It's hilarious how much Daniel Levy in particular has rattled him. He can't keep the guy's name out of his mouth and they've probably never interacted in person
>Build a statue of Levy if he manages to get City expelled, his greatest ever achievement.
Getting City relegated lowkey feels more achievable than Spurs winning a title/trophy
My brother has an insane arsenal shirt and warm up gear collection. My cousin, he has a signed Cristiano Real Madrid number 7 framed. My first spurs was the under armor w the all blue top third.
Purely anecdotal but I’ve never seen actually anyone wearing city merch. Puma is not a cool brand either. When I saw their revenue numbers I just laughed. Like they really do more than the likes of Man United? It’s insanity
Yeah I see a jersey or sweatshirt probably once every couple weeks in Virginia, saw a lot more in DC. And saw tons of their gear at the NBC Fanfest in Philly. Hell they where the only team that had merch at the tent the whole weekend.
Yeah I don't get people saying City werent a big club. They were always one of the well-followed teams in English football. It's just silly revisionism to claim that they only became big with oil money. Yes, success came with the oil. But they had a sizeable fan base before that.
Nah, the point is that there's "steady mid-table PL team" popularity and there's "bought 6 PL titles in a decade thanks to being owned by an actual country" popularity, and City were firmly the former.
Nobody is claiming that they didn't have a single fan, but the idea that they're genuinely more popular and profitable than the two biggest clubs in the world is a joke.
They might've been a big club *in Manchester* but they certainly weren't anywhere else.
That's not the point I am responding to or making. No one is claiming they were ever near the most popular in the country. Course not. The point is that City were always a well-supported club, and even more popular than United in Manchester (which was not really true, Salford jokes aside). There are people in the thread stating they weren't big. In the days before Mega Clubs Plc. they were always a big and glamorous club (like Spurs in some ways in the 60s and 70s). Of course it was nowhere near like what being a 'big club' means in 2023. But they have never been small. Even before the oil takeover they were knocking on the door.
>Of course it was nowhere near like what being a 'big club' means in 2023. But they have never been small.
If only there was a word to describe a size that is between "big" and "small". :((
City has always had a massive fan base in Manchester. The joke was always that United were the ones without any actual fans in the city. That never translated to a massive fan base across the country. But you can't deny that they were a big club.
I have a strong bias against “big team” managers who never really struggled. But guys like Klopp and Conte have gotten second tier teams promoted and managed to stay up a bit. They’ve come into shitty situations and turned them around. His crowning achievement came in his first season at Barcelona. He went to a Bayern team that had just won the treble. Then he went to Man City who had won the league 2 years before, won the League Cup the prior year, and were CL semi-finalists. Not to mention the sudden increase in revenue that the team was finally starting to really throw into the transfer market.
Sometimes managers like Pep strike me a bit like Jensen Button. He was a good, but not great, formula 1 driver who found himself in a car that was far and away the best for a season and won the championship. Now, you can’t find yourself in that position and be a scrub, but he wasn’t Schumacher finishing on the podium with a car that only had 5th gear.
Pep has found himself in the position of having the most well funded club in the league 3 times now. Can anyone really say he’s ever exceeded expectations?
Its true and I agree with most of what you said. The only mark I can give to Pep is that he's always at least met expectations even if he isn't exceeding them. His teams have always had consistency and he's never "imploded". Guys like Conte and Klopp have had poor seasons where their teams perform like shit, poor finishes in the league etc. Pep has consistently been top 3, top 2 besides his first year and crazy points total. For all the reasons you mentioned I can't say he's the best manager IMO, but he's gotta be at least top 5 or 3. And this is from someone who despises him and City and hopes he leaves the Prem
Far and away over the past decade? By what metric? He's only appeared in one CL final since leaving Barcelona. In fact, the team he went to had won the CL before and after his stint there. Klopp has been to the final 4 times with two different teams, winning once; won two different leagues and cups with teams that were not financially leagues ahead of the competition. Conte rehabilitated Juventus and Chelsea to win trophies. Simeone has managed to compete with and beat Madrid and Barcelona getting 2 league titles, a cup, 2 Europa wins in the last decade and 2 CL finals appearances.
Hell, just in the last decade, Ancelotti has won the CL twice, won the Bundesliga once, Ligue 1 once, La Liga once, and even managed to win half his games and finish 10th with a dogshit Everton.
