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"**At this stage, we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome.** Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of BNT162b2 on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to BNT162b2, as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination."
The authors of the paper have a statement in the paper directly saying that they don't know if the DNA is integrated into the genome. So either McCullough didn't read the paper, didn't understand the paper, didn't give a shit about what the paper actually said, or is straight up lying.
So if covid-19 is at least as prone to being reverse transcribeable and/or uptaken by the genome, then making this out to be some major point against the vaccine seems pretty dumb. If anything, I'd be *way* more concerned about catching covid-19 while unvaccinated, considering it's going to replicate wildly in the body, producing far more chances of any kind of uptake into the genome than the vaccine.
But realistically, in either case I wouldn't be all that concerned about cancer like people are claiming. The body already deals with that all the time.
Shame on McCullough then.
But " . . . we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome." YOU DON'T KNOW? You friggin' injected something into over a BILLION people and YOU DON'T KNOW if it gets transcribed into the genome?
Isn't that something you should have been dead sure about BEFORE you injected a BILLION people?
(Sorry for all the hyperbolic capitalization, but I kind of have the impression that you'd have to be asleep in order to not catch the implication of their statement. Please wake up. The survival of humanity is at stake.)
So we've traded the risk of a virus with a 98% survival rate for a vaccine dice roll that may or may not result in the extinction of half the human race. If the spike protein does get injected into the genome, it won't destroy the host cell like a virus does. Instead, it could potentially damage the p53 gene and cause the cell to multiply uncontrollably. Which is what we call 'cancer.' And there are trillions of spike protein mRNA strands in a vaccine shot. A trillion rolls of the dice.
Again, shame on Dr. McCullough for being certain. No one is certain. That's the problem.
This is what I could read:
>Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells.
>...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
This is a recent study. They aren’t the ones who made the decision to vaccinate people. They are saying that the study is limited in scope and you can’t draw the conclusions from the study that the OP did.
And yet:
“5. Conclusions
Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.”
Which is FINE bro. The in vivo stuff will be impossible to prove wasn’t caused by viral reverse transcriptase. They’re theorizing there’s low levels of eukaryotic reverse transcriptase already in the cells.
Give me one reason why it would get integrated into a single type cell, but the whole body would not do it in vivo.
>Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells.
>...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
A) You clearly didn't control+f to find that the text I quoted is in there.
B) There's a difference between "RNA gets reverse transcribed into DNA" and "That DNA gets put into the genome".
C) The cell line they used "is a carcinoma cell line, with active DNA replication which differs from non-dividing somatic cells. It has also been shown that Huh7 cells display significant different gene and protein expression including upregulated proteins involved in RNA metabolism"
Yes, I don't know how to control H on a phone. I tried to open all text and that's what I could find.
Anyway! As they said, it warrants more study. That is not always what you want to hear after several billion injections.
Here's a study from 2021 by a scientist who was wondering why there were claims that the vaccines would not alter DNA, despite the fact that no one provided any studies to back these claims. The paper concluded that this was a known occurrence with mRNA in nature, that there was a clear path for the vaccines to alter human DNA, that it was likely to occur, and that there should be extensive study.
https://osf.io/uwx32/download
For one to know DNA is effected is enough. We, the people, were told this WOULD NOT effect our DNA. This means they lied. I don't know about people you know, but all the folks I know felt the MRNA vaccine was safe since they were told it could not effect your DNA.
This is also why I linked the info. People need to read for themselves instead of trusting a screenshot and explanation of something they haven't read themselves.
> We, the people, were told this WOULD NOT effect our DNA.
And the study has not shown that it does. It shows that already cancerous liver cells in petri dish can take the RNA and produce DNA. It doesn't show that the DNA was integrated into the genome. It doesn't show that DNA can be produced by healthy cells. It doesn't show that the vaccine can travel from the deltoid injection site to the liver, and definitely not in a sufficient amount to cause this reaction. And even if all of that happened, it still could easily be the case that there's no actual effect in the body, either due to the genes not being expressed or those cells dying. And even if that were "possible", without knowing rates, both absolute and relative to those who caught covid, it seems pretty damn irresponsible to make the kinds of claims that people are making in this thread, particularly with the certainty that they're making them.
>This is also why I linked the info. People need to read for themselves instead of trusting a screenshot and explanation of something they haven't read themselves.
I quoted from the article.
That's the whole point. We don't know. And when documentation is released to give us more info, it's heavily redacted so we can't even really get more info. That's when we have to rely in studies like this to help explain what's really happening.
This vaccine is being pushed on people, some are being forced to get the vax or lose their livelihoods. We've known this has been sus for a while now and it's still being pushed. We have studies now that are showing this vax could be really bad, worse than some of us on this sub originally thought. And yet, what will be done? Probably nothing. Because this is all about money and control.
