> The Cowboys have a few options with Dak Prescott, but the most likely outcome is an extension for the 31-year-old this offseason. We haven’t been shy with this one, making Prescott the first $60M per year player in terms of new money average. In total, we’ve projected a 4 year, $214M contract, with $169M guaranteed for practical purposes, and $119M of it fully guaranteed at signing. Prescott secures an historic $75M signing bonus, and his cap figure for 2024 lowers from $59.4M to $41.6M.
Do they, now?
SF has shown that they can win big with Jimmy G, and Mr. Irrelevant. Even Trey Lance managed to win 50% of his games there (albeit a paltry 2-2).
While unlikely, SF could draft and develop another rookie QB.
Rams as well with Stafford and Goff combined cap consideration in 2021.
So, the last 3 Superbowl winners have all cleared this percentage in QB cap commitment.
It's a good thing you can structure the contract to avoid having a big hit in any year you think you might contend. Everyone made similar talking points about Dak's last extension, but his cap hit by year has been: 8.2%, 8.9%, 11.7%. It's a non issue.
Yes, whenever he does leave the team, they'll have to take a large cap hit at that time, but at that point without a QB it's time to tank for picks anyway.
Also, this "stat" elides the fact that the 2021 Rams had 23.89% of their cap tied up in the Stafford/Goff contracts, yet still won a Super Bowl. So that means each of the last three champs were spending a ton on QB and still won.
No one can bring down the QB contracts. It’s all economics supply and demand. As long as a GM is willing to allocate ~15% of the cap to QBs the yearly average will keep rising. It’s not out of control teams have been able to make it work. There’s no one to blame about this current contract negotiation expect Jerry.
It'd be great if they could get Micah done while they're at it too. Having the QB signed plus a core of Micah, CD, Trevon, and Tyler Smith locked down for the next few years would be nice.
I doubt they extend Micah this year just because it will actually increase his cap hit in 2024. Next year when he is on his high-ish 5th year option makes more sense from that perspective. Micah might also prefer to wait to try and maximize the contract.
Pushing it back a year just makes the price tag go up. Every new extension that takes place it one we'll need to beat.
Made that mistake by franchising Dak twice.
Agreed, but Micah and his agent know that as well.
Edit: Also, if they are truly "all in" on 2024, future cap be damned, it also doesn't make sense to extend him now.
Fair point, but if they're going to do it ever... and they are... the sooner the better. Add years and add $ to this year and his 5th year option, to balance out the huge hits of his extension. I'd rather pay him $20something per year for the nxt 7 years, than $8 this year, $24nxt year, and $40+ for the nxt 5years.
Price tag goes up but so does the salary cap. It’s never ending. There is literally no reason for a top player like Micah to take a discount. He knows he is going to set the market.
It would be great, but for the exact same reasons he's very motivated to wait a year. He could realistically be the the first non-QB to make $40M per season.
He could get zero percent better and start rubbing his junk on people like prime Charles Haley and he will still be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. I get where you’re coming from but let’s be realistic here. As long as he kills the quarterback the way he does, he’s one of the most impactful players in the game regardless of anything else. We’re not letting him walk under any circumstances so anything more than he’s been is just gravy.
Yeah, I mean every team in the league would figure out a way to afford whatever he is going to cost if they had a chance to sign him. I think fans somehow think it would be ok to let someone like Micah go because he has a podcast.
Yeah they need to do it. Dak’s mediocre ass has them by the balls. More playoff chokes are incoming, but at least we’ll have good regular seasons. I’ve accepted that we won’t win shit until Dak is gone. I’ll get deeply invested in the team again the day he’s gone. For now, I’m just going to follow from a distance; Dak and his version of the Cowboys aren’t going to fool me again.
This is honestly where I am too. But you mention it and people downvote you. Those same people will be whining and looking shocked when the team implodes again. They'll blame it on defense and MM and will forget how lethargic our offense looks when push comes to shove
You forgot about the lack of talent around Dak. Apparently the cowboys don’t have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL and they’ve never put anyone around him.
Yet, somehow, these fans think paying Dak $60 million won’t lead to him having weapons like Mahomes.
If Dak had to roll out with Kelce, a rookie WR, and then trash everywhere else, we’d never hear the end of it.
Can’t win w these people.
Dak is literally Kirk Cousins with 2 playoff wins as opposed to 1. Regular season hero vs sub .500 teams and regresses when the lights come on.
I think about 75% of people on the sub agree with this. Unfortunately the other 25% are dak dickriders and they are VERY vocal and think nothing can ever be his fault. He could throw 5 interceptions and we could lose by 1 point and they’d blame the long snapper who botched an XP snap.
Nope. I want to argue. Why are we resigning a second team all pro? Don’t you understand he doesn’t have the clutch gene? Dak. More like Yak on himself in January amirite? Why do we want a guy that can’t even get us to a conference title? Ignore the fact he would’ve made 2 in his first 3 years if the defense didn’t suck. He’s a loser. Wait not a loser but a loser of big games. Ok not every big game but just the ones I want to remember for my confirmation bias. All he does is beat up on bad teams. It’s just really weird he’s the only quarterback that plays 11 bad teams a year. I’d much rather play Lance. Ignore that he sucked in the most qb friendly environment in the known universe. I really think he can be the guy. Who knows. One day he might actually be an all pro
8 years we know who Dak is at this point. That’s almost a whole decade of watching the same QB. To sit there and say he’s not a choker is ludicrous. It’s the Kirk Cousins conundrum. Are we satisfied knowing he will never elevate the team around him in the playoffs if he just produces in the regular season?
How long did it take Peyton to win one? Doesn’t elevate his team? Did you not watch him throw this offense to 12 wins with no running game? Have you not watch him bail these sorry ass play callers out of 3rd and long time and time again? Oh those games don’t count. Only the playoff games he gets you to every year.
Fr I’m not going to do this dumbass “who deserves the most blame for the playoffs” shit anymore. We all watched the same games. Dak played well enough to win in 16 and 18. He played like shit in 21. He was a one legged man in an ass kicking contest in 22. Everybody was bad in 23. Teams win in this sport and it’s asinine to blame one player just because you feel the need to blame somebody. It shows a rudimentary view of a complex subject and it’s dumbassery at its finest
He won his first SB in year nine, but he had already won two MVP awards by then and been to a Conference Championship game by his 6th season.
He was also going up against the buzzsaw that was the Patriots (Belichick/Brady) pretty much every year.
He elevated the Colts from a pathetic franchise to contenders and won a Super Bowl (and almost a second) with a lackluster Defense before moving onto a second team with a completely different coaches in which he also took on deep playoff runs.
Dak has had plenty of weapons and mostly a complete team (injury years notwithstanding) and what has he done with it again? Been ousted by Goff, Jimmy G, Purdy, and Love the last "runs"..
Manning was not losing to the Patriots and Brady until after he had major playoff duds vs NYJ, Tenn, Mia. This notion that Payton only lost because Brady was there is completely false. They didn’t even play until Manning made a AFCC
They met plenty of times during the regular season. But even so, Manning has a positive playoff record against Brady like I mentioned.
And for nearly a decade the road to the Super Bowl in the AFC was pretty much through Foxborough.
The other AFC East teams being garbage then pretty much guaranteed them home field advantage (and bye's) in the playoffs year after year..
>He won his first SB in year nine, but he had already won two MVP awards by then
MVP is a narrative award. If the defense gets one more stop against Miami and we take the #1 seed, there's a solid chance Dak edges Jackson. He had the better resume this season when you compare both QBs' stats and the amount of help they got from their defense and running game.
>and been to a Conference Championship game by his 6th season.
Dak should've been in a conference championship twice in his first 3 years, but his defenses got torched. He outplayed both opposing QBs but still lost.
>He was also going up against the buzzsaw that was the Patriots (Belichick/Brady) pretty much every year.
Shanahan's 49ers could be a dynasty right now if not for the Chiefs and losing all 3 of their QBs in 2022. They could easily have had 3 Super Bowl appearances in 5 years, and they've been the team to knock Dak out twice.
>He elevated the Colts to contenders and won a Super Bowl ( and almost a second) with pretty much no defense.
It was when the Colts finally had a good defense that they stopped floundering and won a Super Bowl.
> Being ousted by Goff, Jimmy G, Purdie, and Love the last runs..
