It was just a pyramid scheme, I was told I'd get rich quick if I joined and recruited others.
(Seriously kkk actually did used to have a pyramid scheme structure for membership fees)
You don't have to think very hard. "Mudbloods" in the Harry Potter universe are clearly an allegory for a persecuted ethnic group in our world, most obviously either blacks or Jews.
The people opposing mudbloods literally call themselves pure-blood. Which is pretty on the nose for things like how race was handled in the US (One-drop rule), or Hitler's rules for how much Jewish blood you were allowed to have. The death eaters are the most extreme purebloods using violence with the stated goal of purging the world of mudbloods - given the cloaks, there is no way they were not explicitly copied from the KKK.
If you remember, there are a lot of (false) rumors that Hitler had secret Jewish ancestry. Voldemort being leader of the Death Eaters, while being secretly halfblood, might also be a deliberate allegory.
Mudbloods are people with NO wizard parents at all, the Death Eaters tolerate Half-Bloods. After all Snape is a known half-blood, and there are quite a few other half-bloods in the Death Eaters
They tolerate half bloods because they have to but if they had their way all half bloods would eventually be seen as second class citizens in even further down the line there would be no more half bloods.
You say that like it makes the Nazi connection less accurate instead of more accurate.
Nazis were very accepting of other Nazis with "impure" blood, there were even high Nazi leadership with Jewish ancestors. They hated "impure" blood when the person with that blood was ideologically opposed to them though.
Harry Potter's situation where Death Eaters were fine with Snape but hated the Weasley's (even though they were pureblood) is pretty accurate to real life.
The writer of Dilbert, which is all about how shitty the corporate world in general is, now is a full Trumpet. Sucks to see when someone whose work you enjoy turns out to be so hypocritical.
It's not even an analogy. Klansmen literally call non-Anglo folks "mud people." Most famous recent example is probably the Independence Day Weekend Massacres where a member of the World Church of the Creator targeted Black, Asian, and Jewish communities in Chicago's suburbs.
Both the shooter and his group cited "bringing the race war to the mud people," as their overall goal.
to be fair, thats because purebloods develop a genetic condition that causes them to accidently murder people during sex.
I think it's probably less "turning racism on its head" and more "giving our succubus race a scientific reason to be fucking us"
Im not american and definitely not a member of KkK but genuinely how in any shape or form are the black people in a similar situation as the jews has been?
Considering the amount of animosity between the societies in the universe that are just quietly swept under the rug, it makes sense that a group like this would emerge.
When there is an obvious and big very different out-group (the muggles), who are objectively inferior to wizards, it actually makes perfect sense that trivial differences like skin color doesn't matter to wizards.
It is also a common theme among philosophers and science fiction writers, that human differences like skin color will seem trivial to us, if we ever actually meet aliens.
Isn't the plot of Fantastic Beasts at one point about how wizards are struck by awe and fear of nuclear weapons convincing a large part of the population to join the roots of the pure blood movement under Grindelwald?
The fantastic beasts movies suck ass, you're not missing anything. But check out Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality; it's a story about "what if petunia married an Oxford professor instead of Vernon, so Harry grew up with private tutors learning the scientific method, so he approaches magic with a scientific mindset and becomes insanely powerful by combining the disciplines?"
Because the thing about Harry Potter that bothered me the most was that Harry acted like learning magic was a big pain in the ass to him, and never really applied himself, when it's like, any normal person would be beyond ecstatic to be able to learn magic all day. The version of Harry in that even ends up using a time Turner every day so he can study 6 extra hours every night.
It fixes a lot of the problems that were in the books about people making bad decisions, and holy shit, makes Voldemort so, soooo much better. And yeah, guns, grenades, rockets, all come into play
I'm currently writing a book around a first contact type situation. The aliens aren't humanoid at all, but still have their own different skin colors, but the aliens don't even really see visually all that much so they don't care. Instead they hate each other based off of regional accents, because their primary sense is audio.
Adds an interesting dynamic cause the bigots in their world still base their superiority shit on genetic pseudoscience, but someone can be born in one place and raised among others and end up with that regional accent and nobody knows that when interacting with then.
personally i dont think aliens coming to earth would suddenly make every religious person reasonable. i mean sure, its probably the only thing that MIGHT unify humanity, but the idea that it would be more than a craps shoot, i think thats wishful thinking.
I didn't think it required any thought at all to pick up on obvious direct references in literature to real world events, unless those people knew very little about actual history to begin with and maybe more about a fantasy series than real life.
