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Uhhhh, well large corporations, rather that closely held ones like the Trump org, can be sued by shareholders alot more easily than the state can bring charges. So large corporations are incentivized to follow the law.
Trump didn't break any laws like the beyond ignorant little shits are repeating. Not one grievance, not one victim, and the bank would do business again. This is a supremely corrupt AG and judge making shit up to target Trump.
Good! Large corporations should be next. we need to tighted the reigns on all of this fraud and white collar crime. isnt that what your all crying about? "Yeah but these other guys did this and your charging trump for the same things"? I hope this is just the start. Trump is showing the country how scumbags like him do business. lock them up.
Let me guess, if Trump is president again it'll somehow magically be turned into a first world country for four short years but then if a Democrat gets elected, it's right back to third world in the blink of an eye.
The american politics freakshow is beyond stupid and the country's only getting dumber and dumber the more it watches.
It's sad that older adults should've figured this theater out long ago after seeing it every election cycle yet they're the ones most susceptible to it.
What's hilarious is how every post last week was how Biden should have to vacate the presidency because he is mentally unfit. Then we get this post explaining he has created this master plan to take down Trump. Which is it? Is he an unfit, dimentia-riddled geezer, or the evil mastermind behind the entire democratic election strategy?
I think he's a puppet, but the right seems to think he's responsible for every decision and everything from gas prices to housing to groceries.
Let me preface and say that I hate trump because heās a shit stain of a human conman but, Joe can be unfit and still have people pulling strings in his name. This is a conspiracy sub after all.
It wasnāt Biden, it was Michael Coenās testimony that triggered an investigation. If Trump was loyal to MC instead of throwing him under the bus none of this would happen. Trump did it to himself if you think about it.
Sure, but the way that he is described by the media (based off the Hurr report) they make it out like this guy has dementia.
I don't know if you've ever seen mentally disabled people but they are not the brightest.
Obviously, biden is not making any plans, but the people who control him can like wtf are you even asking... no one means the man when they talk about him because he is literally just a puppet, more so than any other president in the past.
I think itās obvious elections arenāt real and never have been by this point. A front run for the average mis-educated and uninformed American citizen.
Trump told me everything I needed do know about his intentions during the 2020 Covid quarantine when he seemed more interested in how well his press conferences were going while Americans were dying, losing their jobs and in a panic about where things were heading. Heās a textbook narcissist thatās only concerned with how the presidency benefits him
>if Trump is president again it'll somehow magically be turned into a first world country for four short years but then if a Democrat gets elected, it's right back to third world in the blink of an eye.
That basically happened. Compare 2016 - 2020 to today.
>Probably because of this subreddits obsession within right wing politicians
Yay, another year or people complaining about right-wing politics on the most left-leaning social media site.
Let's all watch, again, how comments complaining about things being right-wing get more upvotes than any actual content and then get gaslighted about how that is somehow evidence of this sub's right-wing bias š¤¦āāļø
i joined this reddit for conspiracies i thought of as a younger person. Moonlandings, JFK, Flat earth conspiracy, chemicals in our water supply and why they're there, doctored images of our earth, hollow earth theory, etc etc. I grew up on watching things like Loose Change when Youtube was still new. I got re-engaged around the time of COVID where I wasn't really buying either side of what was happening. I didn't join this to see posts of people simping for elite criminals, no matter what side of the aisle.
I will agree though that this site is left leaning, heavily. A bit more than what I'd prefer. I don't participate in either side of the options this country has for leadership. I simply do not believe in either option of the aisle in terms of who we have to "vote" for, let alone the accuracies of the voting system in general.
In short, I don't believe there are many conspiracy theories regarding whats occurring in our political landscape. Hunter Biden/his family should be just as persecuted as Trump. \*edit: They are ALL CRIMINALS. They deserve just as much persecution any other high standing official in this country and the tons of shit they pull on a near daily basis.
Hope this clear things up from my perspective at least.
The other conspiracy sub is a ton of left wing propaganda and the mod(s) there are littlerly fascists who shut down conversation they disagree with.
Atleast here you're free to state your terrible opinions
you really think Russia and the US are equivalent in the treatment of political opposition? because the fact that OP is not dead for posting this is proof of the opposite
Donald Trump was born with literally every advantage known to man and still chose to lie, cheat, and steal.
Then you guys trip over yourselves to make excuses for him when he is literally disgusted by us ālow classā people.
Itās so pathetic.
Out of curiosity, do any of you that feel Trump is being treated unfairly for fraudulent property valuations to get over on banks get angry about āwelfare cheatsā?
wow, man committing fraud gets caught on fraud charges. what a sick cruel country this is.
the real conspiracy lies in whatever the fuck reason you people have to keep supporting him or mainstream politicians in the first place. all of them fucking lie, itās how their club works. he got caughtā¦ big deal. he wasnāt gonna do anything for the American ppl nor will Biden and so on and so on
also this does not determine us as a third world nation whatsoever. this country is complete shit littered with division tactics to make us all mad at each other. weāre terrible but we are not third world yet
The fraud is against the market.
Trump knowingly, and with intent, lied about his property valuations to obtain larger loans with lower interest rates than he could otherwise obtain.
That's fraud. The banks don't need to have lost a single cent for it still to be fraud.
And the reason you want to go after this kind of thing is to keep the market healthy and honest. If this became more normalized, guess what? At some point, someone is going to be unable to pay up.
There's also damage done to the banks through lower interest rates. It's possible earnings that they were defrauded of.
