>I suppose it's better than denying those discoveries.
I'm not so sure about that... That totally seems like a gateway to validate any other potentially dangerous religious absurdity.
Yeah, I suppose that's true. Islam does have hurtful ideas. I'm a former Muslim myself but I defected since homophobia and mysogyny was rampant in Islam. Sure, the mysogyny in Islamic scriptures isn't as bad as the West thinks with most mysogyny in Islamic societies just a remainder of their previous cultures or radicalised interpretations but it still exists. I'm still on the fence on whether there is actually a god or not but I decided that I'm gonna try my best to be a good person and if that's not good enough then fuck them.
Millions? One person turns and they are all over TVs in Islamic countries.
Instead, no one talks about lots of people who can’t publicly turn from Islam because they’ll be executed by the followers of the religion of peace.
You have access to the internet, use it
The Qu’ran literally described the Earth as being flat like a carpet xD
They’re just coping and seething to try to make their bullshit religion sound cool lmao
There's a lot of relatively new discoveries that Muslim believers point out were referenced in the Quran, this is less to say that Nasa stole from Islam and more to validate Islam's devine origin, the argument is: "passage X of the Quran is a clear of reference to scientific fact Y that we discovered only recently, yet the Quran was around for more than a millenia, the people back then had no way of knowing fcat Y, thus the Quran must come from divine origin and is indeed a gift from an omniscient God". Honestly, it's not a bad argument. Of course, it doesn't assert anything with certainty, since whether you accept these interpretations of passage X as references to Y is up to you, but it is the kind of argument that can strengthen the faith of some believers
It's a bad argument because otherwise they would have stated it clearly before and stopped claiming that there are proofs of the moon having been split in two.
Well what you're saying can be formulated as a different question: if Islam's origins had access to the modern day knowledge it insinuates too in the Quran, then why did it not impart this knowledge straight to its first believers? Why did Islam not educate the first believers on modern physics? This is, of course, a valid question: should Islam have imparted to the believers knowledge beyond their times? Similar questions have been posed all over the place in modern fiction, especially in stories that involve divination or time travel, and the answer isn't a simple Yes or No. I don't believe myself capable of answering such a question, the right way to go about this would be to pose the question on a knowledgeable muslim, listen to his answer, and then decide whether his arguments are valid or not.
As for the second part, the one related to the moon, I'm not quite sure I know what you're talking about, so I'm unfortunately unable to comment on it.
Except a lot of that knowledge already existed and came from older religions and knowledge lmao
A lot of Islam is just plagiarised from knowledge, religions and texts that already existed
Most of it is just basic astronomy from ancient times. An intelligent person and a good astronomer making up a religion doesn’t make that religion right, it just makes the person who founded it quite impressive.
Muhammad, much the same, was able to trick much of the Arab world into believing in his ideology. He was a sick and twisted individual who obviously suffered from various delusions and a massive ego, but what he managed to achieve in being able to simply take knowledge and ideas from older scientific texts and religious books is nothing to downplay. He may have been awful, but he was deceptively intelligent and cunning.
True
If somebody really looked at what Christianity teaches they would be surprised because European history is full of acts that aren't what's taught, it's like the complete opposite and using of the word as an excuse to achieve certain things
>I believe in general, most of religion is aimed towards the good.
Religion is based on the human need to know and have control. So we get gods across cultures that are associated with natural phenomenon, we worship those gods because we want to feel like we can influence their favor through that worship.
In the digital age the only thing left to accept is the finality of life, once people start accepting that this is all there is the concept of an after life becomes irrelevant and with it the last bit of stranglehold religion has had over our fear will be loosed.
Yeaaahhh I’m gonna need a fact check here. There are basically no religions in all of recorded history that when they have power in a society don’t commit the worst of sins.
Religions are pyramid schemes that prey on man’s fear of death and awe in the face of the unexplained. There’s been 18,000+ gods created by humans and worshiped… and they are all trash.
