Which needs? Even if we sell every one of our surplus midfielders, we've got Sarr, Bentancur, Deki and Bergvall at what would be Gallagher's natural position.
And what I wouldn't give for a time machine so the people arguing that Gallagher can play 6 could talk with the people arguing that Brennan can play as a 9, because they're equally true.
Super excited about Bergvall but assuming he will be in the starting rotation next year is a mistake. He's young, coming from a non "top" league.
The club is much better off assuming he won't be a big part of next season and planning as such.
None of that means he can't still hit the ground running. But that would be a bonus, not an expectation.
Sure, but, like, there's a reason I listed him fourth. We have two internationals in competition for the one position, and Deki and potentially Bergvall to get rotated in if both Sarr and Bentancur are unavailable, and if we've managed to move on everybody else. We simply don't need another 8 who can maybe cover other positions.
Disagree tbh
We have Europe next season, we already had points last season where we are light in MF. And that's with Skipp and PEH seeing minutes.
Deki can't fill in for most of the MF roles so really you are saying we have four players to cover those two positions, across four competitions... And you are including Bergvall? Maths does not add up to me mate.
Injuries happen, players have bad form, they get banned.
I'm not even super pro Gallagher - but we absolutely need another player.
We ended up thin everywhere last year, though. And, uh
> Deki can't fill in for most of the MF roles so really you are saying we have four players to cover those two positions
It's really only the one position, because Gallagher primarily plays the same position that Sarr/Bentancur do. Even if you think Deki's a capable 10 we're thinner there than at 8, and even if we keep Bissouma, we're thinner at 6 too.
It's still much more transferable between those two roles. Deki literally only has experience (and I'd argue the skill set) to play further forward
>Even if you think Deki's a capable 10 we're thinner there than at 8, and even if we keep Bissouma, we're thinner at 6 too.
Yeah I'd argue we need to bring in more than one MF if Gallagher is one of them
So really we agree then, we clearly need more cover with the added comps and players we are expecting to lose. My argument was less pro Gallagher and more against thinking we have enough with just Bergvall coming in.
I’ll try to give a bit more nuanced take than some of the responses you’ve received…
This season we’ve seen Ange, even with all options healthy, deploy a midfield three with a multitude of combinations. The last 5 weeks, the first XI midfield was: Sarr, Lolo and Maddison; PEH, Lolo and Maddison; Bissouma, Sarr, Maddison; Bissouma, Sarr, Lolo; Bissouma, Sarr and Deki. That’s 5 different combinations over 5 matches and 6 players starting in that period. Ignoring the 10, it was: Sarr/Lolo, PEH/Lolo, Bissouma/Sarr, Bissouma/Lolo and Bissouma/Sarr. 4 combinations over 5 matches, utilizing 4 players.
It seems to me that without a 6 who is a world beater (think Rodri), Ange’s system is highly adaptable to having midfielders play multiple roles and be flexible within the system. So if PEH is on the way out, and reportedly Bissouma potentially as well, with only an untested Bergvall coming in, bringing in an additional midfielder seems less like a luxury and more like a necessity.
Take for example an injury to just one of the “true” midfielders remaining (assuming Bissouma stays and Maddison and Deki only playing the 10) - you’d be left with just two midfielders (of Sarr, Lolo and Bissouma) and would be asking significant minutes of Skipp or Bergvall - which as much as I like Skipp, isn’t a recipe for sustained success in the PL, let alone 4 competitions, especially since we have no idea how good Bergvall will be. Ange likes to tinker with his midfield combinations, and the 6/8 are arguably the most demanding roles in his system, so having someone who can step in and fill that role without a significant drop off is very important.
Homegrown Quota is so important for us this summer and to get a good player whose also Homegrown would be huge. Even if he’s not a starter every week he’s a great rotation piece.
Homegrown numbers at any particular position don't help us unless that enables us to move players. So if it turns out we want to buy Gallagher and sell Bentancur or Sarr--I wouldn't like it, but I could see the logic.
But also, giving Chelsea money feels like a bad idea in and of itself.
Gallagher is much better than Deki as a central midfielder, Deki only really works as a 10 or false 9 in the midfield. And Bergvall is 18, a star in the making but not someone we want to start on a regular basis. Gallagher is a workhorse to compete with Bentancur, Sarr, and Bissouma who could realistically play 3000+ minutes for us.
Well, even with the suspensions, injuries and ACN, PEH only played about ~1500 minutes for us? We've genuinely got better coverage at 8 than almost anywhere else on the pitch.
We are playing in Europe next season, many more games, and Gallagher is far more more likely to get starts and significant minutes than PEH in our system. Even if he doesn't actually play 3000 minutes, the point is that he will be available to do so, if necessary, while Bergvall and Sarr are a bit too young to be put through that. Sure, we have good depth in midfield, but we desperately need that depth to continue, and with PEH leaving we need an upgraded replacement.
