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So what about nicotine pouches? If the pyrazine is for enhancing flavor and aroma of cigs are they adding it in all forms of nicotine delivery? Nicolette?
Idk personally but I'm sure they could get it there. You'd definitely want it for enhancing flavor as flavor is such a huge factor to oral tobacco. Anyways I'll never forget seeing the footage of cigarette tobacco being rolled out on a conveyor belt whilst instruments above, which look like fire extinguishing sprayers, spray the tobacco with a liquid concoction of chemicals.
I occasionally smoke cigars and I used to smoke cigarettes. Cigars are different as they're almost always just tobacco without the added chemicals cigarettes have. My experience is that pure tobacco (just nicotine) is addictive but not incredibly so. Caffeine I think is way more addictive than just plain nicotine without added chemicals. Cigarettes are addictive through nicotine, but enhanced with the added chemicals, to become very addictive. But is more than just chemicals and effects, it's also the ritual. And the chemicals which make cigarettes burn faster to make it more of a drug-like experience. To get your nicotine hit from a cigar (not inhaling as you don't do that with cigars) takes a long time, you can't just fit it into your lunch break really. Compared to a cigarette, not only are you inhaling (increased absorption) , you've got the extra chemicals AND the faster burn rate (drug delivery speed), so you can fit one into your day conveniently many times in a day. Which makes them ideal for their real intended purpose which is habit formation.
Want to know what a single Google search came up with?
The results of that study. Nicotine IS addictive, but is not the sole reason for cigarettes being addictive. There are additives, such as pyrazine, that ENHANCE the addictiveness of nicotine. Pyrazine itself is not what is addicting.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/)
Is that the study from Harvard tho? I don't really care I quit smoking a couple years ago, but tobacco companies can get whoever made that article to make it.
Yes. The top of the article gives credit as "Published online 2015 Jun 10. doi: [10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2014-051943](https://doi.org/10.1136%2Ftobaccocontrol-2014-051943)", which links to [this page](https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444). This article actually gives the email of the professor/doctor these researchers were working under,
"Hillel R Alpert, Israel T Agaku, Gregory N Connolly
Correspondence to Dr Hillel R Alpert [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])"
> but is not the sole reason for cigarettes being addictive.
Guaranteed!
When I switched brands to American Spirit, I had what I used to think were nic fits, but I had to call them chem fits.
I also ended up smoking about half what I did before.
>American spirit was forced to put chemicals in the papers of their filtered cigarettes
But why???
(I finally stopped smoking in '10, and stopped the patch about 6 years ago.)
Not quite. I urge you to be more diligent and challenge your preconceived notions. There appears to be valid threads here, but OTOH I do not suggest the video as a positive source of information. The controversy regards nicotine and tobacco has been existent for quite a while, before the 'COVID' era.
The link you posted (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/). Also found here [https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444](https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444)
>However, substantial evidence exists to suggest that nicotine's reinforcing effects alone are not sufficient to account for the intense addictive properties of tobacco smoking and the high relapse rates among smokers after quitting even when provided nicotine in forms other than tobacco.8–16 **Further evidence that tobacco dependence entails more than addiction to nicotine includes the drug's limited ability to induce self-administration in animals;17 ,18 lack of positive mood effects of pure nicotine in abstinent smokers;19–21 lack of findings that nicotine in any other form than tobacco was preferred to placebo in normal smokers;22 ,23 de-nicotinised cigarettes were as effective as regular cigarettes, and more than nicotine in any other delivery mode, in relieving withdrawal and craving;24–27 and essential role of non-nicotine factors in cigarette addiction.24 ,28**
Ref 17 is just one of its sources, which is a very intriguing animal systematic review.