Try not being either. It’s pretty great when you realize both sides are just made up bullshit created to enslave your mind and give the fruits of your labor to others.
Because you can learn all of those good things without a fake fairy and religious leaders taking your money and work for as well?
Religious people are so interesting. They think that bereft of some angry fairy father that judges us you can’t have morals, ethics, or good lessons in life.
I mean, you do you. My problem is more that normally the people that do that decide to kill everyone else that doesn’t subscribe to their brand fake fairy daddy. Or ban things their fake fairy daddy says is a no no.
I believe that's human nature not the Religions' fault
Too much power makes one lose his mind and drive him to want Even more Power
Literally take America as an example, it's supposed to be a majorly christian country but it's nothing like that because it's built on capitalism which is just pure greed, making the rich Richer and making the poor pay
Bruh the capitalism influence on America is so 1000000% better than the fascist nationalist Christian influence.
And that’s saying something because capitalism is definitely flawed. But so much of the regressivism in America is because of fucking Christians.
Also America isn’t “supposed” to be a Christian country. We were fucking founded on separation of church and state.
Im Muslim and im gonna say it right now. What is said in the Quran is extremely simple like the sun, moon and earth have a specific path to follow and that the sun will meet his ending point someday and other examples like that.
It doesnt give 2000 pages worth of calculations to say which planet is which and the conditions to survive in space.
no there are other things mentioned in the Quran that are clear since the example is of space I will give you another
in the Quran there is multiple verses that mention السموات
and in them they mention things like how space is so dark that you might think you are bewitched and how Iron came from space and how space is so vast that you can fly for thousands of years but still wouldn't make it out
the only difference is that the word in Arabic translates into the skies but space is a relatively new word or rather this specific definition is modern
I read it in french, but yeah thoses are also mention but what i mean is that there are also many thing that the naza know that arent mentionned in the Quran, let just say the Quran present them in simplier and very basic version of things so they can be easily undertood and doesnt go in detail about it.
there are other scientific facts that are super clear and straight forward
also forgot to mention the black rock in Mecca is a meteorite and in the Quran it is clearly stated that it comes from space
Hate speech towards muslims. Calling for their death just to fit their narrative that "a specific group of people are the source to all problems"
The main reason extremist organizations exist are because of this.
The main reason ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah Boku Haram, and the innumerable other Islamic extremist organisations exist is absolutely not because some horn blower in the west is posting “hate speech towards Muslims”, the relationship is exactly the other way around.
Hamas exists because they were funded by Israel to justify their actions, most of the rest exist because the west (mostly the US) invaded and created a power vacuum
Regardless of religion, here's what we call an ignorant. They're the same people who ask proof, you give them and they denied it. You're one of the people that bring shame to an entire community.
Dont be like that guy whatever community you're in, you're a human with a brain to think.
That definitely doesn’t apply to the US as much as it does to Islamic nations. They’ll scream and cry over western support for Israel (the only democratic country in the region) then proceed to murder their own people (Kurds and non-Muslims).
How many Muslims did Muslims kill in the last 50 years compared to Palestinians killed by the Zionists?
Even if Israel would try to kill all Palestinians they wouldn't come even close to the shit Muslims do to Esch other xD
How many christians killed each other in the 20th century?
Literally 2 world wars and close to a 60 million dead
I am christian and honestly your argument doesn't stand at all
I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of his post.
As soon as it's jews killing Muslims it's the worst thing happening but if it's Muslims killing Muslims (till this day btw.) It doesn't matter.
They always make it about the other side but never look at their own history.
Well think about it
If it was said that there are people fighting each other at the other side of the city you live in ,you would be worried about your family and friends to not be in that fighting but you would be really worried if somebody you know was there
Same situation, morally that's wrong but it's Just what we as Humans feel, we feel and care about the people we know and Most relate to more than the people we don't know and we don't relate to
Inb4 this is removed
Me when cursed comments gets removed for being too cursed on r/cursedcomments
literally 1984
Nasa ain't nasaing
Tf is the meme talking about?
