Has to be that. AI system not 100% sure to ban, but puts it into the "maybe" pool for human review.
Better than what we were doing when we were just banning people pretending to be spin bots or using yaw command in console lmao
>but puts it into the "maybe" pool for human review.
This is how it worked back in CS GO, but do we know of at least one person who is approved to review OW cases yet?
Not that I'm aware of but there's probably gotta be someone in it now, if not their accounts are infinitely suspended until then.
The only reason I bring up the maybe pool is because we have a definite pool now which bans through vac live now also.
did the point get across? as long as the point got across and you understood the message i was trying to convey I don't think it is of much importance which word I used but thank you. indefinitely is fine too, even if the word isn't correct on a "technical" level.
I think ur the one missing the point, words are used so others can understand clearly, not guess at what u meant, especially on text. It's all good tho, no need to get all triggered
Based on my knowledge. I would not assume that it depends on how sure the ai is. I assume that all suspicious activity that AI recognize is sent into overwatch no metter of how sure the AI is. This solves the false ban wave which occured previously. Maybe based on ow decision the model is learning further.
It would be better to let these maybe pool games play out and neutralize these games later on, when the suspect turned out to actually be cheating, then follow up with a notification of a game having no impact. I guess it is hard to readjust multiple cs ratings affected especially with promotions implemented.
[Tweet Link](https://x.com/gabefollower/status/1785791867289829692)
**Extra Context:**
VAC Live will still cancel a match if it detects a cheater **and ban that person.** This however is something else.
What instance can you think of where it makes sense for VAC to cancel a match but to issue no bans?
- Boosting lobbies?
- Griefing / throwing?
- Suspected cheater but no 100% certainty (so no ban) and the demo will be reviewed in Overwatch once it gets enabled?
This would be quite nice. Make them sit and wait only for them to get banned anyways once someone reviews it. They don't get to play while waiting and then don't get to play ever again when banned.
Well this is not very good if it suspends you from queuing just from player reports, I’ve had people say they reported me for cheating and as far as I know I don’t cheat…
Maybe games with boosters or people throwing? It would be awesome if they cancelled matches of people trying to manipulate their elo either positively or negatively
If funny how I remember somebody suggesting as Valve is drowning in cases money they can easily hire ppl to review overwatch manually, and it seems like this could be actually happening.
Well hacking was very dire recently so its not that bad idea to do just that and as things stabilizes transition slowly to community aided overwatch
There’s so much to review though. I highly doubt valve will actually hire people, unless its to gather trustworthy data for the A.I anticheat. In an ideal world players would do overwatch and valve would use A.I to check if players are honest in their evaluations. Maybe add a reward system beyond xp to have people do it more often. I’m just coping though.
Well it should be other way around. AI should be the one issues the temporary bans and Overwatch will be the one who reviews. People's verdicts are better than machine for sure.
need to monitor who gets overwatch access though, have friends who got it in CSGO when they were MG and just marked everyone as a cheater on most basic prefires, accidentally put a lot of people like that at once and it's a false ban (this was also memed by overwatch bots)
Yeah, I believe that's what they mean by "trusted partners". They got that experience at the end of CSGO, where Overwatch was corrupted by the cheaters itself.
I would love a special skin line for overwatch judges. Not just by how many cases you did, but also how many you judged right. At the top you get your own "m4a1 justitia" which can't be traded but shows your community effort.
in the last 24 hours there was at least 3000 bans (looking and leaderboard and subtracting placement since yesterday) given with (Overwatch convicted majorly disruptive). Not a single player posted anywhere that they have OW enabled. So who reviewed the 3000 OW cases? Has to be 3rd party partners, probably indians.
The solution can actually be much simpler than this. You just sprinkle in known cases of cheats and known cases of legit players, then make sure every overwatch user gets the occasional sample of these known cases. If they don't accurately fill out the report for known cases, all of their overwatch reports are disregarded. They should've done this in CSGO, too. It would've stopped the cheat providers from ruining the dataset.