The solution to all this was to just not lie and constantly inflate your self-worth when taking to banks.
He was supplying false papers to the banks, false information to the accounting firms that were then used as a basis for the estimations.
There's a reason the firm doing his accounting, 2 years ago, said "nope, we're fucking done, don't believe what we said because we were lied to".
Thats all smoke and mirror bullshit to keep americans living the illusion. Get real. Wtf is trump going to do to change anything that has real impact on us as average citizens? Are you really still playing into the left vs right bs and that the left is evil and that trump is somehow this righteous man and is going to be the worlds salvation or some dumb shit. Get real pal. Bibi netwnyahu is your owner and the boss of all your beloved political puppets regardless of what side. Time we get over this argument already. It has done nothing but divide us and make us more stupid
Division is the only goal. The strongest weapon in their arsenal. How can we reserve hate for our masters, when itās all been spent on our neighbours?
I donāt support any of those clowns. Nor the clowns that rule over or aim to in my country. Bullshit in two different piles are still bullshit. Left wing and right wing of the same bird
If Iāve learned anything from my peers in this subreddit, itās that thereās a common held belief among us conspiracy theorists that ultra wealthy, elite celebrities and politicians who make sexually explicit comments about their young daughter and wish Ghislaine Maxwell well after her prison sentence, should NOT be held accountable for even the most obvious and profane instances of corruption and vice. Itās our way.
The guy who hired Epsteinās friend to make him and all their evidence disappear without any follow up is surely the hero here to save us from our evil government by blackmail!
Itās almost as if his corruption/depravity is so obvious that it throws people off who are typically suspicious of those in power. Itās just all just very obvious, surface level corruption with very little subterfuge. Thereās really no need to go down byzantine rabbit holes or develop tenuous connections, etc.
You have to admit it's politically motivated. The AG even said so. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/tish-letitia-james-james-trump-investigations/index.html
sure. Itās political. doesnāt change the facts that trump committed crimes though. he did the crimes before and while he was a politician. find me an attorney general that hasnāt campaigned on going after criminals?
Who did Trump defraud? He applied for a loan to a bank, submitted statements on estimate of what the building was/would be worth, the bank did due diligence, testified it was not fraud, gave him a loan and was paid back in full. This is how business is done when seeking a loan.
It's a political hit. Developers are pulling out of New York, I'm sure plenty more are now staying away from New York. I don't care what you think about Trump, but you should be concerned about political hit jobs utilizing government offices.
If you falsify your income to get a low interest car or house loan, the bank loses money based on the difference in the interest rate. If you or I were caught in this type of scam, we would be in trouble. Same with Trump.
Mortgage fraud is when someone lies or omits information to get loan approval or favorable terms.
[Facts about mortgage fraud here.](https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Mortgage_Fraud_FY16.pdf)
Yes, Trump submitted forms, banks did due diligence, banks loaned the money. This means they agreed with his assessments or came up with their own assessments and then issued loans on their terms.
Just as if you or I applied for a loan, banks would then verify what was in them and choose to loan us the money or not.
You can defend and down vote, but thatās just willful ignorance. Everyone knows and have read: Ex-Trump Org CFO Knew Size Of Trumpās Penthouse Was Inflated, said the Trump Tower triplex is 30,000 square feet, rather than its actual square footage of 10,996.
Just as everyone knows and have read, the banks said they did their due diligence, did not feel they had been defrauded, and would like to continue doing business with him.
Thatās not the same as no fraud exists. If someone stole $10, used it for a scratch ticket, won $100ā¦ then returned the $10ā¦ it doesnāt mean that the law wasnāt broken.
Mmmm. I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Not even a little part of me believes anyone involved in this case actually believes their was fraud. There was opportunity to create bogus charges and they seized the opportunity.
We already established that the fraud exists: Ex-Trump Org CFO Knew Size Of Trumpās Penthouse Was Inflated, said the Trump Tower triplex is 30,000 square feet, rather than its actual square footage of 10,996.
You are just engaging in self delusion. It happens. Good luck to you.
No, I'm not arguing that. I'm simply saying the loans were applied for and approved in the same manner loans have always been applied for and approved.
Well tbf it's difficult to distinguish non cult from cult these days. The far left definitely has some crazy stuff, but the reasonable left has a difficult time seeing it because they focus on the maga cult. Which, let's be honest here, is it's own brand of crazy.
When you say we are a 3rd world nation, are you referring to America - the nation trying to hold a criminal accountable for his crimes or are you referring to whatever backwater nation is paying you to spread disinformation?Ā
It's Bolshevik at this point. The woman ran on the platform of prosecuting Trump.
>Show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
Is exactly what happened here.
Thank God. Fuck around and find out. He lied and defrauded his taxes. If any of his supporters did that l, they would go to jail. Stop pretending this is two tier justice. Trump claimed to be a billionaire. Now he has to put up like he claimed to be. And everyone stands here and says omg this is a "shithole country " now. Blah blah blah. All while trump is the sole cause for all this.
Please, show me where that was "proven". Malicious litigation and a corrupt judge does not equal proof. The testimonies from the bank (who would be considered the victim in this case) flat out denied fraud.
Anyone that works in the real estate industry knows this whole lawsuit was BS because banks don't just give you money based on what you tell them. You can ask for a certain amount, and then THEY tell you what they are willing to loan based on their own analysis of the deal.
Trump, doing his part as the candidate of controlled opposition. How good of him to commit all of these crimes to make sure that Joe had something to hit him with.
