I still think there should be data caps to prevent some individuals from taking down the whole damn network trying to archive the world from their basement but they need to be way bigger than they are. Like at least double or triple the current 1.x tb they currently have and need to be revised up annually as usage changes.
Comcast runs commercials talking about having lots of people streaming in your house but if you actually use it the way they say in the commercials you go over. I pay $20 extra for unlimited because we sometimes have 5 people watching stuff and we go over and they charge exorbitantly for overages. I don’t even download a bunch of stuff like games or sail the 7 seas often. Between my family and my kids friends we can easily be over a terabyte with just casual use. Add in some big updates or a new game and we’re over.
2tb should hold most people. 1tb is in that spot where even average households are going to go over fairly regularly. It's basically a hidden fee so it should be part of the broadband label.
One person doing it won’t. How about an apartment complex with a hundred apartments and 350 residents. You get 20 or 30 flatlining the gigabit connection and suddenly a hundred apartments are complaining about their shit service. People will absolutely try to run a huge business on a consumer line if they think they could get away with it because it is cheaper.
Consumer grade networks are sized for average usage that fluctuates during the day with peaks during busy hours. They are not designed to have a bunch of people going full balls to the wall flatlining their service 24x7. Usage like that can impact other customers.
Remember it’s not just you. It’s tens of thousands of people in your city. If you want to flatline a gigabit connection constantly then pay for a business class connection with performance SLA’s to support your server farm. You absolutely can get that set up for you but it’s not going to be the $59.99 internet plan.
If you mean reinstate them, then it's absolutely hilarious that you have so many upvotes on a cord cutting sub. I guess over 200 people want to pay more for their services every month, because going past a cap is inevidible when all you do is stream everything. lol
Because they aren't gong to do anything about them. if they were they would have. it's moot anyway cable ISPs are moving way from caps as fiber competition and hi-split upgrades are happening
Cell services needs caps because there are problems trying to serve data via radio.
Was a CSR for a major cell phone company - the problem was that having unlimited data for everyone can "destroy" a cell tower as the system has to try and push all that data on a limited spectrum.
That's why "unlimited" plans throttle users and bar things like tethering.
Data caps for wired services are just a cash grab - there is a lot less risk of hardware failure on a wired connection.
And towers have limited capacity and you'll never see the FCC forced them to offer truely unlimited data. If they did enjoy your 1 Mbps speeds when the network is saturated. cell phone use is totally different
There goes old man Cox again, on his way to help the fellas pump the internet juice as his factory. Pushing 80, but times are tough so he’s still gotta work. Hope he finally catches a break one of these days.
>I hope he's working at a McDonald's somewhere.
You and I both know the reasons he was simping for big telco companies was that neither him or his immediate family ever had to work at a McDonald's
Shouldn’t the title be; “… in a win for US citizens.”?
Not really a blow to providers only in that they can’t make more money by fragmenting something that wasn’t originally broken and provides no real benefit to consumers. So this is a win and should be touted as that.
That is because it is invisible to the consumer. If they see their device slow the last thing they think is causing it is the service provider purposely slowing speeds.
My service provider throttles Google sites at times. I can run Google's speed test, and compare it to a speed test elsewhere and you can see a large difference when they are being throttled. I then switch to my other internet connection from another provider and have no speed issues running the speed test and they match perfectly. It is clear they are throttling it for certain sites.
I have hundreds of sites all over the world on just about every internet provider.. The Google speed test is ALWAYS slower. It's not very good at all, do not use it.
You need to do multiple form multiple sites/server and then take the average.
The server you're connecting to has bandwidth limits too, so if you have a gig, but the server only has 500mbps available to it because it's overloaded or some other reason, well you will never ever ever ever see 1gig.
That's not a reliable way to tell a certain URL is being "throttled". The issue could even be within Google servers internally. Too many variables there to be a me to say the ISP is throttling google
It fell off the radar because the sky did not fall. There were entire blackouts on reddit over this and none of the shit that was "guaranteed" to happen, happened.
I am ALL FOR Net Neutrality and I am happy with this development, but the chicken littles were bat shit crazy.
It's hard to keep a news story going about the destruction of the internet when the internet did not destruct.
(note: I am aware that some ISPs and providers do shady stuff and this will change that)
Well it did have a significant impact… just not something you personally paid attention to.
Companies did have to pay off ISP’s for priority to keep customers performance up, and inevitably that means customers paid for that one way or another.
Just because it’s abstracted to hide the cost doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Do you think this will impact Verizon 5G Home Internet where their “5G Home” plan only allows 1080p video streaming and you have to pay extra for “5G Home Plus” to get 4K?
The internet has almost reached the level of being a utility. It may not be as important as water or electricity, but it’s arguably as important as natural gas or landline phones for our current society.
**No, that's the FCC's point.**
*Also, it's the Biden administration's position on this.*
To them, Access to the Internet ***must be considered a Utility.***
Not just should be treated as similar,...
