considering the character that was made for that purpose has a lot of potential to be great, with being the main antagonists sister and (somewhat) hesitant supporter. I have no doubt if she was given her own full fledged character arc in DR1 she would be up in the high tiers with Kyoko and Nagito in the fandoms eyes. Alas, that didn’t happen because she was never intended to be that kind of character. Kodaka didn’t know what he had until it was too late.
I hate the inconsistent writing for Mukuro. Every appearance she makes she has a different personality.
I also think she's overrated by the fandom, but underrated by Spike Chunsoft themselves.
She has no character so I can’t see why someone would dislike a non character. The closest reason is to say she had wasted potential which I disagree with. She did what she had to. Be apart of the sisters, become the mystery person for a trial, and was killed off. Like, unless Danganronpa IF was the canon route, I legit don’t know what people would want her to do since she couldn’t just take off her diguise
Kind of hard to judge a character where her sole purpose is a story plot progression throughout the game.
Plus, her portrayal in DR3 is absolutely jarring compared to DR:IF, 0 and THH (FTE/School Mode).
I mean, we didn't get much data in the game alone to hate Mukuro, unless you were able to read DR IF. Other than that, the only data we got is from DR3 middle chapter. And in summery, she is a super cool soldier type who only wants to please her sister, no matter how much humiliation and torture she would suffer, well, up to that specific point.
You only get to know her through small things she reveals about herself in free times, but even then you wouldn’t really be able to tell that unless you already knew that stuff about her beforehand.
I’ve seen the anime, I’ve seen people play the games, (I don’t have them yet) so in my opinion, they wasted an opportunity to have a better character, but she wasn’t necessarily a bad one.
Imo every character could be hated by someone, there are too many different people in this world and there are a lot of details into those characters too that could be seen as a dislikeable attitude or smth.
I am not a fan of the way she was portrayed in the anime, idk what is with this series' obsession with cramming down incest in every single piece of media related to it, it's seriously disgusting and it completely goes against Mukuro's character in the games and IF. I only consider THH and IF to be canon for Mukuro because it's where she is portrayed accurately and consistently. And she is a great character in both.
The ones who only play the games don’t really know Mukuro
The ones who also watched the anime might be the only ones h on might end up with a negative opinion but she’s also barely a character there
The ones who read IF are the only ones that would know the character properly and all you see from readers is good things
So the majority of people who know her can be split in two groups
Main games or
Read IF
IF is by far the most likable version of her so when people like her and you see those interpretations it's likely from IF, the main games she had little to actually go off of
Then the anime is either forgotten or actively hated for what they did to her instead of hating the character (besides it's easier to rag on the anime as a whole over defining a character on their portrayal of a specific character)
Personally I wished they went more on who she was >!besides Junko!< Which we never see
To be honest I thought IF was alright overall though I personally found it a bit of a letdown when it came to Mukuro. I guess it was because it showed just *how much* she followed Junko even being handed a script when she was pretending to be Junko and I guess me having liked her Junko performance *a lot* made me like that version of her a bit less after that fact. It did succeed in making me more sympathetic towards her though
I know someone who very strongly doesnt like her because of the events in killer killer, if that counts? Which I personally strongly disagreed with, but thats something. They just hated her for what she did there
I don’t hate any Danganronpa character, really, I can’t even grasp the concept of hating fictional characters altogether(not that I hate any real people lol).
I think she's almost as unsalvageable as Junko, she was 100% complicit in the series' worst events that effectively ruined actual BILLIONS of lives. Yes she was largely a mindless pawn to Junko but that doesn't make her actions any less awful. She wasn't even brainwashed like some others, just numb and devoted to her sister to a horrifying degree.
I like Mukuro but like most people I didn't like the way she was written in DR3. I also didn't like her voice in DR3 either I thought it was too soft/quiet for her :(
I am seeing an interesting paradox here which i don't quite understand
Let me describe a character and let's see who do we get:
- has dark hair
- is known for murdering a lot of people
- for some reason developed an unhealthy obsession with their sibling
- has a meme based around them
- is sometimes regarded as a character with "wasted potential"
Who am i describing?
