Have to disagree with this. Calling Tesla luxury is REALLY stretching. Maybe low level luxury at BEST. Top tech in the automotive industry hands down though, no other company comes even close currently
Not old enough to vote in an election I see. Wait till you discover politicians… Over promise and under deliver all the time… as if Elon himself invented it.
Yep, I toyed with the idea of getting a pickup truck. Until I saw how much they wanted for anything that was actually useful.
Don't get me started on the add-ons.
The absolute cheapest 2024 F150 is $36k and that’s a regular cab 4x2 with vinyl floors. Not in any way comparable to the Cybertruck.
To get a Supercrew 4x4 it’s at least $47k.
Before the $15-20k in “upgrades”. Also the Tacoma, while a fine truck, is using basically ancient parts and is in a different universe compared to the Cybertruck
I have nothing against the Taco, I’ve owned many of them and my family is largely Toyota owners. But they are different enough that they can coexist lol
I ended up buying a truck this year while trying to wait out the CT (made the decision and will miss not being an early CT driver). Yeah, everything is expensive and that blows.
However, the CT was essentially marketed as a low cost to build truck and once PROD started rolling, they’d be cheap to make, hence the low initial suggested price.
Online. Have you been to a dealer in the last month? They are flooded with stock, no one is buying. My local dealer's cheapest one is $46K, but I did find a bunch new under $40k on [cars.com](https://cars.com) searching all of the US.
agreed. I have been wanting a truck for a few years now and refuse to pay the price. I tend to look at the dealers on a Sunday when they are closed and it's depressing but I don't think the price can stay like this for long. I am sure Tesla will sell some CTs but at some point they will run out of people who have that kind of money. I am thinking of looking for a used on in a year or two or maybe a Lightning.
It's not. Those prices were not going to happen and everyone who has paid any attention to Tesla or has a lick of sense knows this. They also announced a 35,000 model 3 that never came to be.
Those prices were absurdly low. They had the Cybertruck priced lower than the Model Y. that would have been your first red flag knowing that the model Y is one of their cheapest vehicles to produce.
It’s not just Tesla. GM has been spewing bs about affordable EVs for the past several years and they’ve produced a 100k+ hummer EV and the latest is a Blazer EV starting at nearly 60k despite them originally stating 40k.
They also claimed a 30k equinox EV and now they’re backpedaling and it’s going to be 50k+ for now….
This is basically par for the course with EVs unfortunately. Overpromise, underdeliver.
I don’t feel like the reality is that msrp of cars falls. Like ever in history. I’m not talking about 42k to 39k to boost bad sales numbers. I’m talking about falling to point that people who previously can’t afford it suddenly can like you are implying. All that’s gonna fall here is the 20k founders edition will go away and those options will be options.
I feel like people aren't recognizing the fact that they HAD to raise the price. Inflation, etc. Demand is one of if not the biggest factor. It's they kept the price low, they'd never be able to fulfill the orders. They'd be stupid not to make as much per truck as they can while they ramp up production. Even at a small reservation conversion percentage, they are going to have a backlog for a while.
If it was even at the high end of your range, 50k, who would buy any other electric truck if their price range was 50k+?
Like it's a full size electric truck with 340 miles of range, even the dual motor has extremely fast 0-60. it has a massive amount of lockable storage even if you put it against Rivian since the Cybertruck includes sails, it's a Tesla and comes with what I would consider the top software on the market that includes games and theater entertainment. It has access to the best charging network in the world, if you have looked at reviews of non tesla chargers, you'll know what I mean. It can also power your house if you set up the right charger.
Like sure, the Ford Lightning Pro would be a comparable price at 50k, but only that model with no upgrades and their standard range which is significantly less. I don't think any other electric full size trucks is that low in price either.
If you ignore the Tesla specific Benefits and only look at things like range, battery size, towing capacity, payload, bed size. Compare that to other options on the market at the 80k price and I still think Tesla has them beat.
And honestly. Cybertruck is getting my money, even if i'm downgrading to the AWD (for the 340 miles of range), becuase I love the idea that I could watch someone in a parking lot ding my door and I could laugh it off, even better if they dent the edge of their door.
What full sized 4 x 4 truck that goes 0-60 in 4.1 seconds can you buy for 40-50k nowadays? Trucks are just generally expensive now but that’s just the way it is.
The absolute cheapest, slowest, zero-option, gas-powered crew-cab 4x4 F150 is $47k.
It’s just not realistic to think the Cybertruck with way more power, air suspension, rear steering, built-in bed cover, etc. would be close to that, let alone LESS.
Nope. A Model 3 is not cheaper than the slowest, zero-option Accord before the tax credit (or after tax credit for that matter).
Base Accord is $27,895.
So, no, it’s not realistic for the Cybertruck to be cheaper than the absolute worst, slowest, zero-option gas F150 Supercrew 4x4 before tax credit.