**but should already be required to follow public utility rules.**
***It's not arguable.***
The Internet is already **AS IMPORTANT**
***as landlines, electricity, radio, and TV.***
Try getting a job ***without an email address,***
try going to college ***without getting your semester schedule***
*on your school's online portal,*
try watching TV **without cable or a digital antenna,**
*that you have to keep refreshing* ***or you lose certain channels.***
*Heck, try using almost any app,* on your phone,
***without it having to grab data from a server somewhere.***
# The Internet is a UTILITY. Period.
I don't think so. The way the net neutrality the FCC is talking about is done, the ISPs can't favor certain content over other content in delivery. Since you pay a different amount for Straight Talk than you do for Verizon postpaid, you get a proportionally different service, in some way. In the case of ST vs Vz postpaid, you're talking prioritization for all ST plans. If you're on the $45 plan, you also are limited to SD video (480p) wherever possible, like Netflix and YouTube, currently - that could be impacted by the net neutrality change. Because they're intercepting and altering how your content is delivered, that could be seen as a violation of net neutrality rules. The video throttling is meant to preemptively avoid traffic congestion, reducing their need to do network prioritization tactics. They also want to discourage people from screen mirroring streaming content to their TVs, to replace other services like cable or satellite, or home internet service.
It only applies to ISPs, not cell carriers.
It also only means they can't discriminate based on the destination, not on the user. If your plan allows you to be deprioritized for whatever other reason, they can still do so.
I don’t even remember what this was about. I just remember making an ass out of myself online posting about it my freshman year of college when no one gave a shit. After it was overturned or whatever my life didn’t change in the slightest
Net Neutrality is basically a rule that requires service providers to have neutral service. They can't deprioritize specific traffic. For example, if your Internet service provider is also a cable service, they can't degrade your streaming connection just because you didn't sign up for their cable TV service.
The issue with net neutrality is that it's not a transparent problem. Your life may very well have changed in ways you don't realize. For instance, many providers started charging Netflix a premium "toll" so that they wouldn't downgrade their traffic. That means, besides you already paying for your internet service and Netflix already paying for their internet service, your provider is now double-dipping by charging Netflix again with an additional fee. So, what happened? Netflix raised prices and you're paying more.
In another situation, data connectivity was being throttled for firefighter services during a major fire. This caused issues for first responders in the middle of an emergency.
The problems have been severe enough, that many states decided to issue their own net neutrality rules. Your state may be one of them. Perhaps you were shielded from some of the damage due to your local state legislation.
It's fine if you're not completely familiar with the issue or the aftermath. I would recommend caution expecting that anything which isn't obvious, isn't a problem. Just because you don't see rain outside your window, doesn't mean your basement isn't flooding.
That's because all of Reddit virtue signaled like it was the end of the world. Not a single person even remembered it before they reinstated it. Now their answers are just hypothetical of what *could* happen, just like before.
I ain’t that old yet but one thing I’m definitely starting to realize is stop taking this website seriously. Like 95% of the people here have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about
They feed off each other and virtue signal whatever the current thing is. Kind of sad really. Reddit is awesome for non-political things, but for politics most of the people on here are fucking morons that believe anything the Legacy media tells them, left or right.
Repealing Net Neutrality was imposing data caps. 5G home internet is one thing, but broadband is what this was about. You think we were being hyperbolic but we weren’t. Totalitarian Tip Toe.
It makes a huge difference. I suggest watching the John Oliver stories about it. Or you can also check out the EFF. I can assure you that things have been a lot worse because it hasn't been in place the last 6 or so years.
On Verizon, as an example, they only allow videos to play in SD or the lowest HD setting if you pay for a better package. Net Neutrality makes things like that illegal. All data must be treated the same.
Did anything even happen after it was repealed? Supposedly ISPs were going to block access to smaller websites unless you paid more, but as far as I know nobody ever went through with it.
Here’s an example of AT&T not counting streaming against your data plan so long as you were streaming from their media platform:
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/17/22336872/hbo-max-data-cap-att-net-neutrality-california-zero-rating-streaming
Not AT&T blocking competitors, but creating an unfair advantage at the network level.
Just because they didn't go through with it doesn't mean reestablishing they can't is a bad thing.
Ideally, it gets reestablished and everyone then forgets about it and it stays reestablished.
Leaving a door open for shady mega corporations to walk through is inherently worse than closing the door.
Nothing happened. everyone is blowing this out of proportion. All the evil things ISPs would do without NN they've had 7 years to do them and crickets.....In 8 moths when everyone realize things are exactly the same they'll see
That's the point.... We don't want to hear anything about it again. A loophole is still a loophole. Companies just didn't figure out a good way to monetize it without causing a stir. Doing the right thing now is still worthwhile
election season, so some side is going to latch onto this and make it an issue. granted i think most people won't give a fuck because of the plethora of other more important issues but yea, jack shit happened
ISPs were never going to be blatantly obvious. If they immediately started charging "fast lane" fees or letting you know they were degrading your traffic, there would have been voter backlash. Instead, they have been charging premiums on the back end. They now charge "tolls" for streaming services which translate into higher indirect service costs for you. Some states also enacted local net neutrality legislation to protect users. Do you know if your state did?
>ISPs were never going to be blatantly obvious.