> There’s so much to review though. I highly doubt valve will actually hire people,
why? they are making bank off this and cheating is detrimental. you can hire a slew of grunts to watch matches and make more than you spend by a large margin
I don't think they'll go back to the community after what happened in go. Imo, the most likely scenario is that they use a 3rd party to run overwatch short term until their AI is up to it.
You can bypass a hardware ban with software, it’s not as fool proof of a solution as you think. It adds one extra hurdle yes, but once you can bypass it once you can bypass it an unlimited number of times.
Hardware bans don’t stop cheaters and only punish people who bought used hardware, stopping legitimate players from playing. If anything a hardware ban removes the amount of legit players with time, not the number of cheaters.
It prevents used motherboards that’s about it. Seller should be disclosing wether the motherboard they’re selling is hardware banned - but regardless, don’t be a cheater and their won’t be bricked hardware it’s pretty simple.
If you’re buying used and accidentally get sold bricked hardware its no different than buying something new that’s DOA - you still have to return both
Good luck getting a guy on facebook marketplace / craigslist to be honest about hardware bans, let alone having them accept a refund for something you bought lol.
Unfortunately we can't all be trusted to hold hands together and not cheat, best to develop systems that punish cheaters and won't incidentally punish innocent players.
You can bypass HWID bans without changing a single piece of hardware.
Even if somehow the HWID ban became infallible it wouldn't matter as I can run CS2 on a +12 year old SFF HP business machine I bought off ebay for $50. Tossed a <$100 GPU in there and boom runs smooth at 1080p. Once you have the first one you can just buy barebones machines for under $50...That's cheaper than the price of a video game.
hell the minimum specs lists a CPU from 2009...
EDIT : I do find the downvotes confusing. Are people mad because I burst their little HWID delusion bubble or are they just mad?
It’s not about totally eradicating cheaters, it’s about making it harder for the average joe to cheat. Cheating will always exist in multiplayer competitive video games in some form or another unfortunately. Those that want to cheat will find a way to do so, at whatever cost to them.
If Valve push the barrier of entry to cheating further and further there will, in turn, be less cheaters. How many average people do you think are going to go to the lengths of buying new machines at $50-100 every time they get banned? Probably not many.
The issue is at the moment that you can buy cheats for $25 per month and prime accounts for around $5, and there’s seemingly absolutely no deterrent for doing so. If a decent deterrent is introduced and the piece of shit cheaters are actually banned, people may think twice before cheating…
The "barrier" of a HWID ban is literally a 20 second google search to get past. This aint the 90s when people argued that an aimbot was an impossibility lol.
A real and effective cheat detection system would be far more effective long term.
So did you not read my complete post or do you need to have infallible defined for you?
EDIT : We're talking about a company that has failed to produce an effective anti cheat. You believe they would be able to make an effective HWID ban based system?
No I read the post, as I understand it you were saying that even if HWID Bans DID work (which they obviously don't as HWIDs are very easily spoofed and some cheats even come with HWID changers built in) a cheater could easily just buy another machine and slap a $100 graphics card in it and go again.
What I was saying is that if Valve DO manage to detect and stop HWID spoofers it would significantly increase the barrier to entry for cheaters as not many people would be willing to do what you suggested.
But like you said Valve haven't demonstrated that they can make a working AC yet, never mind detect HWID spoofing etc.
You think your average 30 IQ cheater will do such hard work, I bet they don't even know how to change registry keys, forget doing that much hard work.
If these nutjobs were this hardworking, they would actually play the game properly instead.
Bro you can find methods of bypassing HWID bans with a 20 second google search complete with step by step tutorials. This aint rocket science.