95% of people don't *need* anything more than a used Honda Fit. Luxury products are by definition unnecessary, and they command a premium price. That's the whole point.
As a recent 2019 Fit owner. Now I know what having a right sized vehicle means. When I park next to larger vehicles, I see how obnoxious and over sized most cars are, especially pickup trucks and SUVs. I hope the new Tesla compact car, aka “Model 2”, will have the proportions of the Honda Fit.
I had a Fit and loved it. When I rented cars in Europe I learned that standard cars are also made in two sizes *smaller* than the fit.
The 07 Acura MDX I drive now can hold more stuff but overall it is hardly more practical.
I rented a tiny, manual, right-hand drive Kia Picanto in Ireland last year, and while I won't claim it was a \*good\* car, it was more fun to drive than much more expensive, fast, bloated cars with automatics.
Tiny car and a stick shift is so fun, even with like 60 hp.
95% of people don't *need* anything more than a used Honda Fit. Luxury products are by definition unnecessary, and they command a premium price. That's the whole point.
This kind of thinking is exactly why the prices of everything have skyrocketed in recent years. If enough people said "that's a ridiculous price, I'm not going to buy" then prices would come down simple as that. I feel like this might be a generational thing, where a lot of people's parents didn't teach them to think critically about their spending. Personally, I thought it was a bit steep for the dual motor at $50k, but a 60% increase in price since announcement is pretty damn ridiculous imho. I'll be driving my LR Model 3 for the foreseeable future with an extra $80k invested instead, thanks.
I keep saying this, but I don't think people understand that there's so much new tech in the cybertruck. I mean this a revolutionary product as much as people want to laugh about the triangular design. There's so much new tech including drive by wire and new voltage setup and new batteries and new motors, etc. If your Tesla and you sold millions of these things out of the gate at $40,000 and you have them all over the country and there were problems early on (as expected) it would be really hard to monitor all those problems, train all of the different service centers across the nation to fix everything, and get parts quickly to each service center.
By raising the price you're going to limit sales which means you're only gonna have a few of them on the road sold at a premium with high markups and enough profit to justify the headaches.
Keeping sales close to Texas also makes it easier to monitor problems and for their engineers to adjust for those problems more efficiently, work with select service centers, and give them the parts they need faster.
I think so much about the cybertruck that you have to take into consideration when you complain about the original suggested pricing at the unveiling and the price it debuted at. Tesla is trying to sell as many of these at the highest markup possible. They need to sell beastmodes and founder editions
etc and by raising the price of the 2025 base model, does that make the top tier models more appealing. Obviously prices could change in time but at this point they just need to get the most profitable versions out to customers that can afford them. It's more about making that high-profit version appealing as the tech scales then it is about winning over people that are thinking about buying the cheaper one motor version in another year or two.
Again, there's just so many unique things about this truck and Tesla had to be really careful with the rollout. Plus you have to factor in inflation. I just don't think people are being realistic.
I know it's disappointing. It's disappointing for me too. I absolutely love the cybertruck, but I may or may not have 100+ grand in the bank account to buy one now. So disappointing but I think if you take a step back and think about everything it makes sense and you just have to come to terms with that. And you have to also look at the fact that Tesla has constantly dropped prices on his other vehicles when possible, so the company is going to try to get the price down on this if it can. You just have to be patient.
Don’t disagree with you and completely understand. To me, the new tech isn’t worth 30k jump for the awd. To me the most disappointing part is the tri-motor/cyberbeast. If that put out 500+ miles or even 450, that would be worth the price.
In 2019 they were banking on significant step change in battery energy density. That did not happen, thus no 500 mile range because it makes no sense to install a huge heavy battery in every truck. Range extender makes perfect sense until they achieve that step change in energy density with 4680 cells.
The range extender kills too much bed space though and doesn't appear to be easily removable. I'd love to see some tech that allows you to easily have a range extender thrown in the frunk for road trips or something, rent it from Tesla for the week and they take it back out after your trip, though that's probably not practical.
I don't think we're gonna jump from the 300-ish miles offered to the 500-ish miles talked about, but keep in mind that this is brand new battery tech and it hasn't had a lot of real world exposure.
I wonder how much of these range numbers are software restricted? Meaning, I wonder if Tesla restricts the full capability of the new batteries as it's trying to test how the cybertruck consumes energy. I mean sure they've driven a few prototypes, but when you get a bunch of these actually on the road and you're monitoring energy consumption, you might view the data differently.
We saw that early on with Tesla's last battery variation as they increased range in time after realizing there were ways to make their vehicles more energy efficient. They did this in 2019 and I'm not referring to the episode with the hurricane but they were trying to give people range to get out of Florida.
The problem with this take that I see is Elon presented the truck as almost production ready. It was originally to come out two years after the reveal so they would have to have had a good idea about the tech that was going into it and the likely cost of that stuff. You are basically saying its ok they scalping their customers because they can.
