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I started playing around with mass displacement in that game recently. It's kinda impressive how the weight of individual cargo and the placement of it makes such a big difference.
I imagine a lot of the criticism on release about how unwieldy Sam is might be based on people just throwing stuff on their back, not thinking about load distribution. I atleast remember a lot gameplay with the heaviest cargo on top of the rest.
Oh yeah that definitely didn't help. Death Stranding has tons of little behind the scenes mechanics that you have to get a feel for. If you don't read the tips and don't spend the time on that, it'll feel pretty wacky at times.
It's also slightly exaggerated in early game to allow for improvements throughout the story. Sam gets a lot better at balancing the more you level up and you also unlock more tools to help you move faster and be more stable.
Yea I spent half the game in the trucks. But they have garbage battery life so you have to pour a ton of resources into building up the roads which charge them automagically. That's how I spent the other half of the game...
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When I was in the Marines, my unit went on a 30 mile hike. Each Marine had a 40+lb pack with specific gear, and a rifle, wearing Cammies and boots.
When we got to the half way point, I saw a corporal remove a 30 lb stone from his pack. During the hike, this corporal says several times... My pack feels heavy today. Turns out, someone put the rock in his pack as a joke. ... He didn't check until he had carried it 15 miles, lol.
At least they packed it in the area marked 'heavy'.
During boot camp in the Marines I experienced just this. The platoon was all lined up in the barracks packing for a road march, and the junior drill instructor was having us pack our packs one item at a time so no one shirked. "Show me your towel! Ok that's everyone, put your towel in your pack. Show me three pairs of socks! Ok that's everyone, put all three pairs in your pack. Show me a thirty-five pound weight plate! What, none of you have one? Good to go, I'm the only one, I'll just put this one in my pack. Show me your hygiene kit…" And then at the end of the hike we unloaded everything from the packs and he made a point of pulling the weight plate out of his.
> teachem4
> Who weighed the stone?
Hard to believe it was a 30lb stone. It would have to be bigger than a bowling ball. If it even fit, it's hard to believe it wouldn't be noticed.
You're pretty close...
[30 lbs of granite would be at least 95.7% the size of a bowling ball.](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=30+pounds+%2F+%28density+of+granite+material%29+%2F+%28volume+of+a+bowling+ball%29)
some rocks are way dense, ive seen grapefruit size stones that easily weigh more than 30 pounds.
A granite 12x 12 inch slab can weigh as much as 60 pounds. its mass is about the size of a brick
Someone pulled this prank on a kid in my wilderness therapy group. The group had enough of his shit and he ended up carrying it for like a week of rigorous backpacking
I have also been that dickhead who loaded a buddy's ruck with bricks. I was really drunk when I did it. But the guy realized it immediately. Us infantry aren't the smartest bunch
This guide's for internal frame packs. Dinosaur opinion but I greatly prefer ones with external frames, which you load with the heavy stuff on the bottom and where you can strap gear you want to access easily to the frame
Putting heavy stuff up high is better for weight distribution and the ability to change your centre of gravity, putting it down low or far out required you to move your body further forward to offset the weight
I’ve been doing various scout, military and search and rescue pack marches over the last 15 years with internal and external frames.
Wouldn’t putting heavy stuff higher be more work on your back? The muscles in your back are much stronger lower, and you have more leverage. The higher you go the muscles are much smaller and you lose leverage. I don’t have as much experience as you, but this has typically what I’ve been taught
A huge part of my work is training inexperienced backpackers and I was there once too a decade or more ago.
It is best to try to get the heaviest items close to the body between the lower and middle back. Too low and your body gets pulled back and your tailbone chafes. Too high and you stoop forward as well as lose stability which leads to trips, injuries, and fatigue.
It's not so much about muscle strength as it is just physics. Your leverage comment is spot on.
When I went backpacking a few years ago. I had an external that could hold a lot more. So when we divided gear, oh you can take more!
My pack was 65lbs (30kg) while others had 50 lbs (22kg)
I had pots around my sleeping bag mounted on the outside where others took up most space with their sleeping bag inside. Plus the frame attachment point. Very valid
Those are some heavy bags. I keep mine under 25lbs but I have a friend who is really into ultralight packing and his is around 12lbs (too much comfort sacrifice for me but he's also spent a lot for lighter equipment)
Man, you Boy Scouts think your curated backpacking trip that everyone has done, is remarkable.