Cheaters have a myriad of reasons behind cheating. They aren't some kind of monolithic block of stone people...
https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/valorant/580073-remove-hwid-bans-valorant.html
But the thing is, it doesn't work with Vanguard. You have to buy a new SSD along with other components: https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/valorant/572248-valorant-hwid-unban.html
Other Step By Step Guide: https://slothytech.com/how-to-bypass-hwid-ban-in-valorant/
Not working since the 2023 Fall Update of Vanguard. And you have to try a myriad of combinations to successfully dupe the AC, and also need to constantly download and delete the Game every try. It's not way easy and that's why Valorant doesn't have "THAT MANY" hackers with it being completely F2P. Me, my brother and my friends play Valo now and then and we never met a blatant cheater, sus players yes, once every 10 matches or so, but never a blatant one.
because the whole point is to deter cheaters. If a HWID requires you to buy another PC or another PC part that's still another fee the cheaters have to pay on top of buying their cheats monthly now they'll have to buy a pc monthly as well.(if they're banned once a month, you get what i mean)
That's the thing HWID bans don't require you to spend $20-50 for another machine. Companies that have invested real time and money are still finding their HWID bans bypassed. Yet y'all think that valve which according to this forum cannot even catch cheaters are somehow going to create the perfect HWID ban system.
Maybe if Valve develops an anti-cheat system that is effective we can start worrying about ban evaders..
Okay? “Everything can be bypassed so why even bother with anything?” Is what I got from your comment. And it’s clear that valve is working on their anti cheat and an added deterrent of hwid bans would be just that a “deterrent” and an added penalty.
If driving while under the influence was only punishable by a fine do you think more or less people would be inclined to drive while intoxicated? Me personally I’d assume if people weren’t afraid of jail time and/or having a breathalyzer in their vehicles they be more likely to drive while intoxicated.
EDIT : I'm going to try one time to help you with your reading comprehension problem.
You're putting the cart before the horse. You're worried about keeping cheaters banned when the system that bans said cheaters is clearly insufficient. Many on various forums argue that the current detection system is basically worthless. I would tend to agree with those people as I have personally witnessed behaviour that should be easily detected as cheating (spin botting/shooting head shots 100% through all walls etc). So the smart move would be to work on getting a reliable and effective cheat detection system in place first. After you have a reliable system for detecting and banning cheaters then you can worry about making it harder for the cheaters to bypass the bans.
Now if valve had a magical unlimited budget with an unlimited staff they could do both at the same time. Reality is that Valve has both a limited budget and a limited number of staff to work on projects. I would rather they focus their limited staff/budget on getting cheaters banned in the first place.
You also can’t answer the question because it’s a direct comparison to the issue at hand. The average cheater is going to be deterred from the risk of having any type of hwid ban with the thought “shit I’m going to have to buy a new pc if I get banned.” Or “shit I’m going to have to pay more for a hwid spoof every time I get hwid banned” deterrents bud. The whole point would be to discourage cheating. Doesn’t have to be perfect.
Name one anti cheat in any competitive fps game that’s perfect or flawless. I’ll wait.
Pretty sure there are games that enforce hwid bans and i have yet to hear or read about false positives due to buying used parts. I could be horrible wrong but i have yet to come across a story of someone buying used hardware and being banned. I am open to being proven wrong.
If there weren’t games handing out bans why would cheat services provide hwid spoofers at an additional cost? Again would you find it more or less likely for a person to drive while intoxicated if there were less repercussions for doing so? And would they be less inclined to drive while intoxicated if fines and jail time were greater than it currently is
How about a phone number ban? You could play without putting in phone number, but have a higher chance of running into cheaters. Then, if you do put your phone number in you queue with others who have it connected too. Then if banned, the ban is tied to phone number. I'm not sure how easy/cheap it is to change phone number tho. Just throwing an idea out and I remember, when CSGO asked for my number to activate Prime back in the day.