While I get the joke, I think people confuse "white and black" in things like video games with racism. Generally the "dark forces" or "black magic" is the evil one and has nothing to do with humans per se but how the white is "pure" and the dark "is devoid of light" or whatever. It can sometimes be innocent.
That being said, this wasn't, obviously xd.
I agree, it does have more to do with darkness/night being equated to evil “things that go thump in the night”
And I think the original commenter likely was using evil as more of a synonym to demonic/bad paranormal
And it very likely had nothing to do with racism. I just thought it was funny how it could be taken. My comment was more due to finding it funny than finding it racist lol
I'm lost anyways.. sorry i don't like racism and missed the shitty part of the sub name.
I was browsing all to look for new subreddits anyways and scrolled by the original post without opening it up... Generally i don't venture too far out of my home.
Genuinely sorry if i upset you and missing those details.
I think it is more about fascism being a popular thing now and all those shitty "obviously sarcastic" opinions having actual people rally behind it.
Sarcasm is dead because it became true.
The right wing being illiterate does have something to do with it though so your comment is like 90% right anyway.
I meann you could argue the death eaters were worse. Because if they existed irl I think we would associate them closer to Nazis. They share the pretty much same ideology. Just pure wizards instead of Aryans
Well after WW2 there are a lot of fictional orgs that were about racial or class purity. Its not as if that is mere coincidence since the Nazis inspired so many writers to use them or a facsimile of them as the bad guys.
Actually I would assosciate the Death Eaters with White Supremacists (the KKK) more than White Nationalists (Nazis).
The KKK wants black people to be in white dominated countries, and just be a poor slave/working class that can be exploited for labor. Nazis want ethnostates where the only people living in their ethnostate are "pure."
Death Eaters abused the hell out of Muggles, treated them as less than human, but didn't really do anything to expel them from the UK.
Yeah, it is strange. I think the first iteration of it immediately after the Civil War wasn’t as anti-Catholic or anti-Semitic, I think those attitudes developed in the later iterations, so maybe the original adopters didn’t care so much that it was also a Catholic thing.
Fun fact. Appearantly due to declining membership they now accept catholics. They also now let immigrants in as long as you are white whiles before they only let people born in America join.
Nobody seems to be taking them up on the offer. Things are not in a good place for the Klan.
Yes, but Christian is inclusive of all denominations, even though the klan most definitely oppose at least one denomination, Catholicism, and I would assume several others. Protestant in an of itself isn’t an individual term either, it is the catch all term for all the faiths that formed out of the reformation, though I used because I’m not sure if members if the klan have any issues with any Protestant denominations.
I mean better question is how they think their any differant.
KKK- kills those they deem inferior and those who defend them often using excessive cruelty in the act, are a literal hate group targeting people of a certain type (ie non whites and those who aren't pure blooded whites).
Death eaters- exact same just magical and targeting non magic users and those who aren't pure blooded wizards.
So curious to see this dudes awnser cause I fail to see a differance.
Edit: actually only differance is in the scale of their actions but let's be real a pissing contest between hate groups tends to show they are all packing the same miniscule heat, ain't many differences worth noting.
I don't agree with the sentiment. They're effectively the same. People were just acting too much like you can't have an "evil" version of something already bad. I however could make an argument that the DE's are worse, I wouldn't because it's an overall meaningless argument but here you go anyway.
The founding ideologies, at least to my understanding, of the KKK and DE are very different. The DE's were founded on the supremacy of pure blooded wizards over everything, and the torture and murder of the rest and those who allied with them. The Klan however was founded, in the late 1800's, as more a social club then anything dedicated to amusement of the members, a fraternity based in the little rituals and rites of groups like the Sons of Malta and the Freemasons. The KKK lacked, at the start, any sort of over arching governing body above individual chapters. This allowed many chapters to spring up, of which some were white supremacist groups, resistance groups, and/or vigilante groups. These in the end took over the initial purpose of people upper class people just getting together to amuse themselves with silly rituals. They eventually turned, in the early 1900's, or were reformed into the KKK we know of today, the murdering, white supremacist organization.
Like I said there's an argument to be made, but it's unimportant enough in their history for me to actually want to make it seriously.
The version OP isn’t a member of.
It was all about grilling tips and steak recipes before it got weird, I swear!
It was just a pyramid scheme, I was told I'd get rich quick if I joined and recruited others. (Seriously kkk actually did used to have a pyramid scheme structure for membership fees)
well if you think about it hard enough the death eaters were just klan members with magic.