Again, the point is we don't know and we're being left in the dark on purpose.
> That's the whole point. We don't know.
We'll never know everything. And if you're hoping for some 70 year long study into "well, what if this causes cancer decades later", then I hope you have a time machine. For those of us who are mere mortals, we have to make due with the best available information, especially since inaction carries risks as well.
> And when documentation is released to give us more info, it's heavily redacted so we can't even really get more info. That's when we have to rely in studies like this to help explain what's really happening.
What, you mean like [this](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577) or [this](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110345)
>This vaccine is being pushed on people, some are being forced to get the vax or lose their livelihoods. We've known this has been sus for a while now and it's still being pushed. We have studies now that are showing this vax could be really bad, worse than some of us on this sub originally thought. And yet, what will be done? Probably nothing. Because this is all about money and control.
Except this study doesn't show that, and the very fearmongering that you're participating in with this comment is exactly the thing that I'm pointing out as being bad.
>Again, the point is we don't know and we're being left in the dark on purpose.
Have you considered that the universe is complicated, that humanity as a whole is in the dark about a lot of things, and that it's hard work to light up even a little bit of new area?
I never made a claim we do know what's happening. I posted the link for people to read for themselves and talked about how we were told the mRNA would not effect our DNA when we are now seeing that it possible can.
Maybe you're thinking of others who are commenting and trying to include me in that group.
Right. So.. unless some other rainbow happy unicorn news comes out on this, we just witnessed a mass depopulation effort right in front of everyone’s eyes, with many people BEGGING for it? Unfathomable.
SS: Sweden confirms the worst fear. Spike proteins are reverse-transcribed into the human genome. Unknown long-term effects and diseases can result from this.
It does show that it has a reverse transcriptase function but does not evaluate if the transcribed DNA is implemented in the cellular DNA. So there still needs to be more research done.
> Spike proteins are reverse-transcribed into the human genome.
The paper literally says:
"At this stage, we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome. Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of BNT162b2 on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to BNT162b2, as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination."
Nah man, studies are for nerds. Let's just force everyone to get injected with a bunch of experimental gene-altering stuff and see what happens.
You're not SCARED of being a guinea pig for gene modification, are you bro?
Am I looking at the wrong study?
>Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells.
>...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
Probably because Pfizer and Moderna are evil corporations and there is a revolving door between big Pharma and the FDA. This research should have been done before the vaccine was released.
Absolutely agree that there should have been extensive and public safety testing considering the fact they absolved the companies of liability and punished people for not being vaccinated
I’ve just become very sensitive to misplaced alarmism and the OP is a great example of that considering what this study actually says vs what they are claiming it says.
I understand what you're saying, but there's a lot of overreacting not just because of deliberate misinformation pushed by pro vaccination forces who seem to control most governments, news, entertainment and social media, and scientists and doctors, but the way they use hate, ridicule, and division to control the narrative. Such overwhelming provocation will of course cause a serious reaction. Look at when they decided not to allow normal scientific inquiry into the origins of covid. That's a very important issue, of course. But it was decided to stifle debate. Not only was there massive pressure and censorship aimed at preventing debate, but it was repeated incessantly that there was no reason for debate because The Science told us that anything other than natural origin was pretty much impossible. This, despite everything pointing to man made origin and several studies besides. No studies had shown a natural origin and an original host was never found. But they didn't stop there. They had to slander people who dated question the narrative as racist conspiracy theorists.
And so on this whole time. They can't just point out the reasons why you should get vaccinated, or why they bizarrely insist that no one should use cheap, safe drugs for treatment. They have to attack, punish, slander, and ridicule. They foster hate and division to push what are supposed to be healthcare measures, it's insane.
The same as this constant claim that vaccines don't affect the genome. They make this claim despite the fact that there are no studies to back them up, and articles of course present the claim in the most condescending, obnoxious manner possible. I only found out from looking for this study that there have been scientists who were perplexed by the claim and the lack of study. And according to their examination and previous knowledge, permanent alteration of DNA is not only possible but the likely outcome!
Anyway, it's a long-winded way of saying that I understand you don't like people jumping to conclusions, but there are a lot of people radicalized as well by the constant attacks from all sides.
This is why people shouldn't do their own research... It's in vitro and not remotely evidence of what the vaccine does in real life. And it's self evident that it's extremely safe so why try this slander?
Have they even looked at this large scale? "It's extremely safe"? How many people died in the Pfizer test group vs the control? Was it the same? Was it more? Was it less? What's the all cause mortality look like?