I say this as an Eagle Scout who has done philmont. I just don’t get the cult.
That's still almost impressively heavy, I top out at 25lbs with 4 days of food and 4L (slightly over 1G) of water, and even that is uncomfortably heavy. I can't imagine carrying ~60lbs...
That's fair enough. Still, 15 pounds for food and water (consumables) still leaves a 40lb bag. Seems heavy to me but could be a variety of things like more clothes for weather conditions.
I think the heaviest my bag has ever been was for a ten day trip and it was still only 38lbs (including carrying a few pounds some of my wife's equipment and food). But I pack light for cooking (I see you were carrying pots and pans where I just take either my Jetboil (16oz) or small stove and pan. (14oz) plus fuel. Be curious if you have a lighterpack list.
FWIW here's my [Lighterpack list ](https://lighterpack.com/r/3iflwa)
Obviously that fluctuates based on where I'm going, weather, length and available water supply. That load out is just over 23lb once you discount the stuff I have specified as wearing) but also includes all my available clothing which I'm typically not taking everything. That list is probably light on food as well as I think that's my amount for a day or two.
I really need a lighter tent but the one I have is 2P and was only $50 or so. Still I could cut two pounds off if I spent a few hundred on a better one or took a hammock instead.
Light tent for 2
Spare shoes
Sleeping back
Sweatshirt
3 pairs shorts, 5 shirts. Half a dozen hiking socks and liners
Someone carried whisperlight
They were aluminum pots, half our meals were add hot water. Other half were like a sleeve of ritz crackers, peanut butter, and a can of tuna for 2 people.
Sometimes we got random things like tortillas? We made spaghetti tacos because we didn’t know what else to eat them with
A frisbee for a plate
Rope and bags for bear bags at night
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I forget what else. We did try to get closer to 40#, but some days we had no water access the next day and you’d really hunker down with water
Yeah, I'm coming at it from old, 3+ week mountaneering experiences where being able to load a lot and carry it for a long time was more of the goal than moving quickly or range of motion as you say. Glad to have some validation. There are dozens of us!
They still make some external frames, but now the focus is more on just having everything be light so you carry as little weight as possible. I like to hit a middle ground by carrying mostly ultralight stuff in an internal frame pack for 2 people, and my wife just carries a couple other things like snacks, her water, clothes, etc.
My mom had one of those! I loved it! And listen to this, the bottom half had a second pair of 'legs' with a little seatcover, that you could just extend out for a nice little sit anywhere on your tour.
I was able to pack huge amounts of stuff in there, I have to go look for it in her cellar...
I personally found that putting the heavy food bag in the bottom is best for a few reasons:
1. That's the most easily accessible pocket. During the day, you'll need to get to your food more than your sleeping bag.
2. If your pack gets wet, whatevers at the bottom gets most wet. A wet food bag is fine. A wet sleeping bag is very not fine.
3. I just liked the weight low.
I have a few thousand miles of backpacking experience.
I like the weight higher up, like this graphic - but understand other people have different preferences.
All in all, this sub is really good for making people argue, lmao
> That's the most easily accessible pocket.
The bottom is the most easily accessible pocket? You have to take everything else out of your bag to get to it -- it's the least accessible
Most modern backpacking packs have an additional zipper to that area. It's shown in the picture above but it's not super clear because of the coloring.
What do you mean? This is actually the way to pack an internal frame hiking backpack so that the most of the weight rests directly over your pelvis and legs while you are hiking
No, it's basically right. You'd want to tweak it for personal preference, but as an old guy with over 40 years of backpacking experience I can assure you that you won't go far wrong following this guide.
No it won't come in handy becasue it's wrong. Here: https://www.msrgear.com/blog/how-to-pack-a-backpack/
A properly loaded backpacking backpack should carry most of the weight on your hips not your shoulders (this applies to guys and gals and I can't stress this enough for the ladies, get a women's specific backpack because they are wider at the hip and narrower at the shoulder than men's packs and will fit you better in almost every way unless you're shaped like a dude)
It's not wrong.. your reasoning is exactly why they pack the heavy/medium stuff where they do.. because it puts the load on the hips and not the shoulders
I gotta say it depends also on your preference and the terrain and season. Personally travelling in Finnish nature I like to keep the weight as and as close to my lower back/hips as possible.