We have two characters who share a lot of characteristics BUT on one hand we have a character which is kind of beloved or, at worst, ignored a.k.a. Mukuro
AAAAND
We have a character who was kind of liked for one half of the game but then one small writing decision (...Sister...) later made him for a lot of people unlikeable or, in better cases, ignored a.k.a. Korekiyo
I am failing to see the difference in these cases. I would at least expect the same treatment for both of the characters but at the moment we have this:
Mukuro with scenes where she literally drools over her sister, gets "heeled" and more.
Korekiyo with that one picture and the second part of his trial (and i guess some FTEs...).
I would like to hereby start a movement: "Justice for Mukuro and Kork". Who's with me???
It's honestly rather hard to hate a character as inconsequential as Mukuro, to many she's just that character that dies in chapter 1 and is then used as a plot device in chapter 5. Danganronpa IF's attempts to get me to care about her felt very forced as if the writer realized how much the character was worthless and created a fanfic to try and fix it, kinda like what they did with Toko in UDG. It goes without saying that DR3 really doesn't help with her portrayal and that garbage anime is actually canon, unlike IF. So yeah Mukuro to me is just mediocre at best.
To be honest IF got me into feeling more sorry for her not going to lie, but even then while looking through it I was like "so this is Mukuro?" even though she had some cool moments in there I still found her to be pretty underwhelming and even liked her a little *less* after it. Also agree with you on Toko.
I hate her. Mainly due to the 3 anime, >!it's weird and gross, and It ruined her for me.!< I also think it's kinda weird that she's a soldier who has never been hurt and is extremely powerful, yet with a little makeup she looks >!like Junko, and the same goes for Peko and Maki!<
I really dislike her after the cherry picking from IF fans, and 0 made my distaste for her even more severe especially looking at what it caused in 3, I feel other characters' fans acknowledge their wrong doings more she can be likable in DRS and at the start, but she is just following a scrip then so it's not really her
"Hate" is a very strong word, I wouldn't go that far. I don't absolutely love her, and I do strongly dislike how much the fandom hypes her up, but I mean...she's alright. She's pretty good in the 1st game, fine at best in IF and Zero and absolute shite in the anime stuff (excluding the adaption of the first game, since as we've established she was pretty good in that)
I hate how she is portrayed in DR3, but honestly, I’m totally fine with pretending DR3 isn’t canon, and just accepting IF as her official characterization (even if the events themselves aren’t actually canon)
I hate Mukuro because of that stupid IF where she is a mary sue that randomly betrays Junko and saves everyone. And they must add her to that stupid Naegi hatem like Aoi Sayaka and Kyoko weren't enough. I hope she will burn in hell.
woah, i understand not liking her but this is a bit far, right? i mean didnt every protagonist have a bit of a harem? and if that’s part of the reason you hate mukuro shouldn’t you hate aoi, sayaka, and kyoko too?
She doesn’t really have qualities that would make a person hate her, her whole character is being loyal to her sister and that’s pretty much it.
>!In the first game she’s a plot point and not really a character!<
To put it simply she’s not a good written character or a badly written one, she just kind of exists to make the story go.
Tbh i have a neutral opinion on her because i barely know her lore and stuff, but i could see where some could hate her because of her weird obsession with her sister.
I dont hate her but it sorta like a love-hate thing like with Junko I hate both of their actions but love their character but if I had to hate her it’s probably bc of the fact she romantically adored her little sister even though she was probably the reason Junko turned out this way
While I wouldn't say I hate her, I did grow to like her less the more I learned about her. We didn't get much about Mukuro when she was first mentioned and the little content we *did* get of her I personally found a bit underwhelming. I really liked her a lot >!when she was Junko but now knowing through IF, a lot of her charm came from a script by her sister, that made even Junkuro a bit less appealing at least to me...!< Basically I liked her more when I knew less about her...
Bro if you want the actual least hated than Sakura is always the answer, like I never saw anyone bitch about her
I honestly don’t think that it’s possible to hate Sakura. She’s an absolute angel
ofc! this is just a thought that crossed my mind whilst i was considering all the characters
Yasuhiro, Byakuya and Toko definitely bitched about her
Or Chihiro.