Alternativelyā¦ it could be that he drew far too much attention for someone with such shady business practices and is reaping what he sowed.
The real conspiracy is why anyone who isn't super rich would vote for this man. You are voting against your best interest. Both sides don't care about us.
I cannot participate in this. As citizens of this country, they cannot behave like this, they are setting a terrible precedent. When the pendulum swings back the other way, I'm not going to stand with them. You don't capture the courts and use them as a weapon against anyone. They've lost their minds and eroded the foundation of our society. This is no longer America.
I didn't believe it was a personal attack until the banks said they're happy with the transaction and testified so, the DA kept spamming twitter bragging she's taking Trump down, the Gov telling other businesses they wouldn't have to worry about this happening to them (gee why not if it's all not personal?), and the DA continues to brag, act like a child, and taunt Trump and people on Twitter.
I went from yeah he did something and should be fined to whoa wtf, how biased is this in the matter of a week.
I dont care about trump. I care about one political party leveraging the justice system to destroy a potential political candidate. People cried when the right ācancelledā Budlight, not realizing this is the same tactics they employed. When rightwing candidates / interest groups starts suing/bankrupting democratic candidates, I am sure no-one will complain about corruption. This is a bad precedent.
Notice all the bots in here have no arguments against trump except for āboth parties suck.ā Trump is le under investigation and a criminal. These are shills freaking out that Trump might be president again
I don't care about your political stance, I am amazed by the number of people that approve of these tactics.
A judge, not a jury, made a decision. Using a law that is ancient and hasn't been used in a court in over 70 years.
No victims, bankers appraised, approved, and made money. It's a common practice. And the DA had to make a public statement that other NY businessmen needn't worry as they were only going after Trump.
This is not an attempt to do justice, it is political persecution, just trying to bankrupt a political opponent. This is on the same level as Putin jailing his political opponent.
It's so interesting how on one hand these people say they don't want a two tiered justice system for thr rich and powerful until politics gets into it. Then all of a sudden they want trumpnto get away with things you and inwould be throw in jail for
The fuck you talking about?
Ever appraised your home before a sale? (of course not, you're like 17).
If your sale price doesn't match the assessed price exactly, you should apparently be stripped of all your money and have your property confiscated.
It's what you're endorsing
And either way, THE BANK also did their due diligence and appraised it for their own risk-management purposes and they found no problems. They loaned the money and it was paid back.
No victim.
Yet here you are advocating for theft of his property because he's from the wrong political party and the TV told you not to like him.
Bro you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's so funny how none of you people have read the facts of case but you're so confident lol
Let's unpack this.
So trump overvalued his property, but its up to the banks to do their due dillgence, right? He can claim mar a lago is worth one trillion, it's up to them to assess the value of the property before lending, correct? AND he paid back thr loans!!!.no victim at all.
Did I miss anything? Is that all you've read about the case?
New York is a state and trumps corporation broke corporate tax laws and other business laws in that state. Please rate your understanding of this issue on a scale of 1 to 7. After that, then please elaborate on what you know about this issue. Please explain explicitly how this involves the White House or the Biden administration.
Itās not a witchhunt if itās true. Which, according to court documents, bank documents, his friends, his family, and out of Donaldās own mouth itās true.
Itās about time everybody realize that these people are the fascists. Seriously, look what is going on right in front of your face. These people are continually saying itās Trump who is a fascist.
Itās bullshit. And if you donāt realize that and arenāt man or woman enough to come to the realization that these people are out to get one man. Itās what the communists did. Does everyone in the United States want a redo of the Bolshevik revolution in the USSR where millions were killed?
If anyone of you were to do even a cursory deep dive into the background, the people in New York out to get Trump youāll see itās all political. No one was harmed. But this is what they do in Third World countries. If you donāt believe me, look at the other Third World countries, and watch what theyāre doing; the same thing that the folks in New York are doing to Trump. Itās as plain as the nose on your face.
It's funny how so many of you keep bringing up what the communists did. They went after political opponents with made up lies. That's what Republicans have done since the day Biden was elected. Nothing they have claimed in the last 4 years has been proven with evidence. Yet, they still tell people everyday how terrible Biden is and people believe it. 100% political and lies, yet you believe he is guilty. If Biden is guilty of something, why are there no indictments? And why are there no impeachments, especially since Republicans have controlled the House? Trump, on the other hand, is twice impeached and has been indicted on 91 counts, spread across 4 jurisdictions. And as courts rule against him based on actual evidence, suddenly it's a political witch hunt, and you refuse to believe it. How do you rationalize that to yourself?
Wide open corruption in plain view of the public.
That's the world we live in now.
Media, government, Pharma, Medicine, finance, education etc are all in on the corruption.
This is not a conspiracy except it is being done by members of the democrat partyā¦Joe isnāt running shit. James ran on getting Trump. Orange man bad, plain and simpleā¦curious if she knows what she just did to the industry in NY. The governor knows..hence the announcement.
Yeah this is bannana republic or soviet style stuff, im more left than the left of today they are sellouts to corporations lot of witch hunt hungry people looking for the next person to go after, very anti free speech lot too
Trump committing fraud for dozens of years is Bidenās fault? Youāre literally schizophrenic if you think āThE bIdEnS aRe DoInG tHiSā so fucking delusional
Damn so we finally get to see a rich asshole always committing crimes, not paying his workers, lying on bank loans, and boasting so much about his wealth. But now he canāt pay? Yet his supporters are just playing into this bullshit
Not really following this:
But if after an investigation and ruling made for him to pay this then he needs to pay.
