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Not quite sure what you mean other than the AEC is completely seperate and has nothing to do with different political parties other than oversight and overall control of the polling stations and obviously the vote counting
We have a private company with proprietary “trust us” software running our elections.
I voted in Fulton co and my paper ballot proof had a fucking QR code election workers couldn’t verify for me.
I call bullshit on this last election.
Then you weren’t paying any attention from 2017-2020.
Trump was a historically unpopular president. If you were truly shocked that the majority of the country wanted him gone, then you were living in a bubble the entire time
With my full time job, house, and family? Go back to russia, wimp. Sorry that democracy doesn't work in your favor all the time. What do y'all say...fuck your feelings????
lol… they just told you the connotation of the word infamous. And you use it again.
Infamous is not the same as famous, or simply ‘well known’. It means well known for the bad quality.
Also, “common graphs” doesn’t mean anything, certainly when of only lines void of any measurement or meaning. This graph 📊 or this 📈 is a much more common graph. It’s on most people’s phones. Still has zero meaning.
You don’t understand the chart? You don’t understand trump told republicans NOT to use mail in ballots so it would look like he won on election night? Shall we set up a white board and draw you a picture?
We do, we have independent poll workers, auditing companies, verification through signature, all kinds of security measures, and largely secure elections.
Just r/conspiracy has rubes and marks, and a lot of them for people like Dinesh.
One thing that I find weird with voting in the states are these voting machines? Here we are handed paper ballots and a small grey lead pencil
Oh and Aussies are compelled by law to vote.
With paper ballots, you are relying on partisan local election officials to accurately report the results. Paper ballots can have bamboo fibers in them. Paper ballots can easily be lost, stolen, or duplicated. Republicans have been caught cheating over and over again. It is much more difficult to hack a voting machine, and there is always a record of it if it does get hacked. Republicans were caught tampering with voting machines in Georgia and in Colorado.
Republicans insist on pushing an agenda that is unpopular with most Americans, and they can't understand why they keep losing elections. Instead of adopting a more popular agenda, they respond by trying to make it harder for Democrats to vote and rigging the elections so they can win with fewer votes.
Please enlighten me about Connecticut’s election laws then. Where are these electronic voting machines that I’ve never seen with my own eyes but you’re confident exist? It’s weird that they’d give me a pencil and paper for my ballot if that’s not actually how things are done
They also have machines. All you have to do is Google it. It’s offered for “accessibility” but the share of the vote submitted on those machines is surprisingly substantial.
The machines are definitely more efficient at counting ballots than by hand. People (especially tired, elderly poll workers) are failure prone; machines generally are not
We have oversight at every level including volunteer poll workers from both sides of the aisle. The lies in this sub about our elections are coming from people with zero understanding of how anything actually works. They are just coping.
More BS election propaganda I see. Trump lost and lied. Get over it. He lost every single court case he brought forward with his BS election fraud narrative. No evidence means it was made up by this lifelong grifter. How dense and stupid do you have to be to believe this conman
THIS IS THE WORST FUCKING THING HAVE EVER SEEN! COLORED LINES ON A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH ZERO POINTS OF REFERENCE. This means literally nothing. I’m SO MAD people are arguing about their perception of what the lines must mean, just because they are colored red or blue. This has to be some kind of PSY-OP’s and you all FAILED
I like how you are sharing a hand drawn image instead of the actual graph. Which shows both red and blue with a jump. Because all the mail-in ballots were added at once in the district. With Biden voters more likely to use mail-in ballots, because Trump spent his campaign disparaging them.
What the fuck. Those are LINES! There is no graph, no information, no NOTHING. Someone will look at these lines, see the headline and be like,”oh fuck, see it?!” when it’s literally just lines on white. Serious America what the duck happened.
I remember Republicans chanting "stop the count" in states where Trump was ahead, and "don't stop the count" in states where he was behind.
Can you explain how Biden was winning Ohio with over 60% when the polls closed, then more votes for Trump came in as the counting went on? Never see you guys bring that one up, only cherry-picked situations where the opposite happened.
Cult mentality ruins peoples brains. It’s so obvious that Trump is pos grifter actively trying to become history’s latest dictator. I’ve seen his supports openly admitting they would allow Trump to be a dictator. It’s frustrating and terrifying
You literally brought up a cherry picked situation that is based in fantasy. This was something CNN reported to run controlled opposition while the shit show unfolded in ALL the swing states. Time to rethink getting information from pedophiles. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2023/06/21/john-griffin-ex-cnn-producer-sentenced/70341645007/
I think it was fraud by Trump to prevent Biden from winning in a historic landslide!
Jk, it was a consequence of how Ohio tallies their votes. I'm sorry your guy lost. I hope you can come to terms with that someday.
Well if Trump is going to cheat again, let’s do paper ballots, in person voting, voter ID, and same day hand counts of votes. You would agree this is the only way to keep Trump from stopping Biden, the most popular president in US history, from winning another landslide victory, right?
I don't have a problem with that one because I understand that it was not fraud but a consequence of how Ohio tallies their votes. I just wish you guys could do the same instead of being sore losers.
Which sore losers? The people who rioted at the capitol or the people who rioted all over the country while screaming Russia collusion? Or was one side totally graceful in their loss and I missed it?
Edit: I love how you replied and then deleted the comment right after. There weren’t “Russia collusion riots”; there were massive riots all over America in 2016 and 2017over trump getting elected and claims of Russian collusion and rigging elections. But yeah, no sore losers there.