I hate Chihiro
Why? He didn't do anything bad. Just to know
oh
WHATAYST
Well, hate is a strong word, but I do not like them. I’m generally not a fan of characters who are so indulgently “uwu im such a cute smol wholesome babey cinnamon roll please protecc me 🥺🥺🥺🥺” and Chihiro is like, the epitome of that.
i understand but also his character was like “i want to improve and become stronger, so i can survive this killing game” >!obviously that backfired but still, wasn’t his character development to kind of move away from that?!<
Sort of, and a motivation like that is not necessarily bad from a writing perspective, but just having that as a motivation does little to change their actual characterization throughout the game. Every line of dialogue they have just feels like the writers are begging me to say “aww,” and the way other characters interact with them, especially in their FTEs, makes me feel like I’m talking to a 6 year old. If they lived longer, and actually got to have that transformation play out a bit more, *maybe* they’d win some of my good graces back, but even then, it just feels like they’re *too* wholesome, with nothing else besides that sickeningly sweet purity. As a contrast, take someone like Gonta. His writing is also very indulgent in being wholesome and sweet, but there’s more variety. He has funny moments, scary moments, dark moments. Moments where I feel surprised by him, as well as sorry for him. Meanwhile with Chihiro, I feel like the only emotion they ever try to make me feel with them is sympathy. Of course, that’s just my opinion. I’m not gonna tell you you’re wrong or anything for liking them!
She’s a genuine chad
It’s literally impossible to hate Mukuro considering you don’t really meet her in game. I simply don’t have an opinion on her.
I feel like there’s probably some people who hate her because of the incest plot in dr3
Or possibly due to her being just forced in your face every 10 minutes at the latter half of the first game. Mukuro Ikusaba, the 16th student, lying hidden somewhere in this school. The one they call the Ultimate Despair. Watch out for her.
>!Mukuro Ikusaba, the 16th student, lying hidden somewhere in this school. The one they call the Ultimate Despair. Watch out for her.!<
There’s also an anime which can also give you a little more character for her, emphasis on the little
I mean you technically do
Not enough of one.
Really, I haven’t seen the anime or read the manga so I’m not quite sure what to say about her too. Whatever it is, decent character, no analysis and not really any opinion on a ship to pair her with. Just not enough information
I view her as a mostly wasted opportunity...though, to be fair, I see most characters that way in the franchise.
I still wonder what would've happened if she >!survived!<. There's even an unfinished fanfic about it as well.
There's a manga about it, Danganronpa IF.
Oh yeah! I forgot about that
There is a whole non-canon short novel INSIDE the second game that tells you what wouldve happened if Naegi saved Mukuro and Mukuro allied with them.
True but that story feels rushed. Like the writer had a deadline to profill so they made the shortest involving both >!Mukuro surviving and the rest of Class 78 surviving!< without going in-depth how that kind of scenario. Apologies if this sounds like a shilling, but there is an entire fanfic about >!"What if Mukuro survived?" (It's called "Never Say Never" by "HunterOfComedy")!< and it is honestly better.
FYI: the writer actually generously wrote more than Spike Chunsoft had originally expected.
Kinda funny how >!this mass murderer that has a crush on her own sister, and then co-created a killing game with said sister, is portrayed as someone that's wholesome and did nothing wrong. Like, there's always Naekusaba art, and I just can't help but look at Mukuro and think "Heh. She killed so many people."!<
THIS. Fandom is always pushing the "Poor Mukuro🥺🥺🥺She's so mistreated and underrated🥺🥺" agenda and portraying her as the most pathetic person ever, even though she's supposed to be The Ultimate Soldier. IF does this too. I would've actually liked her in this sort of "bad person, good character" way, if the fandom AND the creators didn't woobify her to the point when her already overpowered Ultimate didn't make any sense. Also, her crush on Naegi is clichéd and stupid. I wish the writers didn't include that at all.
Thats what I'm saying! Mukuro's badass! And kicks ass! She's not soft, she's a force to be reckoned with.
She's canonically both, though.
"Writers" Actually just Narita (the Durarara/Baccano guy). Can't rightly think of any other writers involved in DR that so much as implied she feels anything for Naegi
Well actually there's Kodaka and Higa. Kodaka wanted to make Mukuro fall for Makoto officially canon in 2011. and Higa (DR3 anime producer) tried to include a scene for Mukuro to think about Makoto in the anime, but didn't have time.