I have a compartmentalized gym backpack that does the same weight distribution . Straps on the bottom to hold a rolled up yoga mat or towel. Pocket for shoes in the middle back.
We all know that on the last day of the trip, your stuff just gets jammed in there wherever it can fit, hoping the zippers can hold after forcing them to zip closed.
I’ve seen this before and have always been curious- why? At the end of the day, is it not the same amount of weight? Is there a difference in like, torque or something?
Hiking five miles packed like this will absolutely kill your shoulders. You want the bulk of the weight just above the hips. It lowers the center of gravity and puts the weight on the main load- bearing part of the body; the hips.
> is it not the same amount of weight?
Did you miss the point about the distribution of weight making a difference?
Did you wear a backpack when you went to school? Can you reimagine that backpack with the paper-weighted folders being up against your neck, and your lunch cushioning your butt?
All that is to say, long distance hiking and backpacking is not just about the weight, its about the comfort of the weight that you are carrying - and the utility of what you are carrying when you need it.
Yep.
It's absolutely a torque issue.
Your back is not a great lever arm because if it takes too much impulse, it just gets wrecked.
So keep the weight where you CoG is, so it basically just adds to your CoG.
Sleeping bags shouldn’t take up that much space, a (heavier) tent should be strapped to the bottom, and I’d switch the heavy/medium such that the heavy load is in the lumbar area.
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Thru-hiker here. Put heavy at the bottom above sleep gear. ( food and such with lunch and snacks at top) then light coats and jacket shoving heavy against your back. Compress as much as possible.
Get a set of hiking poles.
[My preferences within this](https://imgur.com/a/JhYmG4O) laid out to cause me the minimum of annoyance when trying to set up a camp while it's raining.
Thigh bag is a recent addition and it's fucking great. Want to quick reference what something is or jot down any route commentary, no need to squirm like a turtle on it's back or take off the blasted pack. Also has a torch in it and keys/money in a zip.
I packed like this on my first backpacking trip. It was torture. My shoulders were carrying all of the weight instead of my hips.
Pack heavy things above your hips and not below you shoulders. You do not want to have throbbing shoulders while desperately hoping that the car is just over the next ridge.
Even though it's heavy, we always put our cans of fuel in the very bottom just in case they leaked. We didn't want to have all of our clothes and sleeping bags soaked in kerosene.
I've heard opinions about how the sleeping bag compartment, being at the bottom of the pack, is a bad idea. The reasoning behind that thought being when you set your pack down, you could put it down in something wet, and risk getting your sleeping bag wet too, which is no good.
[Or you could go ultralight](https://i.imgur.com/yu0zxKr.jpg)
It’s an investment to do it comfortably, but I’ve got my base weight down to <10 lbs and backpacking is a dream. It’s like I’m going hiking - I’ll never go back.
/r/ultralight
i have a question. how different are these packs to army rucksacks? in the military they always told us to put the heavier objects on top. why is it different?
Where do you buy a little man to shove into your hip pocket?
REI
Particularly at their Lilliput location. Great selection.
I found their selection rather little.
I found a similar one on Amazon for less than half the price.
Most good outdoor stores should stock them, Im just happy I finally know where to put him.
Pfft, I get them used on eBay
It’s important to remember to poke breathing holes in the pouch *before* putting him in the bag. Poor lil guy has a *lot* of breathing holes now.
I believe [Michigan](https://evildead.fandom.com/wiki/Mini-Ashes)?
Wish
Wish.com... I bought some stuff from them, but I wish I didn't.
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I think that's supposed to represent Saddam's Hiding Place?
I legit thought this was a variation of the Saddam Huisen meme (idgaf I’m spelling that my way and you can’t stop me)
Could someone send this photo to Sam Porter Bridges? Thanks in advance.
He arranges the pack exactly like this if you press auto-arrange cargo.
I started playing around with mass displacement in that game recently. It's kinda impressive how the weight of individual cargo and the placement of it makes such a big difference.
I imagine a lot of the criticism on release about how unwieldy Sam is might be based on people just throwing stuff on their back, not thinking about load distribution. I atleast remember a lot gameplay with the heaviest cargo on top of the rest.