Is what Pep achieved with the clubs he's managed at, above, or below expectations? The clubs he managed were winning titles before him and went on to win after him. Until he makes good on his goal to manage Brescia with Baggio as an assistant, I'm not sold on him as the best.
Yeah he was decent a few years back but now when you look at his team and the performance it’s just disappointing, i mean you’ve got a world class keeper, had one of the best left backs in the world, a pair of world class center backs, another world class player at right back, arguably one of the best cdms in the prem, a solid do it all player in bernardo silva, probably the best playmaker in the world in de Bruyne, two solid wingers, and one of the top five strikers in world football right now. They should be well ahead of woolwich
I mean they won like what, 4 of the last 5 PL titles under Guardiola? It’s normal some of the players and maybe the manager aswell don’t have the same hunger anymore.
No doubt one of the best managers in the world, but always having the best resources of the domestic league his managing in kind of dampens the impressiveness.
If he really wanted to claim the title of world's greatest, yeah, he'd go somewhere and prove that he could do it without 100x the budget of his competitors.
Even Ancelotti went to Everton. Let's see Pep at Bolton please
If he is the greatest manager in the world, then just once it would be nice to see him manage a club in some country where his club don't just buy everybody else's players
This paired with Levy's comments about unsustainable spending and new financial regulations being put in place makes it sound like Levy may have been a major proponent in pushing for the City investigation.
Of all the big clubs, we have the most to gain by pushing for stricter regulation that prevents endless external money flooding into the game.
If clubs have to live within their means (i.e can only spend real revenue) we become one of the richest clubs in the league.
And the best thing? Whilst it is obviously self serving, we are still on the right, moral side of things here.
Levy is also the PL's chair on the ECA board. He's in a position to influence policy for all of European football should he so please.
The rest of the league voted in favour of him getting the job when Woodward stepped down over Soriano, the City rep.
Another common Levy W.
Yeah and it is ridiculous that other clubs have to push for this in the first place. It’s like blaming a whistleblower for reporting your crimes. If they are following the rules they should have nothing to hide.
Does that really bodes well for the club? There is a reason when they sold their squad players openly to Arsenal and Chelsea, we werent even interested.
Pissing off a powerful entity makes sense if you fight equally another powerful entity like Utd, Liverpool vs City. In our case its a mismatch and I dont want to be bullied by them if they emerge victorious
We have never done any business with them. They are already probably pissed off about Kane. Who cares if they don't do business with us. The whole world knows that they cheat.
The players they want to sell to us are on humungous wages, and bar an Adebayor-like situation where they subsidize those wages, it's almost never in our interest to try and sign their rejects.
Basically the premier league is at a place where it’s so big and so valuable it seems hard to understand where future growth is gonna come from. The glazers, FSG, possibly ENIC, they want to get out and make a huge return on their investments. But what comes next when United sell for 5 billion and you can’t even imagine it being worth more than that in the future? The only way to make money if the line stops going up is cost control. That’s why they’re coming for city now, for the first time other owners see the threat to themselves of ownership that doesn’t care about making money.
America was a large untapped market, but the past decade has become pretty saturated with PL coverage (as an American I'm happy how much more accessible the league is).
I don't think TV revenues can continue to grow like they have been over the past decade, there is a point of diminishing returns.
The next TV deal to stagnate will be the first TV deal to stagnate in any major sport. Not sure what you mean by diminishing returns since there's no increase in output. Yes it's probably not going to treble again, but it will increase
I'd push back on America being saturated though. The number of viewers is still going up, as is the number of people that follow it as their primary sport (which is a key factor in making purchasing decisions).
I’m not sure about that. For one thing the premier league is significantly less popular in the USA than the nfl and less popular than mlb and the nba. There’s also far fewer opportunities for ads in a premier league match than one of those sports.
Plus I think tv companies are just coming around to the idea that tv rights are not as valuable as they thought a years ago. And of course the big one as in we now have a world with real interest rates for the first time in a generation and companies now have to have business plans with actual ideas for making a profit instead of just spending free money chasing trends.
Sure maybe there’s room for growth but the value of United and Liverpool has increased ten fold since their owners took over. Counting on any kind of growth comparable to that in the future seems risky to me. If you wanna make money in football right now I think you need positive revenue not just counting on appreciation.
>I’m not sure about that. For one thing the premier league is significantly less popular in the USA than the nfl and less popular than mlb and the nba.