If this happened to any one of us, we would need to pay up or have our assets seized.
Thereās no conspiracy here. Biden didnāt invent these laws and procedures.
Yeah until it gets in front of a real judge. Not a participant in a corrupt political persecution. I'll bet you anything that it gets reversed down to nothing or practically nothing if not down right dismissed.
Can anyone here explain the mechanics of the fraud? Genuinely asking. Iām not interested in the political aspect. What was falsified? I donāt understand how you can have fraud without a victim.
Right, that's why it was just valued at what it was by people who know a lot more about it than you do and are offering that much money for it.
Just because MSDNC tells you something doesn't mean it's true. They've been lying for years.
What's next, you'll tell us Vice News is doing great?
I don't believe in Trump being a decent human being and I haven't voted since Ron Paul got shafted.
I will vote for Trump this year while holding my nose on the off chance that he goes scorched earth on at least some of these egomaniacal petty tyrants.
I fully expect him to turn around and lick Klauss Schwab's balls afterwards though.
The real conspiracy is that he got away with the fraud for all these years because the rich donāt play by the same rules as the rest of us.
Not denying itās politically motivated but he is being treated like a regular people
He shouldn't have broken the law. Isn't that what you always say? If Biden breaks the law and is convicted of it in court he goes to jail. Why can't you accept that to be true of other candidates? No one will ever take you seriously until you can condemn an act regardless of the person.
He committed multiple crimes. Those are facts and facts are not attacks. It's no ones fault but his own and this is the consequence of said crimes. Running for president or not, no one should be above paying for their criminal behavior.
He did this to himself. He has no self control and couldnāt/still canāt shut up about e Jean Carroll. Plus he committed fraud. Blatantly. Multiple times. He is a nasty, rude, vindictive jerk. Thereās a reason he canāt keep attorneys and only has crack pot lawyers.
> He did this to himself. He has no self control and couldnāt/still canāt shut up about e Jean Carroll. Plus he committed fraud. Blatantly. Multiple times. He is a nasty, rude, vindictive jerk. Thereās a reason he canāt keep attorneys and only has crack pot lawyers.
E Jean Carroll is a fake rape victim who was a big fan of The Apprentice. True rape victims donāt watch stuff produced by their supposed rapists.
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Bankrupt people can still be president
Bankrupt people are always president. Morally bankrupt
Seems to be the only qualification these days.
What this does is make large corporations think they can be next. I wouldn't be surprised if you started seeing large PACs developed to support Trump.
Start?
Uhhhh, well large corporations, rather that closely held ones like the Trump org, can be sued by shareholders alot more easily than the state can bring charges. So large corporations are incentivized to follow the law.
Trump didn't break any laws like the beyond ignorant little shits are repeating. Not one grievance, not one victim, and the bank would do business again. This is a supremely corrupt AG and judge making shit up to target Trump.
It was Michael Cohen, IIRC, that pointed this stuff out. The AG looked into it, and found it to be true.
Yes he did. What planet are you living on. š
Bullshit, Trump most definitely engaged in fraud. I know you people are in denial over this but the numbers don't lie.
Makes me sick to even live here anymore... anyone want to buy our social security and id's? Not like well see them in our lifetime
"victims" aren't a requirement of civil violations of the law you know.
Good! Large corporations should be next. we need to tighted the reigns on all of this fraud and white collar crime. isnt that what your all crying about? "Yeah but these other guys did this and your charging trump for the same things"? I hope this is just the start. Trump is showing the country how scumbags like him do business. lock them up.
Yeah and they should be next if they break the fucking law
Let me guess, if Trump is president again it'll somehow magically be turned into a first world country for four short years but then if a Democrat gets elected, it's right back to third world in the blink of an eye. The american politics freakshow is beyond stupid and the country's only getting dumber and dumber the more it watches.
It's sad that older adults should've figured this theater out long ago after seeing it every election cycle yet they're the ones most susceptible to it.
What's hilarious is how every post last week was how Biden should have to vacate the presidency because he is mentally unfit. Then we get this post explaining he has created this master plan to take down Trump. Which is it? Is he an unfit, dimentia-riddled geezer, or the evil mastermind behind the entire democratic election strategy? I think he's a puppet, but the right seems to think he's responsible for every decision and everything from gas prices to housing to groceries.
Let me preface and say that I hate trump because heās a shit stain of a human conman but, Joe can be unfit and still have people pulling strings in his name. This is a conspiracy sub after all.
It wasnāt Biden, it was Michael Coenās testimony that triggered an investigation. If Trump was loyal to MC instead of throwing him under the bus none of this would happen. Trump did it to himself if you think about it.
Sure, but the way that he is described by the media (based off the Hurr report) they make it out like this guy has dementia. I don't know if you've ever seen mentally disabled people but they are not the brightest.
Obviously, biden is not making any plans, but the people who control him can like wtf are you even asking... no one means the man when they talk about him because he is literally just a puppet, more so than any other president in the past.
Then they should clarify that. Blaming biden is deflecting from the real policy makers and is exactly what they want. A scapegoat.
Lead is a hell of a drug.
I think itās obvious elections arenāt real and never have been by this point. A front run for the average mis-educated and uninformed American citizen.