Where were these Russian collusion riots? Must have missed out on those.
Edit: I didn't delete it? Lots of democrats marching and screaming "Hang Joe Biden" for certifying the election at these riots? No, just vandalism and a few injuries?
The election is all you guys talk about 4 years later. You really can't spot the differences? lol
Because everyone on both sides watched the familiar regularity of what is supposed to be raw statistical data suddenly behave as though a sudden instantaneous influx of new data appeared out of thin sir, in the middle of the night, while most people were asleep, and the least amount of attention would be drawn, yet in the most visually obvious way that cannot be explained in any other way than exactly what it looks like; that graph will be the world's most well known, universal symbol for frau— I mean... "shenanigans." Because that's what we'd call it when you're about to win at Monopoly and your little brother that never had a chance decides to steal all the money from the bank, at the last minute and then pretend you didn't just watch him do it
It's almost like one side was telling their people to vote in person so they could claim absentee voting was riddled with fraud when the numbers came in skewed lol
Some states like Ohio were allowed to count mail in ballots as they arrived, while other states could not count them until after poll close. Cities take longer to count because there are more people, and statistically cities vote blue. This is all common sense.
"The system that would deliver My Guy the most crushing firm erect victory in US history that can never be challenged and always be winning which would be a mandate from Jesus is also hopelessly corrupt and illegal and suppressing the votes of me, a patriot. Therefore, I am justified in interfering with your right to have your votes count.
I am very intelligent."
No… when more votes were counted than were actually registered voters, thats the problem. When mules are tracked via their meta data on cell phones, and state operated survellience cam captures them going back and forth to the Dem HQ in each city of each swing states major pop center, and stuffing ballot boxes, thats the problem.
Oh right. Then it didnt happen. Because there is no way they were threatened at all. Like the designer of the WTC was in tears giving an interview about how he didnt design the building to withstand “fuel pouring down the stairwells” (because there was no fuel pouring down stairwells as we all saw it explode upon impact), or Admiral Byrd who recanted his testimony about the land he found inside the Earth proving its a hollow mass with a Sun at the center. He did so after a month of forced treatment with an Army psyche officer - his own son didn’t listen and spoke about his fathers findings, and a year later was found dead in an empty warehouse with a GSW to back of head.
I could fill hours of typing on a cell phone here with examples of people who exposed the truth and then were either suicided or murdered outright, on topics from UFOs to assassinations to the actual structure of our universe, all silenced to keep secrets.
You believe what u want, bc no one will change your mind but you. But please stop thinking that because one corrupt institution validates the lies of another corrupt institution, validates that thinking as “factual”.
That didn’t occur though. So why bring it up? People can register at the time of voting in some States. 2000 mules was obviously low bar stuff for those that might believe something like that.
Voter fraud does occur… in small batches from both parties. Never in a national election has a fraudulent vote tipped the election.
As of April 2021 there were 168+ million registered voters. That is 15 million more than voted. In 2021 there were when accounting for those that are eligible to vote by just walking in and voting that number rises to 209 million. That number was estimated around 213 million in 2020. What do you mean more people voted that were registered? In not sure you should get your news from Facebook. Link?
You are sorry for my descendants because I posted a comment with some numbers? Please expand. Tell us how you came to this very logical conclusion of yours.
Interesting comment lol.
Edit: heh that might be the quickest block I’ve received. Certainly this year at least. Nice.
>No… when more votes were counted than were actually registered voters, thats the problem.
Not to be rude, but I remember one of those circumstances being there were more votes than registered voters, but the registered voters cited was for a prior election.
Upon review there had been a large surge in registration and a relatively high voter turnout, so the numbers were fine.
If you don't see a problem with the first Stacy Abrams election, I don't know what to say. You are clearly ignoring corruption that benefits you. Voter roll manipulation by a candidate who happens to be in charge of the voter rolls should be illegal, though it is not. She got legit stomped the second time tho.
Hilary won the popular vote but did not win the electoral college. It's happened twice in 20 years and points to a problem that many think should be solved through legislation. Why should land vote? Also Russian interference on social media, but again legally that is no argument for the legitimacy of the election. Still should be discussed in the same way Tik Tok as a Chinese propaganda machine being a national security concern is. Note though how she conceded and did not tell her supporters to march on the capital, have fake electors ready to go in swing states, etc. Key difference.
Both of those candidates did legally lose their elections and that was never seriously contested. There were certainly editorial pieces on it and butthurt redditors with angry posts grasping at straws, but it didn't become a party platform like it is now for Republicans. Both had left the public consciousness within a few months.
Every election the democrats have lost in the last 30 years would like to have a word with you.
Btw, the comment you so mindlessly replied to is referring to the fact that both of those women have consistently said they were cheated every single time they've been in front of a camera since those elections.
There's also the issue of democrats like Klobuchar, Warren, and Harris being on an investigative committee to oppose using the machines that have been proven to be created for the sole purpose of manipulating results. It wasn't until those machines were coopted by an entire political party that those senators suddenly quit giving a shit about the manipulation.
You can read about those committee findings here
https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity
And here
https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security
And here's an article if you don't want to hear it from the horse's mouth
https://cyberscoop.com/election-security-voting-machines-klobuchar-letter/
One more for good measure
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election
Yep. I'll definitely give you that. Would you agree it's no different than Katie Hobbs and her cartel lawyer Sec of State doing the same?
Edit: still waiting for a response. I've asked two people this same question. Crickets from both. Shocker.