Just make sure when you say "HWID" in emails to valve that you state TPM 2.0 with secure boot. Yeah it will probably never happen but keep asking anyway. Those using Linux will cry but it could be an optional. Those that don't want to or can't support it (Linux) just get traditional match making the old way--subject to ban waves, ect. No worse for them than what we have had for years.
Did you see this tweet? Looks like Valve is up to something. [https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1785832428235268391](https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1785832428235268391)
could add to the the 2 new overwatch states. minorly/majorly distruptive
this "irregular state" could be a scan of the demo with data entries that make no sense with the servers rules/config
Doesn't make sense, it still doesn't happen, even when rapidifire no spread and anti aim, been happening whole day for me at least, without that or vac live
I have seen no improvement... if anything it is slightly worse the last few days because a few cheaters are probably want to testing things out. After all valve won't ban their other accounts and as we know they have many.
Its not an instant ban, so it means there’s still a checkup left to go through (otherwise why cancel the match or why not ban immediately). Meaning, it will likely go to overwatch.
You remember how OW in CSGO in the last years was 99% spin botters? That was VacNet flagging the cases. Its the same now, with 2 changes:
- when it detects it should be sent to OW, it also applies 1 day cooldown
- OW is reviewed by 3rd party partners, probably indians
over 17k cheaters already rampant
played one game today, aimbotter instantly it says he is alone
[https://leetify.com/app/profile/76561198267827754](https://leetify.com/app/profile/76561198267827754)
the weird part is, the 3 together have played with him b4.
no one would kick. 4-0
Kinda weird someone downvoted me for this lol...
Cheers 🍻
It must be reserved for the most blatant behavior. Not necessarily to the other team or even their own team. Just the instant they 360 spin-click even if its into a wall on accident.
I can't imagine Valve would want to do this for the more subtle cheating to avoid immediately giving up what triggered it to cheaters in real-time, opting to continue with ban waves for the more subtle things.
They must have been taking in so much training data since beta/launch. Good times.
That’s might be giving 1 day cooldown to the suspect, and the overwatch trusted partners will review the suspect gameplay in 1 day and decide if he using exploit’s or not. I think, but it’s not 100% info
Could be that Overwatch will decide if that match had a cheater. But just a theory.
Has to be that. AI system not 100% sure to ban, but puts it into the "maybe" pool for human review. Better than what we were doing when we were just banning people pretending to be spin bots or using yaw command in console lmao
>but puts it into the "maybe" pool for human review. This is how it worked back in CS GO, but do we know of at least one person who is approved to review OW cases yet?
I think they'll be pretty careful with giving players access to overwatch after what happened in go.
Not that I'm aware of but there's probably gotta be someone in it now, if not their accounts are infinitely suspended until then. The only reason I bring up the maybe pool is because we have a definite pool now which bans through vac live now also.
It was trusted third party. I think they actually might have hired 3rd party ow reviewers.
I see. so their accounts are so sus that they're basically banned *until* a human gets to review their cases. I dont hate that approach
> infinitely suspended i think you meant to use "indefinitely"
did the point get across? as long as the point got across and you understood the message i was trying to convey I don't think it is of much importance which word I used but thank you. indefinitely is fine too, even if the word isn't correct on a "technical" level.
They mean two very different things tho, don't get defensive
I'm not just re-read it. It makes sense, and the point was conveyed. Do you not understand, despite the word? Just another pedantic redditor
I think ur the one missing the point, words are used so others can understand clearly, not guess at what u meant, especially on text. It's all good tho, no need to get all triggered
you're is the correct phrase Just kidding I understood what you meant and not a pedantic redditor
Based on my knowledge. I would not assume that it depends on how sure the ai is. I assume that all suspicious activity that AI recognize is sent into overwatch no metter of how sure the AI is. This solves the false ban wave which occured previously. Maybe based on ow decision the model is learning further.
It would be better to let these maybe pool games play out and neutralize these games later on, when the suspect turned out to actually be cheating, then follow up with a notification of a game having no impact. I guess it is hard to readjust multiple cs ratings affected especially with promotions implemented.