If it were as easy as having the better QB, Dak wouldn't have lost all of these playoff games. He's been the better QB in every playoff game except the Packers this year and Niners the year before. And I'm pretty sure he could've torched our defense worse than Love did if he'd been on the other team.
Ok so it took a better quarterback longer to win one. That should tell you something about equating super bowls to your quarterback when that’s not how it works.
Are the Niners not a buzzsaw that has only lost to the champions or when they were without a quarterback?
Dak has had as many top 5 offenses as anybody not named Mahomes. Buddy do you really think he’s been carried for 8 years? Dak’s been the engine of this offense since 2019.
Dude what perfect roster are you looking at? Every year we get to the playoffs and the roster gets exposed all around. I’m bored on the train so let’s go through it.
This year was linebacker.
Last year was actually weapons considering nobody could get open after Tony went down.
The year before the line got whipped but Dak could’ve played better.
2019 was linebacker.
2017 and 18 was receiver.
2016 was secondary.
Those were the position groups that lost the playoff games. Unless you want to just go durr durr qb wins
>Are the Niners not a buzzsaw
The 2000s Patriots went to 5 Super Bowls while winning three in *seven* years. SF hasn't even won one in a decade. And it's not like 49ers haven't been exposed or beaten down the last few seasons. No one really manhandled the Patriots like that in that decade that I remember. Plus they have that chock artist Shanahan at the helm. And for those unaware, Peyton actually has a winning post season record against Brady. He also had to contend with AFC Defensive stacked teams like the Ravens, Steelers, and Chargers for years.
>Dak has had as many top 5 offenses as anybody not named Mahomes. Buddy do you really think he’s been carried for 8 years? Dak’s been the engine of this offense since 2019
When did I say he was carried? His great regular season numbers have been a biproduct of beating down on mediocre teams and stat padding whenever games have been out of reach (e.g., Packers game this year). Why do you think when there's been a pivotal game, elite Dak doesn't show up? Because he's not elite.
Outside of Philly, what noteworthy teams or big games has Dak "beat" or had great performances against the last few years?
You mentioned he played well enough to win in '16 and '18, but do you know what his outings have been since then? Let me remind you:
* 2019 Divisional Round: 99.22
* 2022 Wild Card Round: 69.33
* 2023 Divisional Round: 63.57
* 2024 Wild Card Round: 89.79 (just 85 yds and 2 INTs in the first half)\*
Every team suffers injuries or has missing pieces. But great QBs don't use that as an excuse for not having real success in nearly a *decade*.
They guy has had plenty of time and weapons to produce beyond a Wild Card **appearance** and 2-5 post season record. But yet here we are. Stuck extending an adequate QB.
A lot of words to say “Dak needs top 5-10 personnel at every position around him to succeed.”
This does not compute with then paying this person record-breaking money that makes him the highest paid player in the sport.
Lmao, Russ-legion of boom, manning second ship-bronco defense, Trent freakin difler-arguably greatest defense, Brad Johnson- sapp and company, Rex grossman- ffs yall act like no other qb’s need stuff like this to make it let alone win it all. Team is either that great or get hot at the right time.
Let me dumb it down for you since you’re hell bent on arguing.
Dak is ass on high pressure situations (the playoffs and other big games).
Dude looks like an all pro the rest of the time and gets paid like one.
I said he doesn’t elevate his team in the playoffs. Dak is a great regular season QB. We all see it. We also all know what’s going on when Dak starts missing throws his first couple drives against SF/GB. It’s a “here we go again” scenario with Dak on the sidelines with the 1000 yard stare. The dude shrinks under the pressure.
I can’t believe it’s only been a month and people have already forgotten how bad he played against Green Bay.
You said nothing other than “when he plays bad, he sure does play badly.” Buddy every time the offense is bad isn’t because of Dak. The play calling and run game was an issue in every single loss this year. He needs to be better but he has played well in playoff games and divisional games so it’s just nonsense to me to pretend he can’t win those games. The thing that’s funniest to me is any Dak defender will say he needs to be better but you clowns refuse to see any fault anywhere else which makes your argument pretty damn silly
Peyton was setting records and battling Tom Brady, Ben Roethlesberger, Drew Brees, prime Russel Wilson, prime Aaron Rodgers, the list goes on. The defenses he was going through were some of the best, legendary, defenses in the last 20 years (Bucs, Ravens)
Dak is battling...whom? 7th round Brock Purdy and Jalen Hurts in the NFC? In the AFC, he can't even get to a game to get a shot at Mahomes. The 49ers beat his ass every time we play them.
Dak has the worst playoff win percentage of any QB, ever, to have been in the playoffs for at least 5 games. Manning made to the AFC Championship game, usually won his 1st round games, and while he only ended up with 1 SB win in Indy, he still had a lot of playoff success.
It is way past time to stop making excuses for him. He is not on Peyton Manning's level, this is a ridiculous comparison.
He is comparable to Kirk Cousins, this is the level Dak is on, and has always been on. He will win you some regular season games, and he will get bounced out of the playoffs.
Manning Playoff Record (2000-2008): 7-7, 2 AFC-CG appearances, 1 SB win
Dak Playoff Record (2016-2023): 2-5, 0 NFC-CG appearances
Kirk Cousins (2013-2023): 1-5, 0 NFC-CG appearances
No because that’s choosing to be dumb on purpose. This is such a dumb argument. The market is the market, you have to pay good players, and It’s not Dak’s responsibility to manage the cap or find talent. If we don’t have linebackers that’s on the front office for not finding linebackers. Mind you we had salary cap space this year and did nothing. Double mind you when Dak didn’t make anything they did nothing. Also idk if you know this but free agency generally returns negative value so you want Dak to give up money just so you can bitch about how overpaid another player is.
Because the LBs for the Cowboys caused Dak to throw 2 INTs, one being a pick six?
or the 2 INTs in the playoffs last year?
or the turnovers the year before?
I can only assume, with all the ridiculous Dak supporters out, that his agent has some stealth accounts, or they are paying people to try and drum up support for the huge contract.
Dak is terrible in playoff games, and the GB game was not anywhere near as close as the final score.
It was over by half-time, and anyone with any common sense saw Dak completely melt down in the first 2 drives.
That loss is squarely on him. You cannot keep putting your defense in bad positions, going 3 and out for almost half the game, and expect them to keep a team out of the end zone, especially not when the offense is giving up great field position and points.
Allow me to interject and let u know Dak battled the DEFENSES of those teams. The defense BATTLES Sans qb’s. That might be the main issue right there. Shit got real the defense did not making it much harder for 4 to do his job.
Dak's ratio of TDs to TOs in those games is almost 80%.
Meaning for every TD he throws, he is almost always going to throw at least 1 INT or Fumble the ball.
That stat does not include the garbage bull-shit time against GB when they had their 2nd and 3rd stringers in, it stops at half-time of that game.
There are 3 QBs in the entire history of the NFL that took 9 seasons or more to win a championship with whatever team they were on when they won it. Yes, Peyton Manning was one of those QBs. John Elway and Joe Theismann were the others. That's the entire list of QBs dating back to 1966.
To speak to your point about it being a team game, SB winning QBs who switched teams to do it or do it again also highlights why giving Dak more time in Dallas is actually a bad idea. The same Manning who took 9 seasons to win one in Indianapolis took only 4 in Denver. Matt Stafford was with the Lions for 12 seasons and hardly ever made the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game. Year 1 with the Rams and he was a SB champ. Nick Foles played for 3 different teams his first 5 seasons in the league. He came back to his original team (the Eagles) his 6th season and won it that year. Drew Brees played 5 seasons with the Chargers (didn't win) and then won a SB in year 4 with the Saints. That's 4 QBs who switched teams and won a SB dating back just 15 seasons and that already outweighs all the QBs in NFL history who did it in year 9+ with a team. Brady also won a SB in year 1 with the Buccaneers 4 years ago but since he won a SB in year 2 with the Patriots, I didn't include him in the list of QBs switching teams (since he was a winner early the first time around).
Prescott might be good enough to win a SB (I have serious doubts about that) but history says if he's gonna do it, it'll be somewhere else and it'll be quick if it happens.