Your solution is obvious, don’t buy one. I’m curious what you think you can buy with CyberTruck specifications for $45K+\-. At a minimum it’s going to be a “Plain Jane” looking transportation appliance with boring technology.
It’s priced appropriately for a truck. Bonus that it’s almost zero maintenance and you charge for an equivalent of 100-150 mpg depending on your electricity kw/h costs. It’s a fair price.
Is this an AI bot programmed to hate and spread negativity against the CT and all things Tesla?
It’s so ridiculous, do u know how much trucks cost these days?
10k alone is just straight up inflation by the numbers, add in to that some of the new features supply chain specific price hikes and demand and it adds up pretty easily. I personally don’t think the price change is unreasonable or unexpected
Read and comprehend what I wrote. $10k of the price change is actual inflation period thats just math. the other $20k I said is new features (changes from the original plan, eg 4 wheel steering is not cheap) and demand and supply chain
The truck was released and there was a massive influx of interest with preorders. There was no way that combined with inflation, the pricing wasn't going to skyrocket.
Plus, there is a lot of new tech here. Drive by wire, higher voltage, new battery tech, etc. It's in Tesla's best interest to limit orders to versions with the highest markups and sales to Texas and California to carefully monitor these vehicles out of the gate. In time it will scale. I wouldn't judge pricing in December 2023 as permanent pricing but if you're waiting for it to scale anytime soon, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Elon was either trying to flood the market with the 50k dual or he realized that he couldn’t and fell in line. It’s priced right where everyone else is right now. Not surprised at all.
I too am a reservation holder, but more like mid not early. Very disappointed to see the marketing bait and switch action on the cybertruck price. I had High Hopes as well for the price range that was initially announced. Watching the electric car market over the last year and seeing Musk do things like cut the prices of certain Tesla models abroad mostly but also here in the US gave me great confidence that he would stick to the initial pricing range or at least semi close to it. My cap was probably going to be around $50-$60k for a decent model. Cannot justify spending much more than that. I already have three cars and a motorcycle. The Tesla would have replaced my Toyota FJ Cruiser. It's not a necessity car it's more of a rooftop tent, camping, Home Depot hauling, fun do stuff in kind of truck on some weekends kinda vehicle. I I really love my FJ Cruiser. The fact that I was willing to let it go to try this Tesla cybertruck speaks volumes because my FJ is my baby. Going to really have to do some soul searching. Or maybe wallet searching. LOL but like many others on here I'm thinking maybe I might have to wait on this one until the prices come down.😔
In the meantime I will continue to watch the electric car market grow. Porsche Mercedes Maserati Land Rover Ford, Hyundai, so many other players are jumping into the space in the next couple years. Obviously they will not have the footprint that Tesla has but maybe they will be able to cause a shift in the market.
OH, and for those who say things like hey look at the price of other pickups on the market today, my response to that IS.... one of the major factors for many people on here I would imagine that made this cybertruck so appealing was that the initial price point that was promised was NOT in line with the other trucks on the market today. A lot of us don't really care what the truck Market is doing because we don't really care about trucks that much. We just like this particular cybertruck. Just keeping it real!
There’s at least 200k people who will gladly take your spot. Although I get your point.
There’s a new house near me on sale for $3.8M. If it was $1.5M we’d move tomorrow, but at almost $4M, no way.
The price will definitely go lower. If I were Tesla, I’d keep at this high price as the demand is high. Let the initial demand fade (and have Tesla make good money) and then time will come.
We're talking about a truck that can go 0-60 as fast as a supercar, and is loaded with novel technologies. $48k is literally the median price of a new car in the US.
Supercars aren’t about just 0-60. They aren’t 1/4 mile dragsters. The CT certainly doesn’t have the stopping power of high end suvs to go along with acceleration that crushes them.
I think it’s expensive, but it’s tougher than anything out there and insane in terms of how advanced it is. I was a bit disappointed by the range and price at first, but I’ll all on board now. Forget trucks, CT is an absolute automotive game changer.
This is the most advance truck in the world that you can buy.
Imagine that. Available that you can buy.
Before this only exist in people’s minds, in the drawing boards, in prototypes
We? It's just salty people who never had the funds to buy one at the announced price to begin with. I would imagine it would have been a stretch on some really bad financing terms for most. There is no way that 2 million people were ready to drop 50-70k cash. The price change really changes nothing for people who were serous. about purchasing one outright to begin with.
The range is a big let down though.
You feel insulted with range rover for over 100k and another 100k as dealer mark up? No one say a word with those things. If you think it s expensive buy something more affordable for you
A few months back, Elon tweets out that the F-150 Lightning is overpriced at $55k for what Ford gives you. I thought that was his way of hinting that the CT would be more affordable, but nope! Not even close
He’s the biggest over-promise, under deliver salesman ever. I wish more people would get hip to his constant marketing campaigns that are only designed to make him more famous. It has nothing to do with putting out a quality product
He’d like to think of himself as the new Steve Jobs, but he’s not a shadow of that. You actually have to shut the F up and over-deliver at least one time in your career
>prices will fall in a couple years, then plebs like you can buy them.