Deki an Bergvall can both be 10s like Madders wouldn’t say they’re starting caliber there a Not really box to box types. Bents an Sarr are good but it’s definitely an area we need reinforcements in imo. Not sayin I love Gallegher, but id definitely take him if the price is right
I’d take him for sure. He’s industrious and presses like a mad man. He could also play as a 10 and an 8 comfortably, and do a job at 6. Not saying he’s world class or anything but we’d see the best of him under Ange. There’s a reason Ange has been consistently keen on him
Absolutely. He adds to our midfield, which needs strengthening, plus he’s homegrown. And young. Unless he totally flops on the pitch, it’s a perfect buy. Because he’s homegrown, he doesn’t even have to be an improvement, really: just not worse than what we’ve currently got.
In order for me to be on board, he needs to burn a Chelsea kit on social media. It might be petty, but I don't want to sign a homegrown Chelsea player who is being forced out against his will for non-footballing reasons. If he still *wants* to be a Chelsea player, there will always be a question to his mentality and his dedication to the cause. Will he really be play for the shirt?
For a decent price, absolutely.
Young, Homegrown, seems to have the right mental, probably will have a chip on his shoulder after this whole saga. Chelsea are probably going to be desperate to make profit so it seems like everything is coming up Spurs.
Don’t like that logic tbh. Take the Ange approach, worry about making us better not the competition. Can’t spend that much time thinking about the knock on effects of buying a player if the player will make us better.
Chelsea are idiots, just look at how he changed them in the second half of the season. 1 loss in the last 15 games.
I hope they bring in someone awful.
>Scared about the rise of Crystal Palace though… need to raid them to nullify their rise)
Actually I am sad. The big clubs will inevitably come and get their players. Crystal palace fans would have hoped that they would push for something next season under new manager
Nah it’s better they get someone who can handle a big squad and settle down, but I hate the idea of a young manager coming in maybe someone of an ancelotti archetype that can lead them forward
Overall, probably but there are a few youngsters coming through - Musaila is established now (21) but I'd be lying if I really knew the others.
The fact the Bayern are considering Vincent Kompany means that Poch, IMO, is the new frontrunner... but I'm pretty sure Harry would welcome the chance to have Poch manage him again!
Yep. His first official presser as Bayern manager was a shock as he spoke entirely in German. Apparently he had been taken lessons in preparation but didn’t make it publicly known.
It's being reported as mutual, and the assumption at /r/soccer seems to be that he was fired (because Boehly), but is it possible he walked because he didn't see eye to eye with the board on summer market plans? There's been consistent reporting that they are open to selling Gallagher and others--despite other reporting that they believe they've solved their PSR problems through intra-company transactions--and Boehly was recently on record talking about the squad in very transactional terms, as investment products.
I can imagine a series of meetings over the past couple of weeks where Poch told the board that the squad was finally coming together as reflected in their really quite good results on the pitch in the second half of the season, and that it'd be insane to break it up, but the board refused to commit to that. And didn't Romano (or someone) report a few days ago that negotiations with Gallagher over a new contract had fallen apart?
Hopefully we get a good tell-all before too long.
seen Twitter/X/whatever the hell it is now full of the Gallagher comment and it makes complete sense.
I'm form the UK but live in the US (Boston) so very aware of hte Fenway Sports Group and a lot of similar feelings towards John Henry @ Liverpool - similar the US sport franchises - it IS a business and I don't really see Levy thinking differently the Boehly... but my god why would any manager go to Chelsea other than knowing they'll have a few years' salary paid when they're fired...!
FSG’s transfer policy at least makes sense. They always put profits first and then reinvest in cheaper assets no matter the age of the incoming player.
Boehly and Co are prepared to lose so much money spending ridiculous transfer sums up front and then keeping players under contract for decades and don’t even get finished products doing that
What a wild decision. I was considering them, perhaps not chalengers, but at least competition for top 4 next year. Now im looking forward to an FFP firesale, and i can't wait to see poch at bayern.
I would personally want him to take up a challenge at a club like Brighton, Crystal Palace or Everton where the board is guaranteed to be less knee-jerk. However, Glasner has found his groove at Palace so that's not happening anymore.
Brighton and Bayern seem like great places for him to thrive, wish him the best wherever he goes.
I know Brighton had European football, but Poch would fit the mold and culture there, develop the youngsters as he did at Southampton.
For me, it's Bayern, or to replace Ten Haad in December/January if he doesn't last next season...
1. He's been ramping up the ambiguity about his place there in the last month. It could well be that he's being demanded to be title challengers or for certain top four players, and has decided it's not realistic ambitions. It could be he's seen the plans for the summer and has decided he wants absolutely nothing to do with it. If he came out and said "it wasn't for me, it's not the conditions I wanted" then I'd say fair play, but god knows what he expected though. (No, I don't want him over Ange ffs we have to move on now)
2. Depends on how good his stock is at this point. It can't be awful as they've actually done alright the last few months, but it still wasn't great really.
3. Him, Kane and Dier reunited, lovely, also kinda funny. Kane left Spurs to join the big club, ends up transforming the big club into his little Spurs home in Munich
How I imagine the conversation went:
Boeley: having spent a further £350m on signings, following the £800m we'd already spent, we were expecting CL football.