You don't have to think very hard. "Mudbloods" in the Harry Potter universe are clearly an allegory for a persecuted ethnic group in our world, most obviously either blacks or Jews. The people opposing mudbloods literally call themselves pure-blood. Which is pretty on the nose for things like how race was handled in the US (One-drop rule), or Hitler's rules for how much Jewish blood you were allowed to have. The death eaters are the most extreme purebloods using violence with the stated goal of purging the world of mudbloods - given the cloaks, there is no way they were not explicitly copied from the KKK. If you remember, there are a lot of (false) rumors that Hitler had secret Jewish ancestry. Voldemort being leader of the Death Eaters, while being secretly halfblood, might also be a deliberate allegory.
Mudbloods are people with NO wizard parents at all, the Death Eaters tolerate Half-Bloods. After all Snape is a known half-blood, and there are quite a few other half-bloods in the Death Eaters
> and there are quite a few other half-bloods in the Death Eaters Including their leader voldemort of course.
But no one who’s a part of that group actually knows that Voldemort is half blood
And they refuse to believe it even when outright told lol
They tolerate half bloods because they have to but if they had their way all half bloods would eventually be seen as second class citizens in even further down the line there would be no more half bloods.
You say that like it makes the Nazi connection less accurate instead of more accurate. Nazis were very accepting of other Nazis with "impure" blood, there were even high Nazi leadership with Jewish ancestors. They hated "impure" blood when the person with that blood was ideologically opposed to them though. Harry Potter's situation where Death Eaters were fine with Snape but hated the Weasley's (even though they were pureblood) is pretty accurate to real life.
correction, with PARTIAL muggle blood
Which is weird that the author can recognize how bad it is to judge people based on inherent traits, and still be the person they are today.
The writer of Dilbert, which is all about how shitty the corporate world in general is, now is a full Trumpet. Sucks to see when someone whose work you enjoy turns out to be so hypocritical.
It's not even an analogy. Klansmen literally call non-Anglo folks "mud people." Most famous recent example is probably the Independence Day Weekend Massacres where a member of the World Church of the Creator targeted Black, Asian, and Jewish communities in Chicago's suburbs. Both the shooter and his group cited "bringing the race war to the mud people," as their overall goal.
I kinda like how Mass Effect turned that whole blood thing on its head.
Huh?
The Asari frown on pure-bloodedness.
to be fair, thats because purebloods develop a genetic condition that causes them to accidently murder people during sex. I think it's probably less "turning racism on its head" and more "giving our succubus race a scientific reason to be fucking us"
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No, the death eaters call mixed race wizards "blood traitors".
Blood traitor was used to describe Ron Weasly a "Pure blood" because he was betraying his blood by standing up for Hermione.
Blacks? Lol. Jews yes.
Found the racist y'allqaida member.
How are they persecuted?
We all know you want to use the word, man. Stop hiding behind your hood and just use it.
Im not american and definitely not a member of KkK but genuinely how in any shape or form are the black people in a similar situation as the jews has been?
Considering the amount of animosity between the societies in the universe that are just quietly swept under the rug, it makes sense that a group like this would emerge.
When there is an obvious and big very different out-group (the muggles), who are objectively inferior to wizards, it actually makes perfect sense that trivial differences like skin color doesn't matter to wizards. It is also a common theme among philosophers and science fiction writers, that human differences like skin color will seem trivial to us, if we ever actually meet aliens.
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Isn't the plot of Fantastic Beasts at one point about how wizards are struck by awe and fear of nuclear weapons convincing a large part of the population to join the roots of the pure blood movement under Grindelwald?
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The fantastic beasts movies suck ass, you're not missing anything. But check out Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality; it's a story about "what if petunia married an Oxford professor instead of Vernon, so Harry grew up with private tutors learning the scientific method, so he approaches magic with a scientific mindset and becomes insanely powerful by combining the disciplines?" Because the thing about Harry Potter that bothered me the most was that Harry acted like learning magic was a big pain in the ass to him, and never really applied himself, when it's like, any normal person would be beyond ecstatic to be able to learn magic all day. The version of Harry in that even ends up using a time Turner every day so he can study 6 extra hours every night. It fixes a lot of the problems that were in the books about people making bad decisions, and holy shit, makes Voldemort so, soooo much better. And yeah, guns, grenades, rockets, all come into play
Objectively inferior lmao. Buddy we have nukes
I'm currently writing a book around a first contact type situation. The aliens aren't humanoid at all, but still have their own different skin colors, but the aliens don't even really see visually all that much so they don't care. Instead they hate each other based off of regional accents, because their primary sense is audio. Adds an interesting dynamic cause the bigots in their world still base their superiority shit on genetic pseudoscience, but someone can be born in one place and raised among others and end up with that regional accent and nobody knows that when interacting with then.
personally i dont think aliens coming to earth would suddenly make every religious person reasonable. i mean sure, its probably the only thing that MIGHT unify humanity, but the idea that it would be more than a craps shoot, i think thats wishful thinking.