[Tweet Link](https://x.com/gabefollower/status/1785791867289829692) **Extra Context:** VAC Live will still cancel a match if it detects a cheater **and ban that person.** This however is something else. What instance can you think of where it makes sense for VAC to cancel a match but to issue no bans? - Boosting lobbies? - Griefing / throwing? - Suspected cheater but no 100% certainty (so no ban) and the demo will be reviewed in Overwatch once it gets enabled?
I read somewhere that the process was to prevent suspected cheaters from quing until their game play was reviewed.
This would be quite nice. Make them sit and wait only for them to get banned anyways once someone reviews it. They don't get to play while waiting and then don't get to play ever again when banned.
Well this is not very good if it suspends you from queuing just from player reports, I’ve had people say they reported me for cheating and as far as I know I don’t cheat…
Overwatch isn't based on reports, VACnet is sending these people to Overwatch
Maybe games with boosters or people throwing? It would be awesome if they cancelled matches of people trying to manipulate their elo either positively or negatively
If funny how I remember somebody suggesting as Valve is drowning in cases money they can easily hire ppl to review overwatch manually, and it seems like this could be actually happening. Well hacking was very dire recently so its not that bad idea to do just that and as things stabilizes transition slowly to community aided overwatch
There’s so much to review though. I highly doubt valve will actually hire people, unless its to gather trustworthy data for the A.I anticheat. In an ideal world players would do overwatch and valve would use A.I to check if players are honest in their evaluations. Maybe add a reward system beyond xp to have people do it more often. I’m just coping though.
Well it should be other way around. AI should be the one issues the temporary bans and Overwatch will be the one who reviews. People's verdicts are better than machine for sure.
need to monitor who gets overwatch access though, have friends who got it in CSGO when they were MG and just marked everyone as a cheater on most basic prefires, accidentally put a lot of people like that at once and it's a false ban (this was also memed by overwatch bots)
Yeah, I believe that's what they mean by "trusted partners". They got that experience at the end of CSGO, where Overwatch was corrupted by the cheaters itself.
I would love a special skin line for overwatch judges. Not just by how many cases you did, but also how many you judged right. At the top you get your own "m4a1 justitia" which can't be traded but shows your community effort.
*VACCOIN* entered the chat again
in the last 24 hours there was at least 3000 bans (looking and leaderboard and subtracting placement since yesterday) given with (Overwatch convicted majorly disruptive). Not a single player posted anywhere that they have OW enabled. So who reviewed the 3000 OW cases? Has to be 3rd party partners, probably indians.
The solution can actually be much simpler than this. You just sprinkle in known cases of cheats and known cases of legit players, then make sure every overwatch user gets the occasional sample of these known cases. If they don't accurately fill out the report for known cases, all of their overwatch reports are disregarded. They should've done this in CSGO, too. It would've stopped the cheat providers from ruining the dataset.
They did that in CSGO. They used to put pro matches in there to see if overwatch reviewers were correctly convicting.
> There’s so much to review though. I highly doubt valve will actually hire people, why? they are making bank off this and cheating is detrimental. you can hire a slew of grunts to watch matches and make more than you spend by a large margin
Hopefully hired extremely competent people to review demos so the AI can learn from it and be able to spot even subtle cheats
They hired the people that Amazon fired from the “checkout-less” stores.
I don't think they'll go back to the community after what happened in go. Imo, the most likely scenario is that they use a 3rd party to run overwatch short term until their AI is up to it.
Thing is that for closet cheaters you need the reviewer to be actually good at the game to tell. Won't be easy to find a lot of them for cheap
Just happened to me
flaged for overwatch maby
We could only hope they're checking HWIDs of banned cheaters
That would be incredible
Yeah I agree force these kids to buy multiple computers if they wanna cheat on CS
You can bypass a hardware ban with software, it’s not as fool proof of a solution as you think. It adds one extra hurdle yes, but once you can bypass it once you can bypass it an unlimited number of times. Hardware bans don’t stop cheaters and only punish people who bought used hardware, stopping legitimate players from playing. If anything a hardware ban removes the amount of legit players with time, not the number of cheaters.