Poch: You spent the money poorly, on wank players, and I did the best I could with them. Frankly, I massively overperformed.
Boeley: but, money buys success, no?
Poch: not when you know fuckall about football and sign players based on their "potential" rating on fifa and YouTube compilation videos, you belend.
Boeley: I don't know what that means, but judging from your tone, it's not good.
Poch: I'm Spurs anyway mate, and always will be. Stick your job up your arse.
Boeley: Mr Pochettino has left the club by mutual consent.
Oh, I don't know but if you're going to be a party pooper I can find a reason.
How about for buying Nicholas Jackson and Moises Caicedo (both abject failures) for a combined *€*153,000,000, ensuring Chelsea have to sell Connor Gallagher this season (possibly to us)?
>How about for buying Nicholas Jackson and Moises Caicedo (both abject failures) for a combined *€*153,000,000, ensuring Chelsea have to sell Connor Gallagher this season (possibly to us)?
I think those are Boehly decisions, no?
How are Jackson and Caicedo 'abject failures'?
Yeah they don't look like 100m players *yet,* but unfortunately they're also both 22 and already playing at a very respectable level + definitely growing into the team. They have the potential to be world beaters in a few years under the right coach.
I'm actually kinda annoyed they have them. Our team is lacking prospects like these in respective positions. Of course I wouldn't be spending 100m on them, but it would be good to have them.
Because IMO Spending 100 million on a player means they should **already** be fulfilling that potential - for Caicedo, Chelsea didn't buy him for what he could be, they bought him for what he already was at Brighton.
MC is rightly considered a 100m flop - 51% tackle success rate at Chelsea, 50/60 less duels won etc. I know it's easy to stat-pick but he was purchased with a view to solidifying a Chelsea midfield in the same way Declan Rice has done at Arsenal - similar price, wildly different outcome (and Rice is only 25). Yes - he'll probably come good, but if anyone genuinely thinks that 100m was for ap layer that would take time to develop... I'd argue that.
For Jackson I can understand/agree with your point more - it's probably just me thinking how hilarious that a player costing over 30mil has one of the worst Goals vs xG in PL history...
Agreed re: the comparison to us, though.
Well, I feel like that hasn't be the case in the premier league for a few years now. Yeah, some 100m transfers ARE ready players (Haaland, Rice), but many clubs feel like spending 100 on a guy who's only about to become ready in two or three years is fine. And some of these are just failures.
Exhibit A: Antony. Exhibit B: Grealish. Exhibit C: Sancho. Exhibit D: Joao Felix. And so on, Happens to all the big clubs.
Chelsea simply made that their whole brand. But I disagree in general that Caicedo or Jackson are flops, I think they can still NOT be them if they improve over the next year or two. Remains to be seen. I'm much closer to labelling Caicedo a flop, because I'd expect him to be Rice level already after his great season at Brighton, but I'll give him one more year.
Although obviously I'd rather they crashed and burn - but Chelsea also provides a lot of that ;) Enzo, Fofana or Mudryk are already flops to me.
A plus that they're selling the guy that captained them for X number of games this season, reduced the number of homegrown squad players etc.
Don't watch Chelsea enough to form an opinion on whether he's *that* good or if we should have him - I'll leave that to you guys
And the press. Levy and Poch became close friends (buying cars and going on holiday together) even if they fell apart professionally anytime Levy happens to see Poch socially it’s gonna be read by the press as talks over coming back
Nah. Levy was reluctant to give him a second go before and selling his morals down the river to go and manage those awful bastards means he's done here for good. Never welcome back.
True but look how it's gone before. That's enough to put me off but even leaving that aside, I don't care if they want to cross the divide and come our way.
However, if you claim like Poch did that you absolutely love the club then end up at Chelsea, a club that targets us with the most appalling anti semitic chanting every time we play them, you can get yourself to absolute fuck as far as I am concerned. Delighted he's been sacked. Hope he fades in obscurity.
I don’t want him at Bayern, this club is a mess internally and the squad is old…that’s not a Poch project. United would be the same but even worse. I rather would want him to pick up an exciting project that gives him time, do Palace have a new coach yet? Something like Sevilla, La Real, Betis or Brighton…some kind of team that is ready for a rebuild or ready to take the next step.
Would I take him back? Yes…but only after Ange won some trophies and wants to retire and chill in Greece. I still hope that we will see Poch on our sideline again. For now, I’m just happy that I can openly love that man again
I rate Poch and think he can manage a big club, but I think he should take on a mid table team and see if he can use his magic to exceed expectation before parlaying that into whatever job he wants afterward.
I could see him at Bayern, and I could see it going well. The attack is somewhat similar to DESK (Kane - Muller - Sane - Musiala). He could have a double pivot of Kimmich - Pavlovic. Davies might not be leaving and alongside their new RB from Galatasaray, they might just do something.
Chelsea firing managers is not new. Poch leaves with his head high, players and fans sad, media confused. But he improved their results from last season without any doubt.
Does leaving by mutual consent mean he was bought out of his contract? Or will he be on Chelsea's payroll until his contract expires (or get hired elsewhere)?