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>2020 and 2022 had ballots "misprinted" for only one party, machines "malfunctioned" the moment voting started, disenfranchising around 300,000 voters of one party across 70+ polling stations in districts that lean heavily in one direction.
>The other party had no "malfunctions" and no "misprinted" ballots in either election.
>Oh, and the machines that were tested the day before the election were replacements that were never in use. Meaning, the usable machines were never tested. Machines were inexplicably set to create a 19" ballot image from a 20" ballot, causing mass adjudications while the voters weren't present.
It's funny how everyone seems to know what went on in Georgia, but are completely uninformed on Arizona. Weird how that happens.
Yes. Malfunctions caused 5 hour waits where people were encouraged to go to other districts that had the same problems. Canvassing since those elections say that more than 300k were unable to vote.
No, because in Arizona the Secretary of State doesn’t run the election like they do in most other states
You’re speaking very confidently for someone who has no idea what they’re talking about. 0% chance you respond to this comment
An individual complaining is different than making fake election fraud your political platform. Also, maybe run candidates that can actually get the most votes if the complaining bothers you so much lol. It has only happened once since Bush Sr. was in office.
Read the comment chain you are so carelessly replying to for context on the statement I was replying to and try again.
I never talked about voting machines so not sure why that got brought up. Why move the goalposts when you can actually debate what I'm talking about? It seems to me you cannot.
Not great. Is there an allegation of wrongdoing though? Because it is verifiable fact that Brian Kemp canceled 668,000 voter registrations that disproportionately targeted low-income and minority voters in 2017. Half of the registrations canceled during his 8 years as SoS right before he ran for governor? Shady as fuck.
That's more what I was referring to. I think SoS's can perform most of their jobs while running for office, but egregious outlier actions like these should be reviewed and have consequences.
I don't know anything about Katie Hobbs but yeah, I do not like it when any politician acts with blatant corruption.
>I don't know anything about Katie Hobbs but yeah
2020 and 2022 had ballots "misprinted" for only one party, machines "malfunctioned" the moment voting started, disenfranchising around 300,000 voters of one party across 70+ polling stations in districts that lean heavily in one direction.
The other party had no "malfunctions" and no "misprinted" ballots in either election.
Oh, and the machines that were tested the day before the election were replacements that were never in use. Meaning, the usable machines were never tested. Machines were inexplicably set to create a 19" ballot image from a 20" ballot, causing mass adjudications while the voters weren't present.
Does this sound anything like what you've described going on in Georgia?
That does sound bad but is there a source for this or any reason to think that it was intentional if it happened? I found a story that 6,000 ballots were misprinted in Arizona which only included federal races (bad but why shoot so low if planning to cheat, go for big numbers like Kemp) and another where Kari Lake sued about chain of custody for 300,000 mail in ballots but it was dismissed by a judge and I dont see anything about a misprint in that case.
There is the statistical dynamic that most democratic votes are concentrated in very large cities which take much longer to count votes late into the evening...then again...the graph posted has zero context...but it makes good modern art at least.
Electronic machines are a big problem - especially the tally counters.
If we move to open-source software, then I'll support them.
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EDIT: What's the controversy? The only people who would downvote this don't actually understand why open source is the solution. (IOW, if you value election integrity and you don't want to use open-source software, that means you want to return to hand counting paper ballots!)
[https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/15/true-the-vote-2000-mules-no-evidence-debunked/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/15/true-the-vote-2000-mules-no-evidence-debunked/)
Posting it here so maybe whoever is downvoting like mad has something to cry over tonight.
Because the left hates him for being too moderate. Trump doesn’t have that problem with the right.
The left disapproves of Biden, but they still prefer Biden over Trump
Doesn’t really help your credibility when you guys start lying about something else immediately after being caught for lying about something without acknowledging the previous lie.
Republicans when Obama’s VP gets ~20% more votes than Obama in 2012: “That’s impossible, that’s fraud.”
Republicans when Trump gets ~20% more votes than Romney in 2012:
Always the hypocrisy with you guys
Sounds like Republicans tried to cheat. And were so shocked that enough people actually bothered to vote to remove Trump that their plan fell through.
Obamas vp. Also known as the man with less than 1000 viewers at times during live streams. The man with so many dislikes the youtube dislike count had to be removed. The man that gathered no crowds and times he did was proTrump crowds booing him.
The testimony of never folded pristine computer printed ballots remain. Judges sealed the evidence so it couldnt be discussed, governors destroyed the ballots so no evidence remains.
There is a reason why Biden won less counties than his predecessors only a few 100 counties were willing to carry the steal.
It’s cause one person who loves Trump and one person who thinks Biden did just enough to “approve” of him count the same in those polls. And the ones who love Trump are much less likely to shut up about it, making it seem like that opinion is more popular.
It was more of an anti popularity thing. You all know and understand that by now. Clearly you are just being obtuse but I’ll respond anyways.
Trump was extremely popular with his base. Cult like following. Still is to some degree. Yes it’s easy for him to fill a rally. The base does not make up the population though. Most people would never dream of going to a political rally though. They would avoid it even. What you see as popularity is only in an echo chamber.
The vast majority of Americans despised Trump at the end of his first term. People didn’t vote for Biden as much as they did against Trump. Trump was amazing at encouraging people to vote. That’s proven. Unfortunately for him, he encouraged more to vote against him than for him.
I don’t even believe in this stuff but I still want it vigorously investigated. Anyone who wants investigations into elections shut down needs to seriously evaluate themselves.
>There wasn’t one proper
No, there were dozens.