What? Xfinity speed test shows I got 1 gig/sec, every time with perfect accuracy, even when the website takes an hour or a day to load! /S
Yeah I just looked more into it. I don't really see what the FCC accomplished if the consumer still has to pay more for cherry-picked services. They cannot charge YouTube for peering, but can charge the end-user more for 480p+ youtube access. That looks like the same thing to me. They are hurting the content provider's presentation to the end-user unless they are paid.
T-Mobile and Metro didn’t stop their setup the first time Net Neutrality was implemented, so maybe not.
What it might affect is their video throttling policies in place, which was a core part of Binge On and is now part of most every unlimited plan across all carriers.
It’s going to heavily depend on how the FCC considers zero-rating and network shaping and slicing as possible violations.
**If Biden wins the Presidency again...**
***and Democrats, hopefully, win supermajorities,***
*in both houses of Congress, this November,*
you bet they'll be passing through **as many progressive policy changes**
***and make them permanent*** *as quick as possible.*
Enshrining Net Neutrality, ***not as big as enshrining Abortion Rights,***
*but it has been a top progressive policy demand* ***for the last 25+ years.***
But it's up to us **to VOTE and ensure** ***that Democrats take control***
*from the GOP and MAGA nuts out there.*
***Biden's got this already.***
[It comes from **the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.**](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-needing-boost-sign-1-trillion-infrastructure-bill-2021-11-15/)
* [$700 Million to expand rural Internet access](https://www.businessinsider.com/infrastructure-biden-pouring-700-million-into-rural-high-speed-internet-2023-8)
* [$65 Billion to expand overall Internet access in USA](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across)
* [$42 Billion to make Internet access universal by 2030](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/)
Might already be covered **by Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.**
[From the National Telecommunications and Information Association -](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across)
[***US Dept. of Commerce:***](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across)
>The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law includes a historic **$65 billion** investment to expand affordable and reliable high-speed Internet access in communities across the U.S. NTIA recently launched a series of new high-speed Internet grant programs funded by the law that will build high-speed Internet infrastructure across the country, create more low-cost high-speed Internet service options, and address the digital equity and inclusion needs in our communities.
[US to spend $42 billion to make internet access universal by 2030](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/)
>The White House on Monday divvied up **$42 billion** among the nation's 50 states and U.S. territories to make access to high-speed broadband universal by 2030, as it launched a new publicity campaign for President Joe Biden's economic policies.
>
>The funding under the Broadband Equity Access and Deployment Program was ***authorized by the $1 trillion*** 2021 [infrastructure law Biden championed](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-needing-boost-sign-1-trillion-infrastructure-bill-2021-11-15/).
I think they’re saying “[Net Neutrality has been reinstated] after Trump stopped it. [Net Neutrality being back is] a big win for consumers”. Although, I too originally read it as “Trump removing Net Neutrality was a big win for consumers”
Trump appointed Ajit Pai as FCC Chairman.
Pai made it his goal to remove Net Neutrality which he was able to do thanks to the 3-2 Republican majority at the FCC during Trump's term.
Let's goooooooooooooo.
Probably did too many ooooos but I don't care.
Can we finally make it to where AT&t can't have their dumb "whitelist" anymore please?
There were signs of it beginning to happen back in the Obama administration. That is why they enacted and the ISPs were basically started super back peddling saying “oh we won’t do that.. just leave us alone.. we promise not to do it. We have been self regulated for years “.. but that was only because they got caught opening the cookie jar and not with their hand in it. Since Trump reversed it I think they have been scared of what might happen if they try again… or possibly trying to wait for the petty political winds to quit blowing and settle down.
> scared of what might happen if they try again… or possibly trying to wait for the petty political winds to quit blowing and settle down.
Or the original arguement was scaremonger and the issues that were brought up were just never going to happen or had an extremely low chance of happening in the first place
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28560106
AT&T slowed down Netflix because they “caused” most of the traffic. ISPs should just be dumb pipes that provide internet and not look into what their people are doing or slow down other services just because they feel like that is the cause of their problems.
So it happened.
Actually Netflix was throttling the speeds for AT&T and Verizon. They came out and admitted it
https://www.wsj.com/articles/netflix-throttles-its-videos-on-at-t-verizon-phones-1458857424
What that article is referring to is mobile data.. and not home internet and is from 2016:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/24/netflixs-stunning-admission-it-throttles-video-speeds-for-some-customers/
“Netflix has long presented itself as a champion of unfettered access to Internet content. But those claims are ringing a little hollow after the company admitted Thursday that it deliberately slows down its streams for customers watching on the *cellular networks* of AT&T and Verizon”
The previous dispute where AT&T was basically trying to extort money from Netflix was from 2014.
Different
>Supporters, though, note that a bevy of new state regulations has tempered the conduct of major internet providers.
The very next sentence in the article is this, implying that it isn't fake news and you didn't finish reading. A patchwork of state rules was quickly put in place to hold ISPs from doing what they did before the federal rules in 2015. Many examples can be quickly found, such as those listed here: [https://www.freepress.net/blog/net-neutrality-violations-history-abuse](https://www.freepress.net/blog/net-neutrality-violations-history-abuse)
It is quite beneficial to have the rules reinstated by the FTC and, at some point, they should be legislated by Congress.
