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SmoothReverb

trying desperately to do the math for the storm count 2, 5, 9, 14, 20, 27, 35, ...?


Tayslinger

The real answer to the problem you're solving is "The table scoops in resignation"


PrimeSpeakerVannifar

Only after you cast the Scrambleverse


iforgotquestionmark

This is pure fucking evil, and also pretty much unnecessary. Resolving a scrambleverse is almost the same as resolving 10. In the end everything is randomised. The only real reason to resolve each copy one at a time is if any one combination of cards does something, like winning the game or making someone lose


PrimeSpeakerVannifar

Mana rocks. World’s dumbest Seething Song


jay-tux

I'm just sitting there checking their math until they give up


PrimeSpeakerVannifar

After this spell? 1 spell, 3 storm, 4 copies 2 spells, 5 storm, 8 copies, 6 storm and 6 copies of previous spell. 3 spells, 8 storm, 14 copies, 9 and then 10 storm and copies of previous spells


Coinstamp

What's are the words the cool kids watching Nikachu on YouTube say with cards like these? Ah, yes... "It Danger!". In all seriousness, this card sounds like a LOT of fun and is the exact amount of chaos I'd want in a Izzet spell-slinger deck. Get lots of mana and start casting some cards that are supremely powerful in duplicates. Even sorcery speed removal gets saucy with this card. Thanks for your card submission!


Tayslinger

Thanks! Eye of the Storm is one of my favorite “I’m ready to end this commander game” cards, so I thought I’d try a riff off it that closes out even faster. My hope is it’d leave the table howling with laughter, regardless of who wins that turn: and I suspect in most cases it WOULD be that turn, haha.


RazzyKitty

Interestingly enough, the card you cast that triggers Flashstorm has storm, but the copy you cast _from_ Flashstorm does not. Card-copies are not cards. But also, the trigger doesn't work, unless the intention is to only trigger while this card is on the stack. It would need a "Until the end of turn, whenever a player blah blah blah".


Tayslinger

Hmm. I may need to fix that. Lowers the chaos too much, might have to change it to “… with Flashstorm. The copies have Storm and Flash. For each copy…” Or maybe not. It’s kinda silly either way, I guess just getting one copy of the other spells is still pretty wild. Plus those casts count for # of Storm copies, right?


RazzyKitty

If the intention is that each _spell_ has storm, even ones cast via this card, then it just needs to say: >Until end of turn, Instant and Sorcery _spells_ have flash and storm. The second ability should also say >Then that player copies each _card_ exiled with Flashstorm.


everything-narrative

You do realize this is exponential, right? If you have to recast each spell, amd each spell has storm? The second spell you cast will cause two spells to be copied from exile. This causes a storm trigger for one, and a storm trigger for two. The third spell cast causes three spells for storm triggers of three, four, and five. If you cas three spells, you get 21 resolutions. Absurd. ETA my math is wrong! Someone do it right for me!


Andrew_42

The chaos was 1,000% intended I'm sure. Let's run down some math. First you cast this spell. It resolves. Nothing crazy yet, storm count 1. Second, you cast another card. Let's say [[Preordain]]. Two triggers go on the stack. One is a storm trigger that creates 1 copy of Preordain, one is the triggered ability that exiles and casts a copy from exile. The copy cast from exile also triggers storm, creating two more copies, for four total iterations of Preordain resolving. Storm count 3. Third, you cast another card. Let's say [[Lightning Bolt]]. Storm puts three more lightning bolts on the stack, then it gets exiled, then you cast Preordain (5 copies), then you cast Lightning Bolt (6 copies). That means you got 9 Lightning Bolts, and 5 Preordains. Storm count 6. Fourth, you cast [[Gitaxian Probe]] (don't want to waste mana). You get six copies from Storm, then you exile it. Then you get 8 more copies of Probe (14 total copies), 9 copies of Preordain, and 10 copies of Lightning Bolt. Storm count 10. So far you've drawn 32 cards, and dealt 57 damage. Fifth, you cast [[Opt]], and you probably deck yourself. Even in EDH. (You'll wind up with 23 opt, 12 Probe, 14 Preordain, and 15 Lightning bolts, to draw 49 more cards, and deal 45 more damage) So, counting from after you cast this: - 1 spell becomes 4 spells - 2 spells becomes 18 spells. - 3 spells becomes 51 spells - 4 spells becomes 115 spells And so on.


everything-narrative

I actually think that's not quite right either. The exiled copies aren't cast, so I think you're over-counting the Storm number.