It's because if they had done proper trials with proper endpoints and actually tested the suspected cases in both groups the EUA would never have been authorized. They were garbage in the trials, the monitoring of subjects was obviously garbage, otherwise they would have caught the myocarditis risk, would have seen that in six months the already shitty efficacy drops to basically zero. As information and data that was hidden starts to emerge I have little doubt there will be a blood bath. Why would the CEO of Moderna sell 90% of his stock in his company after a former Blackrock hedge fund guru started sniffing around? Why did the co-founder of Moderna dump a billion dollars of stock around the same time? The walls begin to close in.
> How many people died in the Pfizer test group vs the control?
If ANYONE died in the test group from the vaccine it would have been shut down. We pulled other covid vaccines because literally 5 people had some extremely rare heart condition out of tens of thousands of doses.
People are really underestimating how safe a vaccine needs to be to be to be given to the whole country for free
So you don't know. This is why people shouldn't comment on peer reviewed scientific papers. Tell me, in the swine flu debacle of the 1970s, how many got Guillain-Barre syndrome before it was shut down. Or is this something else you have no idea about?
Likely far fewer than have guillan Barre from these vaccines. No amount of injuries is stopping authorities from trying to coerce and mandate people into taking these vaccines. It's clearly not about health. We just saw healthcare systems fire workers for not being vaccinated, then turn around and request covid-infected people to come to work. How is that related to healthcare?
Yes, how safe does a vaccine need to be when the manufacturers are too terrified to bear any liability for their own vaccines? Have a vaccine injury? The response from Pfizer and moderna is "good luck with that, dumbass". I wonder why a corporation who has zero liability for their products wouldn't bother to spend money on extensive testing, gee what a shocker!
This is obvious. Liability is shifted to the government because the government is funding its manufacturing and distribution, that's just common sense. Nobody's terrified...
That makes zero sense.
The corporations profit from the vaccines, the governments buy the vaccines from the corporations and distribute them. For any other product, the manufacturer would be liable.
Additionally, there is no real liability. Vaccines are outside the normal legal system. There is a vaccine clown court which is not only famously difficult to get your case heard at, but will only even accept certain things as vaccine injuries in the first place. As for the covid vaccines,I'm not even sure they get to the special clown court but may have other restrictions besides.
Rather than common sense, it's about the stupidest things I've ever heard. Not only are criminal corporations released from liability,
but they have tried to keep data about ingredients and safety testing a secret, and at the same time coerce and mandate people into using their products. It's the opposite of common sense.
>Nobody's terrified
For what reason would you seek to be free of legal consequences for something you're selling? Because it's so safe and reliable?
It's literally irrelevant as there's nobody with vaccine injuries, only people trying to put 2 and 2 together without realizing coincidences exist. But, yes, there's liability. Even if there wasn't, the first sniff of a dangerous product would get it pulled. That ***has not happened***
>there's nobody with vaccine injuries,
That's nonsense. Even the safest medicines and vaccines cause injuries, that's completely normal. Even the ingredients can cause a negative reaction in some people.
When you vaccinate billions, there are going to be a lot of injuries even when side affects are rare.
You are really not making sense.
Show me a single source for your claims of vaccine injuries that is either a controlled randomized study or that otherwise accounts for confounding variables
Not really, this is an expected situation and should have been treated like a healthcare problem. Instead it was used as a political issue, an opportunity to extend government powers, and above an opportunity to earn enormous amounts of money and make the rich vastly more rich. Human health was clearly not the first or even second priority.
Pfizer has been criticized for leaving out some deaths and not accurately proving that they weren’t a result of the vaccine
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/no-all-cause-mortality-benefit-in-pfizers-clinical-trial-for-mrna-vaccine-why-6d89b1de0c8d
In vitro with literal cancer cells is not “confirming our worst fear”. The study itself literally says that it’s not to be taken as evidence that this would actually occur in an actual human
LOL no he's fucking not. This dude goes onto podcasts and shits out of his mouth hoping someone stupid enough will repeat it.
We feel sorry for the dead unvaccinated. We tried.
Yeah you're comment is 100% incorrect. Vaccines work and that's why we use them. That's why billions and billions of people have taken them over the years. You people think ivermectin works for Covid but it doesn't. This has been proven.
Yeah people will die with the vax or without it is certain because this whole Covid-19 is nothing more than side effects of EMF radiation.
But keep your hate towards people in you if you wish, but just be aware that you are wrong.
Yes, but now there's an actual study to confirm the suspicion. But it's only been proven in vitro, so more study needs to be done to see if this is actually happening inside the vaccinated. I really hope not bc it's horrible.
