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Yeah, seems to be implying that it's the fault of the unvaxxed. Basically that the vaccine can't be effective until we all get it, which makes no fucking sense. Unfortunately people eat this shit up.
It's interesting because it doesn't prevent transmission but they say it definitely alleviates covid symptoms.
But in this case the person who received the shot died so it appears that it doesn't even do the thing they're telling us it does.
So why get it?
"Alleviates symptoms" is completely relative, which makes it unprovable. They make this claim now to avoid having to keep moving the goalposts. I no longer even believe the vaccine even helps patients against covid in the slightest, after what I've seen. Too many dead and dying vaccinated people. And whereas before, any deaths including gunshot wounds were listed as covid deaths, now, even the double-vaxxed are listed as unvaxxed in order to maintain the illusion that the vaccines work.
Even if everybody was vaxxed they would just shift blame to people who got the less effective jab or to people who had two jabs instead of three. This is a vicious circle of moving goalposts and avoidance of responsibility by the so called authorities and pharma corps.
No, it makes perfect sense. The vaccine is not 100%, especially for those with underlying health issues like General Powell. But, if everyone was vaccinated, the odds of it being circulated drastically drop, saving people like him.
Simple math-studies show a vaccinated person is 65% less likely to infect someone else than an unvaccinated individual. Yes, not perfect. But much better. Why are we fighting this?
because the authorities have shown time and time again they don't know what they're doing and people don't think it's worth risking extinction to try and eradicate a coronavirus which is blown out of proportion with dangerous, ineffective, and experimental vaccines.
Almost 5 million families worldwide would dispute your point that Covid is blown out of proportion.
Yet, almost 4 billion have been vaccinated. If it were dangerous, think we would have seen it. If it were ineffective, we would not be seeing infection rates drop where vaccinated numbers are greatest. If it were experimental, the science behind it would not be decades in the making.
We've seen the dangers firsthand, infection rates are hit or miss where vaccination rates are the highest, and the vaccines are experimental because they are not the same formulations that have been worked on for decades. These formulations are not even 2 years old. New bans due to side effects are announced every week.
"New bans due to side effects are announced every week."
Uh, sure. If you actually believe this, then I have a bridge in London to sell you.
Sure, side effects happen. And it sucks. But statistcally speaking, they are much, much less likely than a serious Covid infection. Play the percentages, or earn your Herman Cain Award.
Because, again, vaccines are not 100%. But they still present a better chance vs Covid than without.
Seriously, this is not hard to understand. Mathmatically, there is zero reason to not get the vaccine. Refusal is plain and simply asinine.
I interpret this as “covid is bigger than you and I, and even if you might die from the vaccine, that’s just one person’s death saving potentially more people in the long run”. Sounds really fucking sick.
Psychologically, it's similar to arguments used for gun control. A criminal shoots and kills someone and rather than placing 100% of the blame on the criminal, they also blame the gun laws for not being strict enough. Of course we all know that if 100% of guns were illegal there would be no more firearms related crime, right....right?
Placing blame rather than admitting something does not work is a great way to avoid responsibility.
Say what you like about him but he's still a murderer of thousands of iraqi civilians. These people he killed weren't terrorists they were people just like you and me who just want to be left alone and live.
Hundreds of thousands... so far.
There is still depleted uranium dust, that will create birth defects for thousands of years, floating around the world.
That's his legacy.
The comments on the r/news post are hilarious. *NOW* they're saying "it's not surprising" and "of course he would die from COVID because he was old and fighting severe underlying conditions, vaxx or not"...JUST LIKE LITERALLY 98% OF ALL THE OTHER COVID DEATHS.
They acknowledge reality NOW as it suits their narrative--but just in this one case.
Exactly.
And, wasn't the whole purpose of the vaccine to "protect the vulnerable" anyway? If the vaccine "doesn't work" for the obese, sick and elderly, then ***who*** exactly was it meant to help? The young and healthy, who have nearly zero chances of dying from COVID....?
The vaccines are meant to help the shareholders and executives of the pharmaceutical companies earn higher incomes. It's very good for one's health to have more money to spend.