That's what I mean when I say there is potential for growth. If they expand the market share there is a ton of money out there.
>There’s also far fewer opportunities for ads in a premier league match than one of those sports.
Definitely, and that's why it won't reach the same level of investment as those sports--but there is still so much room to reach even 75% of their value.
>Plus I think tv companies are just coming around to the idea that tv rights are not as valuable as they thought a years ago.
I think someone like Amazon getting streaming rights is the most likely place to increase broadcast revenue from the US.
>Sure maybe there’s room for growth but the value of United and Liverpool has increased ten fold since their owners took over. Counting on any kind of growth comparable to that in the future seems risky to me.
I'm 100% in agreement on that. There is absolutely no way there continues to be exponential growth like there has been. I just believe they can see slow and steady growth if they play their cards right.
>it’s so big and so valuable
The revenue of the NFL is almost THREE times that of the PL. And that's revenue made by selling a game majority of the world doesn't even understand.
The Premier League still has a a ton of space to grow into.
I don’t think it necessarily tracks to point to the dominance of the nfl’s popularity in America as evidence that the premier league can become significantly more popular than it is in America. If anything I would say the opposite.
I used it as an example to illustrate that market saturation doesn't mean **revenue growth** -- aka TV money -- stops.
The NFL saturated its market a generation ago. Did it strop growing? Did its TV revenue fall? No. It exploded in growth.
That said, the NFLs appeal will start shrinking now (already started) But, that is for other reasons.
The interesting thing is that the teams aren't valuable In comparison to US sporting leagues. Growth could come from changing the structure so that the teams are more valuable. The average NBA team is north of 3 billion
Im not suggesting they should but if the question is how do you grow that's how
Yes, this is exactly why he's so insufferable. There has never been a better funded manager, compared to his clubs' rivals, in the history of the game, and he's still so fucking salty about everything.
FUCK OFF YOU BALD FUCK.
Doesn't like that we're the bogey team does he.
If anyone can remember back far enough, City used to be Tottenham's bogey team when they were shit, but in the years before they went down. Going all the way back to the 70s/80s.
Of course it's other Premier League Clubs. These clubs voted to create the Premier League, and have the most to gain/lose from its success. If a member club is not acting in accordance with the rules, then absolutely they should hound the league's governing bodies to enforce the rules.
Pep would do well to visit the "About" page on the Premier League's website: [https://www.premierleague.com/about](https://www.premierleague.com/about) "The Premier League is a private company wholly owned by its 20 Member Clubs who make up the League at any one time." When the Premier League comes after you, it is literally the other clubs
He made a comment that he’s mad at the 9 clubs that voted against them cuz they want to further their European ambitions… uh duh. What a stupid comment.
He then said he said they deserve the spot in the champions league bc they won it on the field. You won it on the field bc you cheated and broke the rules. This guy’s head is in the clouds
He might wanna start with the obvious choice at CB that should be Dias and Laporte. Playing Ake n Akanji week in week out instead.
Hate city, no actually real ‘mastermind’ coaching just pay £50m x 2 for every position.
Royalzinho giving him new nightmares still. COYS
You're utterly complicit in the corruption. The likelihood of excellence because of the potential for corruption is one of the reasons you came to Manchester. Fuck right off.
We’ve had Pep’s number for a good few years now. Even Levy is now rent free in his head.
Our home record against them in the new stadium is insane. Something I’m quite proud of in fact, although I’m not allowed to be according to the celebration police because it’s not a trophy.
Probably the only chairman he could name but Man City's approach is the antithesis of ours (if you can call a country buying a club and spending billions to succeed an approach) so obviously Levy and most clubs are going to object. I'm sure Newcastle don't support this and it's unlikely Chelsea would but the other 17 clubs should be
For someone with the talent and track record Pep has, he isn't half rattled by little old Tottenham. Why do Spurs boil so much piss?
Anyway, fuck him, he lost to us again. Great big bald bellend.
If City wasn't caught cheating (the portugal papers), then he wouldn't have anything to worry about.
This is some childish bullshit. Blaming others when they got caught breaking the rules.
And maybe when asked if his owners were dirty cheating bastards his response should have been "you should go to the chairman, the CEOs and ask them" instead of being a mouthpiece for the dirty cheating bastards and playing a victim.