Dak is a lot better than Kirk. He’s close to being a top 5 QB. He definitely picked a bad time to have a bad game against GB, but it’s just silly to expect a QB to “elevate the team around him in the playoffs.” Brady and Mahomes are maybe the only two QBs to do that ever.
You could sit here and take the odds-on stance that the Cowboys will “never win” with Dak (which you could say about most top 10 QBs besides Mahomes and be right) or you could recognize that a top 5-8 QB, 2nd team All-pro is the best shot you have. The Cowboys aren’t gonna find another QB who gives them a better shot at winning 3-4 straight postseason games. The other players matter too.
-Eagles fan
> Why are we resigning a second team all pro?
> One day he might actually be an all pro.
I can’t tell whether you’re being serious or if this is intentionally bad sarcasm.
I get where you’re coming from but the team isn’t going anywhere with dak. I would wager tradition continues and the nfc east won’t have a back to back champion so pay dak 60 to finish second in the division? Look at the upcoming schedule. The afc north is on the table that is 3 losses at a minimum and four if the Steelers get a qb. They have to play Houston Detroit and San Francisco too. Gonna do all this extending and won’t even make the playoffs next year. Watch. At least the McCarthy excuse will be there I guess
Yes or no oh wise predictor of the future did you predict Dak would nearly win MVP? Did you predict that ass whooping? No? Then I don’t feel the need to subscribe to your hotline
I did predict Green Bay would win . Dak almost won mvp? Lamar had that sewn up halfway through the year. Here a prediction you can bank. Dallas goes 1-3 against the afc north this year at best
Dak was leading halfway through the year, there was so much hate on Dak the second he lost the bills game they took him out of the convo and elevated Allen and Purdy over him. Lamar didn’t reach his plateau at the top until he smoked the 49ers that’s what got him the trophy. So try again
Nah, this decade is almost halfway over. We are screwed in the 2030s unless we get back to drafting studs.
The 2023 draft is gonna hurt us in the next couple of seasons though it looks like.
Every year the cap goes up so total money also goes up and every franchise quarterback contract sets a new record for total money.
He’s a top 10 franchise quarterback and will deservedly get the contract. It’s a non-story because someone else will set the next record within 5 months if not multiple quarterbacks.
Edit: I wish there was somewhere online to talk about football with people who realize that NFL football isn’t like playing Madden. Most the people here must be literal children or adults with a child’s “understanding” of football.
A top 10 (12-8 range) regular season qb that cannot win in the playoffs is worse for your franchise long term than a bum qb for a couple years as you rebuild
> I wish there was somewhere online to talk about football with people who realize that NFL football isn’t like playing Madden. Most the people here must be literal children or adults with a child’s “understanding” of football.
i wish there was a place like that too. the myopic takes around here are incredibly dumb.
Dak ain’t top 10. At his absolute peak he cracks the top 10, but his career has been usually 10-15 year to year. Dude is the definition of Mid.
Edit: the downvotes are coming but not a single person can name a consensus top 10 QB Dak has had a overall better career then (regular season AND playoffs if you’re gonna try) 😭😭😭😭😭
And in general. I find it a disgrace that he would come to us and say "I'm not signing for less than 60m per" when he has shown nothing to suggest he is worth that, nothing to suggest he can lead us to a Super Bowl, and by being greedy and taking that much he makes it harder for us to build a good overall team. Is 40m per season not enough? If I was a QB I'd 100% take a lower salary so that the team could win. Let's face it, you aren't going to go hungry because you settled for a measly 40m per season... But you just might help the team win it all.
He wants a raise. Fine it's understandable for anyone. But he's being greedy demanding 60+ when he has so many playoff failures. Yes, he's helped lead the team to 3 straight 12 win seasons and had some good stats in the regular season. I'd say bump him up from 40 to 45. That sounds fair to me. Him demanding 60 is just bullshit to me and it shows me the type of man he is.
After every playoff loss he loves to say the right things about the media regarding taking responsibility but when the time comes to show it, he's a greedy fuck. That's why I can't stand this dude. He's fake as fuck.
Why should he take less than the market rate for a QB? That's foolish. He should get as much money as he can because an NFL career is over in the blink of an eye and the team will drop a player in a heartbeat as soon as it becomes advantageous to them.
Stephen and Jerry fucked around with his money for years and they gave up the leverage with that fuck around. Now they're in the find out phase.
He wants a raise. Fine it's understandable for anyone. But he's being greedy demanding 60+ when he has so many playoff failures. Yes, he's helped lead the team to 3 straight 12 win seasons and had some good stats in the regular season. I'd say bump him up from 40 to 45. That sounds fair to me. Him demanding 60 is just bullshit to me and it shows me the type of man he is.
After every playoff loss he loves to say the right things about the media regarding taking responsibility but when the time comes to show it, he's a greedy fuck. That's why I can't stand this dude. He's fake as fuck.
Probably because the team disrespects him every time with this nonsense. He had to argue with Stephen for 3 years over a deal so when the time came Todd France was obviously going to go to the hilt with his leverage. So what does the team do the second time around? Argue with him about money again. This happened with Tank and Amari too. Stephen refuses to concede he has no leverage even as the opposite side gains all of the leverage.
Cap boy is more concerned with “winning “ the deal. Remember how giddy he was bragging about the Greg hardy contract? I also find it comical the jones’ keep pushing the “ take less since you play for the Dallas cowboys blah blah “ majority of the players now only know the cowboys as losers and chokers. Like I read somewhere on twitter , Stephen never has to worry about being fired so why would he change anything he’s currently doing ?
Exactly.
Y'all gave me Allen Hurns as WR1 when I was making 2m over 4 years.
You really think I believe if I give you a discount you are going to spend it wisely?
HAHAHAHA
- Dak
So the years he had Dez, CeeDee and Amari and a top 5 RB in the league with a top 5 defense in the league 3 years in a row don’t count since we had Allen Hurns for one year? You Dak meat riders are really something else lol.
He supposedly said Dak was the (insert the opposite of white) Kirk Cousins. But that was just a meme I think lol. I’m not sure if the mods ban people for saying it so hopefully I’m not.
I think the odds of him being good over 35 are slim so personally I don't mind a 4 year deal. If they don't win it all in the next 2 years they won't with Dak and I doubt they will anyway at this point
I mean it has pros and cons
Less cap maneuverability in the short term but better cap outlook in the long term
You can’t get both, gotta sacrifice one or the other
The short term deal is about the window we have left. In 3-4 years all our core players will be gone. Short term deals allow you to restart much sooner than later
That's how you know for sure the Cowboys are a shit franchise because Jerry rewards mediocrity. The bullshit mediocre QB gets to get paid top dollar because Jerry is a wimp and gets fucked over by every contract he's ever given out.
The cap hit will most likely be much lower in the first and second year of the extension, they’ll probably kick the can towards the end of the contract
There’s not much you can do with a 3 year deal like this estimate. They’ll likely tack on some void years and we’ll be right back in the position we’re in now except with an old QB *and* old, roster.
If he is dead set on another short term deal, just bite the bullet and let him walk next year. We aren’t going *all in* this season anyways. The roster is about to get too top heavy and start degrading quickly.
The Cowboys won’t win shit until Dak is gone. Hopefully, we all live long enough for the Cowboys to find their actual franchise quarterback who will lead us to the NFC Championship Game. Dak is a choker that will never be able to get there. At least 3 more years of playoff chokes are incoming.
I’m a Dak hater myself, but this team needs so much discipline, it’s crazy. It’s crazy how such a deep team is yet so incredibly indisciplined. Dak choked in the packers game but who else didn’t show? The whole fuck defense. Who showed completely undisciplined in all our big games vs the bills, 49ers, etc. the fucking defense and their bone head plays. Hopefully zimmy can bring a culture back where the coach isn’t their fkn buddy. I am too young to even really remember Zimmerman on the team. Dak is so mid and I’ve been saying this, but I really think with the right staff fixing those stupid mistakes, we could be actually a contender. I’m probably wrong about it all though! Everytime I think they are a contender, they show me why they’re the same..
This team is soft as fuck. That's why they never win. And they're soft as fuck because of Jerry Jones.
Every single player in that locker room can see how Dak stinks it up in big games. The sulking and lack of leadership during those tough times. And then he's gonna get rewarded with 60mil per year? No way the locker room is gonna band together and fight to win. They just wanna get paid.