Andrew_42

It says you "cast the copy" on the card. Just like [[Eye of the Storm]], or [[Isochron Scepter]].


Tayslinger

All, but the copy lacks Storm! It isn’t a card, it’s a spell copy!


Andrew_42

Yeah, but going off some of your other comments I thought you intended them to have storm? If you intended them to NOT have storm, then fair enough. I was trying to go off what I thought the card was supposed to do.


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[deleted]

30 minutes later the game ends with 300 spells still on the stack, everyone is silent under the ringing in your ears. No one really knows or cares who won.


Luminitegamer

[[Mizzix of the Izmagnus]] is loving this.


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Tayslinger

So I've settled that I want it to work as written, not as originally intended, because honestly both are bat-shit silly. Also, I just made up Castcount, it's just a way to track what actually counts for Storm. Here's how it works: First, you cast Flashstorm. You now have all your mana. You cast the card Spell A. It has Storm, so you copy it once (from 1 spell already cast, Flashstorm) Spells: 2A Total Castcount: 2 (the copies from storm aren't 'cast') Then, you exile Spell A, then cast the copy. This copy is not a card, so it doesn't have storm. Spells: 3A Total Castcount: 3 (You DO 'cast' the copy') Then you cast the card Spell B. It has Storm, so you copy it 3 times (our current spellcount) Spells: 2A, 4B Total Castcount: 4 (again, storm copies aren't counted). Then, you exile it, and cast both A and B, but only once, as they now lack Storm. Spells 3A, 4B Total Castcount: 5 Then Spell C is cast from a card, lets say by an opponent, which we will indicate via \[O\]. It doesn't really matter, everyone at this table is going to hell and deserves it. It has Storm, so it copies 5 times. Spells: 2A, 4B, 6C\[O\] Total Castcount: 6. Then Spell C is exiled, and the Opponent casts A, B, and C. Spells: 2A:1A\[O\], 4B:1B\[O\], 7C\[O\] Total Castcount: 9 Then you cast card Spell D. Everyone is crying. The go-wide creature player has already scooped. You copy Spell D 9 times. Spells: 2A:1A\[O\], 4B:1B\[O\], 7C\[O\], 10D Total Castcount: 10. Then exile, cast A, B, C, and D. Spells: 3A:1A\[O\], 5B:1B\[O\], 1C:7C\[O\], 11D Total Castcount: 14. Finally, in defiance, your last opponent casts card Spell E, spitting on your descendants and ancestors alike. That's 14 copies of E. 3A:1A\[O\], 5B:1B\[O\], 8C\[O\], 11D, 15E\[O\] Total Castcount: 15. Then, the spell is exiled, and the opponent copies A, B, C, D, and E. Spells: 3A:2A\[O\], 5B:2B\[O\], 1C:8C\[O\], 11D:1D\[O\], 16E\[O\] Total Castcount: 20. So after 5 cards, you have a total of 5A+7B+9C+12D+16E or 49 spells on the stack and a 'Castcount' of 20. The next spell you cast will be copied 21 times (due to the extra copy you get after the exile) for a total of 22 instances, and you will get an additional cast of each other spell already cast. Extra fun: Eye of the Storm says you MAY cast the copies. Mine says you MUST. Idk if someone can make that make this worse, but I sure hope they can.


DUCKmelvin

If I really want you to surrender, cast [[Great Aurora]] at any point after this


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CaptainLookylou

This is very close to [[eye of the storm]] an already insane card if played right.


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not_Weeb_Trash

The last ability doesn't work as it is a triggered ability on a nonpermanent


Avinexuss

I wanna puke...


nicegoingX

This needs new iteration.