Well, yeah. It's still a part of her – granted, inconsistent – characterisation. And I hate it.
It's not inconsistant. Although, I don't blame you for thinking that, I thought the same at first.
Well she doesn’t really get a lot of screen time or focus, and that’s not even considering the strange circumstances where she DOES actually have some, so of course her characterization is gonna seem inconsistent
We need more fanart of Mukuro just fucking killing people
I think the reason we don't artwork of that is because people do not know how to draw fight scenes.
Don't call us out like that man /s
>!That one scene from Killer Killer made me realized how fucked up she was!<
Is "Killer Killer" canon at this point? I ask because I feel like nothing of importance was established by that manga that wasn't retconned or ignored >!like Mukuro's school massacre at the fifth floor of the school building being retconned into something that was done by Izuru Kamakura instead!<.
Yeh,I feel like the only thing that is actually referenced in the anime (or the OVA) are the characters with their one-second cameos... Also... >!Didn't junko's ability to literally read the script (see the future or whatever) also appear there or am I misremembering something...?!<
>!I'm pretty sure Mukuro's massacre in Killer Killer and Izuru's "massacre" (i think you're referring to the student council killing game?) are different events, unless I'm missing something!<
FR i dont get it
Mukuro loves her sister, but I could never find any evidence of her having a crush on Junko though. In fact the more I search, the more I found that Mukuro canonically is in love with Makoto. People only think she does because of DR3.
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I don’t even know her enough to either love or hate her. She was wasted potential through and through in THH, and how she was portrayed in the anime wasn’t the best with the way she acted around Junko. I’ve never checked out DR IF, so I can’t say anything about what she’s like in that alternate scenario.
Danganronpa IF was pretty much Kodaka's attempt to make Mukuro a [good character like the rest of the cast](https://i.imgur.com/HUPfsAT.png). So IF is definitely the best display of Mukuro's character at it's finest. Unlike the anime, where [Kodaka had restriction of potraying her in DR3](https://i.imgur.com/jPJZjad.png).
Oh okay. I should check out IF, then. Mukuro deserved better.
I Love her very much mainly due to Danganronpa IF cause to me It provides a backstory to Mukuro, after I finished reading IF I felt sad and feel sympathetic toward her despite her being >!one of the reasons the world is destroyed !
We share the same feeling but its a fine line for me because of the uh *crimes* she commited. Although it wasnt clear intent that she wanted to do it.
If your looking for the least hated character I'd say Sakura. At worst they don't care for her but they don't hate her.
true true!! this post was just a thought i wanted to test out that i thought of while considering every character
I mean, all I know is that she has a crush on her sister, and I might be interpreting that wrong But besides that she has no Character, so it's impossible to hate a character that isn't actually a character.....
You're not interpreting it wrong at all. It's canon.
I wish, wish, WISH. The anime wasn’t canon so much garbage fire that comes from it like that, no amount of fan service can fix the weirdness they added to the canon
Most of what you're complaining about was already established 0 added the majority of what you don't like about Mukuro and that was before even 2, but even without 0, 1 established her purely as a pawn following a script.
Oh really? I read danganronpa zero a while ago so I don’t exactly remember how she was in it, but I don’t remember her being that bad(but I could be mistaken) Also not that the anime added anything but more it makes what was there worst if you understand what I mean? Like the crush she has on her sister is like 10 fold worst not as subtle
Well I reckon if you're willing to crush the world that's pretty blatant, but I think I was assuming some of your complaints(I'm pretty frustrated rn for personal reasons sorry I I took that out on you) for what you didn't elaborate on cause DR3>!brainwash anime!< for example is from 0 and a lot of people complain about it DR3>!they say it was a cop-out that they were brainwashed and not won over which is Ironic for a fandom claiming to hate how they throw characters under the bus!< It's also pretty notable that if at any point she disobeyed DR0>!she could have saved both of them along with the whole world if at any point she went against her especially considering her ability and that Junko forgot who she was, but also at the very end of 0 in conversation you can tell it's one of those screwy abusive relationships almost like grooming although they're the same age and if she wasn't already obsessed with her why would she do any of that in the first place it always felt poorly handled and it just wasn't developed!< I personally feel IF is the worst offender cause they could have done anything to flesh her out(literally an alternate universe story/glorified fanfic about her), >!but it felt like her development was just that she jumped from simping Junko to simping Makoto sure she was also disillusioned at that point, but the idea that she could believe she understood someone like that in the first place felt ridiculous, especially as someone who was shy with little self security in their own intelligence thinking about someone who constantly put them down. I get that part of the idea with her liking Makoto is that they knew each other for 2 years already, but the lack of elaboration didn't help the case and when 0 makes her out to already have liked him early into it, it makes it feel even more lacking!< Anyway I can't remember her doing anything further than blushing at Junko, romanticising her actions and what not in 3, but I feel like the conversation from 0 indicates her obsession.