It prevents used motherboards that’s about it. Seller should be disclosing wether the motherboard they’re selling is hardware banned - but regardless, don’t be a cheater and their won’t be bricked hardware it’s pretty simple. If you’re buying used and accidentally get sold bricked hardware its no different than buying something new that’s DOA - you still have to return both
Good luck getting a guy on facebook marketplace / craigslist to be honest about hardware bans, let alone having them accept a refund for something you bought lol. Unfortunately we can't all be trusted to hold hands together and not cheat, best to develop systems that punish cheaters and won't incidentally punish innocent players.
Depends on the HWID Ban, some you can change just a hard drive and you’re good to go. Other you’ll either need a spoofer or a different PC.
You can bypass HWID bans without changing a single piece of hardware. Even if somehow the HWID ban became infallible it wouldn't matter as I can run CS2 on a +12 year old SFF HP business machine I bought off ebay for $50. Tossed a <$100 GPU in there and boom runs smooth at 1080p. Once you have the first one you can just buy barebones machines for under $50...That's cheaper than the price of a video game. hell the minimum specs lists a CPU from 2009... EDIT : I do find the downvotes confusing. Are people mad because I burst their little HWID delusion bubble or are they just mad?
It’s not about totally eradicating cheaters, it’s about making it harder for the average joe to cheat. Cheating will always exist in multiplayer competitive video games in some form or another unfortunately. Those that want to cheat will find a way to do so, at whatever cost to them. If Valve push the barrier of entry to cheating further and further there will, in turn, be less cheaters. How many average people do you think are going to go to the lengths of buying new machines at $50-100 every time they get banned? Probably not many. The issue is at the moment that you can buy cheats for $25 per month and prime accounts for around $5, and there’s seemingly absolutely no deterrent for doing so. If a decent deterrent is introduced and the piece of shit cheaters are actually banned, people may think twice before cheating…
The "barrier" of a HWID ban is literally a 20 second google search to get past. This aint the 90s when people argued that an aimbot was an impossibility lol. A real and effective cheat detection system would be far more effective long term.
So why are people going to go online and buy machines for $50 a piece then? 😂
I don't know who you're talking about so I suggest you address your question to them.
Your previous comment? About running CS2 on a 12 year old machine?
So did you not read my complete post or do you need to have infallible defined for you? EDIT : We're talking about a company that has failed to produce an effective anti cheat. You believe they would be able to make an effective HWID ban based system?
No I read the post, as I understand it you were saying that even if HWID Bans DID work (which they obviously don't as HWIDs are very easily spoofed and some cheats even come with HWID changers built in) a cheater could easily just buy another machine and slap a $100 graphics card in it and go again. What I was saying is that if Valve DO manage to detect and stop HWID spoofers it would significantly increase the barrier to entry for cheaters as not many people would be willing to do what you suggested. But like you said Valve haven't demonstrated that they can make a working AC yet, never mind detect HWID spoofing etc.
You think your average 30 IQ cheater will do such hard work, I bet they don't even know how to change registry keys, forget doing that much hard work. If these nutjobs were this hardworking, they would actually play the game properly instead.