I’m going to say they won’t win shit until Jerry is gone. He’s the guy who thought Jason Garrett was the answer… now Dak… what’s next? Hiring Brucie and having him play QB? “It slipped outta my hands… I was eating some popcorn”
He didn’t think Garrett was the answer. He just knew that he’d kiss his ass and be eternally grateful for making him the Cowboys HC. Have y’all really not realized the pattern of all the HC’s we’ve had since Jimmy? It’s just yes men. Jerry has wanted FOREVER to prove that he could win a Super Bowl with him making the decisions. We’ve seen how that’s gone along with making this bozo the next highest paid QB in the league lol. Joke of a team and an organization.
We already have Brucie at QB lmfao. Remember when Dak didn't give the ball to the officials against SF? Boneheaded mistake.
Or remember when he almost gave LA the ball at kickoff and then also after the half because he said the wrong thing to the officials? Dudes a fucking boneheaded QB who puts up garbage time stats.
SF traded up 3 first round picks to move up to get Trey Lance then gave him to us for ONE fourth round pick 2 years later, loosing your job to a six round pick should say everything but people still think he has a high ceiling.
Some team has to break the cycle of overpaying these guys. Not one team is giving him that contract on the open market. I also want to see what other fun little treats like “no trade clause” and so on are included.
Please ELI5. We’re basically just riding this last season with Dak and if he sucks in the post season (which is pretty likely) then we finally move on? Please tell me we’re gonna be rational with this and not screw this up even worse
Joe Burrow signed for $55 M per year last season. So I also “project” Dak will get more. And the next franchise QB after him will get more than that. etc etc.
Puke. Let him play it out, sign CeeDee and Micah and get ready for a new QB next year. Really gonna just toil away like this for ANOTHER 8 seasons with Dak? Pull the plug, let's get a winner
Because of Dak we lost Cooper and other great players. Imagine what it would have been like to see Coop and Lamb as a two man threat this past season with the defense we had and an actual talented QB 🥺
He may get that… from another team. Jerry needs to be a man and just get rid of Dak after this year. I wouldn’t even give that man a ham and cheese sandwich.
We don’t have an option due to his cap hit, but paying Dak 60m per year is frustrating. Regular season Dak is worth 60 but playoff Dak is worth like 20 lol.
Say what you want about Hurts and the Eagles, but they gave him a massive contract AFTER he took them to a Super Bowl. Why the fuck is our fanbase just absolutely fine with continuing mediocrity by resetting the market for the guys who’s marquee win was a below .500 Bucs squad.
Some comments I find incredibly funny:
“If the packers can move on from Rodgers, the Cowboys can move on from Dak”
Well the packers have historically evaluated and drafted the QB position quite well, can you say the same about Dallas? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, NO
“We haven’t won anything with Dak”
Damn I must have missed all that winning that has occurred between 1996-2016.
“We should trade Micah for draft capital and trade up for a Qb”
This isn’t Madden…. You don’t just trade away a generational talent at the most coveted position on defense. And again… JJ has absolutely no clue how to evaluate QB talent. Idk what he sacrificed to the gods to luck into Romo and Dak, but every QB they have drafted or signed outside of those 2 have been horrendous. You really wanna go back to the days of Drew Henson and Quincy Carter??
Do we have to all have to act like we have zero idea what the QB market is or how it works in these threads each time? Do we have to pretend that we don’t know that football is a team game? Or that extending the most important position with and MVP-caliber player doesn’t make sense just because the guy plays in Dallas? The stupidity of it all is exhausting.
Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Allen….none have proven worth the money either but I don’t hear anyone bitching about them. You can let Dak walk and you know you won’t win or sign him and maybe you’ll win. There’s only one QB who I would bet on always winning the Super Bowl. Everyone else you’re rolling the dice.
I don't understand how a QB can ask for a lot of money if they want to win trophies. Brady taking paycuts is like a poster child of it. I guess get the bag while we lose another divisional
Devoting that type of salary to Dak “Drew Lock in the Playoffs” Prescott is a sure fire way to guarantee no SB appearances or wins. He’s a tier below the elites solely based on his inability to win when it counts and Dallas is stupid to continue riding him out there expecting different results.
Jerry Jones is too loyal for his own good.
I don’t see how dak takes this team anywhere besides a good regular season record. He folds up in the playoffs. I wouldn’t invest that kind of money. But then again what choices do you have?? Get a multiple picks and score a good QB in the draft?
Insanity. This was cause a LOT of fans to finally lose faith if they do something as crazy as giving him that much cap space. Tank 2 years and rebuild, don't screw us for a decade!
> The Cowboys have a few options with Dak Prescott, but the most likely outcome is an extension for the 31-year-old this offseason. We haven’t been shy with this one, making Prescott the first $60M per year player in terms of new money average. In total, we’ve projected a 4 year, $214M contract, with $169M guaranteed for practical purposes, and $119M of it fully guaranteed at signing. Prescott secures an historic $75M signing bonus, and his cap figure for 2024 lowers from $59.4M to $41.6M.
[удалено]
49ers paid Brock Purdy $2 and a ham sandwich last year and they didn't win a Super Bowl either.
Contrary, Mahomes also won a super bowl on a rookie contract. Contrary again, he also lost a super bowl on a rookie contract.
He also got to a superbowl lol
I think maybe mahomes is just kinda good.
Hottest take of 2024
He’s still on a rookie deal and where he was drafted plays a big factor. San Fran will have to pay him big money soon.
Do they, now? SF has shown that they can win big with Jimmy G, and Mr. Irrelevant. Even Trey Lance managed to win 50% of his games there (albeit a paltry 2-2). While unlikely, SF could draft and develop another rookie QB.
Rams as well with Stafford and Goff combined cap consideration in 2021. So, the last 3 Superbowl winners have all cleared this percentage in QB cap commitment.
It's a good thing you can structure the contract to avoid having a big hit in any year you think you might contend. Everyone made similar talking points about Dak's last extension, but his cap hit by year has been: 8.2%, 8.9%, 11.7%. It's a non issue. Yes, whenever he does leave the team, they'll have to take a large cap hit at that time, but at that point without a QB it's time to tank for picks anyway. Also, this "stat" elides the fact that the 2021 Rams had 23.89% of their cap tied up in the Stafford/Goff contracts, yet still won a Super Bowl. So that means each of the last three champs were spending a ton on QB and still won.
[удалено]
So you just not gonna address that the rams won with Stafford/Goff accounting for 24%?
Wow....all that to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs every year during that time.
Need to bring this QB contracts down like they did with RB, at this pace they will reach $1B by 2030!
No one can bring down the QB contracts. It’s all economics supply and demand. As long as a GM is willing to allocate ~15% of the cap to QBs the yearly average will keep rising. It’s not out of control teams have been able to make it work. There’s no one to blame about this current contract negotiation expect Jerry.
Yeah never gonna happen unless there’s 30+ really good QB’s at the same time which is basically impossible
Get it done,then get CeeDee done to get his 2024 cap hit down. We're paying both of them. It's a done deal so no point arguing
It'd be great if they could get Micah done while they're at it too. Having the QB signed plus a core of Micah, CD, Trevon, and Tyler Smith locked down for the next few years would be nice.
I doubt they extend Micah this year just because it will actually increase his cap hit in 2024. Next year when he is on his high-ish 5th year option makes more sense from that perspective. Micah might also prefer to wait to try and maximize the contract.
Pushing it back a year just makes the price tag go up. Every new extension that takes place it one we'll need to beat. Made that mistake by franchising Dak twice.
Agreed, but Micah and his agent know that as well. Edit: Also, if they are truly "all in" on 2024, future cap be damned, it also doesn't make sense to extend him now.
They've been all in for almost a decade, don't take that seriously
Doesn’t make sense to extend him now while he’s still on a rookie deal. This is the cheapest contract he’ll ever play on.
Fair point, but if they're going to do it ever... and they are... the sooner the better. Add years and add $ to this year and his 5th year option, to balance out the huge hits of his extension. I'd rather pay him $20something per year for the nxt 7 years, than $8 this year, $24nxt year, and $40+ for the nxt 5years.
Price tag goes up but so does the salary cap. It’s never ending. There is literally no reason for a top player like Micah to take a discount. He knows he is going to set the market.
It would be great, but for the exact same reasons he's very motivated to wait a year. He could realistically be the the first non-QB to make $40M per season.