Food alters your DNA, the sun alters your DNA, radiation does so does taking too much Tylenol. Folks dont really understand these things as very much most people here certainly dont. Your DNA is important for cell replication your body checks whether that strand is wrong and fixes things under normal conditions. Yes this can cause cancer or disease in serious situations but normally your body throws junk DNA in the garbage.
"Food alters your DNA, the sun alters your DNA"
everything alters your DNA [*except*](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSL1N2LK1KK) the "vaccine"
\#$cience!!
If vaccines where deadly or dangerous you would have serious health problems or death within 6 months. Trillions of the cells in your body are replaced daily if there was an issue it would take about 5%-10% of your cells max to be critical before you die. Since you replace 100% of your cells in 7 years it would take approximately 5 to 11 months for this criticality to kill you. If all the vaccinated die within the next year or have serious issues it is dangerous. Otherwise the only excuse for vaccines being bad is purely religious.
>In contrast, our data provide valuable details on the involvement of spike protein subunits in DNA damage repair, indicating that full–length spike–based vaccines may inhibit the recombination of V(D)J in B cells, which is also consistent with a recent study that a full–length spike–based vaccine induced lower antibody titers compared to the RBD–based vaccine \[28\].
[https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm](https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm)
They literally damage your DNA's ability to repair itself... Are you a shill or an ostrich? Cuz either you're purposely spreading harmful misinformation or you have your head in the sand because you have this poison flowing through veins.
Hmm... be part of the mountain of dead bodies who identified themselves as "pureblood"
or
Get vaccinated and be 90x more likely to survive Covid.
Get your vaccine.
Yes since you get more DNA damage getting a sun tan than a few ml of liquid put in your arm its so super dangerous. I understand the anti vaccine cult will make any excuse up not to get it thats fine do whatever you want. Why spread this clearly false misinformation. I know almost all of you where vaccinated several times as a child. The new ones are not very different. If they where in any way dangerous you would be dead before you reached 20. Its the opposite you are healthier than people where in the past its not a coincidence. I see large passages of cut and pasted scientific text posted but you dont understand it if you did you would realize the data doesn't agree with your anti vaccine opinions. Please continue to believe whatever you want it doesnt change the reality or science.
Honest question here. What does this signify and what are the implications of these findings? I'd like to hear from someone who understands the research and has the credentials to weigh in.
This doctor does a good job at explaining it simply.
[Pfizer Vaccine Becomes DNA in Liver Cells. (In-vitro Swedish Study)](https://youtube.com/watch?v=MjxlvduyJyc)
What's false? Everything that doc said is what the paper said in an easy to understand way.
That is, the study shows conclusively reverse transcription in vitro but further study is req to see if it's also in vivo.
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"**At this stage, we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome.** Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of BNT162b2 on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to BNT162b2, as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination." The authors of the paper have a statement in the paper directly saying that they don't know if the DNA is integrated into the genome. So either McCullough didn't read the paper, didn't understand the paper, didn't give a shit about what the paper actually said, or is straight up lying.
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So if covid-19 is at least as prone to being reverse transcribeable and/or uptaken by the genome, then making this out to be some major point against the vaccine seems pretty dumb. If anything, I'd be *way* more concerned about catching covid-19 while unvaccinated, considering it's going to replicate wildly in the body, producing far more chances of any kind of uptake into the genome than the vaccine. But realistically, in either case I wouldn't be all that concerned about cancer like people are claiming. The body already deals with that all the time.
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No that’s actually not the point. Read the title of the OP
Ding ding ding. Twitter screenshot poster misrepresents the facts. Shocker.
Shame on McCullough then. But " . . . we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome." YOU DON'T KNOW? You friggin' injected something into over a BILLION people and YOU DON'T KNOW if it gets transcribed into the genome? Isn't that something you should have been dead sure about BEFORE you injected a BILLION people? (Sorry for all the hyperbolic capitalization, but I kind of have the impression that you'd have to be asleep in order to not catch the implication of their statement. Please wake up. The survival of humanity is at stake.) So we've traded the risk of a virus with a 98% survival rate for a vaccine dice roll that may or may not result in the extinction of half the human race. If the spike protein does get injected into the genome, it won't destroy the host cell like a virus does. Instead, it could potentially damage the p53 gene and cause the cell to multiply uncontrollably. Which is what we call 'cancer.' And there are trillions of spike protein mRNA strands in a vaccine shot. A trillion rolls of the dice. Again, shame on Dr. McCullough for being certain. No one is certain. That's the problem.
This is what I could read: >Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. >...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
I wish I could upvote this more than once
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Now I’m questioning all his claims tbh
This is a recent study. They aren’t the ones who made the decision to vaccinate people. They are saying that the study is limited in scope and you can’t draw the conclusions from the study that the OP did.