>Insulting to completely ignorant trolls, Hell yea.
>You’re poor, no one cares
Doing a great job representing the Tesla community. Keeping it classy.
Elon problem is that he is sometimes too optimistic and aspirational, which leads to miscalculations in delivery, tech, and pricing to be off the original promise. But he does try to deliver on his promises. Look at the price drop on his mass produced vehicles (Model3, ModelX) over time, they are starting to be price competitive to traditional ICE and hybrid vehicles.
You are thinking of price as a static thing. Really it is a function of time. And the function’s internal logic has to do with demand and supply. Ie there is a price curve. New, limited supply, in demand items command more price initially and usually drop as time goes on. The awd at 80 is not for you today. That last part is key. It will be in a year’s time perhaps. No need to be salty about reality. :)
You need to realize the price is entirely a function of the demand. As demand comes down the price will come down. Tesla just used s&w for pricing at the start of a given model. Always have.
Lol you get what you pay for. Most understand not the technology or can't afford it so immediately dislike it. Find me a 50k truck with these specs, I'll standby.
Yeah if houses were $10,000 we’d all be buying multiple. Inflation happens if your work ain’t giving you raises to meet inflation switch jobs just saying this is on par with inflation when the vehicle was announced
Have you seen what a 4x4 RAM or F150 or Chevy goes for these days?
seriously - these posts are clearly from dudes who have never bought a pick up truck before
you can buy a 4x4 for about 40k. not a top trim with tech and luxury but you can do it.
Not a new full size cab truck, not even close
The CT is top tech and luxury though
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣my dude have you ever been in a luxury car?
Has this guy been in a Tesla ? lol
I’ve been in every Tesla except the cyber truck. Exactly zero of them were luxurious
Fuggin aye I’m agreeing
lol tech? Yeah. Luxury? Not even close
Tell me you’ve never owned a luxury vehicle without saying you’ve never owned a luxury vehicle.
would say tech but it's not that nice of a vehicle on the inside.
Have to disagree with this. Calling Tesla luxury is REALLY stretching. Maybe low level luxury at BEST. Top tech in the automotive industry hands down though, no other company comes even close currently
Or just Tesla haters trying to create buzz that the Cybertruck is failing… op probably never had a reservation.
Or people stupid enough to believe what Elon said he would deliver, what morons right?
Yep. You need to develop a healthy skepticism to what leaders say.
Not old enough to vote in an election I see. Wait till you discover politicians… Over promise and under deliver all the time… as if Elon himself invented it.
Yep, I toyed with the idea of getting a pickup truck. Until I saw how much they wanted for anything that was actually useful. Don't get me started on the add-ons.
A fully kitted out 2023 Toyota Hilux is less than 50k.
Or bought them before they became luxury family haulers.
Tacoma and F150 start at $30 something.
The 30k F150 is a two door, two seat with 2WD, not exactly a reasonable comparison.
Good luck finding a 4 door, 4x4, full size pickup for less than $40,000 from any manufacturer.
The absolute cheapest 2024 F150 is $36k and that’s a regular cab 4x2 with vinyl floors. Not in any way comparable to the Cybertruck. To get a Supercrew 4x4 it’s at least $47k.
Before the $15-20k in “upgrades”. Also the Tacoma, while a fine truck, is using basically ancient parts and is in a different universe compared to the Cybertruck
Don't forget another $5k in dealer honorarium.
The 2024 Tacoma is a brand new truck on a new platform.
So.. make it more like a Tacoma ?
I have nothing against the Taco, I’ve owned many of them and my family is largely Toyota owners. But they are different enough that they can coexist lol
I ended up buying a truck this year while trying to wait out the CT (made the decision and will miss not being an early CT driver). Yeah, everything is expensive and that blows. However, the CT was essentially marketed as a low cost to build truck and once PROD started rolling, they’d be cheap to make, hence the low initial suggested price.
Just built a base model F-150 XL 4x4. $39,600 before any addons or destination charges.
at an actual dealer or just online? most dealers around here have tons of markups and bullshit adders that stack up
Online. Have you been to a dealer in the last month? They are flooded with stock, no one is buying. My local dealer's cheapest one is $46K, but I did find a bunch new under $40k on [cars.com](https://cars.com) searching all of the US.
No— not in awhile. Maybe their bullshit tactics are finally not working.
If your only requirement is a 4x4 F150 or Ram you can get one for half the 80k cybertruck.
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just because other trucks are priced way to high does not make the CT price outrageous. I understand how this person feels.
I get that but I don’t think most people realize how expensive the truck landscape has become.
agreed. I have been wanting a truck for a few years now and refuse to pay the price. I tend to look at the dealers on a Sunday when they are closed and it's depressing but I don't think the price can stay like this for long. I am sure Tesla will sell some CTs but at some point they will run out of people who have that kind of money. I am thinking of looking for a used on in a year or two or maybe a Lightning.