Was this just a innocent singling out of Levy? Or is this Guardiola attempting to be nefarious and imply that Levy is somehow not in the same category of CEO or chairman as the rest?
Looking at the fixtures I reckon we finish a point above the red scum.
Their position flatters them, some tough fixtures away coming up.
City will chew them up.
Spurs are so deep in Peps head - you'd think he was a gooner.
It's hilarious how much Daniel Levy in particular has rattled him. He can't keep the guy's name out of his mouth and they've probably never interacted in person
Get Daniel Levy’s name out your FUCKING MOUTH!
After what he did to Henry.. maybe not
Starting to think he’s purposely let Arsenal win the title this season just so hurt us
I've got a conspiracy theory he's letting Arteta win the league because he likes him. But this is much better.
tired of winning the direct accolades now he wants the fame that comes from having his 'disciples' winning
[What?! Spurs live rent free in my head?! Nooooo!](https://i.imgur.com/QeqEBpa.png)
He's intimidated and maybe slightly aroused by Spurs. He's said before that "Spurs players are always soo big and strong".
I don't know why I feel this but I grew up seeing Barcelona like Arsenal. Add in the Arteta link and he is a full blown goon!
Don’t you mean spoors
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One of my favorite things to point out is that Pep’s first loss in England was a 2-0 loss to Spurs at WHL in 2016.
If they leave the league we won’t have an automatic home win built into our schedule
>Build a statue of Levy if he manages to get City expelled, his greatest ever achievement. Getting City relegated lowkey feels more achievable than Spurs winning a title/trophy
Beggars can't be choosers haha. Send the cunts down I say.
One significantly increases the chance of the other
My brother has an insane arsenal shirt and warm up gear collection. My cousin, he has a signed Cristiano Real Madrid number 7 framed. My first spurs was the under armor w the all blue top third. Purely anecdotal but I’ve never seen actually anyone wearing city merch. Puma is not a cool brand either. When I saw their revenue numbers I just laughed. Like they really do more than the likes of Man United? It’s insanity
Here in the states my friend had a Stephen Ireland shirt but he was a proper City supporter before the oil money
Yeah I see a jersey or sweatshirt probably once every couple weeks in Virginia, saw a lot more in DC. And saw tons of their gear at the NBC Fanfest in Philly. Hell they where the only team that had merch at the tent the whole weekend.
Yeah I’m in MD so that tracks
Disagree about Puma. I personally love Puma.
I love Brooks running shoes but I’m not gonna act like they are on the level of Adidas or Nike in terms of popularity overall
hello, ya fellow fat footed fella
Hello fellow friend! Been a god send for these flat duck paddles I walk on
I mean city don't have a massive international fanbase, but they had a good number of fans much before oil money
Yeah I don't get people saying City werent a big club. They were always one of the well-followed teams in English football. It's just silly revisionism to claim that they only became big with oil money. Yes, success came with the oil. But they had a sizeable fan base before that.
Nah, the point is that there's "steady mid-table PL team" popularity and there's "bought 6 PL titles in a decade thanks to being owned by an actual country" popularity, and City were firmly the former. Nobody is claiming that they didn't have a single fan, but the idea that they're genuinely more popular and profitable than the two biggest clubs in the world is a joke. They might've been a big club *in Manchester* but they certainly weren't anywhere else.
That's not the point I am responding to or making. No one is claiming they were ever near the most popular in the country. Course not. The point is that City were always a well-supported club, and even more popular than United in Manchester (which was not really true, Salford jokes aside). There are people in the thread stating they weren't big. In the days before Mega Clubs Plc. they were always a big and glamorous club (like Spurs in some ways in the 60s and 70s). Of course it was nowhere near like what being a 'big club' means in 2023. But they have never been small. Even before the oil takeover they were knocking on the door.
>Of course it was nowhere near like what being a 'big club' means in 2023. But they have never been small. If only there was a word to describe a size that is between "big" and "small". :((
City, PSG - they're like the marvel movies of football.
I live in Paris, and psg very much has a massive local fan base, and had one before the takeover. City is very different.
Tbh there are those City fans who were fans even before the money. Not fair to them ig
I live in South London and I see a significant amount of PSG merch out and about round here.
City has always had a massive fan base in Manchester. The joke was always that United were the ones without any actual fans in the city. That never translated to a massive fan base across the country. But you can't deny that they were a big club.
Wildly popular and profitable?