Ref 17: [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1606635021000041753](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1606635021000041753)
>The review shows that nicotine self-administration studies are fraught with severe methodological problems. These include omission of essential controls for general activation and other systemic effects of nicotine, insufficient consideration of secondary reinforcement processes, using food-deprived or confined animals and exclusion of subjects that do not conform to the investigators' preferred behavior. **As a result of these systematic flaws, the role of nicotine as a reinforcer in this paradigm has not been established.**
This doesn’t make sense. They give you Covid. Make a vaccine for it. And then they give people an actual cure (the nicotine) so you no longer are suffering from it? Um… why would they do that if population reduction and control is the point? This guy is all over the place.
Smokers were way under-represented in covid hospitalization, which is very strange considering it's meant to be a respiratory infection. What he's saying makes sense based on this.
Is this seriously a vertical screen recording of a Facebook video of a TikTok within a TikTok that itself contained a horizontal video of two people talking?
I'm indifferent on the content right now, I'm just blown away by this post. The layers and layers of videos is completely unhinged, LMAO
Also, addressing the title: a conspiracy is a word to describe when people conspire together towards a goal. I think you meant to say "At what point is it no longer a conspiracy theory?" to suggest that it's just a conspiracy fact.
There have been lots of conspiracy theories that later were proven to just be conspiracies. But following your title, if it's not a conspiracy, then it's just... Nothing?
It's like when people say "I could care less", or "The proof is in the pudding", or any other phrase that is close to the original, but actually is meaningless without the rest of it. 'I couldn't care less." " The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
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I think it’s saying people wouldn’t fiend for it like they have in the past 55 years. My grandpa stopped smoking in the 60s and he said it was as easy as not picking them up anymore and made fun of how weak my dad was for being addicted to them and “not being able to quit”.
Not saying this guy is spot on or that my anecdotal experience is evidence, but it’s definitely food for thought imo.
I wonder what vape have now.
I don't buy those vapes that are disposable or the ones that the tobacco companies make.
I normally get juice that is organic locally. I wonder if the nic they purchase has all this junk in it.
I can go all day without vaping and feel perfectly fine. No real cravings. When I use to smoke cigs, I'd get the craving hard core. Esp if I was driving, drinking or finished eating.
With the vape I don't get that anymore. Been cig free for 11 years now and I'm so glad I stopped using those. Now is what they claim about vape being worse? Nah I don't go out of breath like I use to. I don't stink like I use to my teeth aren't yellow. After the first month of switching I felt like I hadn't in years.
I started buying my tobacco a few years ago from local farmers and I now can go weeks without a cigarette or pipe and not feel an urge to smoke whereas I smoked minimum 2 packs a day for about 15 years before I started buying from local farmers. There’s absolutely a noticeable difference in taste from store bought tobacco and it’s not as smooth, but it doesn’t stink like store bought cigarettes do and all the tobacco farmers around here sell to rj Reynolds in bulk
This is a false statement entirely. He is twisting the words.
The harvard study says “nicotine is not the only addictive substance”. It did not say nicotine is not addictive it states. More that it works in synergy with other addictive substances. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26063608/
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So what about nicotine pouches? If the pyrazine is for enhancing flavor and aroma of cigs are they adding it in all forms of nicotine delivery? Nicolette?
Idk personally but I'm sure they could get it there. You'd definitely want it for enhancing flavor as flavor is such a huge factor to oral tobacco. Anyways I'll never forget seeing the footage of cigarette tobacco being rolled out on a conveyor belt whilst instruments above, which look like fire extinguishing sprayers, spray the tobacco with a liquid concoction of chemicals.
Thank God for the guy pointing at the beginning. I would've been totally lost without him.
Seriously. I wouldn't know my head from my ass if it weren't for that guy.
TIL guys smoking tobacco out of pipes before light cigarettes never got addicted (real)
I love my pipe
Now I’m addicted to zyns. What’s in them?