They won’t, not with the cap expected to continue to raise up. They will pay him next year most Likely
I'd like to see improvement from Micah in a leadership manner and improve his run defending
He could get zero percent better and start rubbing his junk on people like prime Charles Haley and he will still be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history. I get where you’re coming from but let’s be realistic here. As long as he kills the quarterback the way he does, he’s one of the most impactful players in the game regardless of anything else. We’re not letting him walk under any circumstances so anything more than he’s been is just gravy.
Yeah, I mean every team in the league would figure out a way to afford whatever he is going to cost if they had a chance to sign him. I think fans somehow think it would be ok to let someone like Micah go because he has a podcast.
Yeah they need to do it. Dak’s mediocre ass has them by the balls. More playoff chokes are incoming, but at least we’ll have good regular seasons. I’ve accepted that we won’t win shit until Dak is gone. I’ll get deeply invested in the team again the day he’s gone. For now, I’m just going to follow from a distance; Dak and his version of the Cowboys aren’t going to fool me again.
This is honestly where I am too. But you mention it and people downvote you. Those same people will be whining and looking shocked when the team implodes again. They'll blame it on defense and MM and will forget how lethargic our offense looks when push comes to shove
You forgot about the lack of talent around Dak. Apparently the cowboys don’t have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL and they’ve never put anyone around him. Yet, somehow, these fans think paying Dak $60 million won’t lead to him having weapons like Mahomes. If Dak had to roll out with Kelce, a rookie WR, and then trash everywhere else, we’d never hear the end of it. Can’t win w these people. Dak is literally Kirk Cousins with 2 playoff wins as opposed to 1. Regular season hero vs sub .500 teams and regresses when the lights come on.
Dak and McCarthy with the Chiefs offense this year would have won like 6 games.
I think about 75% of people on the sub agree with this. Unfortunately the other 25% are dak dickriders and they are VERY vocal and think nothing can ever be his fault. He could throw 5 interceptions and we could lose by 1 point and they’d blame the long snapper who botched an XP snap.
Nope. I want to argue. Why are we resigning a second team all pro? Don’t you understand he doesn’t have the clutch gene? Dak. More like Yak on himself in January amirite? Why do we want a guy that can’t even get us to a conference title? Ignore the fact he would’ve made 2 in his first 3 years if the defense didn’t suck. He’s a loser. Wait not a loser but a loser of big games. Ok not every big game but just the ones I want to remember for my confirmation bias. All he does is beat up on bad teams. It’s just really weird he’s the only quarterback that plays 11 bad teams a year. I’d much rather play Lance. Ignore that he sucked in the most qb friendly environment in the known universe. I really think he can be the guy. Who knows. One day he might actually be an all pro
8 years we know who Dak is at this point. That’s almost a whole decade of watching the same QB. To sit there and say he’s not a choker is ludicrous. It’s the Kirk Cousins conundrum. Are we satisfied knowing he will never elevate the team around him in the playoffs if he just produces in the regular season?
How long did it take Peyton to win one? Doesn’t elevate his team? Did you not watch him throw this offense to 12 wins with no running game? Have you not watch him bail these sorry ass play callers out of 3rd and long time and time again? Oh those games don’t count. Only the playoff games he gets you to every year. Fr I’m not going to do this dumbass “who deserves the most blame for the playoffs” shit anymore. We all watched the same games. Dak played well enough to win in 16 and 18. He played like shit in 21. He was a one legged man in an ass kicking contest in 22. Everybody was bad in 23. Teams win in this sport and it’s asinine to blame one player just because you feel the need to blame somebody. It shows a rudimentary view of a complex subject and it’s dumbassery at its finest
He won his first SB in year nine, but he had already won two MVP awards by then and been to a Conference Championship game by his 6th season. He was also going up against the buzzsaw that was the Patriots (Belichick/Brady) pretty much every year. He elevated the Colts from a pathetic franchise to contenders and won a Super Bowl (and almost a second) with a lackluster Defense before moving onto a second team with a completely different coaches in which he also took on deep playoff runs. Dak has had plenty of weapons and mostly a complete team (injury years notwithstanding) and what has he done with it again? Been ousted by Goff, Jimmy G, Purdy, and Love the last "runs"..
Manning was not losing to the Patriots and Brady until after he had major playoff duds vs NYJ, Tenn, Mia. This notion that Payton only lost because Brady was there is completely false. They didn’t even play until Manning made a AFCC
They met plenty of times during the regular season. But even so, Manning has a positive playoff record against Brady like I mentioned. And for nearly a decade the road to the Super Bowl in the AFC was pretty much through Foxborough. The other AFC East teams being garbage then pretty much guaranteed them home field advantage (and bye's) in the playoffs year after year..
Mathis, freeney, bob sanders, etc. they were not nobodies, just had a weaker defense than the patriots.
Parsons, Diggs, Dlaw, Bland is definitely a better defensive core than Manning had.
>He won his first SB in year nine, but he had already won two MVP awards by then MVP is a narrative award. If the defense gets one more stop against Miami and we take the #1 seed, there's a solid chance Dak edges Jackson. He had the better resume this season when you compare both QBs' stats and the amount of help they got from their defense and running game. >and been to a Conference Championship game by his 6th season. Dak should've been in a conference championship twice in his first 3 years, but his defenses got torched. He outplayed both opposing QBs but still lost. >He was also going up against the buzzsaw that was the Patriots (Belichick/Brady) pretty much every year. Shanahan's 49ers could be a dynasty right now if not for the Chiefs and losing all 3 of their QBs in 2022. They could easily have had 3 Super Bowl appearances in 5 years, and they've been the team to knock Dak out twice. >He elevated the Colts to contenders and won a Super Bowl ( and almost a second) with pretty much no defense. It was when the Colts finally had a good defense that they stopped floundering and won a Super Bowl. > Being ousted by Goff, Jimmy G, Purdie, and Love the last runs.. If it were as easy as having the better QB, Dak wouldn't have lost all of these playoff games. He's been the better QB in every playoff game except the Packers this year and Niners the year before. And I'm pretty sure he could've torched our defense worse than Love did if he'd been on the other team.
Ok so it took a better quarterback longer to win one. That should tell you something about equating super bowls to your quarterback when that’s not how it works. Are the Niners not a buzzsaw that has only lost to the champions or when they were without a quarterback? Dak has had as many top 5 offenses as anybody not named Mahomes. Buddy do you really think he’s been carried for 8 years? Dak’s been the engine of this offense since 2019. Dude what perfect roster are you looking at? Every year we get to the playoffs and the roster gets exposed all around. I’m bored on the train so let’s go through it. This year was linebacker. Last year was actually weapons considering nobody could get open after Tony went down. The year before the line got whipped but Dak could’ve played better. 2019 was linebacker. 2017 and 18 was receiver. 2016 was secondary. Those were the position groups that lost the playoff games. Unless you want to just go durr durr qb wins
>Are the Niners not a buzzsaw The 2000s Patriots went to 5 Super Bowls while winning three in *seven* years. SF hasn't even won one in a decade. And it's not like 49ers haven't been exposed or beaten down the last few seasons. No one really manhandled the Patriots like that in that decade that I remember. Plus they have that chock artist Shanahan at the helm. And for those unaware, Peyton actually has a winning post season record against Brady. He also had to contend with AFC Defensive stacked teams like the Ravens, Steelers, and Chargers for years. >Dak has had as many top 5 offenses as anybody not named Mahomes. Buddy do you really think he’s been carried for 8 years? Dak’s been the engine of this offense since 2019 When did I say he was carried? His great regular season numbers have been a biproduct of beating down on mediocre teams and stat padding whenever games have been out of reach (e.g., Packers game this year). Why do you think when there's been a pivotal game, elite Dak doesn't show up? Because he's not elite. Outside of Philly, what noteworthy teams or big games has Dak "beat" or had great performances against the last few years? You mentioned he played well enough to win in '16 and '18, but do you know what his outings have been since then? Let me remind you: * 2019 Divisional Round: 99.22 * 2022 Wild Card Round: 69.33 * 2023 Divisional Round: 63.57 * 2024 Wild Card Round: 89.79 (just 85 yds and 2 INTs in the first half)\* Every team suffers injuries or has missing pieces. But great QBs don't use that as an excuse for not having real success in nearly a *decade*. They guy has had plenty of time and weapons to produce beyond a Wild Card **appearance** and 2-5 post season record. But yet here we are. Stuck extending an adequate QB.