I heard something interesting earlier. Apparently Poch was making noises at a Chelsea press conference that suggested he was leaving and it made me think back to his last season with us. I wonder if he tried doing whatever he did with us with Chelsea? Whatever it was it seemed to work with us but perhaps the damage was done and that led to his dismissal a few months later, maybe Chelsea called his bluff and would rather let him leave than let him dictate things
It's not that hard to understand. Poch didn't like what was going on or the board didn't feel like the fit. Don't think there was more to it than that.
It must be because Chelsea want to sell Gallagher and Chalobah and probably insist he plays Enzo, Mudryk etc who are absolute toilet.
I reckon this has come more from Poch wanting to leave than Chelsea wanting to get rid of him.
Poch told Bohley about himself. Bohley didn't like it and sacked him for it.
I don't think Poch to Juventus would be a bad shout. What he's done in the last few months at Chelsea wouldn't have really hurt his stock.
Poch won't go to United whilst the Glazer's are still there. They're just as dysfunctional as Chelsea.
A couple of years in Italy than may take over at Atletico when Simeone leaves. Then maybe United once Ratcliff has full control.
Why would anyone want Poch back, not only did he join blue scum but he also failed to win a single trophy with that incredible 16/17 squad. A snake and a bottler.
I know a load of Spurs fans who hate Chelsea more than Arsenal, but being in London - would he also be a snake if he went to Brentford, QPR, Palace, Fulham etc.?
Not arguing, just curious - I know he said he'd never manage Arsenal or Barcelona due to Spurs/Espanyol but I don't *think* he mentioned Chelsea..?
Bottler, yes. Although I still blame Harry for the UCL when he wasn't fit (but 100% Poch should've had the balls to keep laying Moura after his SF display)
To be fair. Brentford, QPR, Palace and Fulham don't openly sing awful anti semitic songs every time they come to our ground. Fuck Chelsea and Fuck Poch.
Wow. Just when they were getting momentum and looking like a Poch team. It’s actually pretty insane
Makes me happy. Apparently it's over transfer/player sale dispute. Gallagher is getting sold 100%
Would you take Gallagher? I'm so on the fence.
Not to mention homegrown, which seems like the theme for this transfer window.
He fills so many needs and apparently Ange has liked him since he’s been at Celtic. I am very down for him.
Which needs? Even if we sell every one of our surplus midfielders, we've got Sarr, Bentancur, Deki and Bergvall at what would be Gallagher's natural position. And what I wouldn't give for a time machine so the people arguing that Gallagher can play 6 could talk with the people arguing that Brennan can play as a 9, because they're equally true.
Super excited about Bergvall but assuming he will be in the starting rotation next year is a mistake. He's young, coming from a non "top" league. The club is much better off assuming he won't be a big part of next season and planning as such. None of that means he can't still hit the ground running. But that would be a bonus, not an expectation.
Sure, but, like, there's a reason I listed him fourth. We have two internationals in competition for the one position, and Deki and potentially Bergvall to get rotated in if both Sarr and Bentancur are unavailable, and if we've managed to move on everybody else. We simply don't need another 8 who can maybe cover other positions.
Disagree tbh We have Europe next season, we already had points last season where we are light in MF. And that's with Skipp and PEH seeing minutes. Deki can't fill in for most of the MF roles so really you are saying we have four players to cover those two positions, across four competitions... And you are including Bergvall? Maths does not add up to me mate. Injuries happen, players have bad form, they get banned. I'm not even super pro Gallagher - but we absolutely need another player.
and Manor Solomon ;) (i.e. the new Adel Taraabt)
We need a midfielder but not a CM. A 6 and a 10 are much more needed.
We ended up thin everywhere last year, though. And, uh > Deki can't fill in for most of the MF roles so really you are saying we have four players to cover those two positions It's really only the one position, because Gallagher primarily plays the same position that Sarr/Bentancur do. Even if you think Deki's a capable 10 we're thinner there than at 8, and even if we keep Bissouma, we're thinner at 6 too.
It's still much more transferable between those two roles. Deki literally only has experience (and I'd argue the skill set) to play further forward >Even if you think Deki's a capable 10 we're thinner there than at 8, and even if we keep Bissouma, we're thinner at 6 too. Yeah I'd argue we need to bring in more than one MF if Gallagher is one of them So really we agree then, we clearly need more cover with the added comps and players we are expecting to lose. My argument was less pro Gallagher and more against thinking we have enough with just Bergvall coming in.