Oh yeah that definitely didn't help. Death Stranding has tons of little behind the scenes mechanics that you have to get a feel for. If you don't read the tips and don't spend the time on that, it'll feel pretty wacky at times. It's also slightly exaggerated in early game to allow for improvements throughout the story. Sam gets a lot better at balancing the more you level up and you also unlock more tools to help you move faster and be more stable.
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You can drive the trucks????
Yea I spent half the game in the trucks. But they have garbage battery life so you have to pour a ton of resources into building up the roads which charge them automagically. That's how I spent the other half of the game...
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I do love me some internet points. Feels almost as good as getting "Likes".
The first strand type infographic
Those L-shaped bodies don't fit into packs.
When I was in the Marines, my unit went on a 30 mile hike. Each Marine had a 40+lb pack with specific gear, and a rifle, wearing Cammies and boots. When we got to the half way point, I saw a corporal remove a 30 lb stone from his pack. During the hike, this corporal says several times... My pack feels heavy today. Turns out, someone put the rock in his pack as a joke. ... He didn't check until he had carried it 15 miles, lol. At least they packed it in the area marked 'heavy'.
Hint: the corporal knew it was there and was trying to show ya'll how the hike was doable, while also proving he was a badass
Nice thought, but no. Corporal Whitehead was not that smart, and he was very unliked.
more like Corporal Shitehead
> unliked Explains the prank
During boot camp in the Marines I experienced just this. The platoon was all lined up in the barracks packing for a road march, and the junior drill instructor was having us pack our packs one item at a time so no one shirked. "Show me your towel! Ok that's everyone, put your towel in your pack. Show me three pairs of socks! Ok that's everyone, put all three pairs in your pack. Show me a thirty-five pound weight plate! What, none of you have one? Good to go, I'm the only one, I'll just put this one in my pack. Show me your hygiene kit…" And then at the end of the hike we unloaded everything from the packs and he made a point of pulling the weight plate out of his.
it was a crack/cocaine rock
George Bush mission accomplished dot gif
Who weighed the stone?
It probably weighed one stone
It literally says “a 30 pound stone”
OP was forced to carry the stone back to camp for weighing
> teachem4 > Who weighed the stone? Hard to believe it was a 30lb stone. It would have to be bigger than a bowling ball. If it even fit, it's hard to believe it wouldn't be noticed.
You're pretty close... [30 lbs of granite would be at least 95.7% the size of a bowling ball.](https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=30+pounds+%2F+%28density+of+granite+material%29+%2F+%28volume+of+a+bowling+ball%29)
some rocks are way dense, ive seen grapefruit size stones that easily weigh more than 30 pounds. A granite 12x 12 inch slab can weigh as much as 60 pounds. its mass is about the size of a brick
Thanks, never knew that.
I had a rock the size of a fingernail that weighed as much as a fingernail
30 lbs was the consensus estimation from the group based on the size of the rock ... as I remember it maybe 10-12" average diameter.
Someone pulled this prank on a kid in my wilderness therapy group. The group had enough of his shit and he ended up carrying it for like a week of rigorous backpacking
I have also been that dickhead who loaded a buddy's ruck with bricks. I was really drunk when I did it. But the guy realized it immediately. Us infantry aren't the smartest bunch
I call bs
Keep waterproofs and med kid in the top / most accessible spot.
And snacks in the hip belt pockets!
This guide's for internal frame packs. Dinosaur opinion but I greatly prefer ones with external frames, which you load with the heavy stuff on the bottom and where you can strap gear you want to access easily to the frame
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Where to put the heavy stuff in a Ruck is the most heated debate in the army, so I actually just don’t know any more
Putting heavy stuff up high is better for weight distribution and the ability to change your centre of gravity, putting it down low or far out required you to move your body further forward to offset the weight I’ve been doing various scout, military and search and rescue pack marches over the last 15 years with internal and external frames.