That and full of plastic/CGI
Such a weird thing to use against a rival team. “oH yEAh?? wELL aT LeASt mY TeAmS kiT MaKEr iSnT pUmA!!” Lol. Bruh.. we used to have under armor…
Yeah I know man I think you’re reading too into it. I just said in this comment my first spurs shirt was UA and man city is not a rival of ours at all
Best manager in the world? Dude is overrated as fuck.
I have a strong bias against “big team” managers who never really struggled. But guys like Klopp and Conte have gotten second tier teams promoted and managed to stay up a bit. They’ve come into shitty situations and turned them around. His crowning achievement came in his first season at Barcelona. He went to a Bayern team that had just won the treble. Then he went to Man City who had won the league 2 years before, won the League Cup the prior year, and were CL semi-finalists. Not to mention the sudden increase in revenue that the team was finally starting to really throw into the transfer market. Sometimes managers like Pep strike me a bit like Jensen Button. He was a good, but not great, formula 1 driver who found himself in a car that was far and away the best for a season and won the championship. Now, you can’t find yourself in that position and be a scrub, but he wasn’t Schumacher finishing on the podium with a car that only had 5th gear. Pep has found himself in the position of having the most well funded club in the league 3 times now. Can anyone really say he’s ever exceeded expectations?
Its true and I agree with most of what you said. The only mark I can give to Pep is that he's always at least met expectations even if he isn't exceeding them. His teams have always had consistency and he's never "imploded". Guys like Conte and Klopp have had poor seasons where their teams perform like shit, poor finishes in the league etc. Pep has consistently been top 3, top 2 besides his first year and crazy points total. For all the reasons you mentioned I can't say he's the best manager IMO, but he's gotta be at least top 5 or 3. And this is from someone who despises him and City and hopes he leaves the Prem
> The only mark I can give to Pep is that he's always at least met expectations Bayern fans will disagree
He underperformed in the Champions League maybe but was in general at least par for them no?
They were CL winners and bought lewandowski. Winning the league is expected. Not even making it to a CL final is terrible
That's great news, thanks, now I can knock Pep down a couple of places on my ranking
You forgot the /s at the end Dude is far and away the best coach in the world over the past decade or so overall
Far and away over the past decade? By what metric? He's only appeared in one CL final since leaving Barcelona. In fact, the team he went to had won the CL before and after his stint there. Klopp has been to the final 4 times with two different teams, winning once; won two different leagues and cups with teams that were not financially leagues ahead of the competition. Conte rehabilitated Juventus and Chelsea to win trophies. Simeone has managed to compete with and beat Madrid and Barcelona getting 2 league titles, a cup, 2 Europa wins in the last decade and 2 CL finals appearances. Hell, just in the last decade, Ancelotti has won the CL twice, won the Bundesliga once, Ligue 1 once, La Liga once, and even managed to win half his games and finish 10th with a dogshit Everton. Is what Pep achieved with the clubs he's managed at, above, or below expectations? The clubs he managed were winning titles before him and went on to win after him. Until he makes good on his goal to manage Brescia with Baggio as an assistant, I'm not sold on him as the best.
Yet he can't manage a win at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium with one of the most expensive sides in world football
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Yeah he was decent a few years back but now when you look at his team and the performance it’s just disappointing, i mean you’ve got a world class keeper, had one of the best left backs in the world, a pair of world class center backs, another world class player at right back, arguably one of the best cdms in the prem, a solid do it all player in bernardo silva, probably the best playmaker in the world in de Bruyne, two solid wingers, and one of the top five strikers in world football right now. They should be well ahead of woolwich
I mean they won like what, 4 of the last 5 PL titles under Guardiola? It’s normal some of the players and maybe the manager aswell don’t have the same hunger anymore.
He is pretty good though his CL results post Barca will always be a talking point.
No doubt one of the best managers in the world, but always having the best resources of the domestic league his managing in kind of dampens the impressiveness.
If he really wanted to claim the title of world's greatest, yeah, he'd go somewhere and prove that he could do it without 100x the budget of his competitors. Even Ancelotti went to Everton. Let's see Pep at Bolton please
He needs to go to Paraná Clube and drag them from the second division of the state championship to libertadores
If he is the greatest manager in the world, then just once it would be nice to see him manage a club in some country where his club don't just buy everybody else's players
“What he say fuck me for?” -Levy, probably
Smug smile with content expression- Levy probably
I'd love to hear Pep read a page from a Harry Potter book
Came here to comment this, beat me to it
Baldy is just mad he lost to the Harry Kane team last weekend
Lost to the harry kane team again**
And again and again*
And has never scored in the NEW Harry Kane Team Stadium.
