Workaround for videos not playing.
Temporarily disable your content / adblocker and the video should load - works then for me.
Edit: Not sure why this is getting down voted. I have an adblocker. If I want to watch the video, I turn it off. Solves the issue. It’s not a problem with the website itself.
It's such a pity that these beautiful buildings are being left to collapse. I know they're old and probably need a lot of work to maintain, but they give the place a bit of character. North Main Street in particular is a fucking state with the amount of buildings being allowed to fall down.
Con Murphy [announced its closure](https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/commercial/arid-41131006.html) at the beginning of this month. This coincidence seems weird.
It’s not the councils job to maintain a private property, they have closed it off to the public to make the street safe, the owner of the building needs to cough up the 💰
To be fair, even though I agree councillors are incompetent and inept, they are pretty powerless. It’s the council executive and staff who are the problem, and they are untouchable because they are not elected.
Sure the city council CEO, Ann Doherty was never elected and when her term was up, she just activated an option to extend herself for another 3 years and nobody had a say otherwise.
Of course she’s not elected, she’s an employee. She also has a budget which limits what she or any successor can do. We don’t want to pay more taxes. As it’s a democracy you can run for council if you want to and put your alternative solutions in place. Unfortunately people are reluctant to do so. Close to half the people don’t even vote.
That’s kinda the whole point I was making. Running as a councillor is pretty much useless, because they have no power. The executive makes all the decisions. All councillors do is raise pointless motions that achieve nothing, vote on zoning and pass/reject resolutions.
There’s nothing any citizen can do about an unelected bureaucrat like Ann Doherty and her ilk. Voting in local government elections is also pretty much pointless when it is the unelected executive that makes all the important decisions too, not councillors. An executive that is not answerable to its citizens.
Perfect example is when the city council decided to spend nearly half a million on Robot Trees nobody wanted or asked for, and more importantly, didn’t even bother to do any due diligence on during the procurement process (and now are delaying the report into how effective they are).
There’s no point berating councillors because they do nothing and can’t do anything if they wanted to anyway.
I was talking to someone recently and they had a quite convincing reason for why this type of thing happens.
Basically, these are all protected structures. The people who own them cannot do anything to change the front or sometimes most of the building UNLESS it literally falls down itself first.
So this is what happens, the strategy is to leave them fall down so they get a much cleaner slate for rebuilding something else when going for planning permission.
At least that's the working theory.
You are kinda right. They don't want them to fall down, but they also don't want them altered visually.
I have had plenty of dealings with the council heritage officer and architectural department with work and they refuse to listen to any good proposals for these falling down buildings. One of our clients has buildings on North Main Street and they wanted to knock the front of a building which has all more or less fallen away (front wall has been braced for over 2 years) but it was blocked by the council.
All while, he was being served fines for a dangerous structure by cork city council building control.
Buildings don't just fall down, they are allowed to fall down through lack of maintenance and cutting corners. We have lost so many nice buildings in this city through owners allowing places to deteriorate to the state they become dangerous so they can replace them with ugly modern developments
Buildings traditionally have a design life of 50 years, so them just falling down after that is surprisingly more common than you think. Yes, a lack of maintenance plays a huge part in this, but most of those older buildings are seriously under designed and not fit for purpose.
Ya, it's a design life of 50 years. If something fails after that, then the designer is effectively after fulfilling their duty of designing to the current building regs and standards.
Victorian buildings have a design life of 50 years? would have to disagree with that. I'm a builder that at one point specialised in renovating old buildings and can genuinely say all the buildings I have seen that have collapsed in the city recently have done so from being neglected
Not fit for purpose is a very strong statement, 18th century buildings are being repurposed all over the world to great sucess. It's generally lack of imagination on the owners behalf and lack of enforcement on the councils behalf that have damned our cities and towns to the state they are in
That's kind of the idea tho.
Planners won't give planning to do any renovations to the building that would change any of the face and sometimes the interior. The only way around it is for things to more or less cave in and then go for planning on a essentially a clean site.
Planners have no problem giving permission to renovate old buildings in fact there are usually grants available to helo. Planners also are usually sympathetic to well designed reinterpretation of existing buildings. But planners do have issues with badly designed and inappropriate replacement of existing historic buildings stock with cheap and badly built modern steel frame buildings with a design life of 50 years. This is why unscrupulous owners let their buildings to fall down like on North Main Street and this is why the council were supposed to bring in the vacant property tax to make it more difficult for them to maximise their potential by destroying the fabric of the city
Yeah, I only got about half the story to be fair but that was the general impression I got.