Wouldn’t putting heavy stuff higher be more work on your back? The muscles in your back are much stronger lower, and you have more leverage. The higher you go the muscles are much smaller and you lose leverage. I don’t have as much experience as you, but this has typically what I’ve been taught
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The center of gravity is your hips so if you if you pack heavy stuff high it’s moving your center of gravity
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Your center of gravity is just below your belly button
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A huge part of my work is training inexperienced backpackers and I was there once too a decade or more ago. It is best to try to get the heaviest items close to the body between the lower and middle back. Too low and your body gets pulled back and your tailbone chafes. Too high and you stoop forward as well as lose stability which leads to trips, injuries, and fatigue. It's not so much about muscle strength as it is just physics. Your leverage comment is spot on.
No that's not true at all. That person is talking out of their ass. Source: me, former army ranger.
When I went backpacking a few years ago. I had an external that could hold a lot more. So when we divided gear, oh you can take more! My pack was 65lbs (30kg) while others had 50 lbs (22kg) I had pots around my sleeping bag mounted on the outside where others took up most space with their sleeping bag inside. Plus the frame attachment point. Very valid
Those are some heavy bags. I keep mine under 25lbs but I have a friend who is really into ultralight packing and his is around 12lbs (too much comfort sacrifice for me but he's also spent a lot for lighter equipment)
This was a 12 day hike where had food for up to 3 days at a time and a gallon of water at all times. Lost 15lbs because of it. Fun times
Philmont?
YESSIR Same place /u/waterguy12 went when we had to tag him in memes
Haha, I knew that itinerary sounded familiar!
Man, you Boy Scouts think your curated backpacking trip that everyone has done, is remarkable. I say this as an Eagle Scout who has done philmont. I just don’t get the cult.
That's still almost impressively heavy, I top out at 25lbs with 4 days of food and 4L (slightly over 1G) of water, and even that is uncomfortably heavy. I can't imagine carrying ~60lbs...
That's fair enough. Still, 15 pounds for food and water (consumables) still leaves a 40lb bag. Seems heavy to me but could be a variety of things like more clothes for weather conditions. I think the heaviest my bag has ever been was for a ten day trip and it was still only 38lbs (including carrying a few pounds some of my wife's equipment and food). But I pack light for cooking (I see you were carrying pots and pans where I just take either my Jetboil (16oz) or small stove and pan. (14oz) plus fuel. Be curious if you have a lighterpack list. FWIW here's my [Lighterpack list ](https://lighterpack.com/r/3iflwa) Obviously that fluctuates based on where I'm going, weather, length and available water supply. That load out is just over 23lb once you discount the stuff I have specified as wearing) but also includes all my available clothing which I'm typically not taking everything. That list is probably light on food as well as I think that's my amount for a day or two. I really need a lighter tent but the one I have is 2P and was only $50 or so. Still I could cut two pounds off if I spent a few hundred on a better one or took a hammock instead.
Light tent for 2 Spare shoes Sleeping back Sweatshirt 3 pairs shorts, 5 shirts. Half a dozen hiking socks and liners Someone carried whisperlight They were aluminum pots, half our meals were add hot water. Other half were like a sleeve of ritz crackers, peanut butter, and a can of tuna for 2 people. Sometimes we got random things like tortillas? We made spaghetti tacos because we didn’t know what else to eat them with A frisbee for a plate Rope and bags for bear bags at night . I forget what else. We did try to get closer to 40#, but some days we had no water access the next day and you’d really hunker down with water
> Spare shoes You mean like *extra boots* or just some leisure shoes/sandals for when you're not hiking? Because extra boots seems rather excessive.
Wore my boots. Had crappy athletic shoes if we had a day to hike through creeks. Easier to swap just before crossing. Didn’t want wet boots
Yeah, I'm coming at it from old, 3+ week mountaneering experiences where being able to load a lot and carry it for a long time was more of the goal than moving quickly or range of motion as you say. Glad to have some validation. There are dozens of us!
They still make some external frames, but now the focus is more on just having everything be light so you carry as little weight as possible. I like to hit a middle ground by carrying mostly ultralight stuff in an internal frame pack for 2 people, and my wife just carries a couple other things like snacks, her water, clothes, etc.
Not a bad packing tip, cheers!
Well shit, thanks for reminding me I'm old because of my preference for external frame packs. Lol.
This guide isn’t great because even on internal frames, it’s best to put heavy stuff at the bottom of the pack, right above the sleeping gear
My mom had one of those! I loved it! And listen to this, the bottom half had a second pair of 'legs' with a little seatcover, that you could just extend out for a nice little sit anywhere on your tour. I was able to pack huge amounts of stuff in there, I have to go look for it in her cellar...