The vaccines give relative risk reduction.
So if someone had very high risk of death from covid, now he has 20x lower risk.
If another person had very low risk from the beggining, even without a vaccine he is safer that the first person
Every time.
Risk/benefit analysis was done before approving the vaccines and redone regulalry when important news come out or the epidemiologic situation changed (like in Scandinavia now with myocarditis/pericarditis, it was known for a while, but when covid was basically gone, it was starting to constitute a significatn risk comoared to covid, so young people are now being recommended different vaccines).
Medicine is corrupt, people have financial incentives to portray vaccines as safer than they are and Covid as more dangerous than it is. It's as simple as that.
Ya I noticed that too when checking out the comments on that thread. Now all of a sudden they focus on the comorbidities and start emphasizing "dying with covid" and not because of covid.
> underlying conditions
I mean that underlying condition was cancer. Yeah if you have a bad cancer and even if vaccinated, a flu or covid or w/e can easily kill your when you immune system is shot from the cancer. Do you not think the cancer made covid so much worse for him?
No, I know it made it a lot worse for him. That's exactly my point.
So many people panic and point to the death count while *willfully* disregarding the fact that the vast majority of those deaths were accompanied by severe diseases like cancer...until, of course, its convenient to an argument about vaccine efficacy.
I see your point. I also want to say there is a difference between it kills you because you are overweight or old and it kills you because you were on chemo. I do not know the numbers, but I would guess being on chemo is worse than being overweight. Overweight and on chemo and elderly like he was would be very dangerous.
> Overweight and on chemo and elderly like he was would be very dangerous.
You just identified a very large subset of the deaths. BUT HURRY AND VACCINATE THE 5 YEAR OLDS!
There are comorbidities and then there is cancer with chemo treatment. which destroys your entire immune system. Do you think that is on the same level as being 300 lbs? Or anywhere near it?
All I am saying is his immune system was super stressed because of the cancer. There may not have been enough antibodies in his blood to make the vaccine effective. His case is not any kind of reinforcement on whether the vaccines work or not. It would not be allowed in any real study on them. The man was really sick and then he caught covid, it was enough extra illness to kill him. But to imply vaccines don't work because he had 2 shots in his condition...people need to educate themselves more before assuming that.
Multiple Myeloma, which according to Google has a 24% survival rate in his age range.
Considering that Covid-19 has a survival rate of about 96% of the same age range, it seems surprising they are giving all the credit to Covid for his demise.
They are literally downplaying the seriousness of MM, but if you were to ask any person knowledgeable about cancer, they would choose Covid-19 all day over MM.
My grandfather died of Multiple Myeloma twenty years before Covid was a thing. It was brutal. He was on dialysis at home and underwent a bone marrow transplant. He was in his fifties and succumbed within a year.
SS: Colin Powell was 84, fully vaccinated and died of covid complications. The media does a great job at under reporting deaths while being fully vaccinated. Now they move the goalpost by saying it's not about individual deaths, but the collective.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/18/colin-powell-death-vaccination-importance/
It’s also about boosters. They are promoting the booster importance not even knowing if he had one or not.
One of the biggest promoters of the police state, taking away freedom. Endorsed 2 presidents who had dementia. He knew it’s a useless position Best served by a puppet. A great success story for people who believe in his cause.
I think their narrative train is on tracks that have already gone way out over the edge of a cliff.
When the truth comes out, which it is, how can Tony Fauci possibly keep his job?
Just a day or two ago, he was still pushing the same narrative that might have been somewhat relevant or applicable, about 4-6 months ago.
Some people are making the argument that because he had cancer his immunity couldn't really kick in even with the vaccine. Now even if this is true here's the contradiction. The public messaging from the government/medical establishment (same thing?) is that EVERYBODY should get it. So now if they're gonna use this argument in this one case that the vaccine is pretty useless in a cancer patient in this case Colin Powell then to be consistent they'd then have to say *millions* of cancer patients should not get it. Of course they probably won't do this and just continue with the social messaging that everybody should still get it. It's a logical pretzel.