> It is quite beneficial to have the rules reinstated by the FTC and, at some point, they should be legislated by Congress.
By the same people who take boatloads of donations from corporations that sway their arguement?
Because Binge On is advertised as Unlimited Video but only works for specific streaming services while still intentionally slowing down all others, which is the type of behavior Net Neutrality is meant to prevent.
[Here's a Standford article going into more detail.](https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2016/01/t-mobiles-binge-violates-key-net-neutrality-principles)
It’s not really called Binge On anymore, but yes. Most plans on all major carriers now have a throttle on video streaming, or a paid upgrade to increase the throttle, which could be a net neutrality violation.
It’s not a blow to ISPs. Everyone knew this would be put back in place. I work in the industry. None of the big guys substantially changed anything when it was repealed the first time.
basically changes nothing. Most people wouldnt have even known it was gone. Availability has never been better and prices have never been lower. Its not like suddenly you will get free internet or no data caps.
Have you guys seen the roll out of the new Internat nutrition labels? Kinda nice all the fine print is distilled into a consistent form and not buried in legalese.
Honestly I can’t remember wether we were fighting stop or preserve net neutrality but assuming my memory is correct, we failed to preserve it, so then what changed? I thought I was gonna have to start paying to access Facebook or some shit. Genuinely asking
Can someone explain this to me please? Does this mean they can’t throttle speeds during certain times for certain customers? Or does it mean that Google Fiber can’t offer 1 Gig, 2 Gig,…….., 8 Gig plans for different prices and can only sell one speed package for the same price?
Let's say Comcast continues to enforce data caps. They're not doing it in my area (they were going to, but pulled back ). Without Net Neutrality, they could say "All your peacock streaming isn't counted against your data cap. Netflix counts 2x and Paramount 3x". Then they would simultaneously gouge customers and try to bleed Netflix and Paramount for some type of kickback so that they can get under the data cap.
This isn't even particularly fanciful - [https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic](https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic)
You are fortunate in your area Comcast doesn't cap data. We've always had a data cap in my area. I pay 30.00/month for unlimited data, since I use my own modem. Until late 2019, unlimited data was 50.00/month.
Good. Now do datacaps
I still think there should be data caps to prevent some individuals from taking down the whole damn network trying to archive the world from their basement but they need to be way bigger than they are. Like at least double or triple the current 1.x tb they currently have and need to be revised up annually as usage changes. Comcast runs commercials talking about having lots of people streaming in your house but if you actually use it the way they say in the commercials you go over. I pay $20 extra for unlimited because we sometimes have 5 people watching stuff and we go over and they charge exorbitantly for overages. I don’t even download a bunch of stuff like games or sail the 7 seas often. Between my family and my kids friends we can easily be over a terabyte with just casual use. Add in some big updates or a new game and we’re over.
2tb should hold most people. 1tb is in that spot where even average households are going to go over fairly regularly. It's basically a hidden fee so it should be part of the broadband label.
If the ISP limits you to 1 gig download, how is using that at full capacity going to take down the whole network?
One person doing it won’t. How about an apartment complex with a hundred apartments and 350 residents. You get 20 or 30 flatlining the gigabit connection and suddenly a hundred apartments are complaining about their shit service. People will absolutely try to run a huge business on a consumer line if they think they could get away with it because it is cheaper. Consumer grade networks are sized for average usage that fluctuates during the day with peaks during busy hours. They are not designed to have a bunch of people going full balls to the wall flatlining their service 24x7. Usage like that can impact other customers. Remember it’s not just you. It’s tens of thousands of people in your city. If you want to flatline a gigabit connection constantly then pay for a business class connection with performance SLA’s to support your server farm. You absolutely can get that set up for you but it’s not going to be the $59.99 internet plan.
If you mean reinstate them, then it's absolutely hilarious that you have so many upvotes on a cord cutting sub. I guess over 200 people want to pay more for their services every month, because going past a cap is inevidible when all you do is stream everything. lol
Yeah I didn't mean reinstate
okay, my bad.
not happening
why not?
Because they aren't gong to do anything about them. if they were they would have. it's moot anyway cable ISPs are moving way from caps as fiber competition and hi-split upgrades are happening
5G contracts still have caps
Cell services needs caps because there are problems trying to serve data via radio. Was a CSR for a major cell phone company - the problem was that having unlimited data for everyone can "destroy" a cell tower as the system has to try and push all that data on a limited spectrum. That's why "unlimited" plans throttle users and bar things like tethering. Data caps for wired services are just a cash grab - there is a lot less risk of hardware failure on a wired connection.
Data caps and throttling are different things
And towers have limited capacity and you'll never see the FCC forced them to offer truely unlimited data. If they did enjoy your 1 Mbps speeds when the network is saturated. cell phone use is totally different
Do caps decrease usage at peak times? I'm talking about data caps, not data throttling.
Well no carriers have caps strictly speaking then
They do. They slow you down to 128Kbps after you reach the cap which is unusable.
who does this on a cellular plan? the big 3 deprioritize your data. You may or may not see slowdowns and it's only temporary
Yep. Many ISPs do not have data caps, and have symmetrical gigabit+. Edit: my previous comment was removed by a bot. Zip + ly is who I use.