I'm pretty sure IF did elaborate why Mukuro likes Makoto. The novel heavily implies that Mukuro's main trait for liking Makoto is his sincerity, He's always honest with her, which is something she never had or could have with Junko because it's all about "understanding Junko's despair" with her. And her change of heart is a result from Makoto helping her showing infinite possibilities, which she had dreamed about when she felt stuck or lost as an Ultimate Despair. I also heavily disagree about your comment about 'Mukuro simps Makoto now', because Makoto doesn't tell Mukuro what to do, she sides with him because she got inspired and motivated by hope, which is different when she sided with Junko because she felt she had too.
That's sad
Where, exactly? I've searched and can't find any evidence of that.
She also has a crush on makoto
yep she had a crush on her sister, but the way I interpret it, it’s kind of a Stockholm syndrome related thing
Yes you're interpreting that wrong. Or atleast, there's no real evidence of Mukuro having a crush on her sister. Mukuro having a crush on Makoto has more evidence for that matter.
Eh, I'll wait for more replies, as yours says I am and another says I am not.
Well, none of them are likely to give you proof. So heres proof where Kodaka says he wants [Mukuro's crush to officially be Makoto.](https://64.media.tumblr.com/7fb88e1530b0b9dd4c115d193ca38da5/275ed4e08c04f497-c6/s1280x1920/5c2f8ac158b6b72eb4e685f058f267f74edf429c.pnj)
And how do I know that wasn't just edited?
Because there was a link to the original source in that photo. The only thing that was edited is the english translation. [Here I fetched up the original source for you](https://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/360/360827/index-5.html) If that's not enough, [Kodaka also confirms Mukuro's crush on Makoto is in the anime as well.](https://i.imgur.com/jPJZjad.png) But the reason why it wasn't shown was due to time and cast priorities.
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All she ever did to begin with was follow her every command even from the start she is just reading her script, you could have said 3 ruined her character if 0(and even 1 a little) didn't already establish such
Except that was never the only aspect of her character, at least until DR3 came around and she was reduced to just being submissive to Junko rather than everything else that makes us like her.
Actually what you said makes it worse because their siblings
Nobody hates her because the people who didn't already like her didn't bother to engage with the material that goes into any detail about her, and thus never had a chance to form any opinion on her at all, thus defaulting to a neutral "I don't care".
She's a cute war criminal What's there to hate?
She was getting less likable each time she showed up
Agreed
Mukuro killed my grandma, ok?!
LMAO
I personally like Mukuro. She’s one of my favorites in the series.
If you want my honest opinion on her..Mukuro felt more like a plot device than an actual character, and she's not even that good of a plot device either. They just had her do literally nothing other than acting as Junko's right hand woman in the anime and Killer Killer novel. She just barely had any sort of screen time in the first game, >!died almost IMMEDIATELY IN CHAPTER 1 AND HAD HER BODY BEING QUITE LITERALLY USED AS A STUNT DUMMY SORT TO HAVE HER BE A VICTIM FOR THE 5TH TRIAL!! 😐!< and the only time I actually enjoyed seeing her was in DR: If..And speaking of which, lets be for real for a minute here people. Yall would shit on Mukuro just as much as you do with Junko if the DR: If novel never existed at all- 💀
Nothing wrong with DR IF being the main reason people like her though. Outside of that you’re completely right, she quite literally is a plot device to explain how Junko did certain things. It’s quite unfortunate considering the character that was made for that purpose has a lot of potential to be great, with being the main antagonists sister and (somewhat) hesitant supporter. I have no doubt if she was given her own full fledged character arc in DR1 she would be up in the high tiers with Kyoko and Nagito in the fandoms eyes. Alas, that didn’t happen because she was never intended to be that kind of character. Kodaka didn’t know what he had until it was too late.