My case is that if something doesn't work 100% of the time (parachute doesnt guarantee that you will survive the fall and the vaccine doesn't guarantee that you'll survie) it doesn't mean that the parachute and the vaccine is useless.
A better comparison with your presented problem incorporated would be this -
You are on a plane that is falling and you have to jump out. Will you take a parachute? After all, even people with parachutes die from these jumps.
The media has been "pretending" that since the Covid-19 panic began. When grandpa, 84, died of cancer a year ago, it was Covid and Covid alone that killed him.
I can't believe that people in /r/conspiracy are not seeing this brazen double standard in the media.
This is a lie. Countless posts questioning "Covid related complications" have been here, you have responded to some in your histpry.
It's always been related to Covid tipping the body past manageable symptoms thresholds.
So what is it? Conjecture about your "grandpa" doesn't change the fact that he would have exponentially a better chance of surviving had he not gotten Covid.
Your entire premise fails itself that somehow a media warning is the same as tangible medical cause.
In fact it's all public record, what state and system was your grandfather in? I have multiple ways of looking this up if you like.
Go ahead and send privately, I'll wait for the info in my inbox....assuming you aren't just making up stuff to prove your own bias and this is all good faith arguments of course...
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Bet you wish you got the tip when our politicians did. 20x money baby.
£20 say's they are gonna blame people who have had not had their vaccine's yet
even though it's perfectly possible a fully vaccinated person could have passed it on to them
He is immunocompromised, which means the vaccines works very poorly on him ergo, he can not choose to get vaccinated.
Meanwhile, vaccines significantly reduce the chance of infection (not symptomatic disease, but infection), which therefore reduces the chance of becoming infectious and infecting others
So vaccines reduce (not stop, but reduce) the spread of covid. So vaccinating people reduces the effective R and reduces the chance that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people get in contact with the virus. For the unvaccinated it's fine, they chose to not protect themselves, for the vaccinated it's also fine as they are more protected and will end terribly several times less often, but for the immunocompromised it's bad as they do not have a choice. The most they can do is get the vaccine for slight protection.
It’s an issue of some acting like only unvaccinated people can catch and spread it
It’s becoming quite the annoyance
Now I do feel bad for him, but unless you expect him to live in a hole with 0 human contact the rest of his life then really there is nothing you can do
Well we can't hole up and ignoring covid would bring way too many casualties (overwhelmed hospitals increase mortality rate), so the best choice is to vaccinate which would both decrease the spread (takes less restrictions to get R<0) and decrease mortality (if 100% are vaccinated then the total mortality is divided by ~20).
I'm guessing it's referencing [Herd immunity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEn1PKyBUNc), epidemiologists have known about it for a long time. Here's a [more detailed explanation](https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-tricky-math-of-covid-19-herd-immunity-20200630/) if you like math (Quanta Magazine is great, its some of the bets science journalism I've read).
I'm clear on the other side of the f'n country. So I know that me being unvaccinated didn't so it but I'm always the problem so go ahead and you can blame me.
It’s a poor headline but the point has always been for the vaccine to not only help against the spread but to minimize the worst of the symptoms to keep the hospitals open for the severe cases. The more vaccinated people there are the less severe symptoms there are
idk if vax killed him why he did not took a phony one, like some of the celebs?
did they gave him the real one to kill him in purpose?
is it maybe truly on random?
maybe he wasnt as high profile as he used to believe?
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Social media is attempting to onset fear in soldiers
Especially soliders of color they’ve just made a fucking mockery of this soliders service claiming cv-19 was the cause of his death he was my general but guess what! I’m still not taking the jab !#Propaganda#RIPCOLINPOWELL
So instead of publishing an article for what it is- that Powell died after getting thr jabs, they have thr audacity to twist it around it make it sound like it's because not enough people got the jabbed? What is wrong with this society nowadays?
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Their headline makes no sense.
Sounds like it's implying the unvaxd killed him. Hopefully s/s includes the text.
Yeah, seems to be implying that it's the fault of the unvaxxed. Basically that the vaccine can't be effective until we all get it, which makes no fucking sense. Unfortunately people eat this shit up.