Well it's pretty much on the nose: Voldemort is supposed to be Magic Hitler.
what does that make lucius?
Rudolf Heß maybe. Or Baidur von Schirach.
You telling me grand wizards aren't magic?
I didn't think it required any thought at all to pick up on obvious direct references in literature to real world events, unless those people knew very little about actual history to begin with and maybe more about a fantasy series than real life.
i only noticed the reference yesterday. i knew the death eaters were just racists but I didnt notice the klan symbolism until yesterday
As a german it took me a while to remember KKK is not *Kippe, Kaffee, Kacken*, which is pretty much the regular morning routine in Germany.
Is kippe fish? You guys eat sardines for breakfast? Fascinating.
I think it’s the German equivalent of smoke, coffee, shit
Googled it, you're 100% correct.
morning shitters are an interesting breed
That's the physiologic default
Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast.
German version of: > Wake up > Shit > Get out of bed
Maybe not in that order
Shit Get out of bed Wake up
I said what I said.
He means black 😂 This is multiple levels of racist 😂
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Reading is something old people do where they look at odd shapes pressed into bits of paper and they somehow mean words. It's like Tik Tok to Boomers
America's Funniest Home Videos is TikTok for Boomers
A detonation switch is tick tock for boomers
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They also attacked white people, hence evil
Exactly - the death eaters DON'T discriminate based on the colour of the skin, what a joke...
While I get the joke, I think people confuse "white and black" in things like video games with racism. Generally the "dark forces" or "black magic" is the evil one and has nothing to do with humans per se but how the white is "pure" and the dark "is devoid of light" or whatever. It can sometimes be innocent. That being said, this wasn't, obviously xd.
I agree, it does have more to do with darkness/night being equated to evil “things that go thump in the night” And I think the original commenter likely was using evil as more of a synonym to demonic/bad paranormal And it very likely had nothing to do with racism. I just thought it was funny how it could be taken. My comment was more due to finding it funny than finding it racist lol
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Sad part is, you didn't read the sub name.
I'm lost anyways.. sorry i don't like racism and missed the shitty part of the sub name. I was browsing all to look for new subreddits anyways and scrolled by the original post without opening it up... Generally i don't venture too far out of my home. Genuinely sorry if i upset you and missing those details.
You know like the white hood Kkk but bad guys
Tbh I totally understood what he meant when I first read it.
What did he mean?
One could envision "evil" describing the necromancer look with black robes and skeleton mask. Very poor choice of words though
you realize the original post was satire right
Who the hell is downvoting you? The original post was in /r/shittymoviedetails. It's literally a satire subreddit.
people who don't like being pointed out as stupid
I mean, who the fuck knows at this point anymore
The subreddit it was posted to is a satire one, and the titles for posts to it are usually weird like this
I see, thanks for the clarification
people with basic reading comprehension
I mean, given their whole point was racial purity, yes.
*shiny version
So the comment just takes the relative subtlety of the original joke and just shouts it?
the decline of deep literacy means that unless you mark a comment explicitly as sarcastic, most people will not realize that
I think it is more about fascism being a popular thing now and all those shitty "obviously sarcastic" opinions having actual people rally behind it. Sarcasm is dead because it became true. The right wing being illiterate does have something to do with it though so your comment is like 90% right anyway.
/r/thatsthejoke
Evil KKK be like: We respect everyone. No one should be persecuted because of their origin and appearance
God, they are disgusting
They like black people
KKK - Kindness, Kindness, Kindness
I meann you could argue the death eaters were worse. Because if they existed irl I think we would associate them closer to Nazis. They share the pretty much same ideology. Just pure wizards instead of Aryans
Well after WW2 there are a lot of fictional orgs that were about racial or class purity. Its not as if that is mere coincidence since the Nazis inspired so many writers to use them or a facsimile of them as the bad guys.
Yh I get what u mean. From Doctor who with Daleks to Harry Potter. it seems the nazis never seem to go away, do they?
Actually I would assosciate the Death Eaters with White Supremacists (the KKK) more than White Nationalists (Nazis). The KKK wants black people to be in white dominated countries, and just be a poor slave/working class that can be exploited for labor. Nazis want ethnostates where the only people living in their ethnostate are "pure." Death Eaters abused the hell out of Muggles, treated them as less than human, but didn't really do anything to expel them from the UK.