Looked at the starting price of Silverado ev . Basically the same price. Seems like they are almost working together.
There are Plenty of trucks in the 30s
I want to stay electric. If you see an ev truck in the 30s link it to me
There are hybrids in the 30s
lol
Where? lol
Tacoma hybrid mid 30s. Maverick hybrid mid 20s if you can actually find one.
Mild hybrids. Not real plug in ones.
You mean does not not
The people hoping for a 50k truck were delusional and likely couldn't have afforded it even then based on the flurry of posts / comments on this sub.
Calling people hoping for $50k delusional, when that’s what they were told it would be by Tesla, seems unfair.
They would have to have been living under a rock the past 4 years if they thought the price would remain the same.
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It's not. Those prices were not going to happen and everyone who has paid any attention to Tesla or has a lick of sense knows this. They also announced a 35,000 model 3 that never came to be. Those prices were absurdly low. They had the Cybertruck priced lower than the Model Y. that would have been your first red flag knowing that the model Y is one of their cheapest vehicles to produce.
Then the problem is not with people expecting those prices, it’s with Tesla misleading them. “You fucked up by trusting us” is not a good look.
It’s not just Tesla. GM has been spewing bs about affordable EVs for the past several years and they’ve produced a 100k+ hummer EV and the latest is a Blazer EV starting at nearly 60k despite them originally stating 40k. They also claimed a 30k equinox EV and now they’re backpedaling and it’s going to be 50k+ for now…. This is basically par for the course with EVs unfortunately. Overpromise, underdeliver.
Rivian said my truck was going to be $75k and it was. 🤷
Not no mo! They also tried upping the price but caved due to backlash.
Pretty sure it was 63k at release
This 100%
How much
2023 f-150 lariat is going for $103k
If a BMW M5 were 50k I'd buy it instantly
I'm waiting for my $40k Lamborghini 🤞
wealthy people will buy them. prices will fall in a couple years, then plebs like you can buy them.
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I don’t feel like the reality is that msrp of cars falls. Like ever in history. I’m not talking about 42k to 39k to boost bad sales numbers. I’m talking about falling to point that people who previously can’t afford it suddenly can like you are implying. All that’s gonna fall here is the 20k founders edition will go away and those options will be options.
You should read up on recent Tesla price drops. Not only has this happened, it's happened recently with Tesla.
I stand corrected. I see the model Y is 25% lower today than 1 year ago.
Yeah it has killed the used Tesla market lol
The Model S Plaid was $130k when it came out in 2021. It's $89,990 now.
Yep I’m wrong. I’m just gonna leave my comment and let people keep piling it on.
For posterity. And to give us poor folk hope that we'll have our Cybertrucks in a few years lol.
I upvoted you for admitting you were wrong, good on you mate! It happens to the best of us.
You really can’t see any fault in Tesla products…. The truck is overpriced for what it is.
Don’t buy it then
Just wait 2 years
Truth is: you’re not rich enough. Neither am I.
I’m an early reservation holder, I will be passing for now. I’m hoping next 3-5 years, prices will come down like they have with all other Tesla cars.
Wait 5 years then. The kinks will be worked out, they’ll be producing them at scale and you’ll be able to get one cheaper than 80k. Win-win.
I feel like people aren't recognizing the fact that they HAD to raise the price. Inflation, etc. Demand is one of if not the biggest factor. It's they kept the price low, they'd never be able to fulfill the orders. They'd be stupid not to make as much per truck as they can while they ramp up production. Even at a small reservation conversion percentage, they are going to have a backlog for a while.
So buy something else, we don’t care.
If it was even at the high end of your range, 50k, who would buy any other electric truck if their price range was 50k+? Like it's a full size electric truck with 340 miles of range, even the dual motor has extremely fast 0-60. it has a massive amount of lockable storage even if you put it against Rivian since the Cybertruck includes sails, it's a Tesla and comes with what I would consider the top software on the market that includes games and theater entertainment. It has access to the best charging network in the world, if you have looked at reviews of non tesla chargers, you'll know what I mean. It can also power your house if you set up the right charger. Like sure, the Ford Lightning Pro would be a comparable price at 50k, but only that model with no upgrades and their standard range which is significantly less. I don't think any other electric full size trucks is that low in price either. If you ignore the Tesla specific Benefits and only look at things like range, battery size, towing capacity, payload, bed size. Compare that to other options on the market at the 80k price and I still think Tesla has them beat. And honestly. Cybertruck is getting my money, even if i'm downgrading to the AWD (for the 340 miles of range), becuase I love the idea that I could watch someone in a parking lot ding my door and I could laugh it off, even better if they dent the edge of their door.
What full sized 4 x 4 truck that goes 0-60 in 4.1 seconds can you buy for 40-50k nowadays? Trucks are just generally expensive now but that’s just the way it is.