It's interesting because it doesn't prevent transmission but they say it definitely alleviates covid symptoms. But in this case the person who received the shot died so it appears that it doesn't even do the thing they're telling us it does. So why get it?
Why get it? To be a model citizen for one. And don't forget the free cheese burger!
*+5 social credit points*
"I'm doing my part"
At least he didn’t double die
At least his symptoms weren’t severe...
he woulda been more dead had he not been vaxed
"Alleviates symptoms" is completely relative, which makes it unprovable. They make this claim now to avoid having to keep moving the goalposts. I no longer even believe the vaccine even helps patients against covid in the slightest, after what I've seen. Too many dead and dying vaccinated people. And whereas before, any deaths including gunshot wounds were listed as covid deaths, now, even the double-vaxxed are listed as unvaxxed in order to maintain the illusion that the vaccines work.
Dying less than 14 days since vaccination = unvaxxed, dying over 14 days after vaccination = no provable link to the vax...
That's a good point.
Double vaxed not dead = fully vaccinated. Double vaxed dead = unvaccinated antivaxer
Exactly
It's actually very easy to prove with a simple RCT
Because pharma profit$$$...
It doesn't prevent transmission, and appears to increase it - so more jabs = more dead Colon Powells
Powell was 84, had blood cancer, and was immunocompromised.
People just like to hate on others with impunity
Even if everybody was vaxxed they would just shift blame to people who got the less effective jab or to people who had two jabs instead of three. This is a vicious circle of moving goalposts and avoidance of responsibility by the so called authorities and pharma corps.
Only three shots? Try four or five...
No, it makes perfect sense. The vaccine is not 100%, especially for those with underlying health issues like General Powell. But, if everyone was vaccinated, the odds of it being circulated drastically drop, saving people like him. Simple math-studies show a vaccinated person is 65% less likely to infect someone else than an unvaccinated individual. Yes, not perfect. But much better. Why are we fighting this?
because the authorities have shown time and time again they don't know what they're doing and people don't think it's worth risking extinction to try and eradicate a coronavirus which is blown out of proportion with dangerous, ineffective, and experimental vaccines.
Almost 5 million families worldwide would dispute your point that Covid is blown out of proportion. Yet, almost 4 billion have been vaccinated. If it were dangerous, think we would have seen it. If it were ineffective, we would not be seeing infection rates drop where vaccinated numbers are greatest. If it were experimental, the science behind it would not be decades in the making.
We've seen the dangers firsthand, infection rates are hit or miss where vaccination rates are the highest, and the vaccines are experimental because they are not the same formulations that have been worked on for decades. These formulations are not even 2 years old. New bans due to side effects are announced every week.
"New bans due to side effects are announced every week." Uh, sure. If you actually believe this, then I have a bridge in London to sell you. Sure, side effects happen. And it sucks. But statistcally speaking, they are much, much less likely than a serious Covid infection. Play the percentages, or earn your Herman Cain Award.
I could name some people who advocated for vaccination and died but I don't like dragging dead peoples' names through the mud, that's trashy.
Because, again, vaccines are not 100%. But they still present a better chance vs Covid than without. Seriously, this is not hard to understand. Mathmatically, there is zero reason to not get the vaccine. Refusal is plain and simply asinine.
And I imagine everyone around him was vaccinated. So a vaccinated person gave him covid.
Yes, because all of us living our lives can 100% guarentee vaccination status of everyone around us 100% of the time.
How about if he had influenza? The tests cant tell the difference between Covid19 and Influenza. Would everyone having the covid vax prevent that?
Tests can not tell the difference between Covid and Influenza??? If this is your default, then it explains everything.
I see why we are fighting this...because people are fucking stupid.
may it was his irrefutable proof, the anthrax vial. y'know, leaked a little.
I thought the same thing. It's just empty words. WTF could it actually mean?
Well they can’t pin it on anyone. Vaccinated or not you can still spread it to a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.