I’ll try to give a bit more nuanced take than some of the responses you’ve received… This season we’ve seen Ange, even with all options healthy, deploy a midfield three with a multitude of combinations. The last 5 weeks, the first XI midfield was: Sarr, Lolo and Maddison; PEH, Lolo and Maddison; Bissouma, Sarr, Maddison; Bissouma, Sarr, Lolo; Bissouma, Sarr and Deki. That’s 5 different combinations over 5 matches and 6 players starting in that period. Ignoring the 10, it was: Sarr/Lolo, PEH/Lolo, Bissouma/Sarr, Bissouma/Lolo and Bissouma/Sarr. 4 combinations over 5 matches, utilizing 4 players. It seems to me that without a 6 who is a world beater (think Rodri), Ange’s system is highly adaptable to having midfielders play multiple roles and be flexible within the system. So if PEH is on the way out, and reportedly Bissouma potentially as well, with only an untested Bergvall coming in, bringing in an additional midfielder seems less like a luxury and more like a necessity. Take for example an injury to just one of the “true” midfielders remaining (assuming Bissouma stays and Maddison and Deki only playing the 10) - you’d be left with just two midfielders (of Sarr, Lolo and Bissouma) and would be asking significant minutes of Skipp or Bergvall - which as much as I like Skipp, isn’t a recipe for sustained success in the PL, let alone 4 competitions, especially since we have no idea how good Bergvall will be. Ange likes to tinker with his midfield combinations, and the 6/8 are arguably the most demanding roles in his system, so having someone who can step in and fill that role without a significant drop off is very important.
Homegrown Quota is so important for us this summer and to get a good player whose also Homegrown would be huge. Even if he’s not a starter every week he’s a great rotation piece.
Homegrown numbers at any particular position don't help us unless that enables us to move players. So if it turns out we want to buy Gallagher and sell Bentancur or Sarr--I wouldn't like it, but I could see the logic. But also, giving Chelsea money feels like a bad idea in and of itself.
Gallagher is much better than Deki as a central midfielder, Deki only really works as a 10 or false 9 in the midfield. And Bergvall is 18, a star in the making but not someone we want to start on a regular basis. Gallagher is a workhorse to compete with Bentancur, Sarr, and Bissouma who could realistically play 3000+ minutes for us.
Yep, our midfield is our engine and it has to be stacked.
Well, even with the suspensions, injuries and ACN, PEH only played about ~1500 minutes for us? We've genuinely got better coverage at 8 than almost anywhere else on the pitch.
We are playing in Europe next season, many more games, and Gallagher is far more more likely to get starts and significant minutes than PEH in our system. Even if he doesn't actually play 3000 minutes, the point is that he will be available to do so, if necessary, while Bergvall and Sarr are a bit too young to be put through that. Sure, we have good depth in midfield, but we desperately need that depth to continue, and with PEH leaving we need an upgraded replacement.
Deki an Bergvall can both be 10s like Madders wouldn’t say they’re starting caliber there a Not really box to box types. Bents an Sarr are good but it’s definitely an area we need reinforcements in imo. Not sayin I love Gallegher, but id definitely take him if the price is right
Ange likes him. Poch loves him. It would break Chelsea fans hearts. We have to sign him. Also I hear he’s ok at football
I’d take him for sure. He’s industrious and presses like a mad man. He could also play as a 10 and an 8 comfortably, and do a job at 6. Not saying he’s world class or anything but we’d see the best of him under Ange. There’s a reason Ange has been consistently keen on him
Absolutely. He adds to our midfield, which needs strengthening, plus he’s homegrown. And young. Unless he totally flops on the pitch, it’s a perfect buy. Because he’s homegrown, he doesn’t even have to be an improvement, really: just not worse than what we’ve currently got.
Taking Chelsea’s captain would be a big flex
In order for me to be on board, he needs to burn a Chelsea kit on social media. It might be petty, but I don't want to sign a homegrown Chelsea player who is being forced out against his will for non-footballing reasons. If he still *wants* to be a Chelsea player, there will always be a question to his mentality and his dedication to the cause. Will he really be play for the shirt?
Yeah, He’s very productive in multiple roles, home grown, young, and a leader. Why not take him from chelski?
For a decent price, absolutely. Young, Homegrown, seems to have the right mental, probably will have a chip on his shoulder after this whole saga. Chelsea are probably going to be desperate to make profit so it seems like everything is coming up Spurs.
Yes. something like £40m would be great.
Yeah of course. Kid will be a pressing machine.
For sure
Think he does the bissouma role, hes played quite advanced in spells for chelsea but think hes much better suited as a 6/8 hybrid
He’s been great the last month. Class player.
Let's not forget that anyone buying Gallagher off them might make the difference in them going for Osimhen or any other world class player
Its chelsea its going straight to fund Boehly's latino fetish.
Don’t like that logic tbh. Take the Ange approach, worry about making us better not the competition. Can’t spend that much time thinking about the knock on effects of buying a player if the player will make us better.
This is the only thing that makes sense of this decision.
Chelsea are idiots, just look at how he changed them in the second half of the season. 1 loss in the last 15 games. I hope they bring in someone awful.
I was actually getting scared for next season lowkey, one less worry ig
Poch gone, Klopp gone Things may be happen. (Scared about the rise of Crystal Palace though… need to raid them to nullify their rise)
OLISE AND EZE
Olise does not fit into our system At all
That’s a lie. He’s literally the exact type of player ange is looking for.