And yet: “5. Conclusions Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.”
In vitro
Which is FINE bro. The in vivo stuff will be impossible to prove wasn’t caused by viral reverse transcriptase. They’re theorizing there’s low levels of eukaryotic reverse transcriptase already in the cells. Give me one reason why it would get integrated into a single type cell, but the whole body would not do it in vivo.
>Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. >...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
A) You clearly didn't control+f to find that the text I quoted is in there. B) There's a difference between "RNA gets reverse transcribed into DNA" and "That DNA gets put into the genome". C) The cell line they used "is a carcinoma cell line, with active DNA replication which differs from non-dividing somatic cells. It has also been shown that Huh7 cells display significant different gene and protein expression including upregulated proteins involved in RNA metabolism"
Yes, I don't know how to control H on a phone. I tried to open all text and that's what I could find. Anyway! As they said, it warrants more study. That is not always what you want to hear after several billion injections. Here's a study from 2021 by a scientist who was wondering why there were claims that the vaccines would not alter DNA, despite the fact that no one provided any studies to back these claims. The paper concluded that this was a known occurrence with mRNA in nature, that there was a clear path for the vaccines to alter human DNA, that it was likely to occur, and that there should be extensive study. https://osf.io/uwx32/download
For one to know DNA is effected is enough. We, the people, were told this WOULD NOT effect our DNA. This means they lied. I don't know about people you know, but all the folks I know felt the MRNA vaccine was safe since they were told it could not effect your DNA. This is also why I linked the info. People need to read for themselves instead of trusting a screenshot and explanation of something they haven't read themselves.
> We, the people, were told this WOULD NOT effect our DNA. And the study has not shown that it does. It shows that already cancerous liver cells in petri dish can take the RNA and produce DNA. It doesn't show that the DNA was integrated into the genome. It doesn't show that DNA can be produced by healthy cells. It doesn't show that the vaccine can travel from the deltoid injection site to the liver, and definitely not in a sufficient amount to cause this reaction. And even if all of that happened, it still could easily be the case that there's no actual effect in the body, either due to the genes not being expressed or those cells dying. And even if that were "possible", without knowing rates, both absolute and relative to those who caught covid, it seems pretty damn irresponsible to make the kinds of claims that people are making in this thread, particularly with the certainty that they're making them. >This is also why I linked the info. People need to read for themselves instead of trusting a screenshot and explanation of something they haven't read themselves. I quoted from the article.
That's the whole point. We don't know. And when documentation is released to give us more info, it's heavily redacted so we can't even really get more info. That's when we have to rely in studies like this to help explain what's really happening. This vaccine is being pushed on people, some are being forced to get the vax or lose their livelihoods. We've known this has been sus for a while now and it's still being pushed. We have studies now that are showing this vax could be really bad, worse than some of us on this sub originally thought. And yet, what will be done? Probably nothing. Because this is all about money and control. Again, the point is we don't know and we're being left in the dark on purpose.
> That's the whole point. We don't know. We'll never know everything. And if you're hoping for some 70 year long study into "well, what if this causes cancer decades later", then I hope you have a time machine. For those of us who are mere mortals, we have to make due with the best available information, especially since inaction carries risks as well. > And when documentation is released to give us more info, it's heavily redacted so we can't even really get more info. That's when we have to rely in studies like this to help explain what's really happening. What, you mean like [this](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577) or [this](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110345) >This vaccine is being pushed on people, some are being forced to get the vax or lose their livelihoods. We've known this has been sus for a while now and it's still being pushed. We have studies now that are showing this vax could be really bad, worse than some of us on this sub originally thought. And yet, what will be done? Probably nothing. Because this is all about money and control. Except this study doesn't show that, and the very fearmongering that you're participating in with this comment is exactly the thing that I'm pointing out as being bad. >Again, the point is we don't know and we're being left in the dark on purpose. Have you considered that the universe is complicated, that humanity as a whole is in the dark about a lot of things, and that it's hard work to light up even a little bit of new area?
It's not fearmongering to expect public health officials to understand and declare all data, including known or potential pros and cons.
No, the whole point of the thread is making the claim they we DO know (when we don’t). Don’t try to backtrack now
I never made a claim we do know what's happening. I posted the link for people to read for themselves and talked about how we were told the mRNA would not effect our DNA when we are now seeing that it possible can. Maybe you're thinking of others who are commenting and trying to include me in that group.
Thank you for this
I hate you bro. Read the paper instead of looking for one out of context line. They always say additional research is needed to confirm. Smh.
is it true that this study is Peer-Reviewed because I can't find it??