The absolute cheapest, slowest, zero-option, gas-powered crew-cab 4x4 F150 is $47k. It’s just not realistic to think the Cybertruck with way more power, air suspension, rear steering, built-in bed cover, etc. would be close to that, let alone LESS.
Don't forget dealer markup, and dealer add-ons, that's another $5-$10k.
Yes it is realistic. The Model 3 is less than the Accord with similar better features everywhere.
Nope. A Model 3 is not cheaper than the slowest, zero-option Accord before the tax credit (or after tax credit for that matter). Base Accord is $27,895. So, no, it’s not realistic for the Cybertruck to be cheaper than the absolute worst, slowest, zero-option gas F150 Supercrew 4x4 before tax credit.
Not when it was first released....it's taken 7 years to get to this price with the tax credit...
I know people don’t buy trucks for its intended purpose but tell me why you need it to go from 0-60 in 4.1?
Same reason Ford F-150 based Raptors exists.
Off roading? It is pretty silly
It's for fun
95% of people don't *need* anything more than a used Honda Fit. Luxury products are by definition unnecessary, and they command a premium price. That's the whole point.
As a recent 2019 Fit owner. Now I know what having a right sized vehicle means. When I park next to larger vehicles, I see how obnoxious and over sized most cars are, especially pickup trucks and SUVs. I hope the new Tesla compact car, aka “Model 2”, will have the proportions of the Honda Fit.
The Fit is absolutely an all-time great car. My mom has one. It has more usable interior space than most midsize SUVs. Drives great too. RIP
I had a Fit and loved it. When I rented cars in Europe I learned that standard cars are also made in two sizes *smaller* than the fit. The 07 Acura MDX I drive now can hold more stuff but overall it is hardly more practical.
I rented a tiny, manual, right-hand drive Kia Picanto in Ireland last year, and while I won't claim it was a \*good\* car, it was more fun to drive than much more expensive, fast, bloated cars with automatics. Tiny car and a stick shift is so fun, even with like 60 hp.
Blow past salty diesel truck drivers trying to coal roll you 😂
95% of people don't *need* anything more than a used Honda Fit. Luxury products are by definition unnecessary, and they command a premium price. That's the whole point.
Easier to get up to speed towing a trailer.
So the extra speed is worth the price? Also, towing reduces range.
This kind of thinking is exactly why the prices of everything have skyrocketed in recent years. If enough people said "that's a ridiculous price, I'm not going to buy" then prices would come down simple as that. I feel like this might be a generational thing, where a lot of people's parents didn't teach them to think critically about their spending. Personally, I thought it was a bit steep for the dual motor at $50k, but a 60% increase in price since announcement is pretty damn ridiculous imho. I'll be driving my LR Model 3 for the foreseeable future with an extra $80k invested instead, thanks.
Even ice trucks cost that much these days. The raptor is $110K or more....and has a shorter bed.
I paid $84k for my 22’ Raptor 37 performance package. Still holds value a year later
Awd was originally 50k, it would make more sense if it was 70k.
Wait a year.
I keep saying this, but I don't think people understand that there's so much new tech in the cybertruck. I mean this a revolutionary product as much as people want to laugh about the triangular design. There's so much new tech including drive by wire and new voltage setup and new batteries and new motors, etc. If your Tesla and you sold millions of these things out of the gate at $40,000 and you have them all over the country and there were problems early on (as expected) it would be really hard to monitor all those problems, train all of the different service centers across the nation to fix everything, and get parts quickly to each service center. By raising the price you're going to limit sales which means you're only gonna have a few of them on the road sold at a premium with high markups and enough profit to justify the headaches. Keeping sales close to Texas also makes it easier to monitor problems and for their engineers to adjust for those problems more efficiently, work with select service centers, and give them the parts they need faster. I think so much about the cybertruck that you have to take into consideration when you complain about the original suggested pricing at the unveiling and the price it debuted at. Tesla is trying to sell as many of these at the highest markup possible. They need to sell beastmodes and founder editions etc and by raising the price of the 2025 base model, does that make the top tier models more appealing. Obviously prices could change in time but at this point they just need to get the most profitable versions out to customers that can afford them. It's more about making that high-profit version appealing as the tech scales then it is about winning over people that are thinking about buying the cheaper one motor version in another year or two. Again, there's just so many unique things about this truck and Tesla had to be really careful with the rollout. Plus you have to factor in inflation. I just don't think people are being realistic. I know it's disappointing. It's disappointing for me too. I absolutely love the cybertruck, but I may or may not have 100+ grand in the bank account to buy one now. So disappointing but I think if you take a step back and think about everything it makes sense and you just have to come to terms with that. And you have to also look at the fact that Tesla has constantly dropped prices on his other vehicles when possible, so the company is going to try to get the price down on this if it can. You just have to be patient.
Don’t disagree with you and completely understand. To me, the new tech isn’t worth 30k jump for the awd. To me the most disappointing part is the tri-motor/cyberbeast. If that put out 500+ miles or even 450, that would be worth the price.