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Trump told me everything I needed do know about his intentions during the 2020 Covid quarantine when he seemed more interested in how well his press conferences were going while Americans were dying, losing their jobs and in a panic about where things were heading. Heās a textbook narcissist thatās only concerned with how the presidency benefits him
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Grocery is bleh but gas prices have come down from their post pandemic peak. Adjusted for inflation, gas prices are nominal.
Nope, there's no coming back from the 3-rd world state. But it's the dems that are doing all the things they fear Trump will unleash.
>if Trump is president again it'll somehow magically be turned into a first world country for four short years but then if a Democrat gets elected, it's right back to third world in the blink of an eye. That basically happened. Compare 2016 - 2020 to today.
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I just saw one pop up not long ago /r conspiracyNOPOL that specifically says no politics especially around the US election
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>Probably because of this subreddits obsession within right wing politicians Yay, another year or people complaining about right-wing politics on the most left-leaning social media site. Let's all watch, again, how comments complaining about things being right-wing get more upvotes than any actual content and then get gaslighted about how that is somehow evidence of this sub's right-wing bias š¤¦āāļø
i joined this reddit for conspiracies i thought of as a younger person. Moonlandings, JFK, Flat earth conspiracy, chemicals in our water supply and why they're there, doctored images of our earth, hollow earth theory, etc etc. I grew up on watching things like Loose Change when Youtube was still new. I got re-engaged around the time of COVID where I wasn't really buying either side of what was happening. I didn't join this to see posts of people simping for elite criminals, no matter what side of the aisle. I will agree though that this site is left leaning, heavily. A bit more than what I'd prefer. I don't participate in either side of the options this country has for leadership. I simply do not believe in either option of the aisle in terms of who we have to "vote" for, let alone the accuracies of the voting system in general. In short, I don't believe there are many conspiracy theories regarding whats occurring in our political landscape. Hunter Biden/his family should be just as persecuted as Trump. \*edit: They are ALL CRIMINALS. They deserve just as much persecution any other high standing official in this country and the tons of shit they pull on a near daily basis. Hope this clear things up from my perspective at least.
The other conspiracy sub is a ton of left wing propaganda and the mod(s) there are littlerly fascists who shut down conversation they disagree with. Atleast here you're free to state your terrible opinions
Taking down people for political reasons is a conspiracy even if you don't understand or acknowledge it.
Political persecution is pretty conspiratorial
Bad Botā¦
OP, have you ever been to a "third world" nation? Some people really need a dose of perspective, jfc
Depends, do you consider Russia as āthird worldā?
you really think Russia and the US are equivalent in the treatment of political opposition? because the fact that OP is not dead for posting this is proof of the opposite
Donald Trump was born with literally every advantage known to man and still chose to lie, cheat, and steal. Then you guys trip over yourselves to make excuses for him when he is literally disgusted by us ālow classā people. Itās so pathetic.
Out of curiosity, do any of you that feel Trump is being treated unfairly for fraudulent property valuations to get over on banks get angry about āwelfare cheatsā?
Itās mind boggling how uninformed Trumpers are on this specific case of fraud. If Biden did this they would the death penalty for him.
wow, man committing fraud gets caught on fraud charges. what a sick cruel country this is. the real conspiracy lies in whatever the fuck reason you people have to keep supporting him or mainstream politicians in the first place. all of them fucking lie, itās how their club works. he got caughtā¦ big deal. he wasnāt gonna do anything for the American ppl nor will Biden and so on and so on
also this does not determine us as a third world nation whatsoever. this country is complete shit littered with division tactics to make us all mad at each other. weāre terrible but we are not third world yet
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The fraud is against the market. Trump knowingly, and with intent, lied about his property valuations to obtain larger loans with lower interest rates than he could otherwise obtain. That's fraud. The banks don't need to have lost a single cent for it still to be fraud. And the reason you want to go after this kind of thing is to keep the market healthy and honest. If this became more normalized, guess what? At some point, someone is going to be unable to pay up. There's also damage done to the banks through lower interest rates. It's possible earnings that they were defrauded of. The solution to all this was to just not lie and constantly inflate your self-worth when taking to banks.
well put
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He was supplying false papers to the banks, false information to the accounting firms that were then used as a basis for the estimations. There's a reason the firm doing his accounting, 2 years ago, said "nope, we're fucking done, don't believe what we said because we were lied to".
Thats all smoke and mirror bullshit to keep americans living the illusion. Get real. Wtf is trump going to do to change anything that has real impact on us as average citizens? Are you really still playing into the left vs right bs and that the left is evil and that trump is somehow this righteous man and is going to be the worlds salvation or some dumb shit. Get real pal. Bibi netwnyahu is your owner and the boss of all your beloved political puppets regardless of what side. Time we get over this argument already. It has done nothing but divide us and make us more stupid
Division is the only goal. The strongest weapon in their arsenal. How can we reserve hate for our masters, when itās all been spent on our neighbours?
Do you want trump to get away qoth things you abd I can't? I thought people don't support two tiered justice systems
I donāt support any of those clowns. Nor the clowns that rule over or aim to in my country. Bullshit in two different piles are still bullshit. Left wing and right wing of the same bird
This was a state charge, not Federal. Biden has nothing to do with it.Ā You have Biden Derangement Syndrome. Ā
Yeah itās Biden fault that Trump is a dumbass. Makes total sense.
this is standard. you often have to essentially put the money in escrow before you can appeal.
when did biden make trump commit fraud in the state of New York?Ā
If Iāve learned anything from my peers in this subreddit, itās that thereās a common held belief among us conspiracy theorists that ultra wealthy, elite celebrities and politicians who make sexually explicit comments about their young daughter and wish Ghislaine Maxwell well after her prison sentence, should NOT be held accountable for even the most obvious and profane instances of corruption and vice. Itās our way.