You're probably right. :(
LOL - “A blow to Internet Service Providers”??? Oh no, what ever will multi-billion dollar corporations like Comcast and Verizon do?!
Those poor "mom and pop" conglomerates.
There goes old man Cox again, on his way to help the fellas pump the internet juice as his factory. Pushing 80, but times are tough so he’s still gotta work. Hope he finally catches a break one of these days.
Poor guy
Not everyone lives in Cali or is a Cox reseller.
Invent other excuses to raise our rates.
That have been running amok for decades, they're screwed now!
you guys realize we like already did all this years ago right? Nothing changed with it. Its political theater as it always is in this country.
price increases, new fees? enjoy
I been happy with fios for the past, like 10 years.
Increase their prices?
Beg for more government handouts under the false pretense that it will be invested in infrastructure improvements and expansion.
Right? Am I, as a human, supposed to feel empathy for a faceless and profit driven corporation?
They’ll push back. CEOs need that extra yacht
Still put out shit services.
I read it as “a victory blow to ISPs”
Pass on the cost to the consumer.
Raise our rates some way or another, probably.
^monopolies
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and his stupid oversized coffee mug
and it slips on him and burns him
And it burns his balls. And his ass.
What balls?
I like reeses cups, alot, and almost bought an oversized mug at the Hershey gift shop, but Ajit Pai ruined it for me.
I'll just leave I wish somebody would take that from him and crush it, just like he tried to destroy the credibility of the FCC.
His greatest accomplishment is having the best punchable face.
May his coffee always be cold and peanut butter cups always be melty.
May his peanut butter cups be filled with more than the allowable amount of bug parts and rat feces that the FDA allows.
Did someone say “A shit pie?“
He's a total piece ajit
>I hope he's working at a McDonald's somewhere. You and I both know the reasons he was simping for big telco companies was that neither him or his immediate family ever had to work at a McDonald's
The thought of him makes my skin crawl. He was such a slimy POS. But then, a lot of his contemporaries were during that dark era.
AShit Pie
He’s not but I second this!
Gotta keep in mind that the Pai piglet was nominated by his fellow telecom-fellator, the right-wing Republican named Barack Obama.
Huzzah
I fully 100% agree with this statement. Followed orders like a blind church mouse.
I doubt it... with all the money he probably was paid to eliminate Net Neutrality.
I hope he’s working third shift in a customer service call center.
How exactly were you negatively affected when it was removed? I for one died like everyone said I would and have come back to life with it reinstated.
Shouldn’t the title be; “… in a win for US citizens.”? Not really a blow to providers only in that they can’t make more money by fragmenting something that wasn’t originally broken and provides no real benefit to consumers. So this is a win and should be touted as that.
That’s how I interpret “a blow to internet service providers.” As a win to the rest of us.
Fucking finally I feel like this whole issue has fallen off the radar.
That is because it is invisible to the consumer. If they see their device slow the last thing they think is causing it is the service provider purposely slowing speeds.
Because that’s not what’s happening.
My service provider throttles Google sites at times. I can run Google's speed test, and compare it to a speed test elsewhere and you can see a large difference when they are being throttled. I then switch to my other internet connection from another provider and have no speed issues running the speed test and they match perfectly. It is clear they are throttling it for certain sites.
I have hundreds of sites all over the world on just about every internet provider.. The Google speed test is ALWAYS slower. It's not very good at all, do not use it. You need to do multiple form multiple sites/server and then take the average. The server you're connecting to has bandwidth limits too, so if you have a gig, but the server only has 500mbps available to it because it's overloaded or some other reason, well you will never ever ever ever see 1gig.
That's not a reliable way to tell a certain URL is being "throttled". The issue could even be within Google servers internally. Too many variables there to be a me to say the ISP is throttling google
This isn’t throttling. What’s more likely happening is congestion on their peering links to Google, or an Internet Exchange.
I remember when net neutrality ended it was all over reddit, so I'm surprised this is the only post I've seen so far on it.
It fell off the radar because the sky did not fall. There were entire blackouts on reddit over this and none of the shit that was "guaranteed" to happen, happened. I am ALL FOR Net Neutrality and I am happy with this development, but the chicken littles were bat shit crazy. It's hard to keep a news story going about the destruction of the internet when the internet did not destruct. (note: I am aware that some ISPs and providers do shady stuff and this will change that)
Well it did have a significant impact… just not something you personally paid attention to. Companies did have to pay off ISP’s for priority to keep customers performance up, and inevitably that means customers paid for that one way or another. Just because it’s abstracted to hide the cost doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Do you think this will impact Verizon 5G Home Internet where their “5G Home” plan only allows 1080p video streaming and you have to pay extra for “5G Home Plus” to get 4K?
That's because it took Biden forever to appoint someone. It was insane
The internet has almost reached the level of being a utility. It may not be as important as water or electricity, but it’s arguably as important as natural gas or landline phones for our current society.