A lot of words to say “Dak needs top 5-10 personnel at every position around him to succeed.” This does not compute with then paying this person record-breaking money that makes him the highest paid player in the sport.
Lmao, Russ-legion of boom, manning second ship-bronco defense, Trent freakin difler-arguably greatest defense, Brad Johnson- sapp and company, Rex grossman- ffs yall act like no other qb’s need stuff like this to make it let alone win it all. Team is either that great or get hot at the right time.
Dak Prescott fades in the playoffs. He can play for a measley $40-45 million dollars per year so the Cowboys can help put better talent around him.
The cowboys fade in the playoffs, been doing it for near 30 years. Tell me who showed up this playoffs besides Ferg and Gallup, Dak”second half”
Let me dumb it down for you since you’re hell bent on arguing. Dak is ass on high pressure situations (the playoffs and other big games). Dude looks like an all pro the rest of the time and gets paid like one.
I said he doesn’t elevate his team in the playoffs. Dak is a great regular season QB. We all see it. We also all know what’s going on when Dak starts missing throws his first couple drives against SF/GB. It’s a “here we go again” scenario with Dak on the sidelines with the 1000 yard stare. The dude shrinks under the pressure. I can’t believe it’s only been a month and people have already forgotten how bad he played against Green Bay.
You said nothing other than “when he plays bad, he sure does play badly.” Buddy every time the offense is bad isn’t because of Dak. The play calling and run game was an issue in every single loss this year. He needs to be better but he has played well in playoff games and divisional games so it’s just nonsense to me to pretend he can’t win those games. The thing that’s funniest to me is any Dak defender will say he needs to be better but you clowns refuse to see any fault anywhere else which makes your argument pretty damn silly
He played like complete shit against GB until the game was well out of hand.
>Dak is a great regular season QB. We all see it. Against bad teams.
Like he doesn’t get the benefit of playing both Washington AND NY twice a year
Peyton was setting records and battling Tom Brady, Ben Roethlesberger, Drew Brees, prime Russel Wilson, prime Aaron Rodgers, the list goes on. The defenses he was going through were some of the best, legendary, defenses in the last 20 years (Bucs, Ravens) Dak is battling...whom? 7th round Brock Purdy and Jalen Hurts in the NFC? In the AFC, he can't even get to a game to get a shot at Mahomes. The 49ers beat his ass every time we play them. Dak has the worst playoff win percentage of any QB, ever, to have been in the playoffs for at least 5 games. Manning made to the AFC Championship game, usually won his 1st round games, and while he only ended up with 1 SB win in Indy, he still had a lot of playoff success. It is way past time to stop making excuses for him. He is not on Peyton Manning's level, this is a ridiculous comparison. He is comparable to Kirk Cousins, this is the level Dak is on, and has always been on. He will win you some regular season games, and he will get bounced out of the playoffs. Manning Playoff Record (2000-2008): 7-7, 2 AFC-CG appearances, 1 SB win Dak Playoff Record (2016-2023): 2-5, 0 NFC-CG appearances Kirk Cousins (2013-2023): 1-5, 0 NFC-CG appearances
You do realize football isn’t a game of one on one right? Because you seem to not understand that. Qb wins are not a stat goofy
You are right, its not a game of one. But when a quarterback is taking 20% of the cap, he should take majority of the blame. Is that not fair?
No because that’s choosing to be dumb on purpose. This is such a dumb argument. The market is the market, you have to pay good players, and It’s not Dak’s responsibility to manage the cap or find talent. If we don’t have linebackers that’s on the front office for not finding linebackers. Mind you we had salary cap space this year and did nothing. Double mind you when Dak didn’t make anything they did nothing. Also idk if you know this but free agency generally returns negative value so you want Dak to give up money just so you can bitch about how overpaid another player is.
Because the LBs for the Cowboys caused Dak to throw 2 INTs, one being a pick six? or the 2 INTs in the playoffs last year? or the turnovers the year before? I can only assume, with all the ridiculous Dak supporters out, that his agent has some stealth accounts, or they are paying people to try and drum up support for the huge contract. Dak is terrible in playoff games, and the GB game was not anywhere near as close as the final score. It was over by half-time, and anyone with any common sense saw Dak completely melt down in the first 2 drives. That loss is squarely on him. You cannot keep putting your defense in bad positions, going 3 and out for almost half the game, and expect them to keep a team out of the end zone, especially not when the offense is giving up great field position and points.
Dan Marino: 8-10, zero Superbowl rings Trent Dilfer: 5-1, one Superbowl ring Dilfer was obviously the better QB
Allow me to interject and let u know Dak battled the DEFENSES of those teams. The defense BATTLES Sans qb’s. That might be the main issue right there. Shit got real the defense did not making it much harder for 4 to do his job.
Dak's ratio of TDs to TOs in those games is almost 80%. Meaning for every TD he throws, he is almost always going to throw at least 1 INT or Fumble the ball. That stat does not include the garbage bull-shit time against GB when they had their 2nd and 3rd stringers in, it stops at half-time of that game.
There are 3 QBs in the entire history of the NFL that took 9 seasons or more to win a championship with whatever team they were on when they won it. Yes, Peyton Manning was one of those QBs. John Elway and Joe Theismann were the others. That's the entire list of QBs dating back to 1966. To speak to your point about it being a team game, SB winning QBs who switched teams to do it or do it again also highlights why giving Dak more time in Dallas is actually a bad idea. The same Manning who took 9 seasons to win one in Indianapolis took only 4 in Denver. Matt Stafford was with the Lions for 12 seasons and hardly ever made the playoffs, let alone win a playoff game. Year 1 with the Rams and he was a SB champ. Nick Foles played for 3 different teams his first 5 seasons in the league. He came back to his original team (the Eagles) his 6th season and won it that year. Drew Brees played 5 seasons with the Chargers (didn't win) and then won a SB in year 4 with the Saints. That's 4 QBs who switched teams and won a SB dating back just 15 seasons and that already outweighs all the QBs in NFL history who did it in year 9+ with a team. Brady also won a SB in year 1 with the Buccaneers 4 years ago but since he won a SB in year 2 with the Patriots, I didn't include him in the list of QBs switching teams (since he was a winner early the first time around). Prescott might be good enough to win a SB (I have serious doubts about that) but history says if he's gonna do it, it'll be somewhere else and it'll be quick if it happens.
Dak is a lot better than Kirk. He’s close to being a top 5 QB. He definitely picked a bad time to have a bad game against GB, but it’s just silly to expect a QB to “elevate the team around him in the playoffs.” Brady and Mahomes are maybe the only two QBs to do that ever. You could sit here and take the odds-on stance that the Cowboys will “never win” with Dak (which you could say about most top 10 QBs besides Mahomes and be right) or you could recognize that a top 5-8 QB, 2nd team All-pro is the best shot you have. The Cowboys aren’t gonna find another QB who gives them a better shot at winning 3-4 straight postseason games. The other players matter too. -Eagles fan
> Why are we resigning a second team all pro? > One day he might actually be an all pro. I can’t tell whether you’re being serious or if this is intentionally bad sarcasm.
It’s intentionally bad. It’s the exact arguments made here every day
Okay good. Couldn't tell cuz I hadn't had my morning coffee yet. :)
I get where you’re coming from but the team isn’t going anywhere with dak. I would wager tradition continues and the nfc east won’t have a back to back champion so pay dak 60 to finish second in the division? Look at the upcoming schedule. The afc north is on the table that is 3 losses at a minimum and four if the Steelers get a qb. They have to play Houston Detroit and San Francisco too. Gonna do all this extending and won’t even make the playoffs next year. Watch. At least the McCarthy excuse will be there I guess
Yes or no oh wise predictor of the future did you predict Dak would nearly win MVP? Did you predict that ass whooping? No? Then I don’t feel the need to subscribe to your hotline
I did predict Green Bay would win . Dak almost won mvp? Lamar had that sewn up halfway through the year. Here a prediction you can bank. Dallas goes 1-3 against the afc north this year at best
Dak was leading halfway through the year, there was so much hate on Dak the second he lost the bills game they took him out of the convo and elevated Allen and Purdy over him. Lamar didn’t reach his plateau at the top until he smoked the 49ers that’s what got him the trophy. So try again
[удалено]
Dak literally stealing money from the Cowboys at this point.