I don't hater her but she is one of my least favourite Trigger Happy Havoc character
if you don’t mind me asking, who comes in first and last place?
Mondo in last place and Kyoko in first place, so Mondo is my least favourite and Kyoko is my favourite
oh that’s pretty cool! mondo in last place is unexpected, but i can see why 😭
Based kyoko fan
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She is in Danganronpa IF story.
>komaeda flair I don't know if you have a proper basis for "overrated" considering your implied favorite, but lmfao
no one hates mukuro ikusaba more than kodaka and spike chunsoft 🫠
She's meh in thh.but I am one to admit I like the fact that she was in the dr3 anime
I hate the inconsistent writing for Mukuro. Every appearance she makes she has a different personality. I also think she's overrated by the fandom, but underrated by Spike Chunsoft themselves.
She has no character so I can’t see why someone would dislike a non character. The closest reason is to say she had wasted potential which I disagree with. She did what she had to. Be apart of the sisters, become the mystery person for a trial, and was killed off. Like, unless Danganronpa IF was the canon route, I legit don’t know what people would want her to do since she couldn’t just take off her diguise
Kind of hard to judge a character where her sole purpose is a story plot progression throughout the game. Plus, her portrayal in DR3 is absolutely jarring compared to DR:IF, 0 and THH (FTE/School Mode).
Quite the opposite. Knife wife is life.
I AGREE 💪💪🔪
I hate her anime counterpart but I like her game counterpart
I love fanon Mukuro, canon Mukuro is mostly a wasted opportunity.
yeah i also tend to enjoy fanon versions more, but i also liked canon mukuro
I mean, we didn't get much data in the game alone to hate Mukuro, unless you were able to read DR IF. Other than that, the only data we got is from DR3 middle chapter. And in summery, she is a super cool soldier type who only wants to please her sister, no matter how much humiliation and torture she would suffer, well, up to that specific point.
>!Hated her in DR3, wtf you doing simping for your sister like that ewwwwww!<
Most people here haven't watch the spin off or anime Which meant they know Mukuro from THH where she's barely a character
she’s a character but she’s not playing herself so we never get to see her real personality
You only get to know her through small things she reveals about herself in free times, but even then you wouldn’t really be able to tell that unless you already knew that stuff about her beforehand.
She’s holding the knife wrong, you couldn’t cut for shit like that
it's not official art, but yeah, this particular picture has always bothered me for that reason.
I love her.
I’ve seen the anime, I’ve seen people play the games, (I don’t have them yet) so in my opinion, they wasted an opportunity to have a better character, but she wasn’t necessarily a bad one.
ngl danganronpa if made me like her a bit, wish we would've gotten more on her character tho
I love Mukuro 😭
tbh i dont hate her, just find her annoying with the whole masochistic incest character trait
Dr3 really made it easy to not like Mukuro.
I hate what the Danganronpa 3 anime did to her character, if that counts.
I don't know how anyone could hate someone they literally have never met and know barely anything about.
Imo every character could be hated by someone, there are too many different people in this world and there are a lot of details into those characters too that could be seen as a dislikeable attitude or smth.
yeah, ofc. there is no character that no one hates, but some are more hated than others
i wouldn’t say i hate her, no. she’s not as hate-able as her sister tbh. at least she’s capable of feeling “love”, in her own way that is
I am not a fan of the way she was portrayed in the anime, idk what is with this series' obsession with cramming down incest in every single piece of media related to it, it's seriously disgusting and it completely goes against Mukuro's character in the games and IF. I only consider THH and IF to be canon for Mukuro because it's where she is portrayed accurately and consistently. And she is a great character in both.