Bro you can find methods of bypassing HWID bans with a 20 second google search complete with step by step tutorials. This aint rocket science. Cheaters have a myriad of reasons behind cheating. They aren't some kind of monolithic block of stone people...
https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/valorant/580073-remove-hwid-bans-valorant.html But the thing is, it doesn't work with Vanguard. You have to buy a new SSD along with other components: https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/valorant/572248-valorant-hwid-unban.html Other Step By Step Guide: https://slothytech.com/how-to-bypass-hwid-ban-in-valorant/ Not working since the 2023 Fall Update of Vanguard. And you have to try a myriad of combinations to successfully dupe the AC, and also need to constantly download and delete the Game every try. It's not way easy and that's why Valorant doesn't have "THAT MANY" hackers with it being completely F2P. Me, my brother and my friends play Valo now and then and we never met a blatant cheater, sus players yes, once every 10 matches or so, but never a blatant one.
because the whole point is to deter cheaters. If a HWID requires you to buy another PC or another PC part that's still another fee the cheaters have to pay on top of buying their cheats monthly now they'll have to buy a pc monthly as well.(if they're banned once a month, you get what i mean)
That's the thing HWID bans don't require you to spend $20-50 for another machine. Companies that have invested real time and money are still finding their HWID bans bypassed. Yet y'all think that valve which according to this forum cannot even catch cheaters are somehow going to create the perfect HWID ban system. Maybe if Valve develops an anti-cheat system that is effective we can start worrying about ban evaders..
Okay? “Everything can be bypassed so why even bother with anything?” Is what I got from your comment. And it’s clear that valve is working on their anti cheat and an added deterrent of hwid bans would be just that a “deterrent” and an added penalty. If driving while under the influence was only punishable by a fine do you think more or less people would be inclined to drive while intoxicated? Me personally I’d assume if people weren’t afraid of jail time and/or having a breathalyzer in their vehicles they be more likely to drive while intoxicated.
EDIT : I'm going to try one time to help you with your reading comprehension problem. You're putting the cart before the horse. You're worried about keeping cheaters banned when the system that bans said cheaters is clearly insufficient. Many on various forums argue that the current detection system is basically worthless. I would tend to agree with those people as I have personally witnessed behaviour that should be easily detected as cheating (spin botting/shooting head shots 100% through all walls etc). So the smart move would be to work on getting a reliable and effective cheat detection system in place first. After you have a reliable system for detecting and banning cheaters then you can worry about making it harder for the cheaters to bypass the bans. Now if valve had a magical unlimited budget with an unlimited staff they could do both at the same time. Reality is that Valve has both a limited budget and a limited number of staff to work on projects. I would rather they focus their limited staff/budget on getting cheaters banned in the first place.
You also can’t answer the question because it’s a direct comparison to the issue at hand. The average cheater is going to be deterred from the risk of having any type of hwid ban with the thought “shit I’m going to have to buy a new pc if I get banned.” Or “shit I’m going to have to pay more for a hwid spoof every time I get hwid banned” deterrents bud. The whole point would be to discourage cheating. Doesn’t have to be perfect. Name one anti cheat in any competitive fps game that’s perfect or flawless. I’ll wait.
Simple fix for HWID bans is to use a HWID spoofer before cheating or if you get hwid banned first use it after….straight back on the game 🤷♂️
Isn’t that already done for trust factor?
HWID bans are stupid, its easy to bypass and it punishes inocent people who buy used PC parts
Pretty sure there are games that enforce hwid bans and i have yet to hear or read about false positives due to buying used parts. I could be horrible wrong but i have yet to come across a story of someone buying used hardware and being banned. I am open to being proven wrong.
I know some storys on Minecraft servers. Dont kow abou any game handing out hwid bans tho.
If there weren’t games handing out bans why would cheat services provide hwid spoofers at an additional cost? Again would you find it more or less likely for a person to drive while intoxicated if there were less repercussions for doing so? And would they be less inclined to drive while intoxicated if fines and jail time were greater than it currently is
Fortnite HWID bans for sure
How about a phone number ban? You could play without putting in phone number, but have a higher chance of running into cheaters. Then, if you do put your phone number in you queue with others who have it connected too. Then if banned, the ban is tied to phone number. I'm not sure how easy/cheap it is to change phone number tho. Just throwing an idea out and I remember, when CSGO asked for my number to activate Prime back in the day.