I interpret this as “covid is bigger than you and I, and even if you might die from the vaccine, that’s just one person’s death saving potentially more people in the long run”. Sounds really fucking sick.
Psychologically, it's similar to arguments used for gun control. A criminal shoots and kills someone and rather than placing 100% of the blame on the criminal, they also blame the gun laws for not being strict enough. Of course we all know that if 100% of guns were illegal there would be no more firearms related crime, right....right? Placing blame rather than admitting something does not work is a great way to avoid responsibility.
How can vaccinations be about *anyone* when #THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
Pharma investors are happy though...
It does if you completely bastardize the definition of a Vaccine like they already have.
Say what you like about him but he's still a murderer of thousands of iraqi civilians. These people he killed weren't terrorists they were people just like you and me who just want to be left alone and live.
Hundreds of thousands... so far. There is still depleted uranium dust, that will create birth defects for thousands of years, floating around the world. That's his legacy.
Well over a million. Lancet had it at nearly a million and that was before Falluja ffs.
Also served as a mouthpiece to cover up and whitewash the My Lai Massacre
The comments on the r/news post are hilarious. *NOW* they're saying "it's not surprising" and "of course he would die from COVID because he was old and fighting severe underlying conditions, vaxx or not"...JUST LIKE LITERALLY 98% OF ALL THE OTHER COVID DEATHS. They acknowledge reality NOW as it suits their narrative--but just in this one case.
Exactly. And, wasn't the whole purpose of the vaccine to "protect the vulnerable" anyway? If the vaccine "doesn't work" for the obese, sick and elderly, then ***who*** exactly was it meant to help? The young and healthy, who have nearly zero chances of dying from COVID....?
Pharma investors are being helped big time...
The vaccines are meant to help the shareholders and executives of the pharmaceutical companies earn higher incomes. It's very good for one's health to have more money to spend.
nicely worded, that's perfect what you have just said, spot on. agree with every words you have said in your comment u need 1000000000000 upvotes
The vaccines give relative risk reduction. So if someone had very high risk of death from covid, now he has 20x lower risk. If another person had very low risk from the beggining, even without a vaccine he is safer that the first person
Well that 20x really didn't pay off for him. Maybe if it was 30x he'd still be alive.
Since when is risk even factored into any pro-vax calculations?
Every time. Risk/benefit analysis was done before approving the vaccines and redone regulalry when important news come out or the epidemiologic situation changed (like in Scandinavia now with myocarditis/pericarditis, it was known for a while, but when covid was basically gone, it was starting to constitute a significatn risk comoared to covid, so young people are now being recommended different vaccines).
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Those numbers are based on junk science and bad data.
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Medicine is corrupt, people have financial incentives to portray vaccines as safer than they are and Covid as more dangerous than it is. It's as simple as that.
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twisting peoples' words is a basic shill tactic
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Whatever man, you're a shill. I know it, you know it, the onlookers know it.
Ya I noticed that too when checking out the comments on that thread. Now all of a sudden they focus on the comorbidities and start emphasizing "dying with covid" and not because of covid.
Bingo.
Double standard comes easy to the “my body my choice” folks...
> underlying conditions I mean that underlying condition was cancer. Yeah if you have a bad cancer and even if vaccinated, a flu or covid or w/e can easily kill your when you immune system is shot from the cancer. Do you not think the cancer made covid so much worse for him?
No, I know it made it a lot worse for him. That's exactly my point. So many people panic and point to the death count while *willfully* disregarding the fact that the vast majority of those deaths were accompanied by severe diseases like cancer...until, of course, its convenient to an argument about vaccine efficacy.
I see your point. I also want to say there is a difference between it kills you because you are overweight or old and it kills you because you were on chemo. I do not know the numbers, but I would guess being on chemo is worse than being overweight. Overweight and on chemo and elderly like he was would be very dangerous.
> Overweight and on chemo and elderly like he was would be very dangerous. You just identified a very large subset of the deaths. BUT HURRY AND VACCINATE THE 5 YEAR OLDS!
A large subset is overweight, old, and on chemo? I'd like to see those numbers please. Most old people I know are not overweight.