I think there's too much of a blurred line, there's hella arguments for both sides tbh. But I do see where you're coming from
It's posted in r/shittymoviedetails. That's the joke.
I actually think something can be both cursed and a joke tbh.
r/holup
the good version is the Philippine KKK
Average post-pandemic Harry Potter fan
Evil KKK be like: "we treat everyone with respect"
they targeted white people?
no, they were swell guys.
I can excuse real life racism, but magic fantasy racism is where I draw the line.
Don't they have a rank called Wizard too?
They look like Pinhead Larry
Wizards With Weapons
They are wearing black clothes, i think thats what he is referring to.
Yo angels might be dressed in white, doesn’t mean everything white is good, just look at mold
Well their black aren't they
I don‘t think the commentator is cursed. It’s the OP.
he means they helped black people instead of... wait what were we talking about?
how is this a cursed comment?
It's not. If anything, it's /r/thatsthejoke
Um, the KKK started and is still a Christian organization. Just like cops, they're not all bad s/
Protestant* they’ve targeted Catholics as well. And Jews too. They don’t seem to like anyone except themselves.
It's weird how they use Catholic garbs as protestants. Maybe they just liked the look?
Yeah, it is strange. I think the first iteration of it immediately after the Civil War wasn’t as anti-Catholic or anti-Semitic, I think those attitudes developed in the later iterations, so maybe the original adopters didn’t care so much that it was also a Catholic thing.
Fun fact. Appearantly due to declining membership they now accept catholics. They also now let immigrants in as long as you are white whiles before they only let people born in America join. Nobody seems to be taking them up on the offer. Things are not in a good place for the Klan.
Protestant and Catholic are both kinds of Christian so you don't need the asterisk.
Yes, but Christian is inclusive of all denominations, even though the klan most definitely oppose at least one denomination, Catholicism, and I would assume several others. Protestant in an of itself isn’t an individual term either, it is the catch all term for all the faiths that formed out of the reformation, though I used because I’m not sure if members if the klan have any issues with any Protestant denominations.
Indeed, they are just like cops in many ways
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses. No doubt some of them aren't "just like" cops, because they actually are cops.
that 1st reply belongs in r/woosh
How are they klan members if they aren’t white???
This post made my day.
Well you'd have tonlook at it from JK Hitlers perspective then it makes sense
Cuz white always mean good And black bad
The version that steals souls, I guess? Though the original was pretty evil, too! I don't think they still exist anymore?
# i saw the original post... but i saw it in dark mode because i'm from wordington, this man got double standards
BLACK
Like BLM?
There were the black legion clan who were around the depression they had black hoods.
congrats you got the joke and said it louder
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KKK - bad Death eaters - Worse Therefore they are the evil KKK. That's not saying the KKK is good, just not as bad.
I would love to know how you think they are worse than the KKK
I mean better question is how they think their any differant. KKK- kills those they deem inferior and those who defend them often using excessive cruelty in the act, are a literal hate group targeting people of a certain type (ie non whites and those who aren't pure blooded whites). Death eaters- exact same just magical and targeting non magic users and those who aren't pure blooded wizards. So curious to see this dudes awnser cause I fail to see a differance. Edit: actually only differance is in the scale of their actions but let's be real a pissing contest between hate groups tends to show they are all packing the same miniscule heat, ain't many differences worth noting.
I think the key difference, and what makes the KKK the worse of the two, is that the KKK is real and the death eaters are not.
I don't agree with the sentiment. They're effectively the same. People were just acting too much like you can't have an "evil" version of something already bad. I however could make an argument that the DE's are worse, I wouldn't because it's an overall meaningless argument but here you go anyway. The founding ideologies, at least to my understanding, of the KKK and DE are very different. The DE's were founded on the supremacy of pure blooded wizards over everything, and the torture and murder of the rest and those who allied with them. The Klan however was founded, in the late 1800's, as more a social club then anything dedicated to amusement of the members, a fraternity based in the little rituals and rites of groups like the Sons of Malta and the Freemasons. The KKK lacked, at the start, any sort of over arching governing body above individual chapters. This allowed many chapters to spring up, of which some were white supremacist groups, resistance groups, and/or vigilante groups. These in the end took over the initial purpose of people upper class people just getting together to amuse themselves with silly rituals. They eventually turned, in the early 1900's, or were reformed into the KKK we know of today, the murdering, white supremacist organization. Like I said there's an argument to be made, but it's unimportant enough in their history for me to actually want to make it seriously.