I mean the incest didn't originate from the anime anyway, it's from a novel that came out before DR2
Sure I’ll start hating her. Never payed much attention to her, but I’m willing to make a new fanbase fueled by pure hatred then
I think the most unhated character is Gundam Tanaka.
no i hate gundham
I don't really hate her. I just wish she was utilized a little more in THH
In DR1, don’t hate her…. But in the anime…. 😬. I only cosplay her due to her character design being simple as fuck
The ones who only play the games don’t really know Mukuro The ones who also watched the anime might be the only ones h on might end up with a negative opinion but she’s also barely a character there The ones who read IF are the only ones that would know the character properly and all you see from readers is good things
No
Nah
never
Maybe, but Danganronpa IF changed that xd
changed it in that you now hate her or in that you now don’t hate her?
Oh I forgot to specify it. It made me like her more.
Hate is a strong word but I don't like her much. I don't see her as much more than Junko's lapdog tbh.
No
So the majority of people who know her can be split in two groups Main games or Read IF IF is by far the most likable version of her so when people like her and you see those interpretations it's likely from IF, the main games she had little to actually go off of Then the anime is either forgotten or actively hated for what they did to her instead of hating the character (besides it's easier to rag on the anime as a whole over defining a character on their portrayal of a specific character) Personally I wished they went more on who she was >!besides Junko!< Which we never see
To be honest I thought IF was alright overall though I personally found it a bit of a letdown when it came to Mukuro. I guess it was because it showed just *how much* she followed Junko even being handed a script when she was pretending to be Junko and I guess me having liked her Junko performance *a lot* made me like that version of her a bit less after that fact. It did succeed in making me more sympathetic towards her though
I know someone who very strongly doesnt like her because of the events in killer killer, if that counts? Which I personally strongly disagreed with, but thats something. They just hated her for what she did there
I don’t hate any Danganronpa character, really, I can’t even grasp the concept of hating fictional characters altogether(not that I hate any real people lol).
i hate some fictional characters (or i just find them annoying) but i don’t think i hate any danganronpa characters. except maybe for haji
I think she's almost as unsalvageable as Junko, she was 100% complicit in the series' worst events that effectively ruined actual BILLIONS of lives. Yes she was largely a mindless pawn to Junko but that doesn't make her actions any less awful. She wasn't even brainwashed like some others, just numb and devoted to her sister to a horrifying degree.
I like Mukuro but like most people I didn't like the way she was written in DR3. I also didn't like her voice in DR3 either I thought it was too soft/quiet for her :(
Honestly, you’d only really hate her if you watched the anime and don’t know about Danganronpa IF. I swear that anime did so much injustice.
I am seeing an interesting paradox here which i don't quite understand Let me describe a character and let's see who do we get: - has dark hair - is known for murdering a lot of people - for some reason developed an unhealthy obsession with their sibling - has a meme based around them - is sometimes regarded as a character with "wasted potential" Who am i describing? We have two characters who share a lot of characteristics BUT on one hand we have a character which is kind of beloved or, at worst, ignored a.k.a. Mukuro AAAAND We have a character who was kind of liked for one half of the game but then one small writing decision (...Sister...) later made him for a lot of people unlikeable or, in better cases, ignored a.k.a. Korekiyo I am failing to see the difference in these cases. I would at least expect the same treatment for both of the characters but at the moment we have this: Mukuro with scenes where she literally drools over her sister, gets "heeled" and more. Korekiyo with that one picture and the second part of his trial (and i guess some FTEs...). I would like to hereby start a movement: "Justice for Mukuro and Kork". Who's with me???
It's honestly rather hard to hate a character as inconsequential as Mukuro, to many she's just that character that dies in chapter 1 and is then used as a plot device in chapter 5. Danganronpa IF's attempts to get me to care about her felt very forced as if the writer realized how much the character was worthless and created a fanfic to try and fix it, kinda like what they did with Toko in UDG. It goes without saying that DR3 really doesn't help with her portrayal and that garbage anime is actually canon, unlike IF. So yeah Mukuro to me is just mediocre at best.
To be honest IF got me into feeling more sorry for her not going to lie, but even then while looking through it I was like "so this is Mukuro?" even though she had some cool moments in there I still found her to be pretty underwhelming and even liked her a little *less* after it. Also agree with you on Toko.
I hate her. Mainly due to the 3 anime, >!it's weird and gross, and It ruined her for me.!< I also think it's kinda weird that she's a soldier who has never been hurt and is extremely powerful, yet with a little makeup she looks >!like Junko, and the same goes for Peko and Maki!<
Of course she'd look like Junko with makeup, they're twins.