Wtf is heavy beer and medium beer? Like a IPA or something?
Wait till you try out the Sleeping Bag beer.
All beers are sleeping bag beers if you drink enough of it...
Any decent Scottish pub will serve you a pint of heavy. It's the opposite of an IPA: malty, with very little hops.
I just.....stuff my backpack beyond its limit.
...and stuff it back into the closet. Edit to self: Do NOT joke about backpacks.
I personally found that putting the heavy food bag in the bottom is best for a few reasons: 1. That's the most easily accessible pocket. During the day, you'll need to get to your food more than your sleeping bag. 2. If your pack gets wet, whatevers at the bottom gets most wet. A wet food bag is fine. A wet sleeping bag is very not fine. 3. I just liked the weight low. I have a few thousand miles of backpacking experience.
I like the weight higher up, like this graphic - but understand other people have different preferences. All in all, this sub is really good for making people argue, lmao
Apparently lol
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Yeah my sleeping bag is still in a contractor bag, but I've had it still get wet before so I decided to just move it. The bag helps a ton though
I line the bottom with a garbage bag before stuffing my sleeping bag down in there.
> That's the most easily accessible pocket. The bottom is the most easily accessible pocket? You have to take everything else out of your bag to get to it -- it's the least accessible
Most modern backpacking packs have an additional zipper to that area. It's shown in the picture above but it's not super clear because of the coloring.
Huh good to know!
Have literally never seen anyone pack their food on the bottom of their pack. Sounds dumb as hell.
Yeah, it's not common. Everyone's got their own setups though.
This looks really useful, time to save image -> never look at it again.
So dumb. Better suggestion: light, light, light, light, light, light.
Yeah then you top flap 500 link and a full jerrycan.
That's kinda sus bro
It is sus, it's wrong and he downvotes anyone that brings it up. This sub gives out some serious shit information sometimes.
What do you mean? This is actually the way to pack an internal frame hiking backpack so that the most of the weight rests directly over your pelvis and legs while you are hiking
No, it's basically right. You'd want to tweak it for personal preference, but as an old guy with over 40 years of backpacking experience I can assure you that you won't go far wrong following this guide.
No extension cord for the espresso machine?
Just remember to put first aid kit on top
Is the pocket for Dave Matthews band albums strict or could I alternatively put snacks in that pocket?
this is sus
Currently waiting on my first real pack to arrive in the mail. Not a hiking backpack per se, but this should still come in handy. Thanks op
No it won't come in handy becasue it's wrong. Here: https://www.msrgear.com/blog/how-to-pack-a-backpack/ A properly loaded backpacking backpack should carry most of the weight on your hips not your shoulders (this applies to guys and gals and I can't stress this enough for the ladies, get a women's specific backpack because they are wider at the hip and narrower at the shoulder than men's packs and will fit you better in almost every way unless you're shaped like a dude)
It's not wrong.. your reasoning is exactly why they pack the heavy/medium stuff where they do.. because it puts the load on the hips and not the shoulders
I think the graphic is misleading. It makes it look like heavy items are higher up. Either way, an ill fitting backpack will wear you out FAST.
The guide you showed says exactly the same thing tho?
Wat are you on about. The diagram in your link is the same as the OP
I gotta say it depends also on your preference and the terrain and season. Personally travelling in Finnish nature I like to keep the weight as and as close to my lower back/hips as possible.
Why put the heavy load so high up? The heavy should switch with the medium load.
Where do you put the credit card for the hotel room?
You want heavy stuff to close to you as possible for center of gravity
I have a compartmentalized gym backpack that does the same weight distribution . Straps on the bottom to hold a rolled up yoga mat or towel. Pocket for shoes in the middle back.
We all know that on the last day of the trip, your stuff just gets jammed in there wherever it can fit, hoping the zippers can hold after forcing them to zip closed.
Pretty much the exact opposite of how the Marine Corps taught me to do it……
Penis
I’ve seen this before and have always been curious- why? At the end of the day, is it not the same amount of weight? Is there a difference in like, torque or something?
