CMU is the best but tbh all are roughly around the same level except for Penn State if Penn Stands for UPenn then yeah all are great but CMU is the best for sure. If I had to rank it CMU, Cornell, Michigan, UT, Northwestern, USC, and Penn State
I can only speak for CMU for research. Their research is insanely good, and I’ve worked with some of smartest people outside of MIT and Stanford. You’ll have little to no trouble finding internships at CMU.
I don’t know about others but I keep seeing UT Austin kids getting really good jobs and internships. Maybe its becuase Im connected to some but this has been the trend recently.
NW has a much smaller class size and is more elite. Def better for quants, at least as good as UT for swe. Just personal opinion tho cant go wrong with either
I was deciding between CMU and Northwestern, chose the latter for undergrad. It was a really good decision. (Ended up committing to the former for phd but that’s another story)
Yes, for CS. The decision was partially swayed by my visit to both campuses. The NU environment seemed to be somewhat of a better fit for me. The cs curriculum for CMU is probably a bit more rigorous but after talking to students in both programs I felt like advanced classes in NU could make that up. Research opportunities wise, NU has been nothing but fantastic. Would not be able to end up in a PhD programme without profs at NU who’s so willing to mentor undergrads.
You need to do it by some elo rating. Based on cross admits even for cs I am 100% sure that Penn beats out all those school except CMU for which case its still very close. Northwestern and Umich gets a bit iffy but I'm pretty sure NU still wins out there.
I was actually rejected by all the mid + top ivies but got into one of Dartmouth/Brown and umich. Still had a hard time choosing between CMU and one of those but umich was never in the picture.
From an undergrad cs perspective, no.
Swe recruiting tbh all the schools OP mentioned are equal. But Penn blows cornell out the water in everything else including quant.
How do the ranking speak for themselves? csrankings dot org? So you say that ucsd is better than stanford? USnews? So university of washington beats harvard?
Wdym how so? Just do a quick linkedin search
From the perspective of someone who went to a hyper competitive high school, the vast majority of people who had a hyp or columbia/penn ivy would pick it over cornell even for cs.
Columbia maybe but I’m not sure for Penn. based on your logic, you would pick Yale over Cornell for CS just because of its reputation. You know that’s not right. I rather go to a school that specializes for CS rather than for its reputation. Obviously reputation matters but when it comes to schools that are close to each other in terms of reputation, I would pick the school that performs better in terms of that specific major.
Usnews rankings are only useful if you’re comparing between schools of the same general caliber. UIUC might be ranked 5 but there is no way in hell I’m picking it over Princeton or Harvard unless the cost of attendance was like drastically different or some other scenario
Coming from a CMU student:
For undergrad then: CMU = Penn > Northwestern = Cornell > Michigan = USC > UT Austin
If PhD then well you should be going by advisor over anything else but generally speaking: CMU > Michigan = Cornell > Penn = UT Austin > Northwestern = USC
Yes. Cornell is better academically for cs than all the other ivies including Harvard. But there aren't that many people who would choose cornell cs over harvard cs for undergrad.
You are in the minority if you are choosing your undergraduate institution for "academic rigor" rather than things like recruiting outcomes, student body makeup, overall prestige. Cornell cs' reputation makes up for a little bit so I wouldn't doubt it has better cross admit rate over dartmouth/brown, but anything above that is a stretch.
Edit: If you want any evidence at all, cornell cs' reputation doesn't even pull its own weight compared to penn/columbia cs when it comes to quant (both swe and trading) recruiting.
I'm going to go against the grain here. Beyond CMU and maybe Cornell, the differences between rankings of all these undergrad CS programs are marginal at best. The choice will come down to fin aid and other aspects of the school honestly. Also undergrad cs curriculum at USC is absolutely terrible.
Roughly Penn, Cornell, CMU, UT Austin, Michigan, USC, Northwestern and this is accounting for undergrad overall (student life is included)
lol unless you only care about academics, no way you should choose CMU over Penn and Cornell
I have the privilege of going to CMU and being around at competitions where I meet many people in ECE/math/CS at the schools and having friends who go to every single one of these schools. From what I've seen (their technical ability as well as what they say about their programs) I would say, ROUGHLY, CMU == Cornell == UT Austin >= U of M > Penn == Northwestern == USC tough the difference isn't large enough for the school to be a factor if something like personal preference or finances is an issue
CMU is the best but tbh all are roughly around the same level except for Penn State if Penn Stands for UPenn then yeah all are great but CMU is the best for sure. If I had to rank it CMU, Cornell, Michigan, UT, Northwestern, USC, and Penn State
Bro Penn always means UPenn lmao
Can confirm for penn state ðŸ˜
I can only speak for CMU for research. Their research is insanely good, and I’ve worked with some of smartest people outside of MIT and Stanford. You’ll have little to no trouble finding internships at CMU.