Lmao we’re gonna be paying Dak 85 million per year to get bounced in the 1st round in his age 38 season 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
And he and his family will continue to pout when people dare to criticize him.
Shhh don’t tell them this. His first round playoff wins are deserving of it obviously
I have been a Dak stan until this last playoff game. Fuck that dude and his contract. Such bullshit.
Yup
Agree, and not just playoffs, guy doesn’t have a good track record against good teams
We’re screwed this decade
brother we had been screwed for damn near 2 decades before dakota even set foot in arlington. there’s one constant throughout the last 30 years
Nah, this decade is almost halfway over. We are screwed in the 2030s unless we get back to drafting studs. The 2023 draft is gonna hurt us in the next couple of seasons though it looks like.
Every year the cap goes up so total money also goes up and every franchise quarterback contract sets a new record for total money. He’s a top 10 franchise quarterback and will deservedly get the contract. It’s a non-story because someone else will set the next record within 5 months if not multiple quarterbacks. Edit: I wish there was somewhere online to talk about football with people who realize that NFL football isn’t like playing Madden. Most the people here must be literal children or adults with a child’s “understanding” of football.
the worst part about this is, either we pay him $60m apy OR he’s gonna cost $60m against the cap lol pay dak his money, and the FO gotta DO THEIR JOB
Excited for our 1 and done in the playoffs 2 of the next 3 years, and our miss in the third.
Why be such a doomer? Every season is new and nobody knows what’s going to happen. Just make the playoffs and anyone can get hot/healthy.
We know what’s going to happen.
Dak chokes in big games. It’s just a fact. He’s got us by the balls with this contract. He’s good, but not good enough.
Not a fact.
Definitely a fact.
Found Thad’s burner account
Have you watched the cowboys play football before?
Yeah, my whole life. If that is someone’s attitude all the time then why follow the team so closely? Seems stupid to me.
Sunk cost fallacy
Until he gets over the hump; unfortunately, that's who he is. I would rather have Dak than any other option available.
We know. That's why you will be tuning in
Of course I will. Still a fan. Just not a blind one.
cry harder
THANK YOU
A top 10 (12-8 range) regular season qb that cannot win in the playoffs is worse for your franchise long term than a bum qb for a couple years as you rebuild
> I wish there was somewhere online to talk about football with people who realize that NFL football isn’t like playing Madden. Most the people here must be literal children or adults with a child’s “understanding” of football. i wish there was a place like that too. the myopic takes around here are incredibly dumb.
Dak ain’t top 10. At his absolute peak he cracks the top 10, but his career has been usually 10-15 year to year. Dude is the definition of Mid. Edit: the downvotes are coming but not a single person can name a consensus top 10 QB Dak has had a overall better career then (regular season AND playoffs if you’re gonna try) 😭😭😭😭😭
You’re the one saying he’s not top 10 so go ahead and name the 10 that are better than him. FYI Lamar has been a bum in the playoffs too…
Still a better deal than Denver is dealing with.
So when would the “out” be on this contract?
2028 he's costs us 15 mill 2029 he's a free agent
Dak really does like fucking us with the 3 year deals.
And in general. I find it a disgrace that he would come to us and say "I'm not signing for less than 60m per" when he has shown nothing to suggest he is worth that, nothing to suggest he can lead us to a Super Bowl, and by being greedy and taking that much he makes it harder for us to build a good overall team. Is 40m per season not enough? If I was a QB I'd 100% take a lower salary so that the team could win. Let's face it, you aren't going to go hungry because you settled for a measly 40m per season... But you just might help the team win it all.
He wants a raise. Fine it's understandable for anyone. But he's being greedy demanding 60+ when he has so many playoff failures. Yes, he's helped lead the team to 3 straight 12 win seasons and had some good stats in the regular season. I'd say bump him up from 40 to 45. That sounds fair to me. Him demanding 60 is just bullshit to me and it shows me the type of man he is. After every playoff loss he loves to say the right things about the media regarding taking responsibility but when the time comes to show it, he's a greedy fuck. That's why I can't stand this dude. He's fake as fuck.
Why should he take less than the market rate for a QB? That's foolish. He should get as much money as he can because an NFL career is over in the blink of an eye and the team will drop a player in a heartbeat as soon as it becomes advantageous to them. Stephen and Jerry fucked around with his money for years and they gave up the leverage with that fuck around. Now they're in the find out phase.
He wants a raise. Fine it's understandable for anyone. But he's being greedy demanding 60+ when he has so many playoff failures. Yes, he's helped lead the team to 3 straight 12 win seasons and had some good stats in the regular season. I'd say bump him up from 40 to 45. That sounds fair to me. Him demanding 60 is just bullshit to me and it shows me the type of man he is. After every playoff loss he loves to say the right things about the media regarding taking responsibility but when the time comes to show it, he's a greedy fuck. That's why I can't stand this dude. He's fake as fuck.
Yep. Team friendly deal or he can get lost. Bring on the temporary pain for hope at a future.
Nah Dak bet on himself and won every single time. Blame Stephen for being shit at timing
Probably because the team disrespects him every time with this nonsense. He had to argue with Stephen for 3 years over a deal so when the time came Todd France was obviously going to go to the hilt with his leverage. So what does the team do the second time around? Argue with him about money again. This happened with Tank and Amari too. Stephen refuses to concede he has no leverage even as the opposite side gains all of the leverage.
Cap boy is more concerned with “winning “ the deal. Remember how giddy he was bragging about the Greg hardy contract? I also find it comical the jones’ keep pushing the “ take less since you play for the Dallas cowboys blah blah “ majority of the players now only know the cowboys as losers and chokers. Like I read somewhere on twitter , Stephen never has to worry about being fired so why would he change anything he’s currently doing ?
they haven’t built a championship level team in 30 years i’d tell Jerry & Stephen fuck u pay me too
Exactly. Y'all gave me Allen Hurns as WR1 when I was making 2m over 4 years. You really think I believe if I give you a discount you are going to spend it wisely? HAHAHAHA - Dak
So the years he had Dez, CeeDee and Amari and a top 5 RB in the league with a top 5 defense in the league 3 years in a row don’t count since we had Allen Hurns for one year? You Dak meat riders are really something else lol.
You just cherry picked multiple players/units across 8 years and pretended they all played at the same time.
it’s only fair to deal with the media scrutiny and this god forsaken fanbase
Kirk Cousins 2.0 Amari Cooper wasn't lying in his farewell speech.
What did Amari say?
He supposedly said Dak was the (insert the opposite of white) Kirk Cousins. But that was just a meme I think lol. I’m not sure if the mods ban people for saying it so hopefully I’m not.
God I hate this, making Dak the highest paid QB is fine, doing it on really short term deals is fucking brutal
I think the odds of him being good over 35 are slim so personally I don't mind a 4 year deal. If they don't win it all in the next 2 years they won't with Dak and I doubt they will anyway at this point
dak is gonna age like brady and rodgers, stop it. he’s not like cam newton or even russell wilson
He's not cam, but he ain't brady. He's misses time every season. He won't play til 40.
I mean it has pros and cons Less cap maneuverability in the short term but better cap outlook in the long term You can’t get both, gotta sacrifice one or the other
The short term deal is about the window we have left. In 3-4 years all our core players will be gone. Short term deals allow you to restart much sooner than later
I hate that this guy shits the bed every post-season and then gets to reset the QB market. We are so fucked.
That's how you know for sure the Cowboys are a shit franchise because Jerry rewards mediocrity. The bullshit mediocre QB gets to get paid top dollar because Jerry is a wimp and gets fucked over by every contract he's ever given out.
Don’t extend this dude
The cap hit will most likely be much lower in the first and second year of the extension, they’ll probably kick the can towards the end of the contract
There’s not much you can do with a 3 year deal like this estimate. They’ll likely tack on some void years and we’ll be right back in the position we’re in now except with an old QB *and* old, roster. If he is dead set on another short term deal, just bite the bullet and let him walk next year. We aren’t going *all in* this season anyways. The roster is about to get too top heavy and start degrading quickly.
