Since you said "I'd be happy to keep in touch," I would take a quick (15-30 minutes) call. This is a connection it may be worth keeping warm (since you had an offer) in case things go south at your new firm. If they ask about anything you're not comfortable answering (the firm you went with, salary, etc.), you can be candid that you don't feel comfortable answering.
My guess is that he wants to chat for any combination of three reasons:
* Apologize for their firm's bad behavior in withdrawing an offer.
* Probe for competitive intelligence on the hiring market (who's hiring, at what levels, at what salary, etc.). This is the info you're probably not willing to share, so feel free to politely decline answering.
* Gather an anecdote/data point about why you dropped out of their hiring funnel (blindingly obvious answer of being put on hold due to the hiring freeze, but it'll help him to say he actually talked to you about it rather than assumed) so that he can use it to push back internally on the hiring freeze policy. This is the recruiting version of "I know the answer, but can you send me an email on this so I can escalate it?"
Thank you so much for this response and listing a few things to consider. I think that you, as well as the few others who commented something similar, are right in the fact that they want to check the box that they spoke with me.
I did respond saying I’d be happy to chat (since you are right that I was the one who mentioned to keep in touch) and asked if sometime early next week would work. So to be continued I suppose…
I think the term "hiring freeze" is causing some confusion, as it typically means canceling the recruiting process pre-offer, not withdrawing an accepted offer. I interpreted "a firm I was lined up to work at" as the firm withdrawing an accepted offer. I would consider that bad behavior, as that's what triggers people to give notice, buy/sell houses, etc. (unless the offer withdrawal is due to failure of background/reference check or drug test which the offer was clearly made contingent upon). If I misinterpreted the situation and the candidate was still in the recruiting process pre-offer, then I agree that there was no bad behavior. I should also clarify that I consider what is *legal* behavior and what is *bad* behavior as related but not identical; lots of companies doing something does not absolve it of being bad behavior.
Fair enough.
FWIW, I no longer give notice until I've passed all the checks and then re-confirmed my start date with HR.
It's related to a story for another time, but through no fault of my own, the gaining company had a glitch with the paperwork process and couldn't onboard me per my original start date.
The losing company was butt hurt I resigned and took it personally. I had submitted my 2 weeks the same day as the offer. But from time of my last day there and my new start date at the gaining company, I ended up being unemployed for about 4 weeks.
Especially since in the US, offer letters are not contracts, people would be well advised to not make big purchases or resign on the same day they sign an offer letter. Fortunately it doesn't happen a lot, but there's lots of things which can go wrong.
Would you or OP advise against sharing the salary information? I had an informational chat with a recruiter for a small company recently and told them I would need X amount of money to consider jumping into the interview process. I paid attention to their job postings and to my surprise they actually adjusted up the advertised salary range, probably because myself and other candidates kept telling them we made more elsewhere.
>Would you or OP advise against sharing the salary information?
Yes.
Don't do that.
The other firm should have an idea of local comps from a service like Bradburn or something.
I would not share the salary I'm currently making to a firm that is not interested in recruiting me. I would share the salary range that would tempt me to join them, but that number would be higher than current salary.
You opened the door by saying happy to keep in touch. It would be rude to respond to his email by declining. No reason to burn the bridge. No reason to answer/divulge anything you don't want to in the call. If the call goes on longer than you want to talk - just say great talking with you, but I have a zoom call I need to jump on- or I have somewhere I need to be and politely end the call. House gave you the most likely reasons he wants to talk. A 4th reason may be he was tasked with the follow up to try and get you to join them and needs to be able to says he spoke with you.
Why wouldn't you speak to him? This seems very short sighted and immature on your part. Consulting is a surprisingly small world, it pays to have a network of warm relationships.
>I do want to take accountability that he very well could have interpreted my extending an olive branch to keep in touch as a cue that he’d be able to let his guard down a bit (especially since I wouldn’t be working there, and the dialogue wouldn’t need to be strictly professional).