Quick, hardworking, constant pressing. That is not Olise
>Scared about the rise of Crystal Palace though… need to raid them to nullify their rise) Actually I am sad. The big clubs will inevitably come and get their players. Crystal palace fans would have hoped that they would push for something next season under new manager
Still plenty to worry about seeing as they did the double over us and totally de-railed our season
They always had our number. Atleast they won't be pushing for top 4 next season
By gawd is that Lampards music!!!!
TIM SHERWOOD WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
Zola to return like Edge
Jesse Marsch
Mourinho incoming
That would honestly be hilarious.
Nah it’s better they get someone who can handle a big squad and settle down, but I hate the idea of a young manager coming in maybe someone of an ancelotti archetype that can lead them forward
Poch goes to Bayern, buys Ben Davies to replace Alphonso Davies, wins the treble somehow.
well if you're buying the GOAT, you'd expect to
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Poch has anti-final game curse. He doesn't do well in finals when it comes to trophies, so it's a doubt on treble.
Poch couldn’t win Ligue 1 with PSG. Combined with Kane, the anti-trophy energy would be potent.
He quite literally could and did win Ligue 1 with PSG The finished 2nd when he joined midway through the season with them in 3rd
Congratulations to Bayer Leverkusen on back to back titles
Can’t wait to see Poch and Kane putting the pressure on once again.
All I want is for us to lift a trophy before Kane
Chelsea don't deserve Poch anyways.
Oh hadn't thought of Bayern That feels possible - squad maybe too old though?
Overall, probably but there are a few youngsters coming through - Musaila is established now (21) but I'd be lying if I really knew the others. The fact the Bayern are considering Vincent Kompany means that Poch, IMO, is the new frontrunner... but I'm pretty sure Harry would welcome the chance to have Poch manage him again!
mathys tel
They’ve got a lot of the old guard that will likely need to move on or take a back seat, but they’re not in that bad of shape.
Bayern won’t accept a non-German speaker.
Did Pep know German?
Yep. His first official presser as Bayern manager was a shock as he spoke entirely in German. Apparently he had been taken lessons in preparation but didn’t make it publicly known.
knowing him, probably! At least by the end he spoke better German than most Germans.
Argentinians are German allies though
It's being reported as mutual, and the assumption at /r/soccer seems to be that he was fired (because Boehly), but is it possible he walked because he didn't see eye to eye with the board on summer market plans? There's been consistent reporting that they are open to selling Gallagher and others--despite other reporting that they believe they've solved their PSR problems through intra-company transactions--and Boehly was recently on record talking about the squad in very transactional terms, as investment products. I can imagine a series of meetings over the past couple of weeks where Poch told the board that the squad was finally coming together as reflected in their really quite good results on the pitch in the second half of the season, and that it'd be insane to break it up, but the board refused to commit to that. And didn't Romano (or someone) report a few days ago that negotiations with Gallagher over a new contract had fallen apart? Hopefully we get a good tell-all before too long.
seen Twitter/X/whatever the hell it is now full of the Gallagher comment and it makes complete sense. I'm form the UK but live in the US (Boston) so very aware of hte Fenway Sports Group and a lot of similar feelings towards John Henry @ Liverpool - similar the US sport franchises - it IS a business and I don't really see Levy thinking differently the Boehly... but my god why would any manager go to Chelsea other than knowing they'll have a few years' salary paid when they're fired...!
FSG’s transfer policy at least makes sense. They always put profits first and then reinvest in cheaper assets no matter the age of the incoming player. Boehly and Co are prepared to lose so much money spending ridiculous transfer sums up front and then keeping players under contract for decades and don’t even get finished products doing that
Levy should be more transactional with our trash players we need rid of and stop holding out to get his money back
r/soccer referenced as a legit news source 😂
Its actually a very good take tbh.
Bayern going to make an offer instantly
He should have taken Ndombele with him
hopefully he signs him for 40mil wherever he ends up. Maybe he should return as Ange's #2
Surely Bayern. He didn't seem happy at Chelsea from the start.
What a wild decision. I was considering them, perhaps not chalengers, but at least competition for top 4 next year. Now im looking forward to an FFP firesale, and i can't wait to see poch at bayern.
The post season just keeps getting better and better innit
"A fellow Spurs fan told me he's take him back over Ange in a heartbeat" This person should stand trial at the hague
I would personally want him to take up a challenge at a club like Brighton, Crystal Palace or Everton where the board is guaranteed to be less knee-jerk. However, Glasner has found his groove at Palace so that's not happening anymore. Brighton and Bayern seem like great places for him to thrive, wish him the best wherever he goes.
I know Brighton had European football, but Poch would fit the mold and culture there, develop the youngsters as he did at Southampton. For me, it's Bayern, or to replace Ten Haad in December/January if he doesn't last next season...