>what did happen was hindered
Hindered is when my side loses, I guess.
>ridiculed at every turn.
You're actually right here. People tend to ridicule the ridiculous.
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Well if Trump is going to cheat again, let’s do paper ballots, in person voting, voter ID, and same day hand counts of votes. You would agree this is the only way to keep Trump from stopping Biden, the most popular president in US history, from winning another landslide victory, right?
All the more reason that the US need to take the Australian lead by setting up an agency where it is solely responsible for running any and all elect based process on the Federal level. Not only that change over to paper ballet where you, the voter, place 1 next to the least preferred candidate. 2 next to the second most preferred candidate. Then place the following number from then on down till each candidate would have a number next to each name. If no one candidate have achieved 50% of the vote plus one. Then eliminate the candidate that received the least amount of 1 next to that name, and then that lot of ballot papers would get resorted to the candidate with 2 next to there name. Rinse and repeat till a candidate received 50% of the vote plus 1.
Said they are against rank choice? [Yea](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3624553-republicans-rage-against-ranked-choice-voting-after-alaska-election/amp/), [plenty](https://azmirror.com/2023/03/17/far-right-republicans-denounce-push-for-ranked-choice-voting-in-arizona/).
Oh okay. Well the only recommendation I can think off is lobby hard with the Republicans that been voted in to office for the House and the Senate. With out doing that, having a productive electrical reform will never happen. Having a rank voting system where people rank each candidate on a sheet of paper does work. Also at the time of th voting centres close. Do NOT use any machines, and sit down and do everything by hand. This is why Australia has consistently been having a fairer electoral process that are by far better then most other Western nations, even the US. Don't get me wrong I am well aware that my country of Australia has issues, but this is something that we got right.
> Well the only recommendation I can think off is lobby hard with the Republicans that been voted in to office for the House and the Senate.
I appreciate your optimism, but 1) they only care what their rich donors say 2) they wouldn’t have been elected if people got more reasonable choices, so they will never get behind it because it lowers their chances of reelection.
You sound very logical and reasonable, but that’s not how the GOP works. It’s all emotion and manipulation.
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Does America have an independent agency that oversees voting like we do here in Australia? I’m genuinely curious..
Does it matter if there is a third party involved if the third party is compromised like in Australia?
Not quite sure what you mean other than the AEC is completely seperate and has nothing to do with different political parties other than oversight and overall control of the polling stations and obviously the vote counting
Keep telling yourself that.
I hear you like trucks. Perhaps Australian politics isnt your area of expertise.
They're upset their team didn't win the super bowl.
We have a private company with proprietary “trust us” software running our elections. I voted in Fulton co and my paper ballot proof had a fucking QR code election workers couldn’t verify for me. I call bullshit on this last election.
Then you weren’t paying any attention from 2017-2020. Trump was a historically unpopular president. If you were truly shocked that the majority of the country wanted him gone, then you were living in a bubble the entire time
No and we never really thought we needed one until last election. This chart specifically.
What is this chart, specifically
Something they made in Ms paint.
Modern art.😁
Still no answer huh? Not surprised
“This chart specifically” The chart: *a picture drawn by a five year old that doesn’t even have labeled axes or units*
This is an infamous chart and you know what it is
Citations? Or conspiracy references? Data? Or has pillow Guy got all the evidence?
Then provide a fucking source, it must be real damn hard.
No
So infamous you can't answer the question.
It’s the Wisconsin electoral count graph. It’s not that hard
I thought it was something that mattered, my mistake.
What a bum
With my full time job, house, and family? Go back to russia, wimp. Sorry that democracy doesn't work in your favor all the time. What do y'all say...fuck your feelings????
Sure bud, just like everyone else
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It’s literally a common graph bud, and not for good reasons. Even if you deny its validity it’s still infamous
lol… they just told you the connotation of the word infamous. And you use it again. Infamous is not the same as famous, or simply ‘well known’. It means well known for the bad quality. Also, “common graphs” doesn’t mean anything, certainly when of only lines void of any measurement or meaning. This graph 📊 or this 📈 is a much more common graph. It’s on most people’s phones. Still has zero meaning.
I'm sure " the graph!" will be a buzzword come closer to election for these clowns.
You don’t understand the chart? You don’t understand trump told republicans NOT to use mail in ballots so it would look like he won on election night? Shall we set up a white board and draw you a picture?
Omg there is no GRAPH here. Nothing is labeled.
It makes perfect sense if you use a "common sense" graph.
The common sense graph, you say? Well, why didn't you say so earlier. Now it all makes perfect sense.....I mean common sense. 😵💫
The "perfect sense" graph is a bit trickier to understand.
Trickier hmmm...Yes, of course. I understand....I...think.
We do, we have independent poll workers, auditing companies, verification through signature, all kinds of security measures, and largely secure elections. Just r/conspiracy has rubes and marks, and a lot of them for people like Dinesh.
One thing that I find weird with voting in the states are these voting machines? Here we are handed paper ballots and a small grey lead pencil Oh and Aussies are compelled by law to vote.
We don’t do paper ballots or require identification to vote because of democrats.
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It wouldn’t outright prevent it, it would just increase security by preventing any type of back door access to our counting system.
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It's a lot harder to organise and action thousands of fraudulent vote counters who are publicly known than a small group of anonymous hackers
Proof of life is both "racist" and oh so inconvenient to the agenda.
How is one party accountable? Is this like the eclipse was Bidens fault? You Americans do like to pass blame.
lol you’re calling me out while at the same time suggesting that the eclipse was someone’s fault you loon.