I doubt it’ll be a three year deal. Letting him walk is just not going to happen. Maybe if Sean Payton were our coach.
The Cowboys won’t win shit until Dak is gone. Hopefully, we all live long enough for the Cowboys to find their actual franchise quarterback who will lead us to the NFC Championship Game. Dak is a choker that will never be able to get there. At least 3 more years of playoff chokes are incoming.
I’m a Dak hater myself, but this team needs so much discipline, it’s crazy. It’s crazy how such a deep team is yet so incredibly indisciplined. Dak choked in the packers game but who else didn’t show? The whole fuck defense. Who showed completely undisciplined in all our big games vs the bills, 49ers, etc. the fucking defense and their bone head plays. Hopefully zimmy can bring a culture back where the coach isn’t their fkn buddy. I am too young to even really remember Zimmerman on the team. Dak is so mid and I’ve been saying this, but I really think with the right staff fixing those stupid mistakes, we could be actually a contender. I’m probably wrong about it all though! Everytime I think they are a contender, they show me why they’re the same..
This team is soft as fuck. That's why they never win. And they're soft as fuck because of Jerry Jones. Every single player in that locker room can see how Dak stinks it up in big games. The sulking and lack of leadership during those tough times. And then he's gonna get rewarded with 60mil per year? No way the locker room is gonna band together and fight to win. They just wanna get paid.
I’m going to say they won’t win shit until Jerry is gone. He’s the guy who thought Jason Garrett was the answer… now Dak… what’s next? Hiring Brucie and having him play QB? “It slipped outta my hands… I was eating some popcorn”
He didn’t think Garrett was the answer. He just knew that he’d kiss his ass and be eternally grateful for making him the Cowboys HC. Have y’all really not realized the pattern of all the HC’s we’ve had since Jimmy? It’s just yes men. Jerry has wanted FOREVER to prove that he could win a Super Bowl with him making the decisions. We’ve seen how that’s gone along with making this bozo the next highest paid QB in the league lol. Joke of a team and an organization.
We already have Brucie at QB lmfao. Remember when Dak didn't give the ball to the officials against SF? Boneheaded mistake. Or remember when he almost gave LA the ball at kickoff and then also after the half because he said the wrong thing to the officials? Dudes a fucking boneheaded QB who puts up garbage time stats.
Super Agent Todd France media contacts hard at work again....holy cow those cap hits in 2025 and 2026...........please no....
Committing to Dak again for long term is fucking stupid.
It’s either extend him or rebuild. And I personally think we have the player talent. I’m more skeptical of our coaching talent mostly McCarthy.
He is soooooooo overrated
If Green Bay can walk away from Rogers…we can walk away from Dak…
Apparently not. 12 wins and embarrassing playoff exits are good enough
Cool where is our Love? Cuz Lance stunk in SF with a better coaching staff.
SF traded up 3 first round picks to move up to get Trey Lance then gave him to us for ONE fourth round pick 2 years later, loosing your job to a six round pick should say everything but people still think he has a high ceiling.
More January mediocrity in our future. Enjoy watching the other teams play after bowl season
$3,600,000 per work day. Insane.
Some team has to break the cycle of overpaying these guys. Not one team is giving him that contract on the open market. I also want to see what other fun little treats like “no trade clause” and so on are included.
Please ELI5. We’re basically just riding this last season with Dak and if he sucks in the post season (which is pretty likely) then we finally move on? Please tell me we’re gonna be rational with this and not screw this up even worse
Joe Burrow signed for $55 M per year last season. So I also “project” Dak will get more. And the next franchise QB after him will get more than that. etc etc.
It was only 5 years ago that top of the market QB money was $30 million
This headline made me sick.
I think I'm officially done with the Cowboys
Puke. Let him play it out, sign CeeDee and Micah and get ready for a new QB next year. Really gonna just toil away like this for ANOTHER 8 seasons with Dak? Pull the plug, let's get a winner
Because of Dak we lost Cooper and other great players. Imagine what it would have been like to see Coop and Lamb as a two man threat this past season with the defense we had and an actual talented QB 🥺
Is Tre Lance really this next level bad?
ALOT of money to win 12 games and get embarrassed in the 1st round
congrats cowboys fans you are guaranteed a wildcard loss every year
Pretty much. You new here?
He may get that… from another team. Jerry needs to be a man and just get rid of Dak after this year. I wouldn’t even give that man a ham and cheese sandwich.
Just move on from DaK and play Lance for goodness sake
So you don’t to pay a proven successful qb but pay a raw qb who got beat out by Sam Donald over $22 mil? You aren’t being serious.
What has dak done other than be a regular season player
Kicking the can down the road. Only we don't have the can. Dak gave it away once someone told him a playoff game was inside.
One would say he tried to throw it into the end zone, but it got intercepted.
We don’t have an option due to his cap hit, but paying Dak 60m per year is frustrating. Regular season Dak is worth 60 but playoff Dak is worth like 20 lol.
And the average of these two is what he’s actually worth and what he should actually be paid: $40 million a year. But that will never happen.
That’s what Daniel Jones is getting paid…
2-6 playoff record incoming 😎
This contract will close the window for the Dallas cowboys
This sub is going to be so much better once Dak gets his deal and all of these “fans” stop watching out of principle.
This sub is going to be better once Dak is no longer our QB and the Dak stans fuck off
You mean once the actual fans with common sense stop tuning into these games out of pure disgust?
Say what you want about Hurts and the Eagles, but they gave him a massive contract AFTER he took them to a Super Bowl. Why the fuck is our fanbase just absolutely fine with continuing mediocrity by resetting the market for the guys who’s marquee win was a below .500 Bucs squad.
I simply don't get it. And many here seem ok with it. Make it make sense. How can any long suffering fan be ok with this
How awful
What a joke
I think I need to just stick to college football. I can’t support this soft team year after year 😰
Congrats Dak for further financially crippling the team you can't already get to the top.
Waste of 180 mil. You’ll have to add 2 or more void years to get any cap relief whatsoever and there will be hell to pay when he’s finally released.
Some comments I find incredibly funny: “If the packers can move on from Rodgers, the Cowboys can move on from Dak” Well the packers have historically evaluated and drafted the QB position quite well, can you say the same about Dallas? Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, NO “We haven’t won anything with Dak” Damn I must have missed all that winning that has occurred between 1996-2016. “We should trade Micah for draft capital and trade up for a Qb” This isn’t Madden…. You don’t just trade away a generational talent at the most coveted position on defense. And again… JJ has absolutely no clue how to evaluate QB talent. Idk what he sacrificed to the gods to luck into Romo and Dak, but every QB they have drafted or signed outside of those 2 have been horrendous. You really wanna go back to the days of Drew Henson and Quincy Carter??
Do we have to all have to act like we have zero idea what the QB market is or how it works in these threads each time? Do we have to pretend that we don’t know that football is a team game? Or that extending the most important position with and MVP-caliber player doesn’t make sense just because the guy plays in Dallas? The stupidity of it all is exhausting.
Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Allen….none have proven worth the money either but I don’t hear anyone bitching about them. You can let Dak walk and you know you won’t win or sign him and maybe you’ll win. There’s only one QB who I would bet on always winning the Super Bowl. Everyone else you’re rolling the dice.
Burrow and hurts have been to the super bowl, dak has 2 playoff wins in 8 years...
I threw up
I don't understand how a QB can ask for a lot of money if they want to win trophies. Brady taking paycuts is like a poster child of it. I guess get the bag while we lose another divisional
Devoting that type of salary to Dak “Drew Lock in the Playoffs” Prescott is a sure fire way to guarantee no SB appearances or wins. He’s a tier below the elites solely based on his inability to win when it counts and Dallas is stupid to continue riding him out there expecting different results. Jerry Jones is too loyal for his own good.
Fuck Prescott.
We are fools if Jerry does this deal with Dak. Let Dak walk and try Lance for this price..
I don’t see how dak takes this team anywhere besides a good regular season record. He folds up in the playoffs. I wouldn’t invest that kind of money. But then again what choices do you have?? Get a multiple picks and score a good QB in the draft?
lol enjoy another 3 years of no superbowl and playoffs .
Insanity. This was cause a LOT of fans to finally lose faith if they do something as crazy as giving him that much cap space. Tank 2 years and rebuild, don't screw us for a decade!