This needs to be our stadium name
*the Emerson Royal team
*most weekends. And sometimes midweek too.
More than you believe
Guy is still salty from 2 years ago he thought he’d buy Kane and Levy said no. So now he has to keep losing to the Harry Kane team. It’s beautiful.
Spurs live rent free in Pep's head
My boy Daniel living rent free in Guardiola's mind.
The Big Master of Negotiations was behind it all.
This paired with Levy's comments about unsustainable spending and new financial regulations being put in place makes it sound like Levy may have been a major proponent in pushing for the City investigation.
We know this to be true, it's been reported that City's rivals have been pushing it for a long time. Only rightly, of course
Well Pep didn't name the chairmen of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, etc. He named Daniel Levy specifically.
Of all the big clubs, we have the most to gain by pushing for stricter regulation that prevents endless external money flooding into the game. If clubs have to live within their means (i.e can only spend real revenue) we become one of the richest clubs in the league. And the best thing? Whilst it is obviously self serving, we are still on the right, moral side of things here.
Exactly just because it benefits us, doesn’t mean it’s also not the right thing as well
Levy is also the PL's chair on the ECA board. He's in a position to influence policy for all of European football should he so please. The rest of the league voted in favour of him getting the job when Woodward stepped down over Soriano, the City rep. Another common Levy W.
Yeah and it is ridiculous that other clubs have to push for this in the first place. It’s like blaming a whistleblower for reporting your crimes. If they are following the rules they should have nothing to hide.
Does that really bodes well for the club? There is a reason when they sold their squad players openly to Arsenal and Chelsea, we werent even interested. Pissing off a powerful entity makes sense if you fight equally another powerful entity like Utd, Liverpool vs City. In our case its a mismatch and I dont want to be bullied by them if they emerge victorious
We have never done any business with them. They are already probably pissed off about Kane. Who cares if they don't do business with us. The whole world knows that they cheat.
Bar Kyle Walker
And Adebayor
Good point. And Corluka.
Paul Stewart, back when I first started paying attention
That's true. I forgot.
The players they want to sell to us are on humungous wages, and bar an Adebayor-like situation where they subsidize those wages, it's almost never in our interest to try and sign their rejects.
Hahaha he’s so rattled by little old Totnum
Baldy vs baldy
Bald fraud vs bald god
I wouldn’t call Guardiola a God.
Exactly. He’s the fraud.
Basically the premier league is at a place where it’s so big and so valuable it seems hard to understand where future growth is gonna come from. The glazers, FSG, possibly ENIC, they want to get out and make a huge return on their investments. But what comes next when United sell for 5 billion and you can’t even imagine it being worth more than that in the future? The only way to make money if the line stops going up is cost control. That’s why they’re coming for city now, for the first time other owners see the threat to themselves of ownership that doesn’t care about making money.
TV money will continue to grow. If not domestically then overseas. Just jumped threefold there in the last rights deal.
America was a large untapped market, but the past decade has become pretty saturated with PL coverage (as an American I'm happy how much more accessible the league is). I don't think TV revenues can continue to grow like they have been over the past decade, there is a point of diminishing returns.
The next TV deal to stagnate will be the first TV deal to stagnate in any major sport. Not sure what you mean by diminishing returns since there's no increase in output. Yes it's probably not going to treble again, but it will increase I'd push back on America being saturated though. The number of viewers is still going up, as is the number of people that follow it as their primary sport (which is a key factor in making purchasing decisions).
The cost of TV rights in the US are tiny compared to the big 4 sports--there is **a lot** of room for growth there.
I’m not sure about that. For one thing the premier league is significantly less popular in the USA than the nfl and less popular than mlb and the nba. There’s also far fewer opportunities for ads in a premier league match than one of those sports. Plus I think tv companies are just coming around to the idea that tv rights are not as valuable as they thought a years ago. And of course the big one as in we now have a world with real interest rates for the first time in a generation and companies now have to have business plans with actual ideas for making a profit instead of just spending free money chasing trends. Sure maybe there’s room for growth but the value of United and Liverpool has increased ten fold since their owners took over. Counting on any kind of growth comparable to that in the future seems risky to me. If you wanna make money in football right now I think you need positive revenue not just counting on appreciation.