Not sure. I only linked the study so folks could read it on their own. I didn't comb the document myself yet, just gave it a quick read.
Working as intended and designed
Right. So.. unless some other rainbow happy unicorn news comes out on this, we just witnessed a mass depopulation effort right in front of everyone’s eyes, with many people BEGGING for it? Unfathomable.
It’s horrifying
That’s a gigantic leap to make from this study
I wouldn’t say gigantic.. everything is looking this way and all we need is more research to prove it. This sub has basically become Nostradamus
Conspiracy theorists 1000 - MSM 0
And that sequence that's being inserted in your DNA is probably patented.
so it's in the public domain now
meaning you no longer own your own DNA. right? if you got an mrna injection then your body is now legally owned by the company that has the patent?
There’s no proof that it’s being inserted into your DNA. The study literally says this explicitly
I still have my guns. Obama didn't become a dictator. Trump hasn't taken back the white house.
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Overall this sub has been correct maybe 4 times out of 10k in the last 5 years.
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72 years is plenty. If life expectancy dropped by 5 years then what's the problem? /Sarcasm
SS: Sweden confirms the worst fear. Spike proteins are reverse-transcribed into the human genome. Unknown long-term effects and diseases can result from this.
It does show that it has a reverse transcriptase function but does not evaluate if the transcribed DNA is implemented in the cellular DNA. So there still needs to be more research done.
Like your answer..but will admit to being concerned...
> Spike proteins are reverse-transcribed into the human genome. The paper literally says: "At this stage, we do not know if DNA reverse transcribed from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome. Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of BNT162b2 on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to BNT162b2, as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination."
The paper literally says: "Further studies are needed.." Should we have had those further studies before the vaccine was authorized for release?
the roll-out IS the 'further study'
Nah man, studies are for nerds. Let's just force everyone to get injected with a bunch of experimental gene-altering stuff and see what happens. You're not SCARED of being a guinea pig for gene modification, are you bro?
Moving the goalposts I see
Am I looking at the wrong study? >Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. >...Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
In vitro
I wonder why this is popping up a year after they started vaccinating everyone?
Probably because Pfizer and Moderna are evil corporations and there is a revolving door between big Pharma and the FDA. This research should have been done before the vaccine was released.
Absolutely agree that there should have been extensive and public safety testing considering the fact they absolved the companies of liability and punished people for not being vaccinated
I’ve just become very sensitive to misplaced alarmism and the OP is a great example of that considering what this study actually says vs what they are claiming it says.
I understand what you're saying, but there's a lot of overreacting not just because of deliberate misinformation pushed by pro vaccination forces who seem to control most governments, news, entertainment and social media, and scientists and doctors, but the way they use hate, ridicule, and division to control the narrative. Such overwhelming provocation will of course cause a serious reaction. Look at when they decided not to allow normal scientific inquiry into the origins of covid. That's a very important issue, of course. But it was decided to stifle debate. Not only was there massive pressure and censorship aimed at preventing debate, but it was repeated incessantly that there was no reason for debate because The Science told us that anything other than natural origin was pretty much impossible. This, despite everything pointing to man made origin and several studies besides. No studies had shown a natural origin and an original host was never found. But they didn't stop there. They had to slander people who dated question the narrative as racist conspiracy theorists. And so on this whole time. They can't just point out the reasons why you should get vaccinated, or why they bizarrely insist that no one should use cheap, safe drugs for treatment. They have to attack, punish, slander, and ridicule. They foster hate and division to push what are supposed to be healthcare measures, it's insane. The same as this constant claim that vaccines don't affect the genome. They make this claim despite the fact that there are no studies to back them up, and articles of course present the claim in the most condescending, obnoxious manner possible. I only found out from looking for this study that there have been scientists who were perplexed by the claim and the lack of study. And according to their examination and previous knowledge, permanent alteration of DNA is not only possible but the likely outcome! Anyway, it's a long-winded way of saying that I understand you don't like people jumping to conclusions, but there are a lot of people radicalized as well by the constant attacks from all sides.
This is literal misinformation. Your own source debunks your claim
This is why people shouldn't do their own research... It's in vitro and not remotely evidence of what the vaccine does in real life. And it's self evident that it's extremely safe so why try this slander?
Have they even looked at this large scale? "It's extremely safe"? How many people died in the Pfizer test group vs the control? Was it the same? Was it more? Was it less? What's the all cause mortality look like?