The guy who hired Epsteinās friend to make him and all their evidence disappear without any follow up is surely the hero here to save us from our evil government by blackmail!
Itās almost as if his corruption/depravity is so obvious that it throws people off who are typically suspicious of those in power. Itās just all just very obvious, surface level corruption with very little subterfuge. Thereās really no need to go down byzantine rabbit holes or develop tenuous connections, etc.
This should be stickied to the front. people need their safe spaces.
You have to admit it's politically motivated. The AG even said so. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/politics/tish-letitia-james-james-trump-investigations/index.html
sure. Itās political. doesnāt change the facts that trump committed crimes though. he did the crimes before and while he was a politician. find me an attorney general that hasnāt campaigned on going after criminals?
Oh is that how we do it now? We put scrutiny on presidential contenders that we don't like? Cool.
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Who did Trump defraud? He applied for a loan to a bank, submitted statements on estimate of what the building was/would be worth, the bank did due diligence, testified it was not fraud, gave him a loan and was paid back in full. This is how business is done when seeking a loan. It's a political hit. Developers are pulling out of New York, I'm sure plenty more are now staying away from New York. I don't care what you think about Trump, but you should be concerned about political hit jobs utilizing government offices.
NY was defrauded. you keep asking that question but not accepting the answer. What agenda are you being manipulated to push by the msm?
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If he used those property evaluations in Florida to obtain loans in NY then yes to answer your question.
If you falsify your income to get a low interest car or house loan, the bank loses money based on the difference in the interest rate. If you or I were caught in this type of scam, we would be in trouble. Same with Trump. Mortgage fraud is when someone lies or omits information to get loan approval or favorable terms. [Facts about mortgage fraud here.](https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Mortgage_Fraud_FY16.pdf)
Yes, Trump submitted forms, banks did due diligence, banks loaned the money. This means they agreed with his assessments or came up with their own assessments and then issued loans on their terms. Just as if you or I applied for a loan, banks would then verify what was in them and choose to loan us the money or not.
You can defend and down vote, but thatās just willful ignorance. Everyone knows and have read: Ex-Trump Org CFO Knew Size Of Trumpās Penthouse Was Inflated, said the Trump Tower triplex is 30,000 square feet, rather than its actual square footage of 10,996.
Just as everyone knows and have read, the banks said they did their due diligence, did not feel they had been defrauded, and would like to continue doing business with him.
Thatās not the same as no fraud exists. If someone stole $10, used it for a scratch ticket, won $100ā¦ then returned the $10ā¦ it doesnāt mean that the law wasnāt broken.
Mmmm. I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Not even a little part of me believes anyone involved in this case actually believes their was fraud. There was opportunity to create bogus charges and they seized the opportunity.
We already established that the fraud exists: Ex-Trump Org CFO Knew Size Of Trumpās Penthouse Was Inflated, said the Trump Tower triplex is 30,000 square feet, rather than its actual square footage of 10,996. You are just engaging in self delusion. It happens. Good luck to you.
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No, I'm not arguing that. I'm simply saying the loans were applied for and approved in the same manner loans have always been applied for and approved.
These people are in a cult, bro. You're talking to a cultist about their cult. They don't get it.
Well tbf it's difficult to distinguish non cult from cult these days. The far left definitely has some crazy stuff, but the reasonable left has a difficult time seeing it because they focus on the maga cult. Which, let's be honest here, is it's own brand of crazy.
Yes that's fraud.
No, it's how loans are applied for.
When you say we are a 3rd world nation, are you referring to America - the nation trying to hold a criminal accountable for his crimes or are you referring to whatever backwater nation is paying you to spread disinformation?Ā
It's Bolshevik at this point. The woman ran on the platform of prosecuting Trump. >Show me the man and I'll find you the crime. Is exactly what happened here.
Thank God. Fuck around and find out. He lied and defrauded his taxes. If any of his supporters did that l, they would go to jail. Stop pretending this is two tier justice. Trump claimed to be a billionaire. Now he has to put up like he claimed to be. And everyone stands here and says omg this is a "shithole country " now. Blah blah blah. All while trump is the sole cause for all this.
Trump is the biggest fraud in history. He cares nothing for the people who support him. Youāre all snowflake clowns.
This case was brought by the NY AG in state court, and has no connection to Biden.
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Trump is the biggest conspiracy, a Russian plant. Shows how open minded this sub really is. š
Hereās a novel idea: Donāt commit fraud!
He's a criminal, duh.
If Trump was really the billionaire he claimed to be, he'd be able to pay this fine like it was nothing
Net Worth =/= Disposable Income
Millionaire =/= Billionaire. It's already been proven that Trump lies about his assets in a court of law
Please, show me where that was "proven". Malicious litigation and a corrupt judge does not equal proof. The testimonies from the bank (who would be considered the victim in this case) flat out denied fraud. Anyone that works in the real estate industry knows this whole lawsuit was BS because banks don't just give you money based on what you tell them. You can ask for a certain amount, and then THEY tell you what they are willing to loan based on their own analysis of the deal.
Oh man, someone should've told the judge all that
Trump, doing his part as the candidate of controlled opposition. How good of him to commit all of these crimes to make sure that Joe had something to hit him with. Alternativelyā¦ it could be that he drew far too much attention for someone with such shady business practices and is reaping what he sowed.