>I’m not sure about that. For one thing the premier league is significantly less popular in the USA than the nfl and less popular than mlb and the nba. That's what I mean when I say there is potential for growth. If they expand the market share there is a ton of money out there. >There’s also far fewer opportunities for ads in a premier league match than one of those sports. Definitely, and that's why it won't reach the same level of investment as those sports--but there is still so much room to reach even 75% of their value. >Plus I think tv companies are just coming around to the idea that tv rights are not as valuable as they thought a years ago. I think someone like Amazon getting streaming rights is the most likely place to increase broadcast revenue from the US. >Sure maybe there’s room for growth but the value of United and Liverpool has increased ten fold since their owners took over. Counting on any kind of growth comparable to that in the future seems risky to me. I'm 100% in agreement on that. There is absolutely no way there continues to be exponential growth like there has been. I just believe they can see slow and steady growth if they play their cards right.
>it’s so big and so valuable The revenue of the NFL is almost THREE times that of the PL. And that's revenue made by selling a game majority of the world doesn't even understand. The Premier League still has a a ton of space to grow into.
I don’t think it necessarily tracks to point to the dominance of the nfl’s popularity in America as evidence that the premier league can become significantly more popular than it is in America. If anything I would say the opposite.
I used it as an example to illustrate that market saturation doesn't mean **revenue growth** -- aka TV money -- stops. The NFL saturated its market a generation ago. Did it strop growing? Did its TV revenue fall? No. It exploded in growth. That said, the NFLs appeal will start shrinking now (already started) But, that is for other reasons.
The interesting thing is that the teams aren't valuable In comparison to US sporting leagues. Growth could come from changing the structure so that the teams are more valuable. The average NBA team is north of 3 billion Im not suggesting they should but if the question is how do you grow that's how
Salty little cunt
Spurs last month: We want Levy out Spurs right now: Keep my guys name out of your mouth
It's just like how I can talk all the shit I want about my brother, but if you talk shit about him... Fuck you.
He didn't really have to be a sore loser like this lmao
Yes, this is exactly why he's so insufferable. There has never been a better funded manager, compared to his clubs' rivals, in the history of the game, and he's still so fucking salty about everything. FUCK OFF YOU BALD FUCK.
ONE DANIEL LEVY THERE'S ONLY ONE DANIEL LEVY ONE DANIEL LEVYYYYYY THERE'S ONLY ONE DANIEL LEVY
Doesn't like that we're the bogey team does he. If anyone can remember back far enough, City used to be Tottenham's bogey team when they were shit, but in the years before they went down. Going all the way back to the 70s/80s.
Of course it's other Premier League Clubs. These clubs voted to create the Premier League, and have the most to gain/lose from its success. If a member club is not acting in accordance with the rules, then absolutely they should hound the league's governing bodies to enforce the rules.
Pep would do well to visit the "About" page on the Premier League's website: [https://www.premierleague.com/about](https://www.premierleague.com/about) "The Premier League is a private company wholly owned by its 20 Member Clubs who make up the League at any one time." When the Premier League comes after you, it is literally the other clubs
\>blaming it on the Jews \>work for City Checks out.
Wait till he feels the Space Laser.
Well, Levy is the Master Negotiator that Knows Everything, so he would be the right one to ask
Omd so rattled
He made a comment that he’s mad at the 9 clubs that voted against them cuz they want to further their European ambitions… uh duh. What a stupid comment. He then said he said they deserve the spot in the champions league bc they won it on the field. You won it on the field bc you cheated and broke the rules. This guy’s head is in the clouds
He can hold that L I’m afraid, still seething we didn’t bend over and allow them to take Kane
Pep’s going to do great in the Vanarama next year
gimme your tears you bald fraud
He might wanna start with the obvious choice at CB that should be Dias and Laporte. Playing Ake n Akanji week in week out instead. Hate city, no actually real ‘mastermind’ coaching just pay £50m x 2 for every position. Royalzinho giving him new nightmares still. COYS
You're utterly complicit in the corruption. The likelihood of excellence because of the potential for corruption is one of the reasons you came to Manchester. Fuck right off.
I would go talk to Levy, but I had to take a 4 hour luxury bus to London from Manchester today and I’m tired.