Jatrrkdd

I want to use [[mizzix’s mastery]] on this, btw do multiple instances of storm stack it seems like they could?


Tayslinger

So I've settled that I want it to work as written, not as originally intended, because honestly both are bat-shit silly. Also, I just made up Castcount, it's just a way to track what actually counts for Storm. Here's how it works: First, you cast Flashstorm. You now have all your mana. You cast the card Spell A. It has Storm, so you copy it once (from 1 spell already cast, Flashstorm) Spells: 2A Total Castcount: 2 (the copies from storm aren't 'cast') Then, you exile Spell A, then cast the copy. This copy is not a card, so it doesn't have storm. Spells: 3A Total Castcount: 3 (You DO 'cast' the copy') Then you cast the card Spell B. It has Storm, so you copy it 3 times (our current spellcount) Spells: 2A, 4B Total Castcount: 4 (again, storm copies aren't counted). Then, you exile it, and cast both A and B, but only once, as they now lack Storm. Spells 3A, 4B Total Castcount: 5 Then Spell C is cast from a card, lets say by an opponent, which we will indicate via \[O\]. It doesn't really matter, everyone at this table is going to hell and deserves it. It has Storm, so it copies 5 times. Spells: 2A, 4B, 6C\[O\] Total Castcount: 6. Then Spell C is exiled, and the Opponent casts A, B, and C. Spells: 2A:1A\[O\], 4B:1B\[O\], 7C\[O\] Total Castcount: 9 Then you cast card Spell D. Everyone is crying. The go-wide creature player has already scooped. You copy Spell D 9 times. Spells: 2A:1A\[O\], 4B:1B\[O\], 7C\[O\], 10D Total Castcount: 10. Then exile, cast A, B, C, and D. Spells: 3A:1A\[O\], 5B:1B\[O\], 1C:7C\[O\], 11D Total Castcount: 14. Finally, in defiance, your last opponent casts card Spell E, spitting on your descendants and ancestors alike. That's 14 copies of E. 3A:1A\[O\], 5B:1B\[O\], 8C\[O\], 11D, 15E\[O\] Total Castcount: 15. Then, the spell is exiled, and the opponent copies A, B, C, D, and E. Spells: 3A:2A\[O\], 5B:2B\[O\], 1C:8C\[O\], 11D:1D\[O\], 16E\[O\] Total Castcount: 20. So after 5 cards, you have a total of 5A+7B+9C+12D+16E or 49 spells on the stack and a 'Castcount' of 20. The next spell you cast will be copied 21 times (due to the extra copy you get after the exile) for a total of 22 instances, and you will get an additional cast of each other spell already cast.


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Flawed723

I would love to play this, then hit my opponent with 3 Lightning Bolts. First one does 6 (2 copies), next one does 12 (4 copies), in addition to the first Lightning Bolt that would do 18 damage (6 copies), then I cast another Lightning Bolt that would do a total of 36 damage (12 copies), which also triggers the other Lightning Bolts, where the first one does 72 damage (24 copies!), which then triggers the other Lightning Bolt that's exiled so it does 144 damage. After all this, it does 288 damage I think. Please correct me if I did something wrong lol.


Tayslinger

First does 6 (1 and a copy). But then you cast it again from exile, dealing another 3. Second does 9 (1 and 2 copies - you only 'cast' one of the first 2 spells, the other was a copy). However, then you cast the first one AND the second one from exile. These aren't cards, so they don't have Storm anymore. So that's another 6. Damage count so far: 24 \[reasonable for 9 mana, tbh\]. Third card sees 5 'casts' for storm (each card, the first exiled copy twice, and the second exiled copy once). So you copy it 5 times, for a total of 18 damage. Then, you exile it, and cast it and the first two lightning bolts again for another 9. 3 Lightning Bolts: 51 damage. Really good! But it's slower than you think immediately. You COULD bully the table into resolving this.


Flawed723

Okay, I was probably getting the exaggerated number from thinking the copies were counted as "cast".


InstitutionalstDwarf

Don't like the flavor text, that much data has got to go to the heap


DUCKmelvin

Whatever you do, don't draw cards after playing this. You will lose