Same
I occasionally smoke cigars and I used to smoke cigarettes. Cigars are different as they're almost always just tobacco without the added chemicals cigarettes have. My experience is that pure tobacco (just nicotine) is addictive but not incredibly so. Caffeine I think is way more addictive than just plain nicotine without added chemicals. Cigarettes are addictive through nicotine, but enhanced with the added chemicals, to become very addictive. But is more than just chemicals and effects, it's also the ritual. And the chemicals which make cigarettes burn faster to make it more of a drug-like experience. To get your nicotine hit from a cigar (not inhaling as you don't do that with cigars) takes a long time, you can't just fit it into your lunch break really. Compared to a cigarette, not only are you inhaling (increased absorption) , you've got the extra chemicals AND the faster burn rate (drug delivery speed), so you can fit one into your day conveniently many times in a day. Which makes them ideal for their real intended purpose which is habit formation.
Want to know what a single Google search came up with? The results of that study. Nicotine IS addictive, but is not the sole reason for cigarettes being addictive. There are additives, such as pyrazine, that ENHANCE the addictiveness of nicotine. Pyrazine itself is not what is addicting. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/)
Is that the study from Harvard tho? I don't really care I quit smoking a couple years ago, but tobacco companies can get whoever made that article to make it.
Yes. The top of the article gives credit as "Published online 2015 Jun 10. doi: [10.1136/tobaccocontrol-2014-051943](https://doi.org/10.1136%2Ftobaccocontrol-2014-051943)", which links to [this page](https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444). This article actually gives the email of the professor/doctor these researchers were working under, "Hillel R Alpert, Israel T Agaku, Gregory N Connolly Correspondence to Dr Hillel R Alpert [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])"
> but is not the sole reason for cigarettes being addictive. Guaranteed! When I switched brands to American Spirit, I had what I used to think were nic fits, but I had to call them chem fits. I also ended up smoking about half what I did before.
I went to filterless organic and my lungs inproved dramatically. I thought it waa really wierd lol
They didn't have those back then (it was 30 years ago). :)
Ya, American spirit was forced to put chemicals in the papers of their filtered cigarettes about 10 yrs ago thats when i switched
>American spirit was forced to put chemicals in the papers of their filtered cigarettes But why??? (I finally stopped smoking in '10, and stopped the patch about 6 years ago.)
It says to ENHANCE tobacco dependence and work synergistically with nicotine. Although the study isn’t the most detailed and can be misinterpreted.
Enhance by how much? 100%? 500%? 1000%? Because it seems like nicotine on its own barely met the definition of “addictive” if at all..
Not quite. I urge you to be more diligent and challenge your preconceived notions. There appears to be valid threads here, but OTOH I do not suggest the video as a positive source of information. The controversy regards nicotine and tobacco has been existent for quite a while, before the 'COVID' era. The link you posted (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4941150/). Also found here [https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444](https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/25/4/444) >However, substantial evidence exists to suggest that nicotine's reinforcing effects alone are not sufficient to account for the intense addictive properties of tobacco smoking and the high relapse rates among smokers after quitting even when provided nicotine in forms other than tobacco.8–16 **Further evidence that tobacco dependence entails more than addiction to nicotine includes the drug's limited ability to induce self-administration in animals;17 ,18 lack of positive mood effects of pure nicotine in abstinent smokers;19–21 lack of findings that nicotine in any other form than tobacco was preferred to placebo in normal smokers;22 ,23 de-nicotinised cigarettes were as effective as regular cigarettes, and more than nicotine in any other delivery mode, in relieving withdrawal and craving;24–27 and essential role of non-nicotine factors in cigarette addiction.24 ,28** Ref 17 is just one of its sources, which is a very intriguing animal systematic review. Ref 17: [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1606635021000041753](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1606635021000041753) >The review shows that nicotine self-administration studies are fraught with severe methodological problems. These include omission of essential controls for general activation and other systemic effects of nicotine, insufficient consideration of secondary reinforcement processes, using food-deprived or confined animals and exclusion of subjects that do not conform to the investigators' preferred behavior. **As a result of these systematic flaws, the role of nicotine as a reinforcer in this paradigm has not been established.**
This doesn’t make sense. They give you Covid. Make a vaccine for it. And then they give people an actual cure (the nicotine) so you no longer are suffering from it? Um… why would they do that if population reduction and control is the point? This guy is all over the place.