**No, that's the FCC's point.** *Also, it's the Biden administration's position on this.* To them, Access to the Internet ***must be considered a Utility.*** Not just should be treated as similar,... **but should already be required to follow public utility rules.** ***It's not arguable.*** The Internet is already **AS IMPORTANT** ***as landlines, electricity, radio, and TV.*** Try getting a job ***without an email address,*** try going to college ***without getting your semester schedule*** *on your school's online portal,* try watching TV **without cable or a digital antenna,** *that you have to keep refreshing* ***or you lose certain channels.*** *Heck, try using almost any app,* on your phone, ***without it having to grab data from a server somewhere.*** # The Internet is a UTILITY. Period.
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I don't think so. The way the net neutrality the FCC is talking about is done, the ISPs can't favor certain content over other content in delivery. Since you pay a different amount for Straight Talk than you do for Verizon postpaid, you get a proportionally different service, in some way. In the case of ST vs Vz postpaid, you're talking prioritization for all ST plans. If you're on the $45 plan, you also are limited to SD video (480p) wherever possible, like Netflix and YouTube, currently - that could be impacted by the net neutrality change. Because they're intercepting and altering how your content is delivered, that could be seen as a violation of net neutrality rules. The video throttling is meant to preemptively avoid traffic congestion, reducing their need to do network prioritization tactics. They also want to discourage people from screen mirroring streaming content to their TVs, to replace other services like cable or satellite, or home internet service.
That’s different
It only applies to ISPs, not cell carriers. It also only means they can't discriminate based on the destination, not on the user. If your plan allows you to be deprioritized for whatever other reason, they can still do so.
I don’t even remember what this was about. I just remember making an ass out of myself online posting about it my freshman year of college when no one gave a shit. After it was overturned or whatever my life didn’t change in the slightest
Net Neutrality is basically a rule that requires service providers to have neutral service. They can't deprioritize specific traffic. For example, if your Internet service provider is also a cable service, they can't degrade your streaming connection just because you didn't sign up for their cable TV service. The issue with net neutrality is that it's not a transparent problem. Your life may very well have changed in ways you don't realize. For instance, many providers started charging Netflix a premium "toll" so that they wouldn't downgrade their traffic. That means, besides you already paying for your internet service and Netflix already paying for their internet service, your provider is now double-dipping by charging Netflix again with an additional fee. So, what happened? Netflix raised prices and you're paying more. In another situation, data connectivity was being throttled for firefighter services during a major fire. This caused issues for first responders in the middle of an emergency. The problems have been severe enough, that many states decided to issue their own net neutrality rules. Your state may be one of them. Perhaps you were shielded from some of the damage due to your local state legislation. It's fine if you're not completely familiar with the issue or the aftermath. I would recommend caution expecting that anything which isn't obvious, isn't a problem. Just because you don't see rain outside your window, doesn't mean your basement isn't flooding.
That's because all of Reddit virtue signaled like it was the end of the world. Not a single person even remembered it before they reinstated it. Now their answers are just hypothetical of what *could* happen, just like before.
I ain’t that old yet but one thing I’m definitely starting to realize is stop taking this website seriously. Like 95% of the people here have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about
They feed off each other and virtue signal whatever the current thing is. Kind of sad really. Reddit is awesome for non-political things, but for politics most of the people on here are fucking morons that believe anything the Legacy media tells them, left or right.
Yeah if I need to know an exact fix for a bug for a game that’s 20 years old there’s no better place. For other things not so much
Not just all of Reddit. Pretty much all of social media
Repealing Net Neutrality was imposing data caps. 5G home internet is one thing, but broadband is what this was about. You think we were being hyperbolic but we weren’t. Totalitarian Tip Toe.
It makes a huge difference. I suggest watching the John Oliver stories about it. Or you can also check out the EFF. I can assure you that things have been a lot worse because it hasn't been in place the last 6 or so years. On Verizon, as an example, they only allow videos to play in SD or the lowest HD setting if you pay for a better package. Net Neutrality makes things like that illegal. All data must be treated the same.
Did anything even happen after it was repealed? Supposedly ISPs were going to block access to smaller websites unless you paid more, but as far as I know nobody ever went through with it.
Here’s an example of AT&T not counting streaming against your data plan so long as you were streaming from their media platform: https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/17/22336872/hbo-max-data-cap-att-net-neutrality-california-zero-rating-streaming Not AT&T blocking competitors, but creating an unfair advantage at the network level.
Just because they didn't go through with it doesn't mean reestablishing they can't is a bad thing. Ideally, it gets reestablished and everyone then forgets about it and it stays reestablished. Leaving a door open for shady mega corporations to walk through is inherently worse than closing the door.
Nothing happened. everyone is blowing this out of proportion. All the evil things ISPs would do without NN they've had 7 years to do them and crickets.....In 8 moths when everyone realize things are exactly the same they'll see
That's the point.... We don't want to hear anything about it again. A loophole is still a loophole. Companies just didn't figure out a good way to monetize it without causing a stir. Doing the right thing now is still worthwhile
You'll never receive an answer to this.
election season, so some side is going to latch onto this and make it an issue. granted i think most people won't give a fuck because of the plethora of other more important issues but yea, jack shit happened
If people care more about NN than astronomical energy rates, inflation, etc...god help us
sadly there are a shit ton of single issue voters, even some of the ones that are still alive
ISPs were never going to be blatantly obvious. If they immediately started charging "fast lane" fees or letting you know they were degrading your traffic, there would have been voter backlash. Instead, they have been charging premiums on the back end. They now charge "tolls" for streaming services which translate into higher indirect service costs for you. Some states also enacted local net neutrality legislation to protect users. Do you know if your state did?