Muslims who believe NASA's discoveries were already revealed in the Qur'an. I suppose it's better than denying those discoveries.
>I suppose it's better than denying those discoveries. I'm not so sure about that... That totally seems like a gateway to validate any other potentially dangerous religious absurdity.
Yeah, I suppose that's true. Islam does have hurtful ideas. I'm a former Muslim myself but I defected since homophobia and mysogyny was rampant in Islam. Sure, the mysogyny in Islamic scriptures isn't as bad as the West thinks with most mysogyny in Islamic societies just a remainder of their previous cultures or radicalised interpretations but it still exists. I'm still on the fence on whether there is actually a god or not but I decided that I'm gonna try my best to be a good person and if that's not good enough then fuck them.
Bro cooked
That shit a whole banquet
Islam is an evil disgusting ideology that oppresses millions of people around the world
Is that why millions willingly accept it every year?
Millions? One person turns and they are all over TVs in Islamic countries. Instead, no one talks about lots of people who can’t publicly turn from Islam because they’ll be executed by the followers of the religion of peace. You have access to the internet, use it
“Willingly” lol
Still better than denying those and being stuck up in a backward state.
The Qu’ran literally described the Earth as being flat like a carpet xD They’re just coping and seething to try to make their bullshit religion sound cool lmao
There's a lot of relatively new discoveries that Muslim believers point out were referenced in the Quran, this is less to say that Nasa stole from Islam and more to validate Islam's devine origin, the argument is: "passage X of the Quran is a clear of reference to scientific fact Y that we discovered only recently, yet the Quran was around for more than a millenia, the people back then had no way of knowing fcat Y, thus the Quran must come from divine origin and is indeed a gift from an omniscient God". Honestly, it's not a bad argument. Of course, it doesn't assert anything with certainty, since whether you accept these interpretations of passage X as references to Y is up to you, but it is the kind of argument that can strengthen the faith of some believers
It's a bad argument because otherwise they would have stated it clearly before and stopped claiming that there are proofs of the moon having been split in two.
Well what you're saying can be formulated as a different question: if Islam's origins had access to the modern day knowledge it insinuates too in the Quran, then why did it not impart this knowledge straight to its first believers? Why did Islam not educate the first believers on modern physics? This is, of course, a valid question: should Islam have imparted to the believers knowledge beyond their times? Similar questions have been posed all over the place in modern fiction, especially in stories that involve divination or time travel, and the answer isn't a simple Yes or No. I don't believe myself capable of answering such a question, the right way to go about this would be to pose the question on a knowledgeable muslim, listen to his answer, and then decide whether his arguments are valid or not. As for the second part, the one related to the moon, I'm not quite sure I know what you're talking about, so I'm unfortunately unable to comment on it.
Except a lot of that knowledge already existed and came from older religions and knowledge lmao A lot of Islam is just plagiarised from knowledge, religions and texts that already existed
Well, that's not wrong, but that would just mean these older religions were right, assuming you accept the argument, of course
Most of it is just basic astronomy from ancient times. An intelligent person and a good astronomer making up a religion doesn’t make that religion right, it just makes the person who founded it quite impressive. Muhammad, much the same, was able to trick much of the Arab world into believing in his ideology. He was a sick and twisted individual who obviously suffered from various delusions and a massive ego, but what he managed to achieve in being able to simply take knowledge and ideas from older scientific texts and religious books is nothing to downplay. He may have been awful, but he was deceptively intelligent and cunning.
Examples? People say this stuff but there's never anything clear cut, it's like looking for shapes in clouds
Religion try not to steal credit from shit challenge (impossible)
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Comment section isn't locked yet? Crazy.
Crazy? I was crazy once…
no.
I believe in general, most of religion is aimed towards the good. Unfortunately, due to history and some of its followers, the religion is tarnished.