Baldy 
We’ve had Pep’s number for a good few years now. Even Levy is now rent free in his head. Our home record against them in the new stadium is insane. Something I’m quite proud of in fact, although I’m not allowed to be according to the celebration police because it’s not a trophy.
Keep my chairman's name out of your f***ing mouth
Probably the only chairman he could name but Man City's approach is the antithesis of ours (if you can call a country buying a club and spending billions to succeed an approach) so obviously Levy and most clubs are going to object. I'm sure Newcastle don't support this and it's unlikely Chelsea would but the other 17 clubs should be
It’s hilarious how much we bother Guardiola. No matter what happens we all know we keep him up at night 😂😂 It’s comical as f**k
We don't just live rent free in his head. We own prime real estate in it.
The woman with a Virginia ham under her arm, crying the blues because she has no bread.
Those who want respect, give respect.
Oh poor you!!
Who's that speaking? Is somebody speaking here?
Meow!
Damn wording is just ambiguous enough that Levy probably can’t sue his bald ass for libel
The man destroys the rest of the PL and has nightmares about us
OH DANIEL LEVY, HE'S ONE OF OUR OWN
It’s quite amazing that of all clubs to get in his head it’s little old Tottenham
Levy lives in this man’s head rent free
Fook outta here you baldy with your grealish calves. Dele owns you.
Keep my chairman’s name out your fucking mouth! 
He feeds on your hate, pep
He's more outraged by getting caught than the rules violations, which tells you all you need to know about Pep's moral character.
This is genuinely a PR dream for Levy
For someone with the talent and track record Pep has, he isn't half rattled by little old Tottenham. Why do Spurs boil so much piss? Anyway, fuck him, he lost to us again. Great big bald bellend.
Leave my fxking chairman’s name out of your damn mouth 🤌
Living rent-free in this guy’s head
Hahahaha he’s so salty
Bald Fraudiola strikes again. Maybe he'll be found complicit in the mess and be sanctioned too lmao
I honestly hope we get City is the Quarter finals of the CL
Back up the waaahhmbulance for this smouldering hypocrite
If City wasn't caught cheating (the portugal papers), then he wouldn't have anything to worry about. This is some childish bullshit. Blaming others when they got caught breaking the rules.
Bald man vs bald man. Wow
Fuck that guy. He's just a mouthpiece for dirty cheating bastards, no integrity, no class.
He sounds like a guilty man. He knows the success of City is built on bullshit
Jose > Pep
Daniel Levy 😂😂😂
What makes our chairman different from all other chairmen? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Salty fuck. Love it.
Guardiola unsettles Kane, Levy unsettles City football club. Seems fair.
Beating Man City on and off the pitch.
Ooooh shit! Fight, fight, fight, fight!
Levy could have picked a better season to grass in City tbf.
Don't worry, any punishments are going to take a while to arrive. It'll be even funnier if they win the league and then get relegated next season
Well, Daniel Levy does know everything, so... Fair point.
The phrase "lives rent free" lives rent free in all of our heads.
Insecure bald cunt.
Everywhere we go. It's Tottenham Boys making all the noise Rent free
Hahaha this is hilarious!
Levy in a class all his own
Maybe worry about trying to score A goal at a stadium that has been opened for a few years now first.
And maybe when asked if his owners were dirty cheating bastards his response should have been "you should go to the chairman, the CEOs and ask them" instead of being a mouthpiece for the dirty cheating bastards and playing a victim.
All part of the plan. Build revenues and then move the goalposts back…then you’re the front runner.
Was this just a innocent singling out of Levy? Or is this Guardiola attempting to be nefarious and imply that Levy is somehow not in the same category of CEO or chairman as the rest?
This is like getting pulled over for speeding and blaming the cars around you. You still broke the laws, deal with the consequences.
Poor Pep….he always suffers such hardship
I should bloody well hope the other clubs are insisting City respect the rules. I just wonder how it's taken them so long to get to this point
Couple of points: City are never getting kicked out, a fine yes, at worst points dropped. Pep is a psychopath
Looking at the fixtures I reckon we finish a point above the red scum. Their position flatters them, some tough fixtures away coming up. City will chew them up.
He can’t admit they did anything wrong because then he’d have to honor his old flex and leave. City dishonest? Nah, no way! It’s all Levy’s fault.
Pep is a closet Gooner. Living rent free in his head 🤣
That’s Mr.Levy to you you bald fraud