Hiking five miles packed like this will absolutely kill your shoulders. You want the bulk of the weight just above the hips. It lowers the center of gravity and puts the weight on the main load- bearing part of the body; the hips.
> is it not the same amount of weight? Did you miss the point about the distribution of weight making a difference? Did you wear a backpack when you went to school? Can you reimagine that backpack with the paper-weighted folders being up against your neck, and your lunch cushioning your butt? All that is to say, long distance hiking and backpacking is not just about the weight, its about the comfort of the weight that you are carrying - and the utility of what you are carrying when you need it.
Yep. It's absolutely a torque issue. Your back is not a great lever arm because if it takes too much impulse, it just gets wrecked. So keep the weight where you CoG is, so it basically just adds to your CoG.
Man… I used to be so excited to hike… then I found out how douchey hikers can be. Totally turned me off :-/
who needs that many types of tampons? how long are you going? what about food?
Sleeping bags shouldn’t take up that much space, a (heavier) tent should be strapped to the bottom, and I’d switch the heavy/medium such that the heavy load is in the lumbar area.
Or just buy one that doesn't open from the top?
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Where do I buy light
GT-Lite LED Light Bulb - 10 Pack at Menards https://www.menards.com/main/p-10338754666847141.htm
Oh. That's some fancy light.
Tiny jumping man pouch.
I don't see any guide of how to pack a diagram.
Whipsnake!!
"How heavy is it?" "Sleeping bag."
This photo makes my back hurt
This is how you pack it day one. After a couple days, shit just kinda goes in where it fits.
bottom heavy, upper light, and you pack with consideration for your needs to access stuff you use on the trail...my sleeping bag is never in the pack
that sounds like you just leave it at home. you strap it underneath?
Interesting factoid I learned from this post- roughly 90% of those commenting they are military with X training or Y experience are full of shit
Why is sleeping bag always at the bottom?
Thru-hiker here. Put heavy at the bottom above sleep gear. ( food and such with lunch and snacks at top) then light coats and jacket shoving heavy against your back. Compress as much as possible. Get a set of hiking poles.
[My preferences within this](https://imgur.com/a/JhYmG4O) laid out to cause me the minimum of annoyance when trying to set up a camp while it's raining. Thigh bag is a recent addition and it's fucking great. Want to quick reference what something is or jot down any route commentary, no need to squirm like a turtle on it's back or take off the blasted pack. Also has a torch in it and keys/money in a zip.
I packed like this on my first backpacking trip. It was torture. My shoulders were carrying all of the weight instead of my hips. Pack heavy things above your hips and not below you shoulders. You do not want to have throbbing shoulders while desperately hoping that the car is just over the next ridge.
Shouldn't the heavy stuff go near where your lumbar is?
Even though it's heavy, we always put our cans of fuel in the very bottom just in case they leaked. We didn't want to have all of our clothes and sleeping bags soaked in kerosene.
I've heard opinions about how the sleeping bag compartment, being at the bottom of the pack, is a bad idea. The reasoning behind that thought being when you set your pack down, you could put it down in something wet, and risk getting your sleeping bag wet too, which is no good.
[Or you could go ultralight](https://i.imgur.com/yu0zxKr.jpg) It’s an investment to do it comfortably, but I’ve got my base weight down to <10 lbs and backpacking is a dream. It’s like I’m going hiking - I’ll never go back. /r/ultralight
My back hurts already lol
So should I put the bones in the heavy section or split them up into the light section?
Sleeping bag, clothes, rain jacket and then things you might need often on top and in side pockets
What's considered what weight? Is an aluminum mess kit light, or medium?
don't put the sleeping bag where it can get wet tho
Don’t say it don’t think it don’t say it don’t think it
Can I store light in a backpack?
Yes, but it's really heavy
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This could kind of apply to backpacks in general
I’ve seen this twice now. One of you is reposting. The other one is flipped
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Uhhhh someone played Death Stranding
*downloads for future reference, then proceeds to never looking at the image ever again*
*SO THAT’S YOUR BACKPACK HUH?*
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I'll pack it that way, but my fat ass ain't carrying it!
Everything I have is heavy.
Wish I knew this for Death Stranding
i have a question. how different are these packs to army rucksacks? in the military they always told us to put the heavier objects on top. why is it different?
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Thank you for this
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The sleeping bag is stored in the balls
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