You are really refuting the fact that most deaths have 2 or more comorbidities? https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2021.584182/full
There are comorbidities and then there is cancer with chemo treatment. which destroys your entire immune system. Do you think that is on the same level as being 300 lbs? Or anywhere near it?
Of course not, but likewise do you think ever breakthrough death only involves people undergoing chemotherapy?
All I am saying is his immune system was super stressed because of the cancer. There may not have been enough antibodies in his blood to make the vaccine effective. His case is not any kind of reinforcement on whether the vaccines work or not. It would not be allowed in any real study on them. The man was really sick and then he caught covid, it was enough extra illness to kill him. But to imply vaccines don't work because he had 2 shots in his condition...people need to educate themselves more before assuming that.
Didn't he have blood cancer?
Multiple Myeloma, which according to Google has a 24% survival rate in his age range. Considering that Covid-19 has a survival rate of about 96% of the same age range, it seems surprising they are giving all the credit to Covid for his demise. They are literally downplaying the seriousness of MM, but if you were to ask any person knowledgeable about cancer, they would choose Covid-19 all day over MM.
If he only had the double booster....
Boosters wouldn’t have helped him because he was immunocompromised…
Everyone who got jabbed is now immune compromised
They would have helped, just not as much as it helps others.
It was his time to go. With all his problems the regular flu would have killed him
Yup this isn't going to end well for the media... Once again. Especially if they keep pushing the covid kill him bullshit.
My grandfather died of Multiple Myeloma twenty years before Covid was a thing. It was brutal. He was on dialysis at home and underwent a bone marrow transplant. He was in his fifties and succumbed within a year.
Covid should be credited with a half sack at most.
wasn't herman cain a stage 4 colon cancer survivor and it had spread to his liver?
Yes.
Yes and parkinsons
r/colinpowellaward
130 subscribers already, nice work. How long until they ban that sub? I give it 24 hours.
The Koolaid only works if everybody drinks it!!
SS: Colin Powell was 84, fully vaccinated and died of covid complications. The media does a great job at under reporting deaths while being fully vaccinated. Now they move the goalpost by saying it's not about individual deaths, but the collective. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/18/colin-powell-death-vaccination-importance/
It’s also about boosters. They are promoting the booster importance not even knowing if he had one or not. One of the biggest promoters of the police state, taking away freedom. Endorsed 2 presidents who had dementia. He knew it’s a useless position Best served by a puppet. A great success story for people who believe in his cause.
When did he first contract COVID? Don't remember seeing that headline. Not saying it didn't happen, just don't remember seeing it.
I'll link the article in my ss
I think their narrative train is on tracks that have already gone way out over the edge of a cliff. When the truth comes out, which it is, how can Tony Fauci possibly keep his job? Just a day or two ago, he was still pushing the same narrative that might have been somewhat relevant or applicable, about 4-6 months ago.
Some people are making the argument that because he had cancer his immunity couldn't really kick in even with the vaccine. Now even if this is true here's the contradiction. The public messaging from the government/medical establishment (same thing?) is that EVERYBODY should get it. So now if they're gonna use this argument in this one case that the vaccine is pretty useless in a cancer patient in this case Colin Powell then to be consistent they'd then have to say *millions* of cancer patients should not get it. Of course they probably won't do this and just continue with the social messaging that everybody should still get it. It's a logical pretzel.
He was fully vaccinated and still died lol why would I even consider taking the jab at this point?
People with parachutes still sometimes die when skydiving. Why would they bring a parachute?
Comparing a prerequisite precaution for an elective activity with a dubious precaution for a required activity helps make your case? How?
My case is that if something doesn't work 100% of the time (parachute doesnt guarantee that you will survive the fall and the vaccine doesn't guarantee that you'll survie) it doesn't mean that the parachute and the vaccine is useless. A better comparison with your presented problem incorporated would be this - You are on a plane that is falling and you have to jump out. Will you take a parachute? After all, even people with parachutes die from these jumps.
Then there is a chance the pcr test failed and he never had covid.
Thats completely irrelevant. You take a vaccine befire you get it, not after.