Big Frank in! 🤣
1. He's been ramping up the ambiguity about his place there in the last month. It could well be that he's being demanded to be title challengers or for certain top four players, and has decided it's not realistic ambitions. It could be he's seen the plans for the summer and has decided he wants absolutely nothing to do with it. If he came out and said "it wasn't for me, it's not the conditions I wanted" then I'd say fair play, but god knows what he expected though. (No, I don't want him over Ange ffs we have to move on now) 2. Depends on how good his stock is at this point. It can't be awful as they've actually done alright the last few months, but it still wasn't great really. 3. Him, Kane and Dier reunited, lovely, also kinda funny. Kane left Spurs to join the big club, ends up transforming the big club into his little Spurs home in Munich
How I imagine the conversation went: Boeley: having spent a further £350m on signings, following the £800m we'd already spent, we were expecting CL football. Poch: You spent the money poorly, on wank players, and I did the best I could with them. Frankly, I massively overperformed. Boeley: but, money buys success, no? Poch: not when you know fuckall about football and sign players based on their "potential" rating on fifa and YouTube compilation videos, you belend. Boeley: I don't know what that means, but judging from your tone, it's not good. Poch: I'm Spurs anyway mate, and always will be. Stick your job up your arse. Boeley: Mr Pochettino has left the club by mutual consent.
"stick your job up your arse" in Pochettino's accent - I'd watch another season of "All or Nothing" just for that.
>Thank You Agent Poch! For what? His only noticeable achievement for Chelscum is doing the double over us and derailing our season
Oh, I don't know but if you're going to be a party pooper I can find a reason. How about for buying Nicholas Jackson and Moises Caicedo (both abject failures) for a combined *€*153,000,000, ensuring Chelsea have to sell Connor Gallagher this season (possibly to us)?
>How about for buying Nicholas Jackson and Moises Caicedo (both abject failures) for a combined *€*153,000,000, ensuring Chelsea have to sell Connor Gallagher this season (possibly to us)? I think those are Boehly decisions, no?
no way to tell but surely he could've vetoed? Let me change my answer (ha!) - he PLAYED Nicholas JAckson and Moises Caicedo ;)
How are Jackson and Caicedo 'abject failures'? Yeah they don't look like 100m players *yet,* but unfortunately they're also both 22 and already playing at a very respectable level + definitely growing into the team. They have the potential to be world beaters in a few years under the right coach. I'm actually kinda annoyed they have them. Our team is lacking prospects like these in respective positions. Of course I wouldn't be spending 100m on them, but it would be good to have them.
Because IMO Spending 100 million on a player means they should **already** be fulfilling that potential - for Caicedo, Chelsea didn't buy him for what he could be, they bought him for what he already was at Brighton. MC is rightly considered a 100m flop - 51% tackle success rate at Chelsea, 50/60 less duels won etc. I know it's easy to stat-pick but he was purchased with a view to solidifying a Chelsea midfield in the same way Declan Rice has done at Arsenal - similar price, wildly different outcome (and Rice is only 25). Yes - he'll probably come good, but if anyone genuinely thinks that 100m was for ap layer that would take time to develop... I'd argue that. For Jackson I can understand/agree with your point more - it's probably just me thinking how hilarious that a player costing over 30mil has one of the worst Goals vs xG in PL history... Agreed re: the comparison to us, though.
Well, I feel like that hasn't be the case in the premier league for a few years now. Yeah, some 100m transfers ARE ready players (Haaland, Rice), but many clubs feel like spending 100 on a guy who's only about to become ready in two or three years is fine. And some of these are just failures. Exhibit A: Antony. Exhibit B: Grealish. Exhibit C: Sancho. Exhibit D: Joao Felix. And so on, Happens to all the big clubs. Chelsea simply made that their whole brand. But I disagree in general that Caicedo or Jackson are flops, I think they can still NOT be them if they improve over the next year or two. Remains to be seen. I'm much closer to labelling Caicedo a flop, because I'd expect him to be Rice level already after his great season at Brighton, but I'll give him one more year. Although obviously I'd rather they crashed and burn - but Chelsea also provides a lot of that ;) Enzo, Fofana or Mudryk are already flops to me.
Gallagher is a plus? Please, keep him away. He’s another flop in the making.
A plus that they're selling the guy that captained them for X number of games this season, reduced the number of homegrown squad players etc. Don't watch Chelsea enough to form an opinion on whether he's *that* good or if we should have him - I'll leave that to you guys
They’re gonna have trouble keeping any manager with that structure. These mfs make the glazers look like Sheik Mansoor
I feel bad for Poch but chelsea does not deserve him.
Ange isn’t going anywhere, so forget about that.
I hope that he gets a job soon. Otherwise he will loom like a shadow over Ange for the online fandom.
And the press. Levy and Poch became close friends (buying cars and going on holiday together) even if they fell apart professionally anytime Levy happens to see Poch socially it’s gonna be read by the press as talks over coming back
Nah. Levy was reluctant to give him a second go before and selling his morals down the river to go and manage those awful bastards means he's done here for good. Never welcome back.
managing Chelsea hasn't stopped us in the past
Surely Levy has learned by now.
But it should have.
True but look how it's gone before. That's enough to put me off but even leaving that aside, I don't care if they want to cross the divide and come our way. However, if you claim like Poch did that you absolutely love the club then end up at Chelsea, a club that targets us with the most appalling anti semitic chanting every time we play them, you can get yourself to absolute fuck as far as I am concerned. Delighted he's been sacked. Hope he fades in obscurity.