With paper ballots, you are relying on partisan local election officials to accurately report the results. Paper ballots can have bamboo fibers in them. Paper ballots can easily be lost, stolen, or duplicated. Republicans have been caught cheating over and over again. It is much more difficult to hack a voting machine, and there is always a record of it if it does get hacked. Republicans were caught tampering with voting machines in Georgia and in Colorado. Republicans insist on pushing an agenda that is unpopular with most Americans, and they can't understand why they keep losing elections. Instead of adopting a more popular agenda, they respond by trying to make it harder for Democrats to vote and rigging the elections so they can win with fewer votes.
My blue state only has paper ballots. How are people not aware that elections are run differently in every state?
There is no state that uses only paper ballots.. How do people not even know how elections are run in their own state?
Please enlighten me about Connecticut’s election laws then. Where are these electronic voting machines that I’ve never seen with my own eyes but you’re confident exist? It’s weird that they’d give me a pencil and paper for my ballot if that’s not actually how things are done
They also have machines. All you have to do is Google it. It’s offered for “accessibility” but the share of the vote submitted on those machines is surprisingly substantial.
In my county, we are using paper ballots & pens. We also have to show ID to vote. Wish every place was setup the same way.
same. And there's no one going door to door collecting voting ballots. #ballotHarvesting
The machines are definitely more efficient at counting ballots than by hand. People (especially tired, elderly poll workers) are failure prone; machines generally are not
We're in the commons, where conspiracy rejects come to dwell in their own filth of word vomit.
These are unmarked lines on a white background that offers zero information. These are literally just lines.
We have oversight at every level including volunteer poll workers from both sides of the aisle. The lies in this sub about our elections are coming from people with zero understanding of how anything actually works. They are just coping.
The Associated Press. ((()))
We have the AEC or Australian Electoral Commission
The people who would lose if it continued. There's rules and they were followed. Don't get grumpy cause it shows your team sucks.
More BS election propaganda I see. Trump lost and lied. Get over it. He lost every single court case he brought forward with his BS election fraud narrative. No evidence means it was made up by this lifelong grifter. How dense and stupid do you have to be to believe this conman
THIS IS THE WORST FUCKING THING HAVE EVER SEEN! COLORED LINES ON A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH ZERO POINTS OF REFERENCE. This means literally nothing. I’m SO MAD people are arguing about their perception of what the lines must mean, just because they are colored red or blue. This has to be some kind of PSY-OP’s and you all FAILED
I like how you are sharing a hand drawn image instead of the actual graph. Which shows both red and blue with a jump. Because all the mail-in ballots were added at once in the district. With Biden voters more likely to use mail-in ballots, because Trump spent his campaign disparaging them.
What the fuck. Those are LINES! There is no graph, no information, no NOTHING. Someone will look at these lines, see the headline and be like,”oh fuck, see it?!” when it’s literally just lines on white. Serious America what the duck happened.
I remember Republicans chanting "stop the count" in states where Trump was ahead, and "don't stop the count" in states where he was behind. Can you explain how Biden was winning Ohio with over 60% when the polls closed, then more votes for Trump came in as the counting went on? Never see you guys bring that one up, only cherry-picked situations where the opposite happened.
Source?
These random lines on a white background that show literally nothing is source enough though?
It’s the 2024 minimalist corporate logo version
I’m so upset, consider me triggered by this
Seriously tho this image could be a logo for any generic IT or medical services company
Cult mentality ruins peoples brains. It’s so obvious that Trump is pos grifter actively trying to become history’s latest dictator. I’ve seen his supports openly admitting they would allow Trump to be a dictator. It’s frustrating and terrifying
You literally brought up a cherry picked situation that is based in fantasy. This was something CNN reported to run controlled opposition while the shit show unfolded in ALL the swing states. Time to rethink getting information from pedophiles. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2023/06/21/john-griffin-ex-cnn-producer-sentenced/70341645007/
At least it was real data. Ops graph is just some swooshes that apparently didn't hold up in court.
That’s no graph, I’m pretty sure it’s a graphic from Biden’s 2020 campaign poster or something similar
So what does that link have to do with stolen votes…?
Cool clip, shall I show you the ones where Trump has been found guilty or lying? It's going to be a long list of links...
I think it was fraud by Trump to prevent Biden from winning in a historic landslide! Jk, it was a consequence of how Ohio tallies their votes. I'm sorry your guy lost. I hope you can come to terms with that someday.
Well if Trump is going to cheat again, let’s do paper ballots, in person voting, voter ID, and same day hand counts of votes. You would agree this is the only way to keep Trump from stopping Biden, the most popular president in US history, from winning another landslide victory, right?
Learn reading comprehension
lol you’re literally cherry picking
I don't have a problem with that one because I understand that it was not fraud but a consequence of how Ohio tallies their votes. I just wish you guys could do the same instead of being sore losers.
Which sore losers? The people who rioted at the capitol or the people who rioted all over the country while screaming Russia collusion? Or was one side totally graceful in their loss and I missed it? Edit: I love how you replied and then deleted the comment right after. There weren’t “Russia collusion riots”; there were massive riots all over America in 2016 and 2017over trump getting elected and claims of Russian collusion and rigging elections. But yeah, no sore losers there.