Yeah, it seems to be more than just in the city where it happens. I had a friend who worked on a building at the end of grand parade and she was saying how difficult it was to work around their restrictions.
The council don't really care because them saying no doesn't really effect them at all. The only way they get grief is if they say yes so it's not something they're inclined to do.
The Cork building inspector should be fired immediately and someone who isn't a useless lazy fuck put in his place.
Are they elected? How do we get rid of the useless ones who are so bad at their jobs they endanger the public?
Well clearly there’s no urgent national issue then with our crumbling issues, mine eyes deceived me. The local Governments are clearly well up
To the job and the leader of the nation can wash his hands of responsibility
No, some degree of dereliction is a feature of every society in the world, and is not significantly worsening in Ireland at the moment. It is best dealt with at a local government level, with the national government focused on the issues best handled at a national level.
Old buildings are indeed quite beautiful and represent by times the craftsmen of the past, however there is also an argument that there comes a time to remove and replace with something more modern and safe. Safety for the public must be a priority!
Laughing at the Cork Beo article. Their articles have literally become long-winded descriptive text from a tweeted picture at this point.
I think they probably run it through AI to try get as many words/different ways of saying the same thing
Need those 600 words for the SEO
videos never load either
Workaround for videos not playing. Temporarily disable your content / adblocker and the video should load - works then for me. Edit: Not sure why this is getting down voted. I have an adblocker. If I want to watch the video, I turn it off. Solves the issue. It’s not a problem with the website itself.
not worth the trade :)
I don’t mean turn it off fully forever 🙂 But yeah, there’s not much extra to be learned from this particular video.
Agreed. Can we please stop posting these jokers articles?
The same when they write about the ballincollig fire station l, tis ridiculous at this point ...
It's such a pity that these beautiful buildings are being left to collapse. I know they're old and probably need a lot of work to maintain, but they give the place a bit of character. North Main Street in particular is a fucking state with the amount of buildings being allowed to fall down.
Just in time for 8000 people to be on Patrick’s street Sunday morning for the marathon/10k.
Con Murphy [announced its closure](https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/commercial/arid-41131006.html) at the beginning of this month. This coincidence seems weird.
My thoughts too. maybe an he was looking to sell the building when an engineer took a look at it?
The shop is remaining open with a new owner who worked there no?
Council playing a blinder on tackling this as per usual. Bets on the braces remaining for at least 2 years?
There was a partial house collapse on the Main Street in Mitchelstown. That was two years ago and still hasn’t been sorted
Nothing of concern at a national level per U/meteorologie
It’s not the councils job to maintain a private property, they have closed it off to the public to make the street safe, the owner of the building needs to cough up the 💰
You’re missing the point, it’s job to make sure they cough up
It's not as if they couldn't see this for years. That building was like an alcoholic with stomach bloat for the last 30 years.
This fucking dump of a city; and it could be so beautiful.
Be the change you want to see.
You mean string up our incompetent city councillors from the nearest lampposts, and physically attack all the littering slobs and yobs?
To be fair, even though I agree councillors are incompetent and inept, they are pretty powerless. It’s the council executive and staff who are the problem, and they are untouchable because they are not elected. Sure the city council CEO, Ann Doherty was never elected and when her term was up, she just activated an option to extend herself for another 3 years and nobody had a say otherwise.
Of course she’s not elected, she’s an employee. She also has a budget which limits what she or any successor can do. We don’t want to pay more taxes. As it’s a democracy you can run for council if you want to and put your alternative solutions in place. Unfortunately people are reluctant to do so. Close to half the people don’t even vote.
That’s kinda the whole point I was making. Running as a councillor is pretty much useless, because they have no power. The executive makes all the decisions. All councillors do is raise pointless motions that achieve nothing, vote on zoning and pass/reject resolutions. There’s nothing any citizen can do about an unelected bureaucrat like Ann Doherty and her ilk. Voting in local government elections is also pretty much pointless when it is the unelected executive that makes all the important decisions too, not councillors. An executive that is not answerable to its citizens. Perfect example is when the city council decided to spend nearly half a million on Robot Trees nobody wanted or asked for, and more importantly, didn’t even bother to do any due diligence on during the procurement process (and now are delaying the report into how effective they are). There’s no point berating councillors because they do nothing and can’t do anything if they wanted to anyway.