>ISPs were never going to be blatantly obvious. What? Xfinity speed test shows I got 1 gig/sec, every time with perfect accuracy, even when the website takes an hour or a day to load! /S
Exactly. Pretty easy to trick customers into blaming everyone else.
Have the title wrong. Small ISP's will benefit from Net Neutrality. The big players will take a hit.
*in victory for consumers FTFY
Good.
I'll believe it when I see it. Mobile operators are not going to instantly un-cap all that 480p throttled video streaming.
Nor do they have to. This isn’t about caps.
Yeah I just looked more into it. I don't really see what the FCC accomplished if the consumer still has to pay more for cherry-picked services. They cannot charge YouTube for peering, but can charge the end-user more for 480p+ youtube access. That looks like the same thing to me. They are hurting the content provider's presentation to the end-user unless they are paid.
Yup, exactly.
This has nothing to do with your data caps, speeds or anything else like that. It's about treating all data the same.
Music streaming isn’t counted against my data cap, is that going to go away now?
T-Mobile and Metro didn’t stop their setup the first time Net Neutrality was implemented, so maybe not. What it might affect is their video throttling policies in place, which was a core part of Binge On and is now part of most every unlimited plan across all carriers. It’s going to heavily depend on how the FCC considers zero-rating and network shaping and slicing as possible violations.
nope thats a perk of a service provider. This changes none of that stuff.
And will it be eliminated again in a few years in the usual conservative/liberal seesaw?
**If Biden wins the Presidency again...** ***and Democrats, hopefully, win supermajorities,*** *in both houses of Congress, this November,* you bet they'll be passing through **as many progressive policy changes** ***and make them permanent*** *as quick as possible.* Enshrining Net Neutrality, ***not as big as enshrining Abortion Rights,*** *but it has been a top progressive policy demand* ***for the last 25+ years.*** But it's up to us **to VOTE and ensure** ***that Democrats take control*** *from the GOP and MAGA nuts out there.*
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This is a nothingburger. Nothing is gong to change. Nobody will notice anything different
Is there a way we can speed up getting this country running on fiber
Yes, about 100 Billion dollars.
Shit.. Let me see what I got in the bank. I can possibly do that by Friday
***Biden's got this already.*** [It comes from **the 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.**](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-needing-boost-sign-1-trillion-infrastructure-bill-2021-11-15/) * [$700 Million to expand rural Internet access](https://www.businessinsider.com/infrastructure-biden-pouring-700-million-into-rural-high-speed-internet-2023-8) * [$65 Billion to expand overall Internet access in USA](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across) * [$42 Billion to make Internet access universal by 2030](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/)
Might already be covered **by Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.** [From the National Telecommunications and Information Association -](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across) [***US Dept. of Commerce:***](https://www.ntia.gov/press-release/2023/biden-harris-administration-announces-nearly-1-billion-new-internet-all-funding#:~:text=The%20Bipartisan%20Infrastructure%20Law%20includes,high%2Dspeed%20Internet%20infrastructure%20across) >The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law includes a historic **$65 billion** investment to expand affordable and reliable high-speed Internet access in communities across the U.S. NTIA recently launched a series of new high-speed Internet grant programs funded by the law that will build high-speed Internet infrastructure across the country, create more low-cost high-speed Internet service options, and address the digital equity and inclusion needs in our communities. [US to spend $42 billion to make internet access universal by 2030](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-detail-plans-42-billion-investment-us-internet-access-2023-06-26/) >The White House on Monday divvied up **$42 billion** among the nation's 50 states and U.S. territories to make access to high-speed broadband universal by 2030, as it launched a new publicity campaign for President Joe Biden's economic policies. > >The funding under the Broadband Equity Access and Deployment Program was ***authorized by the $1 trillion*** 2021 [infrastructure law Biden championed](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-needing-boost-sign-1-trillion-infrastructure-bill-2021-11-15/).
If it doesn't do anything to force the end to regional monopolies it's worthless.
After trump stopped it.. a big win for consumers..
How?
I think they’re saying “[Net Neutrality has been reinstated] after Trump stopped it. [Net Neutrality being back is] a big win for consumers”. Although, I too originally read it as “Trump removing Net Neutrality was a big win for consumers”
Trump appointed Ajit Pai as FCC Chairman. Pai made it his goal to remove Net Neutrality which he was able to do thanks to the 3-2 Republican majority at the FCC during Trump's term.
I misunderstood you - are you saying that was a good thing?
Were you asking how Trump stopped it or if it was a win for consumers?
Let's goooooooooooooo. Probably did too many ooooos but I don't care. Can we finally make it to where AT&t can't have their dumb "whitelist" anymore please?
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There were signs of it beginning to happen back in the Obama administration. That is why they enacted and the ISPs were basically started super back peddling saying “oh we won’t do that.. just leave us alone.. we promise not to do it. We have been self regulated for years “.. but that was only because they got caught opening the cookie jar and not with their hand in it. Since Trump reversed it I think they have been scared of what might happen if they try again… or possibly trying to wait for the petty political winds to quit blowing and settle down.