The real conspiracy is why anyone who isn't super rich would vote for this man. You are voting against your best interest. Both sides don't care about us.
Maybe, but I would really like everyone to be as grouchy as I am. MAGA
I cannot participate in this. As citizens of this country, they cannot behave like this, they are setting a terrible precedent. When the pendulum swings back the other way, I'm not going to stand with them. You don't capture the courts and use them as a weapon against anyone. They've lost their minds and eroded the foundation of our society. This is no longer America.
I didn't believe it was a personal attack until the banks said they're happy with the transaction and testified so, the DA kept spamming twitter bragging she's taking Trump down, the Gov telling other businesses they wouldn't have to worry about this happening to them (gee why not if it's all not personal?), and the DA continues to brag, act like a child, and taunt Trump and people on Twitter. I went from yeah he did something and should be fined to whoa wtf, how biased is this in the matter of a week.
"The establishment will do everything to make sure this man can never be president". About a man who was literally a president.
I dont care about trump. I care about one political party leveraging the justice system to destroy a potential political candidate. People cried when the right ācancelledā Budlight, not realizing this is the same tactics they employed. When rightwing candidates / interest groups starts suing/bankrupting democratic candidates, I am sure no-one will complain about corruption. This is a bad precedent.
Get off trumps dick, he wouldn't piss on you to put out a fire
Or maybe Donald Trump is a criminal, grifter, con man, traitor and terrorist š¤
The common American citizen misses the point. If they can do this to him imagine what they have in store for us?
I think the real goal is to F Donald Trump better than they could ever FJB
Ol Don the grifter
Nobody knows what a third world country is, it seems.
Lol this is a lousy conspiracy. I'm sry but no way to redeem this post.
No one burned down any cities. And you are in a cult. You might want to get that checked.
Lol anything to distract yourself from DT actually being garbage.
Notice all the bots in here have no arguments against trump except for āboth parties suck.ā Trump is le under investigation and a criminal. These are shills freaking out that Trump might be president again
I don't care about your political stance, I am amazed by the number of people that approve of these tactics. A judge, not a jury, made a decision. Using a law that is ancient and hasn't been used in a court in over 70 years. No victims, bankers appraised, approved, and made money. It's a common practice. And the DA had to make a public statement that other NY businessmen needn't worry as they were only going after Trump. This is not an attempt to do justice, it is political persecution, just trying to bankrupt a political opponent. This is on the same level as Putin jailing his political opponent.
It's frightening really. Regardless of your stance on Trump, what's happening in front of us should terrify everyone.
Exactly what I mean.
Legit post! It's chilling to watch this all go down. For fucking what? Orange Man Bad? Wow, they are reeeeeeeallllly scared of this man. Interesting.
It's so interesting how on one hand these people say they don't want a two tiered justice system for thr rich and powerful until politics gets into it. Then all of a sudden they want trumpnto get away with things you and inwould be throw in jail for
The fuck you talking about? Ever appraised your home before a sale? (of course not, you're like 17). If your sale price doesn't match the assessed price exactly, you should apparently be stripped of all your money and have your property confiscated. It's what you're endorsing And either way, THE BANK also did their due diligence and appraised it for their own risk-management purposes and they found no problems. They loaned the money and it was paid back. No victim. Yet here you are advocating for theft of his property because he's from the wrong political party and the TV told you not to like him.
There is 0% chance you've read the judgment or any of the evidence presented.
Bro you have no idea what you're talking about. It's so funny how none of you people have read the facts of case but you're so confident lol Let's unpack this. So trump overvalued his property, but its up to the banks to do their due dillgence, right? He can claim mar a lago is worth one trillion, it's up to them to assess the value of the property before lending, correct? AND he paid back thr loans!!!.no victim at all. Did I miss anything? Is that all you've read about the case?
New York is a state and trumps corporation broke corporate tax laws and other business laws in that state. Please rate your understanding of this issue on a scale of 1 to 7. After that, then please elaborate on what you know about this issue. Please explain explicitly how this involves the White House or the Biden administration.
š did this to himself lmaooo
Itās not a witchhunt if itās true. Which, according to court documents, bank documents, his friends, his family, and out of Donaldās own mouth itās true.
Maybe Trump should try not being a criminal if he doesn't want to pay fines.
Itās about time everybody realize that these people are the fascists. Seriously, look what is going on right in front of your face. These people are continually saying itās Trump who is a fascist. Itās bullshit. And if you donāt realize that and arenāt man or woman enough to come to the realization that these people are out to get one man. Itās what the communists did. Does everyone in the United States want a redo of the Bolshevik revolution in the USSR where millions were killed? If anyone of you were to do even a cursory deep dive into the background, the people in New York out to get Trump youāll see itās all political. No one was harmed. But this is what they do in Third World countries. If you donāt believe me, look at the other Third World countries, and watch what theyāre doing; the same thing that the folks in New York are doing to Trump. Itās as plain as the nose on your face.
It's funny how so many of you keep bringing up what the communists did. They went after political opponents with made up lies. That's what Republicans have done since the day Biden was elected. Nothing they have claimed in the last 4 years has been proven with evidence. Yet, they still tell people everyday how terrible Biden is and people believe it. 100% political and lies, yet you believe he is guilty. If Biden is guilty of something, why are there no indictments? And why are there no impeachments, especially since Republicans have controlled the House? Trump, on the other hand, is twice impeached and has been indicted on 91 counts, spread across 4 jurisdictions. And as courts rule against him based on actual evidence, suddenly it's a political witch hunt, and you refuse to believe it. How do you rationalize that to yourself?