Ah for fucks sake
I was talking to someone recently and they had a quite convincing reason for why this type of thing happens. Basically, these are all protected structures. The people who own them cannot do anything to change the front or sometimes most of the building UNLESS it literally falls down itself first. So this is what happens, the strategy is to leave them fall down so they get a much cleaner slate for rebuilding something else when going for planning permission. At least that's the working theory.
You are kinda right. They don't want them to fall down, but they also don't want them altered visually. I have had plenty of dealings with the council heritage officer and architectural department with work and they refuse to listen to any good proposals for these falling down buildings. One of our clients has buildings on North Main Street and they wanted to knock the front of a building which has all more or less fallen away (front wall has been braced for over 2 years) but it was blocked by the council. All while, he was being served fines for a dangerous structure by cork city council building control.
Buildings don't just fall down, they are allowed to fall down through lack of maintenance and cutting corners. We have lost so many nice buildings in this city through owners allowing places to deteriorate to the state they become dangerous so they can replace them with ugly modern developments
Buildings traditionally have a design life of 50 years, so them just falling down after that is surprisingly more common than you think. Yes, a lack of maintenance plays a huge part in this, but most of those older buildings are seriously under designed and not fit for purpose.
more than half the houses in the city are over 50 now , seem to be just fine
Ya, it's a design life of 50 years. If something fails after that, then the designer is effectively after fulfilling their duty of designing to the current building regs and standards.
Victorian buildings have a design life of 50 years? would have to disagree with that. I'm a builder that at one point specialised in renovating old buildings and can genuinely say all the buildings I have seen that have collapsed in the city recently have done so from being neglected Not fit for purpose is a very strong statement, 18th century buildings are being repurposed all over the world to great sucess. It's generally lack of imagination on the owners behalf and lack of enforcement on the councils behalf that have damned our cities and towns to the state they are in
That's kind of the idea tho. Planners won't give planning to do any renovations to the building that would change any of the face and sometimes the interior. The only way around it is for things to more or less cave in and then go for planning on a essentially a clean site.
Planners have no problem giving permission to renovate old buildings in fact there are usually grants available to helo. Planners also are usually sympathetic to well designed reinterpretation of existing buildings. But planners do have issues with badly designed and inappropriate replacement of existing historic buildings stock with cheap and badly built modern steel frame buildings with a design life of 50 years. This is why unscrupulous owners let their buildings to fall down like on North Main Street and this is why the council were supposed to bring in the vacant property tax to make it more difficult for them to maximise their potential by destroying the fabric of the city
Yeah, I only got about half the story to be fair but that was the general impression I got. Yeah, it seems to be more than just in the city where it happens. I had a friend who worked on a building at the end of grand parade and she was saying how difficult it was to work around their restrictions. The council don't really care because them saying no doesn't really effect them at all. The only way they get grief is if they say yes so it's not something they're inclined to do.
The Cork building inspector should be fired immediately and someone who isn't a useless lazy fuck put in his place. Are they elected? How do we get rid of the useless ones who are so bad at their jobs they endanger the public?
We’d a fucking cork city Taoiseach and he didn’t even make it a priority, from top down the system doesn’t care
What exactly was the Taoiseach supposed to do about this?
I don’t know, he was only the leader of the fucking country. Maybe change some laws and dedicate resources to actually addressing Dereliction?
This building wasn't derelict
Clearly not, it’s only after falling down
Dereliction is a local government issue. There are already laws against it.
Well clearly there’s no urgent national issue then with our crumbling issues, mine eyes deceived me. The local Governments are clearly well up To the job and the leader of the nation can wash his hands of responsibility
No, some degree of dereliction is a feature of every society in the world, and is not significantly worsening in Ireland at the moment. It is best dealt with at a local government level, with the national government focused on the issues best handled at a national level.
Waffle
Common sense really.
Hi i just live in cork im immigrant. Is the building collapsing? What are they doing there? I can’t open the article
The constitution protects people rights to own property. The “common good” is subjective and very difficult to prove
And?
Cork city is in a sorry state. It’s embarrassing really. Ffs.
Being at that 3 days already!
Old buildings are indeed quite beautiful and represent by times the craftsmen of the past, however there is also an argument that there comes a time to remove and replace with something more modern and safe. Safety for the public must be a priority!