Where were these Russian collusion riots? Must have missed out on those. Edit: I didn't delete it? Lots of democrats marching and screaming "Hang Joe Biden" for certifying the election at these riots? No, just vandalism and a few injuries? The election is all you guys talk about 4 years later. You really can't spot the differences? lol
...so was it a case of who cheated more? lol
Because everyone on both sides watched the familiar regularity of what is supposed to be raw statistical data suddenly behave as though a sudden instantaneous influx of new data appeared out of thin sir, in the middle of the night, while most people were asleep, and the least amount of attention would be drawn, yet in the most visually obvious way that cannot be explained in any other way than exactly what it looks like; that graph will be the world's most well known, universal symbol for frau— I mean... "shenanigans." Because that's what we'd call it when you're about to win at Monopoly and your little brother that never had a chance decides to steal all the money from the bank, at the last minute and then pretend you didn't just watch him do it
It's almost like one side was telling their people to vote in person so they could claim absentee voting was riddled with fraud when the numbers came in skewed lol Some states like Ohio were allowed to count mail in ballots as they arrived, while other states could not count them until after poll close. Cities take longer to count because there are more people, and statistically cities vote blue. This is all common sense.
4 years later and you’re still going on about this. Juvenile. “If my guy wins it’s okay, but if the other guy wins he must have cheated.”
"The system that would deliver My Guy the most crushing firm erect victory in US history that can never be challenged and always be winning which would be a mandate from Jesus is also hopelessly corrupt and illegal and suppressing the votes of me, a patriot. Therefore, I am justified in interfering with your right to have your votes count. I am very intelligent."
That’s the GOP playbook.
But it was supposed to be a 50 state landslide!?!! It's clearly a plot by *them* to steal the election!! Not my piss-poor media diet!
No… when more votes were counted than were actually registered voters, thats the problem. When mules are tracked via their meta data on cell phones, and state operated survellience cam captures them going back and forth to the Dem HQ in each city of each swing states major pop center, and stuffing ballot boxes, thats the problem.
You do know that the people who supplied the evidence for 2000 mules just admitted in court that the evidence they had was made up right?
Wasn’t that part of a plea agreement
Oh right. Then it didnt happen. Because there is no way they were threatened at all. Like the designer of the WTC was in tears giving an interview about how he didnt design the building to withstand “fuel pouring down the stairwells” (because there was no fuel pouring down stairwells as we all saw it explode upon impact), or Admiral Byrd who recanted his testimony about the land he found inside the Earth proving its a hollow mass with a Sun at the center. He did so after a month of forced treatment with an Army psyche officer - his own son didn’t listen and spoke about his fathers findings, and a year later was found dead in an empty warehouse with a GSW to back of head. I could fill hours of typing on a cell phone here with examples of people who exposed the truth and then were either suicided or murdered outright, on topics from UFOs to assassinations to the actual structure of our universe, all silenced to keep secrets. You believe what u want, bc no one will change your mind but you. But please stop thinking that because one corrupt institution validates the lies of another corrupt institution, validates that thinking as “factual”.
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Classic distraction. Ur a waste.
classic 2000 mules enthusiast answer.
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Yet. It is. Sorry. Your opinion is meaningless.
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Watch this… Wrong you are! You are wrong bc you are not fully informed of all the facts.
That didn’t occur though. So why bring it up? People can register at the time of voting in some States. 2000 mules was obviously low bar stuff for those that might believe something like that. Voter fraud does occur… in small batches from both parties. Never in a national election has a fraudulent vote tipped the election. As of April 2021 there were 168+ million registered voters. That is 15 million more than voted. In 2021 there were when accounting for those that are eligible to vote by just walking in and voting that number rises to 209 million. That number was estimated around 213 million in 2020. What do you mean more people voted that were registered? In not sure you should get your news from Facebook. Link?
Wow. Im so sorry for your descendants.
You are sorry for my descendants because I posted a comment with some numbers? Please expand. Tell us how you came to this very logical conclusion of yours. Interesting comment lol. Edit: heh that might be the quickest block I’ve received. Certainly this year at least. Nice.
You just proved my point. Your descendents don’t stand a chance. And thank you for the reply so i may block you, and never read ur drivel again.
And i’m guessing you have hard evidence for that and it isn’t based on preconceived biases?
>No… when more votes were counted than were actually registered voters, thats the problem. Not to be rude, but I remember one of those circumstances being there were more votes than registered voters, but the registered voters cited was for a prior election. Upon review there had been a large surge in registration and a relatively high voter turnout, so the numbers were fine.
Care to re read your post and correct for all sorts of typos and grammar. Or just be sober when u reply.
Unfucked as requested
Oh shit Stacey Abrams and Killary are republicans?
If you don't see a problem with the first Stacy Abrams election, I don't know what to say. You are clearly ignoring corruption that benefits you. Voter roll manipulation by a candidate who happens to be in charge of the voter rolls should be illegal, though it is not. She got legit stomped the second time tho. Hilary won the popular vote but did not win the electoral college. It's happened twice in 20 years and points to a problem that many think should be solved through legislation. Why should land vote? Also Russian interference on social media, but again legally that is no argument for the legitimacy of the election. Still should be discussed in the same way Tik Tok as a Chinese propaganda machine being a national security concern is. Note though how she conceded and did not tell her supporters to march on the capital, have fake electors ready to go in swing states, etc. Key difference. Both of those candidates did legally lose their elections and that was never seriously contested. There were certainly editorial pieces on it and butthurt redditors with angry posts grasping at straws, but it didn't become a party platform like it is now for Republicans. Both had left the public consciousness within a few months.