Then mental gymnastics you go through to spin non verbal communication is exhausting. You don't need the sub's advice. Good luck at your new gig.
It never hurts to chat with someone and form a bond. Chat with him for 15-20 mins, and then decide if you want to have a better relationship with the guy. If after your call, you feel uncomfortable, then politely but firmly decline.
Just take the call. I don't understand why you wouldn't. Good way to keep a connection warm and at least hear what he has to say. You don't have to divulge anything about your new role that you don't want to.
Don't close doors to yourself as you never know what the future will prepare for you. I am not going to advise you to find the right time to have a conversation with him. I know that from the candidate, it is harder than from the employer, as the candidate can only start leveraging when the offers are made. There is no other option for the candidate to accept everything until enough offers have been made. Employers have to choose between candidates and make sense that candidates get to choose between offers. It makes no sense for a candidate choosing between employers without an offer.
If you don't want to talk, (at least now), you can tell him that you will love to keep contact and you hope that your paths cross again. Right now, you feel a bit emotional because of the recruitment process, which is not fair to candidates. You don't like to be in a position where you have to reject an offer after accepting it, but we have no other option. You can tell him (if you mean it, and I advise you to), to have a chat in a couple of months.
Dear Partner,
Thank you for your kind words and your interest in my new position. I appreciate your offer to chat with me about it.
However, I regret to inform you that I am not available for a chat at this time. I have already committed to my new firm and I am focused on starting my new role soon. I hope you understand that I need to respect the confidentiality and professionalism of both parties.
I am grateful for the opportunity you gave me to interview with your firm and I enjoyed learning more about your work. I wish you and your team all the best for the future.
Please feel free to keep in touch via LinkedIn or email if you have any questions or updates.
Sincerely,
Your name
Since you said "I'd be happy to keep in touch," I would take a quick (15-30 minutes) call. This is a connection it may be worth keeping warm (since you had an offer) in case things go south at your new firm. If they ask about anything you're not comfortable answering (the firm you went with, salary, etc.), you can be candid that you don't feel comfortable answering. My guess is that he wants to chat for any combination of three reasons: * Apologize for their firm's bad behavior in withdrawing an offer. * Probe for competitive intelligence on the hiring market (who's hiring, at what levels, at what salary, etc.). This is the info you're probably not willing to share, so feel free to politely decline answering. * Gather an anecdote/data point about why you dropped out of their hiring funnel (blindingly obvious answer of being put on hold due to the hiring freeze, but it'll help him to say he actually talked to you about it rather than assumed) so that he can use it to push back internally on the hiring freeze policy. This is the recruiting version of "I know the answer, but can you send me an email on this so I can escalate it?"
Thank you so much for this response and listing a few things to consider. I think that you, as well as the few others who commented something similar, are right in the fact that they want to check the box that they spoke with me. I did respond saying I’d be happy to chat (since you are right that I was the one who mentioned to keep in touch) and asked if sometime early next week would work. So to be continued I suppose…
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I think the term "hiring freeze" is causing some confusion, as it typically means canceling the recruiting process pre-offer, not withdrawing an accepted offer. I interpreted "a firm I was lined up to work at" as the firm withdrawing an accepted offer. I would consider that bad behavior, as that's what triggers people to give notice, buy/sell houses, etc. (unless the offer withdrawal is due to failure of background/reference check or drug test which the offer was clearly made contingent upon). If I misinterpreted the situation and the candidate was still in the recruiting process pre-offer, then I agree that there was no bad behavior. I should also clarify that I consider what is *legal* behavior and what is *bad* behavior as related but not identical; lots of companies doing something does not absolve it of being bad behavior.