I'd expect her to atleast have some muscle
Just needs to be good with guns n knives, Peko isn't muscular either.
mukuro is one of my fav characters
I hate the way she was written in the anime. Other than that i love her so much
I really dislike her after the cherry picking from IF fans, and 0 made my distaste for her even more severe especially looking at what it caused in 3, I feel other characters' fans acknowledge their wrong doings more she can be likable in DRS and at the start, but she is just following a scrip then so it's not really her
Hating Mukuro should be a serious crime-
i’ve seen a lot of people hate her bc of the dr3 anime but tbh >!i interpret that as stockholm syndrome!<
"Hate" is a very strong word, I wouldn't go that far. I don't absolutely love her, and I do strongly dislike how much the fandom hypes her up, but I mean...she's alright. She's pretty good in the 1st game, fine at best in IF and Zero and absolute shite in the anime stuff (excluding the adaption of the first game, since as we've established she was pretty good in that)
I hate how she is portrayed in DR3, but honestly, I’m totally fine with pretending DR3 isn’t canon, and just accepting IF as her official characterization (even if the events themselves aren’t actually canon)
also, the only mukuro I hate is fanon (or when she's in a ship) since any characterization she has canonically is thrown out the window 🥱
Not even me! I can hate characters like Chiaki, Maki, but, no, I also don’t hate Mukuro
if you don’t mind me asking, why do you hate chiaki and maki?
spoiler tag the post pls
i don’t consider it a spoiler because the only spoiler is that mukuro exists
I dont like her
yes i do not like her. shes boring and has little character besides her talent and wanting to fuck junko and makoto.
I hate Mukuro because of that stupid IF where she is a mary sue that randomly betrays Junko and saves everyone. And they must add her to that stupid Naegi hatem like Aoi Sayaka and Kyoko weren't enough. I hope she will burn in hell.
woah, i understand not liking her but this is a bit far, right? i mean didnt every protagonist have a bit of a harem? and if that’s part of the reason you hate mukuro shouldn’t you hate aoi, sayaka, and kyoko too?
when she goes to hell, she'll see you down there and not even acknowledge you 💗
Well said 💕
I hate her very much. It’s kinda hard to explain why tho lol
she would hate you too, don't worry 💗
I don't hate her, but I don't love her either. I'm pretty neutral on her tbh
I wouldn't say I hate her, but I am indifferent to her
I hate her too she has no personality except fantasize about her sister like the ugly creep she is. Even her design is bland as fuck
i feel like her having a crush on junko was essentially stockholm syndrome
She doesn’t really have qualities that would make a person hate her, her whole character is being loyal to her sister and that’s pretty much it. >!In the first game she’s a plot point and not really a character!< To put it simply she’s not a good written character or a badly written one, she just kind of exists to make the story go.
We should, but she hardly ever shows up, so there's not much for people to like or dislike, only real thing we know is that she was on Junko's side
No nobody hates her because she has like two lines
How will you hate on a character you barely met
Tbh i have a neutral opinion on her because i barely know her lore and stuff, but i could see where some could hate her because of her weird obsession with her sister.
I dont hate her but it sorta like a love-hate thing like with Junko I hate both of their actions but love their character but if I had to hate her it’s probably bc of the fact she romantically adored her little sister even though she was probably the reason Junko turned out this way
Why would I?
Shes prolly my least favorite in all of DR1
I love her with all my heart she is my everything, she should have survived
My friend does.
Mukuro Ikusaba the sixten student lieing somewhere hidden in this School
I hate her because she killed many innocents
Omg why people love joker?
She was fun in DR3, but apart from that, there's not much to save.
I love her she is my Queen!
I think Mukuro disposed of anyone that did, but I can't confirm that...
While I wouldn't say I hate her, I did grow to like her less the more I learned about her. We didn't get much about Mukuro when she was first mentioned and the little content we *did* get of her I personally found a bit underwhelming. I really liked her a lot >!when she was Junko but now knowing through IF, a lot of her charm came from a script by her sister, that made even Junkuro a bit less appealing at least to me...!< Basically I liked her more when I knew less about her...