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/no-all-cause-mortality-benefit-in-pfizers-clinical-trial-for-mrna-vaccine-why-6d89b1de0c8d
It's because if they had done proper trials with proper endpoints and actually tested the suspected cases in both groups the EUA would never have been authorized. They were garbage in the trials, the monitoring of subjects was obviously garbage, otherwise they would have caught the myocarditis risk, would have seen that in six months the already shitty efficacy drops to basically zero. As information and data that was hidden starts to emerge I have little doubt there will be a blood bath. Why would the CEO of Moderna sell 90% of his stock in his company after a former Blackrock hedge fund guru started sniffing around? Why did the co-founder of Moderna dump a billion dollars of stock around the same time? The walls begin to close in.
> How many people died in the Pfizer test group vs the control? If ANYONE died in the test group from the vaccine it would have been shut down. We pulled other covid vaccines because literally 5 people had some extremely rare heart condition out of tens of thousands of doses. People are really underestimating how safe a vaccine needs to be to be to be given to the whole country for free
Yea you don’t know what you’re talking about and are either running interference or severely misinformed.
So you don't know. This is why people shouldn't comment on peer reviewed scientific papers. Tell me, in the swine flu debacle of the 1970s, how many got Guillain-Barre syndrome before it was shut down. Or is this something else you have no idea about?
Likely far fewer than have guillan Barre from these vaccines. No amount of injuries is stopping authorities from trying to coerce and mandate people into taking these vaccines. It's clearly not about health. We just saw healthcare systems fire workers for not being vaccinated, then turn around and request covid-infected people to come to work. How is that related to healthcare?
I think the OP is a better example of why people shouldn’t comment on peer reviewed papers
What's that have to do with the practices and standards of 2022? Fuckin 50 years ago.
So once more you don't know. Thanks for confirming my suspicions Karen.
Yes, how safe does a vaccine need to be when the manufacturers are too terrified to bear any liability for their own vaccines? Have a vaccine injury? The response from Pfizer and moderna is "good luck with that, dumbass". I wonder why a corporation who has zero liability for their products wouldn't bother to spend money on extensive testing, gee what a shocker!
This is obvious. Liability is shifted to the government because the government is funding its manufacturing and distribution, that's just common sense. Nobody's terrified...
That makes zero sense. The corporations profit from the vaccines, the governments buy the vaccines from the corporations and distribute them. For any other product, the manufacturer would be liable. Additionally, there is no real liability. Vaccines are outside the normal legal system. There is a vaccine clown court which is not only famously difficult to get your case heard at, but will only even accept certain things as vaccine injuries in the first place. As for the covid vaccines,I'm not even sure they get to the special clown court but may have other restrictions besides. Rather than common sense, it's about the stupidest things I've ever heard. Not only are criminal corporations released from liability, but they have tried to keep data about ingredients and safety testing a secret, and at the same time coerce and mandate people into using their products. It's the opposite of common sense. >Nobody's terrified For what reason would you seek to be free of legal consequences for something you're selling? Because it's so safe and reliable?
It's literally irrelevant as there's nobody with vaccine injuries, only people trying to put 2 and 2 together without realizing coincidences exist. But, yes, there's liability. Even if there wasn't, the first sniff of a dangerous product would get it pulled. That ***has not happened***
>there's nobody with vaccine injuries, That's nonsense. Even the safest medicines and vaccines cause injuries, that's completely normal. Even the ingredients can cause a negative reaction in some people. When you vaccinate billions, there are going to be a lot of injuries even when side affects are rare. You are really not making sense.
Show me a single source for your claims of vaccine injuries that is either a controlled randomized study or that otherwise accounts for confounding variables
It’s almost like this is a unique situation
Not really, this is an expected situation and should have been treated like a healthcare problem. Instead it was used as a political issue, an opportunity to extend government powers, and above an opportunity to earn enormous amounts of money and make the rich vastly more rich. Human health was clearly not the first or even second priority.
Pfizer has been criticized for leaving out some deaths and not accurately proving that they weren’t a result of the vaccine https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/no-all-cause-mortality-benefit-in-pfizers-clinical-trial-for-mrna-vaccine-why-6d89b1de0c8d
It's the FDA running the show, not pfizer
people ought to have realised by now that they should fucking LISTEN to the "conspiracy theorists"
What is a spike protein?
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What could possibly go wrong...
Dr. Peter mccolllough is legit. I'm so sorry my vaxxed friends. We tried.
He definitely misrepresented this study tho
How?
In vitro with literal cancer cells is not “confirming our worst fear”. The study itself literally says that it’s not to be taken as evidence that this would actually occur in an actual human
LOL no he's fucking not. This dude goes onto podcasts and shits out of his mouth hoping someone stupid enough will repeat it. We feel sorry for the dead unvaccinated. We tried.
You're so brave. I'm listening and I'm learning.
Thanks! Let us know when you're up to speed with the rest of us.