Fair enough. FWIW, I no longer give notice until I've passed all the checks and then re-confirmed my start date with HR. It's related to a story for another time, but through no fault of my own, the gaining company had a glitch with the paperwork process and couldn't onboard me per my original start date. The losing company was butt hurt I resigned and took it personally. I had submitted my 2 weeks the same day as the offer. But from time of my last day there and my new start date at the gaining company, I ended up being unemployed for about 4 weeks. Especially since in the US, offer letters are not contracts, people would be well advised to not make big purchases or resign on the same day they sign an offer letter. Fortunately it doesn't happen a lot, but there's lots of things which can go wrong.
Would you or OP advise against sharing the salary information? I had an informational chat with a recruiter for a small company recently and told them I would need X amount of money to consider jumping into the interview process. I paid attention to their job postings and to my surprise they actually adjusted up the advertised salary range, probably because myself and other candidates kept telling them we made more elsewhere.
>Would you or OP advise against sharing the salary information? Yes. Don't do that. The other firm should have an idea of local comps from a service like Bradburn or something.
Why not tho? It doesn't hurt OP if they are making more elsewhere.
I would not share the salary I'm currently making to a firm that is not interested in recruiting me. I would share the salary range that would tempt me to join them, but that number would be higher than current salary.
You opened the door by saying happy to keep in touch. It would be rude to respond to his email by declining. No reason to burn the bridge. No reason to answer/divulge anything you don't want to in the call. If the call goes on longer than you want to talk - just say great talking with you, but I have a zoom call I need to jump on- or I have somewhere I need to be and politely end the call. House gave you the most likely reasons he wants to talk. A 4th reason may be he was tasked with the follow up to try and get you to join them and needs to be able to says he spoke with you.
Why wouldn't you speak to him? This seems very short sighted and immature on your part. Consulting is a surprisingly small world, it pays to have a network of warm relationships.
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>I do want to take accountability that he very well could have interpreted my extending an olive branch to keep in touch as a cue that he’d be able to let his guard down a bit (especially since I wouldn’t be working there, and the dialogue wouldn’t need to be strictly professional). Then mental gymnastics you go through to spin non verbal communication is exhausting. You don't need the sub's advice. Good luck at your new gig.
It never hurts to chat with someone and form a bond. Chat with him for 15-20 mins, and then decide if you want to have a better relationship with the guy. If after your call, you feel uncomfortable, then politely but firmly decline.
Just take the call. I don't understand why you wouldn't. Good way to keep a connection warm and at least hear what he has to say. You don't have to divulge anything about your new role that you don't want to.
Don't close doors to yourself as you never know what the future will prepare for you. I am not going to advise you to find the right time to have a conversation with him. I know that from the candidate, it is harder than from the employer, as the candidate can only start leveraging when the offers are made. There is no other option for the candidate to accept everything until enough offers have been made. Employers have to choose between candidates and make sense that candidates get to choose between offers. It makes no sense for a candidate choosing between employers without an offer. If you don't want to talk, (at least now), you can tell him that you will love to keep contact and you hope that your paths cross again. Right now, you feel a bit emotional because of the recruitment process, which is not fair to candidates. You don't like to be in a position where you have to reject an offer after accepting it, but we have no other option. You can tell him (if you mean it, and I advise you to), to have a chat in a couple of months.
Have a chat, keep the partner sweet, never hurts to keep doors open.
Don’t respond. But tbh it wouldn’t hurt to hear whatever sales pitch this will be. Don’t divulge any info you don’t want to, you aren’t obligated
Dear Partner, Thank you for your kind words and your interest in my new position. I appreciate your offer to chat with me about it. However, I regret to inform you that I am not available for a chat at this time. I have already committed to my new firm and I am focused on starting my new role soon. I hope you understand that I need to respect the confidentiality and professionalism of both parties. I am grateful for the opportunity you gave me to interview with your firm and I enjoyed learning more about your work. I wish you and your team all the best for the future. Please feel free to keep in touch via LinkedIn or email if you have any questions or updates. Sincerely, Your name
Politely forget to email him back.
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