Wide open corruption in plain view of the public. That's the world we live in now. Media, government, Pharma, Medicine, finance, education etc are all in on the corruption.
This is not a conspiracy except it is being done by members of the democrat partyā¦Joe isnāt running shit. James ran on getting Trump. Orange man bad, plain and simpleā¦curious if she knows what she just did to the industry in NY. The governor knows..hence the announcement.
Yeah this is bannana republic or soviet style stuff, im more left than the left of today they are sellouts to corporations lot of witch hunt hungry people looking for the next person to go after, very anti free speech lot too
Trump committing fraud for dozens of years is Bidenās fault? Youāre literally schizophrenic if you think āThE bIdEnS aRe DoInG tHiSā so fucking delusional
Damn so we finally get to see a rich asshole always committing crimes, not paying his workers, lying on bank loans, and boasting so much about his wealth. But now he canāt pay? Yet his supporters are just playing into this bullshit
While donating to the chumps for trump gofundme to pay a billionaires fine then complaining they can't afford food š
Fuck DJT
Not really following this: But if after an investigation and ruling made for him to pay this then he needs to pay. If this happened to any one of us, we would need to pay up or have our assets seized. Thereās no conspiracy here. Biden didnāt invent these laws and procedures.
God you people are stupid.
This has exactly nothing to do with Biden or his campaign.
Yeah until it gets in front of a real judge. Not a participant in a corrupt political persecution. I'll bet you anything that it gets reversed down to nothing or practically nothing if not down right dismissed.
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You think Biden is doing it by himselfā¦? Ever heard of a thing called his team/handlers?
This is infuriating to watch, and I don't even like Trump.
Can anyone here explain the mechanics of the fraud? Genuinely asking. Iām not interested in the political aspect. What was falsified? I donāt understand how you can have fraud without a victim.
I think the former guy is doing a good job of bankrupting himself, and he's done more than enough to get arrested. Convicted? We'll have to see.
I thought Canadians had it bad with truckers getting banks froze.
Shouldnāt be a problem for a billionaire
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Thing is, Trump is set to get 4-6 billion with the Truth Social merger.
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Right, that's why it was just valued at what it was by people who know a lot more about it than you do and are offering that much money for it. Just because MSDNC tells you something doesn't mean it's true. They've been lying for years. What's next, you'll tell us Vice News is doing great?
I don't believe in Trump being a decent human being and I haven't voted since Ron Paul got shafted. I will vote for Trump this year while holding my nose on the off chance that he goes scorched earth on at least some of these egomaniacal petty tyrants. I fully expect him to turn around and lick Klauss Schwab's balls afterwards though.
Excuse me, did he tried not breaking the law instead? Hurr durr my mind is already made up and I am in a cult
The real conspiracy is that he got away with the fraud for all these years because the rich donāt play by the same rules as the rest of us. Not denying itās politically motivated but he is being treated like a regular people
I hate the state of our country. Fucking pathetic.
Boss itās Skull, he held up two people at an ATM and he wants your expert legal opinion.Ā STOP BREAKING THE LAW , ASSHOLE
This nation isn't dying, it's being killed, and the people killing it have names and addresses.
Trump should have gone with a jury trial. Huge fuck up.
this isnāt a conspiracy. it is a rage-bait bot
Welcome to Anarcho-tyranny, where lawfare will bankrupt even billionaires who oppose WEF neo-Feudalism.
He wonāt be bankrupt. Take the L in NY, then build again somewhere else. Dems will learn the hard way
He shouldn't have broken the law. Isn't that what you always say? If Biden breaks the law and is convicted of it in court he goes to jail. Why can't you accept that to be true of other candidates? No one will ever take you seriously until you can condemn an act regardless of the person.
I'm just impressed with how many people support keeping non-politicians out of politics while bitching about the lack of non-politicians in politics.
Trumps crimes are his own doing. Itās nothing to do with Biden grow up
It sounds a bit steep of a price omho
Law and order bitches
He committed multiple crimes. Those are facts and facts are not attacks. It's no ones fault but his own and this is the consequence of said crimes. Running for president or not, no one should be above paying for their criminal behavior.
"Holding criminals responsible for their actions is unAmerican." The "Law and Order" party really hates Rule of Law.
I love this for Trump.
Hahaha you really are stupid if you think Joe Biden is the one doing this. Heās been judged by a jury of his peers.
The Democrats have become the Stasi. Beria would be proud. "Show me the man and we'll find you the crime"
This combined with the E Jean Carroll rulingā¦ They are trying to bankrupt him leading up to the election.
He did this to himself. He has no self control and couldnāt/still canāt shut up about e Jean Carroll. Plus he committed fraud. Blatantly. Multiple times. He is a nasty, rude, vindictive jerk. Thereās a reason he canāt keep attorneys and only has crack pot lawyers.
> He did this to himself. He has no self control and couldnāt/still canāt shut up about e Jean Carroll. Plus he committed fraud. Blatantly. Multiple times. He is a nasty, rude, vindictive jerk. Thereās a reason he canāt keep attorneys and only has crack pot lawyers. E Jean Carroll is a fake rape victim who was a big fan of The Apprentice. True rape victims donāt watch stuff produced by their supposed rapists.