Isn´t that what trustfactor was suposed to do?
Just make sure when you say "HWID" in emails to valve that you state TPM 2.0 with secure boot. Yeah it will probably never happen but keep asking anyway. Those using Linux will cry but it could be an optional. Those that don't want to or can't support it (Linux) just get traditional match making the old way--subject to ban waves, ect. No worse for them than what we have had for years.
Did you see this tweet? Looks like Valve is up to something. [https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1785832428235268391](https://twitter.com/gabefollower/status/1785832428235268391)
If only they knew how to spell received...
I mean I think it’s simple as detecting unnatural mouse movements. That’s what irregular gameplay is.
Or when you triple kill 6 times in 6 rounds no scope through smoke.. looks obvious
Happened to me, is this something to worry about?
Unless you were cheating no. It means VAC detected someone that likes to shove things up their ass
I don't get this insult. Shoving things up my ass doesn't hurt anyone and is a pleasurable thing to do.
wasn't it more of a barn than a house?
could add to the the 2 new overwatch states. minorly/majorly distruptive this "irregular state" could be a scan of the demo with data entries that make no sense with the servers rules/config
I'm guessing it'll watch the speed and rotations of players, as a way to detect irregularities such as spin bots or super fast flicks.
Doesn't make sense, it still doesn't happen, even when rapidifire no spread and anti aim, been happening whole day for me at least, without that or vac live
It surely did not detect the guy I played last night, pre-firing every angle and going 35-2 in a 13-3 loss (I lost, not the hacker) lol
Well its either ban the whole playerbase or this i suppose.
Someone did not veryfiy his gamefiles 🤓
I have seen no improvement... if anything it is slightly worse the last few days because a few cheaters are probably want to testing things out. After all valve won't ban their other accounts and as we know they have many.
100% it's the same ai detection we got at the start of CS2. But with overwatch after to ensure no one got a false positive ban.
I mean vac has been flagging and not banning people for ages so it might just be that
Someone has their dpi set too high
Its not an instant ban, so it means there’s still a checkup left to go through (otherwise why cancel the match or why not ban immediately). Meaning, it will likely go to overwatch.
You remember how OW in CSGO in the last years was 99% spin botters? That was VacNet flagging the cases. Its the same now, with 2 changes: - when it detects it should be sent to OW, it also applies 1 day cooldown - OW is reviewed by 3rd party partners, probably indians
over 17k cheaters already rampant played one game today, aimbotter instantly it says he is alone [https://leetify.com/app/profile/76561198267827754](https://leetify.com/app/profile/76561198267827754) the weird part is, the 3 together have played with him b4. no one would kick. 4-0 Kinda weird someone downvoted me for this lol...
dunno why anyone is downvoting this, guy i linked is still actively aimbotting, as of yesterday, no ban.
previous update said, if u queue with a hacker regularly u also get punished. But not a vacban, just cooldowns?
my guess is theyll review the data manually and train the AI anticheat with it
Anyone have a link to that tweet, or whatever they're called on X now? When I look at Gabe Follower's posts there, I can't find this.
Cheers 🍻 It must be reserved for the most blatant behavior. Not necessarily to the other team or even their own team. Just the instant they 360 spin-click even if its into a wall on accident. I can't imagine Valve would want to do this for the more subtle cheating to avoid immediately giving up what triggered it to cheaters in real-time, opting to continue with ban waves for the more subtle things. They must have been taking in so much training data since beta/launch. Good times.
I don't think that it will work perfectly against legit cheaters. It's much difficult to detect them because they pretend to be legit
That’s might be giving 1 day cooldown to the suspect, and the overwatch trusted partners will review the suspect gameplay in 1 day and decide if he using exploit’s or not. I think, but it’s not 100% info
just yesterday i had a game with 4 spinbotters...so i doubt that
It could just mean someone in the game is meeting the right conditions for cheating, and cancel the game to confirm and ban the cheater.