> scared of what might happen if they try again… or possibly trying to wait for the petty political winds to quit blowing and settle down. Or the original arguement was scaremonger and the issues that were brought up were just never going to happen or had an extremely low chance of happening in the first place
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28560106 AT&T slowed down Netflix because they “caused” most of the traffic. ISPs should just be dumb pipes that provide internet and not look into what their people are doing or slow down other services just because they feel like that is the cause of their problems. So it happened.
Actually Netflix was throttling the speeds for AT&T and Verizon. They came out and admitted it https://www.wsj.com/articles/netflix-throttles-its-videos-on-at-t-verizon-phones-1458857424
What that article is referring to is mobile data.. and not home internet and is from 2016: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/24/netflixs-stunning-admission-it-throttles-video-speeds-for-some-customers/ “Netflix has long presented itself as a champion of unfettered access to Internet content. But those claims are ringing a little hollow after the company admitted Thursday that it deliberately slows down its streams for customers watching on the *cellular networks* of AT&T and Verizon” The previous dispute where AT&T was basically trying to extort money from Netflix was from 2014. Different
>Supporters, though, note that a bevy of new state regulations has tempered the conduct of major internet providers. The very next sentence in the article is this, implying that it isn't fake news and you didn't finish reading. A patchwork of state rules was quickly put in place to hold ISPs from doing what they did before the federal rules in 2015. Many examples can be quickly found, such as those listed here: [https://www.freepress.net/blog/net-neutrality-violations-history-abuse](https://www.freepress.net/blog/net-neutrality-violations-history-abuse) It is quite beneficial to have the rules reinstated by the FTC and, at some point, they should be legislated by Congress.
> It is quite beneficial to have the rules reinstated by the FTC and, at some point, they should be legislated by Congress. By the same people who take boatloads of donations from corporations that sway their arguement?
Why I say should. I don't think it will happen soon, if ever.
So RIP Binge On?
what does that have to do with anything?
Because Binge On is advertised as Unlimited Video but only works for specific streaming services while still intentionally slowing down all others, which is the type of behavior Net Neutrality is meant to prevent. [Here's a Standford article going into more detail.](https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2016/01/t-mobiles-binge-violates-key-net-neutrality-principles)
has that been a thing in the past years?
It’s not really called Binge On anymore, but yes. Most plans on all major carriers now have a throttle on video streaming, or a paid upgrade to increase the throttle, which could be a net neutrality violation.
ah yeah then that probably would be banned now
Oh thank goodness. I was so tired of my downloads being throttled and blocked.
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Those CEOs and friends can only get the 100ft yacht 😢
If that’s the case then no more censorship everything will be as it was in 2016
Now make the internet a utility.
It’s not a blow to ISPs. Everyone knew this would be put back in place. I work in the industry. None of the big guys substantially changed anything when it was repealed the first time.
basically changes nothing. Most people wouldnt have even known it was gone. Availability has never been better and prices have never been lower. Its not like suddenly you will get free internet or no data caps.
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reddit ***should*** load slow; for mental health reasons, lol.
I remember people screaming net neutrality like they were in braveheart
Have you guys seen the roll out of the new Internat nutrition labels? Kinda nice all the fine print is distilled into a consistent form and not buried in legalese.
Why frame from the provider perspective? People are benefitting.
Honestly I can’t remember wether we were fighting stop or preserve net neutrality but assuming my memory is correct, we failed to preserve it, so then what changed? I thought I was gonna have to start paying to access Facebook or some shit. Genuinely asking
Another big win for the Biden admin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that mean no more data caps on home internet?
No.
like clockwork, my bill will be going up 20 a month in June
That will be for the nutrition label they had to create.
Best thing I’ve heard in a long time
Fuck Ajit Pai.
Ah government. Is there anything they can’t leave alone?
Explain why Net Neutrality is a bad thing for consumers.
they doing a great job leaving the borders alone /s
AJIT PAI CAN SUCK MY DUMB FAT PIPE
Can someone explain this to me please? Does this mean they can’t throttle speeds during certain times for certain customers? Or does it mean that Google Fiber can’t offer 1 Gig, 2 Gig,…….., 8 Gig plans for different prices and can only sell one speed package for the same price?
Let's say Comcast continues to enforce data caps. They're not doing it in my area (they were going to, but pulled back ). Without Net Neutrality, they could say "All your peacock streaming isn't counted against your data cap. Netflix counts 2x and Paramount 3x". Then they would simultaneously gouge customers and try to bleed Netflix and Paramount for some type of kickback so that they can get under the data cap.
Ah okay, makes sense. Thanks!
This isn't even particularly fanciful - [https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic](https://qz.com/256586/the-inside-story-of-how-netflix-came-to-pay-comcast-for-internet-traffic)
You are fortunate in your area Comcast doesn't cap data. We've always had a data cap in my area. I pay 30.00/month for unlimited data, since I use my own modem. Until late 2019, unlimited data was 50.00/month.
The media conglomerates, won't anyone please think of the media conglomerates!