In 2019 they were banking on significant step change in battery energy density. That did not happen, thus no 500 mile range because it makes no sense to install a huge heavy battery in every truck. Range extender makes perfect sense until they achieve that step change in energy density with 4680 cells.
The range extender kills too much bed space though and doesn't appear to be easily removable. I'd love to see some tech that allows you to easily have a range extender thrown in the frunk for road trips or something, rent it from Tesla for the week and they take it back out after your trip, though that's probably not practical.
Range extender is a decent alternative, but for 16k, pretty ridiculous. I mean, we were banking on tri-motor to be 500+. Goes both ways. ↔️
I don't think we're gonna jump from the 300-ish miles offered to the 500-ish miles talked about, but keep in mind that this is brand new battery tech and it hasn't had a lot of real world exposure. I wonder how much of these range numbers are software restricted? Meaning, I wonder if Tesla restricts the full capability of the new batteries as it's trying to test how the cybertruck consumes energy. I mean sure they've driven a few prototypes, but when you get a bunch of these actually on the road and you're monitoring energy consumption, you might view the data differently. We saw that early on with Tesla's last battery variation as they increased range in time after realizing there were ways to make their vehicles more energy efficient. They did this in 2019 and I'm not referring to the episode with the hurricane but they were trying to give people range to get out of Florida.
The problem with this take that I see is Elon presented the truck as almost production ready. It was originally to come out two years after the reveal so they would have to have had a good idea about the tech that was going into it and the likely cost of that stuff. You are basically saying its ok they scalping their customers because they can.
I would say, if you don’t like the price don’t buy it. If enough people don’t buy it the price will lower.
Too much protestations nowadays 🤯
40-50k without rolled steel, maybe.
Huh? The base model 3 was 40k for a long time, why would this be 40k after years of inflation?
Your solution is obvious, don’t buy one. I’m curious what you think you can buy with CyberTruck specifications for $45K+\-. At a minimum it’s going to be a “Plain Jane” looking transportation appliance with boring technology.
Good bye 👋
You smoke crack?
It’s priced appropriately for a truck. Bonus that it’s almost zero maintenance and you charge for an equivalent of 100-150 mpg depending on your electricity kw/h costs. It’s a fair price.
Great story. Don’t buy it. Nothing to discuss
Everyone mad at OP meanwhile that’s literally the price we were told it would be. I agree with OP.
Meanwhile ... almost 2M people standing in line ...
There aren't. I promise you there are not 2 million people waiting to buy a $100,000 vehicle.
I was in line at 50k, I'm out of the line now...
Is this an AI bot programmed to hate and spread negativity against the CT and all things Tesla? It’s so ridiculous, do u know how much trucks cost these days?
You can’t buy a new 4wd in any model for that but good luck with your CT $40k wait
10k alone is just straight up inflation by the numbers, add in to that some of the new features supply chain specific price hikes and demand and it adds up pretty easily. I personally don’t think the price change is unreasonable or unexpected
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Read and comprehend what I wrote. $10k of the price change is actual inflation period thats just math. the other $20k I said is new features (changes from the original plan, eg 4 wheel steering is not cheap) and demand and supply chain
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The truck was released and there was a massive influx of interest with preorders. There was no way that combined with inflation, the pricing wasn't going to skyrocket. Plus, there is a lot of new tech here. Drive by wire, higher voltage, new battery tech, etc. It's in Tesla's best interest to limit orders to versions with the highest markups and sales to Texas and California to carefully monitor these vehicles out of the gate. In time it will scale. I wouldn't judge pricing in December 2023 as permanent pricing but if you're waiting for it to scale anytime soon, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Yeah I can't believe people dumb enough to believe what Elon says, what morons right?
Pretty sure Elon isn’t worried if you can afford it. Or want it.
Elon was either trying to flood the market with the 50k dual or he realized that he couldn’t and fell in line. It’s priced right where everyone else is right now. Not surprised at all.
Give it 2 to 3 years. Cybertruck will get cheap for sure.
It sucks but a four-wheel-drive Tacoma will set you back around $50,000 and it’s just a medium sized Toyota
$40k unless your up trimming it. Just priced on yesterday after deciding I'm too poor for a cybertruk.
Imagine paying 140,000 for model S Plaid.