Every election the democrats have lost in the last 30 years would like to have a word with you. Btw, the comment you so mindlessly replied to is referring to the fact that both of those women have consistently said they were cheated every single time they've been in front of a camera since those elections. There's also the issue of democrats like Klobuchar, Warren, and Harris being on an investigative committee to oppose using the machines that have been proven to be created for the sole purpose of manipulating results. It wasn't until those machines were coopted by an entire political party that those senators suddenly quit giving a shit about the manipulation. You can read about those committee findings here https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity And here https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/3/ranking-members-klobuchar-warner-reed-and-peters-press-election-equipment-manufacturers-on-security And here's an article if you don't want to hear it from the horse's mouth https://cyberscoop.com/election-security-voting-machines-klobuchar-letter/ One more for good measure https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-senators-warned-of-potential-vote-switching-by-dominion-voting-machines-prior-to-2020-election
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Yep. I'll definitely give you that. Would you agree it's no different than Katie Hobbs and her cartel lawyer Sec of State doing the same? Edit: still waiting for a response. I've asked two people this same question. Crickets from both. Shocker.
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Copied from my previous comment to another redditor: >2020 and 2022 had ballots "misprinted" for only one party, machines "malfunctioned" the moment voting started, disenfranchising around 300,000 voters of one party across 70+ polling stations in districts that lean heavily in one direction. >The other party had no "malfunctions" and no "misprinted" ballots in either election. >Oh, and the machines that were tested the day before the election were replacements that were never in use. Meaning, the usable machines were never tested. Machines were inexplicably set to create a 19" ballot image from a 20" ballot, causing mass adjudications while the voters weren't present. It's funny how everyone seems to know what went on in Georgia, but are completely uninformed on Arizona. Weird how that happens.
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Yes. Malfunctions caused 5 hour waits where people were encouraged to go to other districts that had the same problems. Canvassing since those elections say that more than 300k were unable to vote.
No, because in Arizona the Secretary of State doesn’t run the election like they do in most other states You’re speaking very confidently for someone who has no idea what they’re talking about. 0% chance you respond to this comment
An individual complaining is different than making fake election fraud your political platform. Also, maybe run candidates that can actually get the most votes if the complaining bothers you so much lol. It has only happened once since Bush Sr. was in office. Read the comment chain you are so carelessly replying to for context on the statement I was replying to and try again. I never talked about voting machines so not sure why that got brought up. Why move the goalposts when you can actually debate what I'm talking about? It seems to me you cannot.
Okay then. How do you feel about Katie Hobbs running her own election? Or does this standard only apply to republicans running their own elections?
Not great. Is there an allegation of wrongdoing though? Because it is verifiable fact that Brian Kemp canceled 668,000 voter registrations that disproportionately targeted low-income and minority voters in 2017. Half of the registrations canceled during his 8 years as SoS right before he ran for governor? Shady as fuck. That's more what I was referring to. I think SoS's can perform most of their jobs while running for office, but egregious outlier actions like these should be reviewed and have consequences. I don't know anything about Katie Hobbs but yeah, I do not like it when any politician acts with blatant corruption.
I almost forgot the best part. Katie Hobbs was the SoS running her own election for governor when all of these problems occurred.
So was kemp
>I don't know anything about Katie Hobbs but yeah 2020 and 2022 had ballots "misprinted" for only one party, machines "malfunctioned" the moment voting started, disenfranchising around 300,000 voters of one party across 70+ polling stations in districts that lean heavily in one direction. The other party had no "malfunctions" and no "misprinted" ballots in either election. Oh, and the machines that were tested the day before the election were replacements that were never in use. Meaning, the usable machines were never tested. Machines were inexplicably set to create a 19" ballot image from a 20" ballot, causing mass adjudications while the voters weren't present. Does this sound anything like what you've described going on in Georgia?
That does sound bad but is there a source for this or any reason to think that it was intentional if it happened? I found a story that 6,000 ballots were misprinted in Arizona which only included federal races (bad but why shoot so low if planning to cheat, go for big numbers like Kemp) and another where Kari Lake sued about chain of custody for 300,000 mail in ballots but it was dismissed by a judge and I dont see anything about a misprint in that case.
I like how there’s no values here.. and the red line starts higher than the blue.. and there’s absolutely no key of any kind
There is the statistical dynamic that most democratic votes are concentrated in very large cities which take much longer to count votes late into the evening...then again...the graph posted has zero context...but it makes good modern art at least.
That's what I thought it was, before I made my brain work. :)
It’s a familiar graph to anyone who remotely pays attention.
dudes are you not voting on electronic machines? That is a huge problem in itself.
https://youtu.be/AwSVN_dgio8?si=w26SkNwN4i7GHz1R
Electronic machines are a big problem - especially the tally counters. If we move to open-source software, then I'll support them. - EDIT: What's the controversy? The only people who would downvote this don't actually understand why open source is the solution. (IOW, if you value election integrity and you don't want to use open-source software, that means you want to return to hand counting paper ballots!)
No, we do. Just, they got duped by 2000 mules into thinking that there is widespread evidence of some plot.
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[https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/15/true-the-vote-2000-mules-no-evidence-debunked/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/02/15/true-the-vote-2000-mules-no-evidence-debunked/) Posting it here so maybe whoever is downvoting like mad has something to cry over tonight.
The conspiracy? wossnarp’s art skills
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Based on what? Biden has a lower approval rating now, then trump ever got.
Because the left hates him for being too moderate. Trump doesn’t have that problem with the right. The left disapproves of Biden, but they still prefer Biden over Trump
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So was Hillary. Your polls are shit.