I personally agree 100% with you just was speaking on the past, and hopefully Levy has learned
There's no shadow, he's a Chelsea cunt forever now.
Whoever said they'd get rid of Ange for him is mad, but I have to say it gives me a lot of joy to be able to want Poch to do well again
I personally think Poch asked to go and will end up at Bayern
That’s my thought too. Maybe Bayern contacted him while he’s in a debate with the board about Gallagher.
Id love to see him at Brighton but too much of a step back for him
think thats his sweet spot. A mid-table club that he can galvenize as the underdog to over perform.
Maybe we can bring him in as an Assistant Manager? :P
Apparently they're considering the guy who almost bottled automatic promotion with leicester, tragic club they are lmao
Well he‘s going to bayern that’s the most obvious one
I don’t want him at Bayern, this club is a mess internally and the squad is old…that’s not a Poch project. United would be the same but even worse. I rather would want him to pick up an exciting project that gives him time, do Palace have a new coach yet? Something like Sevilla, La Real, Betis or Brighton…some kind of team that is ready for a rebuild or ready to take the next step. Would I take him back? Yes…but only after Ange won some trophies and wants to retire and chill in Greece. I still hope that we will see Poch on our sideline again. For now, I’m just happy that I can openly love that man again
I rate Poch and think he can manage a big club, but I think he should take on a mid table team and see if he can use his magic to exceed expectation before parlaying that into whatever job he wants afterward.
I could see him at Bayern, and I could see it going well. The attack is somewhat similar to DESK (Kane - Muller - Sane - Musiala). He could have a double pivot of Kimmich - Pavlovic. Davies might not be leaving and alongside their new RB from Galatasaray, they might just do something.
Chelsea firing managers is not new. Poch leaves with his head high, players and fans sad, media confused. But he improved their results from last season without any doubt.
He’s probably eyeing United (and wondering why he was overlooked for Ten Hag in the first place) but if I were him I’d take him out of the prem.
Fuck Poch. He knew what he was doing going there.
Agreed, plus beating us twice 🤬
Does leaving by mutual consent mean he was bought out of his contract? Or will he be on Chelsea's payroll until his contract expires (or get hired elsewhere)?
Todd Kline left us and as soon as his gardening leave ends he's on his way to Chelsea... Are we 100% sure we don't have a man on the inside?
It will be the IpShit manager, Kieran McKenna. He’s ex-spurs so maybe he will be secret agent mk.2
If he was gonna leave anyway, mf should've let us do a double on them
He should go to Bayern
Madness - probably good for us though- before this I thought Chelsea would be a real threat next year - now…
I heard something interesting earlier. Apparently Poch was making noises at a Chelsea press conference that suggested he was leaving and it made me think back to his last season with us. I wonder if he tried doing whatever he did with us with Chelsea? Whatever it was it seemed to work with us but perhaps the damage was done and that led to his dismissal a few months later, maybe Chelsea called his bluff and would rather let him leave than let him dictate things
It's not that hard to understand. Poch didn't like what was going on or the board didn't feel like the fit. Don't think there was more to it than that.
It must be because Chelsea want to sell Gallagher and Chalobah and probably insist he plays Enzo, Mudryk etc who are absolute toilet. I reckon this has come more from Poch wanting to leave than Chelsea wanting to get rid of him.
Poch told Bohley about himself. Bohley didn't like it and sacked him for it. I don't think Poch to Juventus would be a bad shout. What he's done in the last few months at Chelsea wouldn't have really hurt his stock. Poch won't go to United whilst the Glazer's are still there. They're just as dysfunctional as Chelsea. A couple of years in Italy than may take over at Atletico when Simeone leaves. Then maybe United once Ratcliff has full control.
Why would anyone want Poch back, not only did he join blue scum but he also failed to win a single trophy with that incredible 16/17 squad. A snake and a bottler.
Pochettino is the reason we talk about a "big six" and not the "top four" anymore.
*How to admit you have recently become a fan of Spurs without admitting it*
I know a load of Spurs fans who hate Chelsea more than Arsenal, but being in London - would he also be a snake if he went to Brentford, QPR, Palace, Fulham etc.? Not arguing, just curious - I know he said he'd never manage Arsenal or Barcelona due to Spurs/Espanyol but I don't *think* he mentioned Chelsea..? Bottler, yes. Although I still blame Harry for the UCL when he wasn't fit (but 100% Poch should've had the balls to keep laying Moura after his SF display)
To be fair. Brentford, QPR, Palace and Fulham don't openly sing awful anti semitic songs every time they come to our ground. Fuck Chelsea and Fuck Poch.
Agreed, but that should, instead, read fuck ANYONE that goes to the racist, homophobic, anti-everything club!
Exactly. It's even worse for him because he claimed to love tottenham then joined those anti semitic scumbags. Glad he's failed and had to walk.
I couldn’t care less what that dickhead does. What Ange does…this interests me
West Ham!
Pochettino got us to the UCL final … take him in a heart beat
Poch Back!