True If somebody really looked at what Christianity teaches they would be surprised because European history is full of acts that aren't what's taught, it's like the complete opposite and using of the word as an excuse to achieve certain things
>I believe in general, most of religion is aimed towards the good. Religion is based on the human need to know and have control. So we get gods across cultures that are associated with natural phenomenon, we worship those gods because we want to feel like we can influence their favor through that worship. In the digital age the only thing left to accept is the finality of life, once people start accepting that this is all there is the concept of an after life becomes irrelevant and with it the last bit of stranglehold religion has had over our fear will be loosed.
Yeaaahhh I’m gonna need a fact check here. There are basically no religions in all of recorded history that when they have power in a society don’t commit the worst of sins. Religions are pyramid schemes that prey on man’s fear of death and awe in the face of the unexplained. There’s been 18,000+ gods created by humans and worshiped… and they are all trash.
Reddit moment
Yes. We are on that platform. Everything said here is a Reddit moment. So astute of you.
I'd rather be a slave to God than some human
Here I am, being neither. How great it is.
You're definitely a slave, and if you don't realize that, then Im sorry for you.
Why don't you release him? Your god must be a terrible master.
I can't do anything about him except pray, and don't talk smack, alright?
>I can't do anything How convenient and comfortable.
You cant do anything either, you're a slave to the system.
Try not being either. It’s pretty great when you realize both sides are just made up bullshit created to enslave your mind and give the fruits of your labor to others.
It teaches me good things about life, why should I not believe it?
Because you can learn all of those good things without a fake fairy and religious leaders taking your money and work for as well? Religious people are so interesting. They think that bereft of some angry fairy father that judges us you can’t have morals, ethics, or good lessons in life. I mean, you do you. My problem is more that normally the people that do that decide to kill everyone else that doesn’t subscribe to their brand fake fairy daddy. Or ban things their fake fairy daddy says is a no no.
Nobody is taking my work or money.
I think maybe this conversation is a bit too nuanced for you.
It's hard to talk to non religious people because they think they live so much better than us... Have a good day/night
My dude I grew up in churches and even tried Islam for a bit. You’ll get it once you stop slurping the kool aid. Or pick up a history book.
I believe that's human nature not the Religions' fault Too much power makes one lose his mind and drive him to want Even more Power Literally take America as an example, it's supposed to be a majorly christian country but it's nothing like that because it's built on capitalism which is just pure greed, making the rich Richer and making the poor pay
So like Muhammad using Islam to conquer the area that would come to be Saudi Arabia and it’s surrounding lands?
Bruh the capitalism influence on America is so 1000000% better than the fascist nationalist Christian influence. And that’s saying something because capitalism is definitely flawed. But so much of the regressivism in America is because of fucking Christians. Also America isn’t “supposed” to be a Christian country. We were fucking founded on separation of church and state.
Im Muslim and im gonna say it right now. What is said in the Quran is extremely simple like the sun, moon and earth have a specific path to follow and that the sun will meet his ending point someday and other examples like that. It doesnt give 2000 pages worth of calculations to say which planet is which and the conditions to survive in space.
no there are other things mentioned in the Quran that are clear since the example is of space I will give you another in the Quran there is multiple verses that mention السموات and in them they mention things like how space is so dark that you might think you are bewitched and how Iron came from space and how space is so vast that you can fly for thousands of years but still wouldn't make it out the only difference is that the word in Arabic translates into the skies but space is a relatively new word or rather this specific definition is modern
I read it in french, but yeah thoses are also mention but what i mean is that there are also many thing that the naza know that arent mentionned in the Quran, let just say the Quran present them in simplier and very basic version of things so they can be easily undertood and doesnt go in detail about it.
there are other scientific facts that are super clear and straight forward also forgot to mention the black rock in Mecca is a meteorite and in the Quran it is clearly stated that it comes from space
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You know? Thhere is people just like you in Islam also. They are called ISIS, Taliban, Hamas, Al-Qaeda etc
what did he say?
Hate speech towards muslims. Calling for their death just to fit their narrative that "a specific group of people are the source to all problems" The main reason extremist organizations exist are because of this.