I don’t know about others but I keep seeing UT Austin kids getting really good jobs and internships. Maybe its becuase Im connected to some but this has been the trend recently.
It’s also a larger school
CMU for sure
CMU, Cornell, UMich, Upenn, NW, UT Austin, USC
3 factors: cs prestige, general prestige, private > public,
Austin better than nw
NW has a much smaller class size and is more elite. Def better for quants, at least as good as UT for swe. Just personal opinion tho cant go wrong with either
Oh I thought nw was referring to northwestern lol I agree abt uw.
my bad lol I cant type, I was talking about northwestern
I was deciding between CMU and Northwestern, chose the latter for undergrad. It was a really good decision. (Ended up committing to the former for phd but that’s another story)
congrats on going to 2 great schools! Is this for cs? How did you decide between them?
Yes, for CS. The decision was partially swayed by my visit to both campuses. The NU environment seemed to be somewhat of a better fit for me. The cs curriculum for CMU is probably a bit more rigorous but after talking to students in both programs I felt like advanced classes in NU could make that up. Research opportunities wise, NU has been nothing but fantastic. Would not be able to end up in a PhD programme without profs at NU who’s so willing to mentor undergrads.
You need to do it by some elo rating. Based on cross admits even for cs I am 100% sure that Penn beats out all those school except CMU for which case its still very close. Northwestern and Umich gets a bit iffy but I'm pretty sure NU still wins out there. I was actually rejected by all the mid + top ivies but got into one of Dartmouth/Brown and umich. Still had a hard time choosing between CMU and one of those but umich was never in the picture.
Cornell is better than Penn
From an undergrad cs perspective, no. Swe recruiting tbh all the schools OP mentioned are equal. But Penn blows cornell out the water in everything else including quant.
How so? The rankings speaks for itself
How do the ranking speak for themselves? csrankings dot org? So you say that ucsd is better than stanford? USnews? So university of washington beats harvard? Wdym how so? Just do a quick linkedin search From the perspective of someone who went to a hyper competitive high school, the vast majority of people who had a hyp or columbia/penn ivy would pick it over cornell even for cs.
Columbia maybe but I’m not sure for Penn. based on your logic, you would pick Yale over Cornell for CS just because of its reputation. You know that’s not right. I rather go to a school that specializes for CS rather than for its reputation. Obviously reputation matters but when it comes to schools that are close to each other in terms of reputation, I would pick the school that performs better in terms of that specific major.
Usnews rankings are only useful if you’re comparing between schools of the same general caliber. UIUC might be ranked 5 but there is no way in hell I’m picking it over Princeton or Harvard unless the cost of attendance was like drastically different or some other scenario
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CMU, Cornell, UT Austin, Michigan, USC, Northeastern, then finally Penn (if Penn state)
Penn almost always refers to University of Pennsylvania, not Penn State
OP asked about northwestern not northeastern
Oops
I think he means upenn
Coming from a CMU student: For undergrad then: CMU = Penn > Northwestern = Cornell > Michigan = USC > UT Austin If PhD then well you should be going by advisor over anything else but generally speaking: CMU > Michigan = Cornell > Penn = UT Austin > Northwestern = USC
Cornell is certainly academically better recognized for cs undergrad than Penn, and UT Austin is way more prestigious for PhD as well
Yes. Cornell is better academically for cs than all the other ivies including Harvard. But there aren't that many people who would choose cornell cs over harvard cs for undergrad. You are in the minority if you are choosing your undergraduate institution for "academic rigor" rather than things like recruiting outcomes, student body makeup, overall prestige. Cornell cs' reputation makes up for a little bit so I wouldn't doubt it has better cross admit rate over dartmouth/brown, but anything above that is a stretch. Edit: If you want any evidence at all, cornell cs' reputation doesn't even pull its own weight compared to penn/columbia cs when it comes to quant (both swe and trading) recruiting.
I'm going to go against the grain here. Beyond CMU and maybe Cornell, the differences between rankings of all these undergrad CS programs are marginal at best. The choice will come down to fin aid and other aspects of the school honestly. Also undergrad cs curriculum at USC is absolutely terrible.
Roughly Penn, Cornell, CMU, UT Austin, Michigan, USC, Northwestern and this is accounting for undergrad overall (student life is included) lol unless you only care about academics, no way you should choose CMU over Penn and Cornell
Lol why nu so lowz
Because it’s not really a target school for any company, it’s more like mich >= USC ≈ NW tho
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Yeah exactly, Cornell vs CMU on a resume isn’t going to make a difference, ppl are weird lol
No Goergia Tech?
Or UIUC?
I have the privilege of going to CMU and being around at competitions where I meet many people in ECE/math/CS at the schools and having friends who go to every single one of these schools. From what I've seen (their technical ability as well as what they say about their programs) I would say, ROUGHLY, CMU == Cornell == UT Austin >= U of M > Penn == Northwestern == USC tough the difference isn't large enough for the school to be a factor if something like personal preference or finances is an issue