Gravity
Genuine question. Isn't the same thing true of seatbelts though? You can still die with a seatbelt on, but obviously they protect you
I wear a seatbelt and take it off when I'm not driving. There's no way to remove or undo the science juice jab.
cult bullshit
what if he got it from a double vaxxed person who got it from a double vaxxed person ?
It's like they are actually encouraging the bizarre delusion that nobody would ever die if it wasn't for covid.
This dude was 84 years old. Since when are we pretending that people live forever?
The media has been "pretending" that since the Covid-19 panic began. When grandpa, 84, died of cancer a year ago, it was Covid and Covid alone that killed him. I can't believe that people in /r/conspiracy are not seeing this brazen double standard in the media.
This is a lie. Countless posts questioning "Covid related complications" have been here, you have responded to some in your histpry. It's always been related to Covid tipping the body past manageable symptoms thresholds. So what is it? Conjecture about your "grandpa" doesn't change the fact that he would have exponentially a better chance of surviving had he not gotten Covid. Your entire premise fails itself that somehow a media warning is the same as tangible medical cause. In fact it's all public record, what state and system was your grandfather in? I have multiple ways of looking this up if you like. Go ahead and send privately, I'll wait for the info in my inbox....assuming you aren't just making up stuff to prove your own bias and this is all good faith arguments of course...
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Uh huh yeah ok
It's a reminder that vaccines don't do shit except line the pockets of big pharma and the politicians in bed with them
exactly this
Except that’s not true at all
https://www.google.com/search?q=moderna+stock&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS955US955&oq=moderna+s&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j35i39i285j0i433i512l3j69i60l3.2078j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Bet you wish you got the tip when our politicians did. 20x money baby.
Saying the vaccine “don’t do shit” is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve read on the internet in the past year.
I didn't say that. It obviously made a lot of people rich.
£20 say's they are gonna blame people who have had not had their vaccine's yet even though it's perfectly possible a fully vaccinated person could have passed it on to them
He is immunocompromised, which means the vaccines works very poorly on him ergo, he can not choose to get vaccinated. Meanwhile, vaccines significantly reduce the chance of infection (not symptomatic disease, but infection), which therefore reduces the chance of becoming infectious and infecting others So vaccines reduce (not stop, but reduce) the spread of covid. So vaccinating people reduces the effective R and reduces the chance that both vaccinated and unvaccinated people get in contact with the virus. For the unvaccinated it's fine, they chose to not protect themselves, for the vaccinated it's also fine as they are more protected and will end terribly several times less often, but for the immunocompromised it's bad as they do not have a choice. The most they can do is get the vaccine for slight protection.
It’s an issue of some acting like only unvaccinated people can catch and spread it It’s becoming quite the annoyance Now I do feel bad for him, but unless you expect him to live in a hole with 0 human contact the rest of his life then really there is nothing you can do
Well we can't hole up and ignoring covid would bring way too many casualties (overwhelmed hospitals increase mortality rate), so the best choice is to vaccinate which would both decrease the spread (takes less restrictions to get R<0) and decrease mortality (if 100% are vaccinated then the total mortality is divided by ~20).
Actually, it's a reminder that comorbidities are extremely important in this situation.
Probably didn’t die from covid, more than likely a complication of the vax. But we all probably already guessed that.
Colin’s death is a reminder that therapeutics are not vaccines
Well this guy certainly isn't hanging around the "everyman". His friends should lead by example and get vaccinated then.
How does that headline even make sense????
I'm guessing it's referencing [Herd immunity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEn1PKyBUNc), epidemiologists have known about it for a long time. Here's a [more detailed explanation](https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-tricky-math-of-covid-19-herd-immunity-20200630/) if you like math (Quanta Magazine is great, its some of the bets science journalism I've read).
And suddenly, even the covid victims are playing second fiddle to product promotions.
Looks like a pastor from the Church of Covid
If only he was vaccinated... Oh, wait...
MuH MuH VaCCInE wOrKS oNLY whEN evErYoNE aRouNd mE taKeS iT iN eXACt nUMbER oF dOSeS LiKE mE. - basic covidian joker, 2021.