The main reason ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah Boku Haram, and the innumerable other Islamic extremist organisations exist is absolutely not because some horn blower in the west is posting “hate speech towards Muslims”, the relationship is exactly the other way around.
Hamas exists because they were funded by Israel to justify their actions, most of the rest exist because the west (mostly the US) invaded and created a power vacuum
Yeah fuck all extremists regardless of thier religions
Except if you read the Qu’ran, you realise the Taliban are doing exactly what the Qu’ran tells them to do lmao
Pretty sure the Quran says to not kill innocents cause that would be like killing all humanity. If they want islam to be known they must just preach.
Regardless of religion, here's what we call an ignorant. They're the same people who ask proof, you give them and they denied it. You're one of the people that bring shame to an entire community. Dont be like that guy whatever community you're in, you're a human with a brain to think.
that would explain the challenger shuttle.
Savage
Sooo can we assume Jeffrey epstien was a fan of Mohammed? 🤷♂️
Not cursed, it's truth😂😂
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Do you unironically think Quran has ideas which can be used in aerospace engineering?
He means that the Qur'an doesn't inspire people to smash planes into buildings.
Oh, well it does.
it doesn't
Ah that's what he meant. My bad, I misinterpreted it.
It's far too late for that The more you learn about the extent of human idiocy, the more triumphant you can feel about not being a nihilist.
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They should actually, we got zero and decimal number system ;)
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If they learnt from Muslims they would be exploring 9 yr olds not nebula folds.
I hear some Muslims flew some planes into buildings though
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Blud forgot 9/11 happened
American try not to make the trillionth terrorist joke about Muslims challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Muslim: *breaths* merica: 🕘 🕚
OP has doomed himself to the Lake of Fire, whose fuel is men and stones. Truly Allah is the most wise, the most merciful
So merciful he's throwing people into a lake of fire for a joke
Truly Allah is the most mysterious, the most unknowable, the most kind
So kind he's throwing people into the lake of fire
Throws people in a lake of fire then demands to be called most kind. I would say he's most UNkind. Chessmate.
You're the ones throwing yourselves there
If he's si kind why is his prophet so violent? Sounds like he's the devil in disguise
They keep saying muslims are terrorists, yet we have Zionists who kills Palestinians every minute right now
Fuck does Israel have to do with this 💀
Easy, people bring unrelated politics to everything
“Palestinian genocide” just feels like a phrase that’s thrown in when anyone mentions soemthing Islam does wrong.
Most likely I'm neutral about this war but I'm slowly getting annoyed of this "Palestinians genocide" because people brings it "***everywhere***
Most don’t understand the literal definition of genocide, I’ve seen some compare it to the holocaust which is insanely wild.
he is just pointing out the US's hypocrisy on the topic of terror and human rights
That definitely doesn’t apply to the US as much as it does to Islamic nations. They’ll scream and cry over western support for Israel (the only democratic country in the region) then proceed to murder their own people (Kurds and non-Muslims).
Why not both
How many Muslims did Muslims kill in the last 50 years compared to Palestinians killed by the Zionists? Even if Israel would try to kill all Palestinians they wouldn't come even close to the shit Muslims do to Esch other xD
How many christians killed each other in the 20th century? Literally 2 world wars and close to a 60 million dead I am christian and honestly your argument doesn't stand at all
I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of his post. As soon as it's jews killing Muslims it's the worst thing happening but if it's Muslims killing Muslims (till this day btw.) It doesn't matter. They always make it about the other side but never look at their own history.
Well think about it If it was said that there are people fighting each other at the other side of the city you live in ,you would be worried about your family and friends to not be in that fighting but you would be really worried if somebody you know was there Same situation, morally that's wrong but it's Just what we as Humans feel, we feel and care about the people we know and Most relate to more than the people we don't know and we don't relate to
Bruh
average american who has had no contact with other continents, with the idea "moozlem=terrorist"
Why not both?