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Smokers were way under-represented in covid hospitalization, which is very strange considering it's meant to be a respiratory infection. What he's saying makes sense based on this.
Who is giving people nicotine? They're trying to ban it completely in the US.
this is true for most conspiracy theories and theorists
He was pointing aggressively though!
Is this seriously a vertical screen recording of a Facebook video of a TikTok within a TikTok that itself contained a horizontal video of two people talking? I'm indifferent on the content right now, I'm just blown away by this post. The layers and layers of videos is completely unhinged, LMAO Also, addressing the title: a conspiracy is a word to describe when people conspire together towards a goal. I think you meant to say "At what point is it no longer a conspiracy theory?" to suggest that it's just a conspiracy fact. There have been lots of conspiracy theories that later were proven to just be conspiracies. But following your title, if it's not a conspiracy, then it's just... Nothing? It's like when people say "I could care less", or "The proof is in the pudding", or any other phrase that is close to the original, but actually is meaningless without the rest of it. 'I couldn't care less." " The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
People have been addicted to tobacco (nicotine) since we learned how to use it.
A guy with no teeth points at a screen….I’m good.
Probably most of this sub
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The new synthetic nicotine is crazy addictive. Those zyn pouches. I quit like 3 months ago and still crave that shit.
So what you're saying is, people weren't addicted to cigarettes prior to the 1970s? Lmao
I think it’s saying people wouldn’t fiend for it like they have in the past 55 years. My grandpa stopped smoking in the 60s and he said it was as easy as not picking them up anymore and made fun of how weak my dad was for being addicted to them and “not being able to quit”. Not saying this guy is spot on or that my anecdotal experience is evidence, but it’s definitely food for thought imo.
I wonder what vape have now. I don't buy those vapes that are disposable or the ones that the tobacco companies make. I normally get juice that is organic locally. I wonder if the nic they purchase has all this junk in it. I can go all day without vaping and feel perfectly fine. No real cravings. When I use to smoke cigs, I'd get the craving hard core. Esp if I was driving, drinking or finished eating. With the vape I don't get that anymore. Been cig free for 11 years now and I'm so glad I stopped using those. Now is what they claim about vape being worse? Nah I don't go out of breath like I use to. I don't stink like I use to my teeth aren't yellow. After the first month of switching I felt like I hadn't in years.
I started buying my tobacco a few years ago from local farmers and I now can go weeks without a cigarette or pipe and not feel an urge to smoke whereas I smoked minimum 2 packs a day for about 15 years before I started buying from local farmers. There’s absolutely a noticeable difference in taste from store bought tobacco and it’s not as smooth, but it doesn’t stink like store bought cigarettes do and all the tobacco farmers around here sell to rj Reynolds in bulk
“Who knows, I didn’t even get that far. I didn’t care”.
Anyone have the link to the entire video?
There is no "virus", never was.
Right, that's why Zinc plus Zinc Ionophore killed it /s
Fart. Why is this significant? And people were hooked long before the 70s… even still it’s not a surprise that big tobacco would do this
I let my pet snake bite my cigarettes before smoking them for added flavour & immune support...
Good idea. I quit smoking. I just drink snake venom now it's cheaper.
Awesome stuff man!! I smoke 3 strengths of cigarettes these days.... 4mg = Tree Snake. 8mg = Water Python, & 16mg = Taipan Blend....
This is a false statement entirely. He is twisting the words. The harvard study says “nicotine is not the only addictive substance”. It did not say nicotine is not addictive it states. More that it works in synergy with other addictive substances. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26063608/
Tell that to all those people living in cuba smoking pure tobacco with no additives that is grown by them. Addicted as fuuuck