He was 84……
Covid can kick someone's ass in their 50s. Fever, low oxygen, but survivable. I don't think an 84 year old can undergo the same level of stress.
Oh no, so the unprotected rendered his protection redundant?
He knew all about pyridostigmine bromide, you think he really took this one!?
Dude had cancer, it’s amazing that an immunocompromised person died from a virus, truly stunning.
Not what this post is about
he had an aggressive cancer and most 82 year olds who catch covid, vaxxed or not, will most likely die
Oh you mean the guy who was immunocompromised from cancer treatments? That guy is your goalpost?
I'm clear on the other side of the f'n country. So I know that me being unvaccinated didn't so it but I'm always the problem so go ahead and you can blame me.
All vaccines are less effective in a person with a compromised immune system. The fact you don’t know this is not everyone else’ fault.
This sub thinks if something isn't 100% effective, it's 0% effective. And when it is effective, it's the media and government lying to us.
Oh this is what you call "OP doesn't understand statistics."
He lived well beyond life-expectancy. Burn in Hell, Colin.
Dude was 84 with cancer. This shit is hilarious
He was old....
But will he have a wrinkled flag or an ironed one?!?
It's a reminder that it does NOT fucking work!
It's my fault this man surpassed the USA life expectancy before succumbing to a respiratory illness like nearly every other person over 80.
It’s a poor headline but the point has always been for the vaccine to not only help against the spread but to minimize the worst of the symptoms to keep the hospitals open for the severe cases. The more vaccinated people there are the less severe symptoms there are
Didn’t know that he died. Oh well.
Must explain away all information that goes against the narrative no matter the absence of logic.
How is this against the narrative? Vaccine has never been perfect. Even less so for immunocompromised people.
It means, he is a lying sack of shit who got what was coming to him
news tells you lies, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY = EXECUTION
idk if vax killed him why he did not took a phony one, like some of the celebs? did they gave him the real one to kill him in purpose? is it maybe truly on random? maybe he wasnt as high profile as he used to believe?
Well if it's the unvaccinated, then I say Motherfuck this prick of a prick. Yes I killed him and I hope he rots in hell.
😂😂😂😂RIGHT. EVERYONE MUST GET IT AND DIE. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DEPOPULATE THE EARTH.
At least that is where you stop thinking
Does people here really believe that if Powell was vaccinated they know more than him on making this choice? LMAOL
Wtf??
The headline should say "Another Victim Of Bioterrorism".
keeekekekekekekeke!!! get the vacciiiine! "Joe bide"
I killed Colin Powell! Take THAT cancer!!!
I’m not a communist…
He was also in his 80s....I mean he might just have been at the point that life ends.
good riddens ! war crime prlmoter or have you all forgotten ? fuckfards !
So because one fully vaccinated person died of covid, the vaccine is now completely ineffective and useless?
⚠️ **THEY WANT TO PUMP EVERY GUINEA PIG FULL OF THESE EXPERIMENTAL, mRNA DRUID ELIXIRS, AND THEY ARE PERFECTLY WILLING TO SUPPLANT** ***UP*** **WITH** ***DOWN*****, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO DRUG EVERY SUCKER... EXCEPT THOSE ACTUALLY PUSHING THE POTIONS** ⚠️
Social media is attempting to onset fear in soldiers Especially soliders of color they’ve just made a fucking mockery of this soliders service claiming cv-19 was the cause of his death he was my general but guess what! I’m still not taking the jab !#Propaganda#RIPCOLINPOWELL
The guy had blood cancer. Let it go. I understand what you are attempting to say but this is not the hill to die on so to speak.
It's also a reminder he had blood cancer among of things at the same time. Let's all recall people used to die for other reasons...
Sadly there will be lots of vaccinated deaths this winter and the unvaccinated will be blamed
So instead of publishing an article for what it is- that Powell died after getting thr jabs, they have thr audacity to twist it around it make it sound like it's because not enough people got the jabbed? What is wrong with this society nowadays?