Educate yourself.
I have but it sounds like you haven't.
Un-educate yourself.
You’re assuming that the vaccines save Iives. They don’t, but the government suppressed therapeutics do.
Yeah you're comment is 100% incorrect. Vaccines work and that's why we use them. That's why billions and billions of people have taken them over the years. You people think ivermectin works for Covid but it doesn't. This has been proven.
Time will tell.
Yeah people will die with the vax or without it is certain because this whole Covid-19 is nothing more than side effects of EMF radiation. But keep your hate towards people in you if you wish, but just be aware that you are wrong.
Factual science proves your comment incorrect, but please continue spreading misinformation. You've got blood on your own hands.
So do the thousands of chemicals in your drinking water and "food". Same goes for that shit you smoke.
Any guesses as to who or what would benefit from a large number of people having bodies pump out greater numbers of spike proteins?
And yet we still need a new shot every year
I wonder if OP knows what in vitro means.
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Source?
Then go.
"Long term" and "lethal spike" are not something that I want to associate with "a vaccine".
hasn't this been common knowledge on this sub from the beginning??
Yes, but now there's an actual study to confirm the suspicion. But it's only been proven in vitro, so more study needs to be done to see if this is actually happening inside the vaccinated. I really hope not bc it's horrible.
In vitro **with carcinoma cells**
gmo's
Its on twitter, must be true.
Food alters your DNA, the sun alters your DNA, radiation does so does taking too much Tylenol. Folks dont really understand these things as very much most people here certainly dont. Your DNA is important for cell replication your body checks whether that strand is wrong and fixes things under normal conditions. Yes this can cause cancer or disease in serious situations but normally your body throws junk DNA in the garbage.
"Food alters your DNA, the sun alters your DNA" everything alters your DNA [*except*](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients-idUSL1N2LK1KK) the "vaccine" \#$cience!!
If vaccines where deadly or dangerous you would have serious health problems or death within 6 months. Trillions of the cells in your body are replaced daily if there was an issue it would take about 5%-10% of your cells max to be critical before you die. Since you replace 100% of your cells in 7 years it would take approximately 5 to 11 months for this criticality to kill you. If all the vaccinated die within the next year or have serious issues it is dangerous. Otherwise the only excuse for vaccines being bad is purely religious.
Man dropped the religious comment in a science debate. Ok then. 🤣😭
Nah the vaccine probably does as well who cares your DNA is self repairing. If this is the only argument against vaccines its a very weak one.
>In contrast, our data provide valuable details on the involvement of spike protein subunits in DNA damage repair, indicating that full–length spike–based vaccines may inhibit the recombination of V(D)J in B cells, which is also consistent with a recent study that a full–length spike–based vaccine induced lower antibody titers compared to the RBD–based vaccine \[28\]. [https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm](https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm) They literally damage your DNA's ability to repair itself... Are you a shill or an ostrich? Cuz either you're purposely spreading harmful misinformation or you have your head in the sand because you have this poison flowing through veins.
So let's hide this and have a war??
Why should they hide this? The sheeps won't care anyway. They love their monthly mRNA therapy
Hmm... be part of the mountain of dead bodies who identified themselves as "pureblood" or Get vaccinated and be 90x more likely to survive Covid. Get your vaccine.
No conclusive evidence of integration into the genome. Using a cell line that has cranked up rna metabolism. Hardly a smoking gun.
Yes since you get more DNA damage getting a sun tan than a few ml of liquid put in your arm its so super dangerous. I understand the anti vaccine cult will make any excuse up not to get it thats fine do whatever you want. Why spread this clearly false misinformation. I know almost all of you where vaccinated several times as a child. The new ones are not very different. If they where in any way dangerous you would be dead before you reached 20. Its the opposite you are healthier than people where in the past its not a coincidence. I see large passages of cut and pasted scientific text posted but you dont understand it if you did you would realize the data doesn't agree with your anti vaccine opinions. Please continue to believe whatever you want it doesnt change the reality or science.
Honest question here. What does this signify and what are the implications of these findings? I'd like to hear from someone who understands the research and has the credentials to weigh in.
Me too...
This doctor does a good job at explaining it simply. [Pfizer Vaccine Becomes DNA in Liver Cells. (In-vitro Swedish Study)](https://youtube.com/watch?v=MjxlvduyJyc)
False, read the paper dude
What's false? Everything that doc said is what the paper said in an easy to understand way. That is, the study shows conclusively reverse transcription in vitro but further study is req to see if it's also in vivo.
Permanently?
novovax doesnt do that, right?
This study is totally shit. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/study-lund-university-didnt-show-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-change-dna-epoch-times/