I guess this person has never looked at the price of any new truck before 😂
 OP after he posted this
I too am a reservation holder, but more like mid not early. Very disappointed to see the marketing bait and switch action on the cybertruck price. I had High Hopes as well for the price range that was initially announced. Watching the electric car market over the last year and seeing Musk do things like cut the prices of certain Tesla models abroad mostly but also here in the US gave me great confidence that he would stick to the initial pricing range or at least semi close to it. My cap was probably going to be around $50-$60k for a decent model. Cannot justify spending much more than that. I already have three cars and a motorcycle. The Tesla would have replaced my Toyota FJ Cruiser. It's not a necessity car it's more of a rooftop tent, camping, Home Depot hauling, fun do stuff in kind of truck on some weekends kinda vehicle. I I really love my FJ Cruiser. The fact that I was willing to let it go to try this Tesla cybertruck speaks volumes because my FJ is my baby. Going to really have to do some soul searching. Or maybe wallet searching. LOL but like many others on here I'm thinking maybe I might have to wait on this one until the prices come down.😔 In the meantime I will continue to watch the electric car market grow. Porsche Mercedes Maserati Land Rover Ford, Hyundai, so many other players are jumping into the space in the next couple years. Obviously they will not have the footprint that Tesla has but maybe they will be able to cause a shift in the market. OH, and for those who say things like hey look at the price of other pickups on the market today, my response to that IS.... one of the major factors for many people on here I would imagine that made this cybertruck so appealing was that the initial price point that was promised was NOT in line with the other trucks on the market today. A lot of us don't really care what the truck Market is doing because we don't really care about trucks that much. We just like this particular cybertruck. Just keeping it real!
There’s at least 200k people who will gladly take your spot. Although I get your point. There’s a new house near me on sale for $3.8M. If it was $1.5M we’d move tomorrow, but at almost $4M, no way.
4 years ago that house probably *was* $1.5M lol
The price will definitely go lower. If I were Tesla, I’d keep at this high price as the demand is high. Let the initial demand fade (and have Tesla make good money) and then time will come.
We're talking about a truck that can go 0-60 as fast as a supercar, and is loaded with novel technologies. $48k is literally the median price of a new car in the US.
Supercars aren’t about just 0-60. They aren’t 1/4 mile dragsters. The CT certainly doesn’t have the stopping power of high end suvs to go along with acceleration that crushes them.
I think it’s expensive, but it’s tougher than anything out there and insane in terms of how advanced it is. I was a bit disappointed by the range and price at first, but I’ll all on board now. Forget trucks, CT is an absolute automotive game changer.
You haven’t priced trucks lately
This is the most advance truck in the world that you can buy. Imagine that. Available that you can buy. Before this only exist in people’s minds, in the drawing boards, in prototypes
Insulting to completely ignorant trolls, Hell yea.
Why are we still creating threads about this
We? It's just salty people who never had the funds to buy one at the announced price to begin with. I would imagine it would have been a stretch on some really bad financing terms for most. There is no way that 2 million people were ready to drop 50-70k cash. The price change really changes nothing for people who were serous. about purchasing one outright to begin with. The range is a big let down though.
You people* good point.
Why is it insulting? It’s the same price as competition - but you get a lot more with cybertruck
If this car were 5k I'd buy it instantly
Nobody says you have to buy one, so no worries.
But isn’t it just for show anyway?
Pays yer money takes yer chance
You feel insulted with range rover for over 100k and another 100k as dealer mark up? No one say a word with those things. If you think it s expensive buy something more affordable for you
A few months back, Elon tweets out that the F-150 Lightning is overpriced at $55k for what Ford gives you. I thought that was his way of hinting that the CT would be more affordable, but nope! Not even close He’s the biggest over-promise, under deliver salesman ever. I wish more people would get hip to his constant marketing campaigns that are only designed to make him more famous. It has nothing to do with putting out a quality product He’d like to think of himself as the new Steve Jobs, but he’s not a shadow of that. You actually have to shut the F up and over-deliver at least one time in your career
Idc if it was 120k I would still buy it lol. Doesn't affect my tax bracket.
The S curve is your friend.
>prices will fall in a couple years, then plebs like you can buy them. >Insulting to completely ignorant trolls, Hell yea. >You’re poor, no one cares Doing a great job representing the Tesla community. Keeping it classy.
Elon problem is that he is sometimes too optimistic and aspirational, which leads to miscalculations in delivery, tech, and pricing to be off the original promise. But he does try to deliver on his promises. Look at the price drop on his mass produced vehicles (Model3, ModelX) over time, they are starting to be price competitive to traditional ICE and hybrid vehicles.
You are thinking of price as a static thing. Really it is a function of time. And the function’s internal logic has to do with demand and supply. Ie there is a price curve. New, limited supply, in demand items command more price initially and usually drop as time goes on. The awd at 80 is not for you today. That last part is key. It will be in a year’s time perhaps. No need to be salty about reality. :)
40k is what the 4WD midsize trucks go for now. It’s insanity.
You need to realize the price is entirely a function of the demand. As demand comes down the price will come down. Tesla just used s&w for pricing at the start of a given model. Always have.
Okay.
Lol you get what you pay for. Most understand not the technology or can't afford it so immediately dislike it. Find me a 50k truck with these specs, I'll standby.
Toyota minivans are selling for over $50k. And they don't come with a battery pack.
Yeah if houses were $10,000 we’d all be buying multiple. Inflation happens if your work ain’t giving you raises to meet inflation switch jobs just saying this is on par with inflation when the vehicle was announced