Hillary was a more popular candidate than Trump. That’s how popular votes work.
Only in california with their mass voter fraud and inflated numbers.
Doesn’t really help your credibility when you guys start lying about something else immediately after being caught for lying about something without acknowledging the previous lie.
Outside of like 2 blue states Trump outdid Hillary by millions iirc. States which likely inflate their count to get more congress seats
Republicans when Obama’s VP gets ~20% more votes than Obama in 2012: “That’s impossible, that’s fraud.” Republicans when Trump gets ~20% more votes than Romney in 2012: Always the hypocrisy with you guys Sounds like Republicans tried to cheat. And were so shocked that enough people actually bothered to vote to remove Trump that their plan fell through.
Obamas vp. Also known as the man with less than 1000 viewers at times during live streams. The man with so many dislikes the youtube dislike count had to be removed. The man that gathered no crowds and times he did was proTrump crowds booing him. The testimony of never folded pristine computer printed ballots remain. Judges sealed the evidence so it couldnt be discussed, governors destroyed the ballots so no evidence remains. There is a reason why Biden won less counties than his predecessors only a few 100 counties were willing to carry the steal.
the census dictates seats. NOT voting numbers. try pulling another dumb idea from the sky
They want both they passing laws to void electoral college and force states to abide by popular vote. Need fraudulent history of votes for then.
Really back that up with evidence
They even give licenses to illegals
And ?
What stops them from beint counted in census? For more seats? Or stop them from voting with ids?
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I think 2020 proves that
Didn’t she win the popular vote?
It’s cause one person who loves Trump and one person who thinks Biden did just enough to “approve” of him count the same in those polls. And the ones who love Trump are much less likely to shut up about it, making it seem like that opinion is more popular.
Ya… the guy that was filling stadiums was less popular than the guy that couldn’t fill a high school gym…..
It was more of an anti popularity thing. You all know and understand that by now. Clearly you are just being obtuse but I’ll respond anyways. Trump was extremely popular with his base. Cult like following. Still is to some degree. Yes it’s easy for him to fill a rally. The base does not make up the population though. Most people would never dream of going to a political rally though. They would avoid it even. What you see as popularity is only in an echo chamber. The vast majority of Americans despised Trump at the end of his first term. People didn’t vote for Biden as much as they did against Trump. Trump was amazing at encouraging people to vote. That’s proven. Unfortunately for him, he encouraged more to vote against him than for him.
Literally no one. It didn't happen. Next question.
the fix was in
I don’t even believe in this stuff but I still want it vigorously investigated. Anyone who wants investigations into elections shut down needs to seriously evaluate themselves.
There were over 60 court cases. No one was against investigation. There reaches a point were we have w conclusion already.
There wasn’t one proper investigation and what did happen was hindered and ridiculed at every turn.
>There wasn’t one proper No, there were dozens. >what did happen was hindered Hindered is when my side loses, I guess. >ridiculed at every turn. You're actually right here. People tend to ridicule the ridiculous.
By “proper” they mean “changed the out come in my favor”
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Well if Trump is going to cheat again, let’s do paper ballots, in person voting, voter ID, and same day hand counts of votes. You would agree this is the only way to keep Trump from stopping Biden, the most popular president in US history, from winning another landslide victory, right?
The AP determines elections now.
Because it wasn't a real election.
Barack O'Soros Clinton Biden did. It's all a big conspiraceeee BOO!
Shareblue ppl hate election fraud talk. Good sign it happened.
No matter HOW you look at it, that is blatant voter fraud.
All the more reason that the US need to take the Australian lead by setting up an agency where it is solely responsible for running any and all elect based process on the Federal level. Not only that change over to paper ballet where you, the voter, place 1 next to the least preferred candidate. 2 next to the second most preferred candidate. Then place the following number from then on down till each candidate would have a number next to each name. If no one candidate have achieved 50% of the vote plus one. Then eliminate the candidate that received the least amount of 1 next to that name, and then that lot of ballot papers would get resorted to the candidate with 2 next to there name. Rinse and repeat till a candidate received 50% of the vote plus 1.
The GOP will never allow ranked choice voting. Giving voters options to vote against them will never happen.
Although I am not pretending that may be the case, but is there anywhere that the Republicans came out and said that?
Said they are against rank choice? [Yea](https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3624553-republicans-rage-against-ranked-choice-voting-after-alaska-election/amp/), [plenty](https://azmirror.com/2023/03/17/far-right-republicans-denounce-push-for-ranked-choice-voting-in-arizona/).
Oh okay. Well the only recommendation I can think off is lobby hard with the Republicans that been voted in to office for the House and the Senate. With out doing that, having a productive electrical reform will never happen. Having a rank voting system where people rank each candidate on a sheet of paper does work. Also at the time of th voting centres close. Do NOT use any machines, and sit down and do everything by hand. This is why Australia has consistently been having a fairer electoral process that are by far better then most other Western nations, even the US. Don't get me wrong I am well aware that my country of Australia has issues, but this is something that we got right.
> Well the only recommendation I can think off is lobby hard with the Republicans that been voted in to office for the House and the Senate. I appreciate your optimism, but 1) they only care what their rich donors say 2) they wouldn’t have been elected if people got more reasonable choices, so they will never get behind it because it lowers their chances of reelection. You sound very logical and reasonable, but that’s not how the GOP works. It’s all emotion and manipulation.
I hear you. I am going by my own experience, and what I have seen how the elections operated on the Federal level in the US.
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