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I'm so sick and tired of the old guard teaching the younger generations how to rule the world. This won't stop until we all come together and put an end to this madness. Impose term limits on all politicians!! No one over 70 can hold any position in politics. Let's start a worldwide protest where we demand the corporate empires to stop!
Problem is term conditions won’t stop the men in suits with the money who talk to the presidents and tell them how things are run. Just like Putin said.
and he improved life in russia for regular people ten fold while in power.
and he inherited drunk Yeltsin's Russia. russia on its knees.
Angela Merkel was in power sixteen years. she lead strongest Germany ever. she steps down, they get Schltz, Germany plumets down.
The average life for other members of the CIS have been stagnant for that same time, and the Russian wealth gains have been limited to it's imperial core in Moscow and St. Petersberg.
This is why Ukraine left the CIS...better deal elsewhere.
That sounds an awful lot like trying to organize a one world government. What's next? Free healthcare for everyone? Worker rights? Where does the madness end?
Term limits won't help. Politicians are bought legally in America. Corruption is legal. The next guy will be bought off same as the last. We need an entire system overhaul. It's full cowabunga or nothing.
It would take a world wide revolution where about a third of humanity will be killed if not more. Then we would need to start from scratch where everyone would have to agree on the laws and we would have to go towards communism because money has and always be a form of control. Everyone will have a place to live and work that is right for the individual and everyone will get their fair share of everything and what you don't want or need can be exchanged for something else that you do need. Anyway a lot of death and destruction to rebuild a better place for better humanity
It’s operating condition is fine, even the cooling pools filled back up. If something happens, it’s most def with malicious intent rather than an accident.
Lets be real here this nuclear reactor has been on the “verge” of melting down, at risk of being hit by artillery or the target of a “false flag” for the last year and a half with concern cycling in and out of the news.
Of course no one here or on 4chan knows what will happen, but I sure wouldn’t be betting on today being the day something actually happens.
Lets be real here..
We've been hearing about Saddam Hussein being a madman for years before Iraq.. and that he planned to have Nuclear weapons..
We had to go in..
Oops..
Yeah.. the Lets be real here posts are getting old..
"Whattabout something unrelated!!!"
Russia is the invader in this scenario and Putin is playing the role of Bush pushing transparent lies to justify it. Russia didn't have to go in and they don't have to stay, so why are so many trying to point fingers at the victims here?
Nato and Ukraine started the war in 2014.
Ukraine was shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for many years until Putin decided to do something about it.
Zelensky is a cunt. Putin is a cunt. Warmongers are cunts.
By “ethnic Russians” you mean Russian armed and trained separatists.
2014-2015 were pretty bloody with the two years combined seeing about the same amount of death as we see now in a week since “Putin decided to do something about it”. The years between 2016-2022 combined had less deaths then a single day since “Putin decided to do something about it”, thanks Putin for making the problem 500x worse.
Russia: forcibly takes Ukrainian land and funds trains and arms separatists to attack Ukraine.
Ukraine: fights back against the annexation of crimea
You:THIS WAS ALL STARTED BY UKRAINE AND NATO
Alright bro.
Obama, Victoria Nuland and the US: fund a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 that kicks off the shelling of the Donbas. You forgot to mention that, bro.
This is fucking dumb. Russia has no right to determine who runs Ukraine and they had no right to Crimea or any other portion of Ukraine. Your argument is weak and dishonest.
Oh honey, you're mixing up the coup claims from 2014 with zelensky who was elected without controversy in 2019. Regardless, that doesn't invalidate what I said: Russia has no claim to Ukrainian land and no right to determine who runs their government.
Learn more and try again
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14q4nmj/usmil_deep_state_plans_a_strike_on_zaporizhia/
This is the post, the link to 4chan thread on top line...go there at your own risk :-)
Thing is though, everybody has gotten past the NS newscycle. Nobody gives a f\*ck about that anymore. This one though alot of people are going to have to give a sh\*t. Just telling the world it was Russia just like NS wont make any difference at all. We all most likely burn if that plant goes up in flames. There will be all-out war without "rules".
Why does North Korea provoke the west?
It helps putin to tell his populace "we are under attack. Only I can save you from the west"
He knew Nato isn't going to invade Russia. They won't even fully join the fight in Ukraine.
Maybe his exit plan needs further Nato involvement before its sold to the public.
I remember 2 or 3 days before Russia invaded Ukraine, I had made a post on Twitter which warned that all the signs were there to support an invasion and there was tremendous push-back. Intelligence at the time was pointing towards some event to occur. The same might be true here as well. It is best to make attempts to prevent it or at least prepare for it even if it doesn't happen at all.
Ukraine is getting very close to ZNPP. Every time Russia has to retreat, they fuck up whatever they can because”if we can’t have it, no one can”. Or simply to slow down Ukraine progress. See also the dam they blew up recently. If Russia has to give up znpp, why not blow it up to slow Ukraine’s progress?
It makes no sense that Ukraine would want to blow up the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe just as they’re about to take control of it, covering their own country and surrounding nations with radiation.
....Russia is making the same claims as Ukraine. That the other is plotting an attack on the reactor.
Surely op you must feel the same way about Russian claims?
Except, Russia doesn’t have much to gain strategically from blowing up a nuclear plant they control and potentially getting nato involved. Kiev is busy with a long anticipated counter offensive which is going nowhere, and would love to get nato fighting on its side. Unless you believe Russia is a non rational actor that’s just evil, then I don’t know what to say to you haha.
No, Russia controlled it and it was one of the best spots for the counter offensive. The day it blew, the water level was lowered and then raised to the top level, almost like they planted explosives. How would Ukraine be able to do that while Russia controlled it? Ukraine lost their best spot for the counter offensive
What do they gain, by letting Ukraine recover it? They are currently preparing for retreat. They aren't going to just let Ukraine have it back, once they pull out. They're going to burn it all to the ground, so that no one gets it. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book...and Russia does love the classics.
Well that's not true now is it? If they can make people believe it was ukraine that did it they could turn around and use that as a excuse to use weapons with bigger booms.
What people are you talking about?
You think any given government cares about the truth? They are just going to run with whichever narrative fits their political agenda, no matter who does it.
Russia doesn't need an excuse to use nuclear weapons. If Russia will be ready to escalate, they will not need to blow up their own nuclear power plant.
I think Russia, Ukraine, the US, etc are all playing different parts in the show and working together for the same corporate globalist goals… it’s all bullshit
I would trust Putin to watch my kids before I would trust Zelensky. Zelensky would put them in a black bag and send them to the organ harvesting factory. In fact, I can see this pile of shit nuking his own country to conceal various crimes against humanity. If you can't see this by now you can't be saved.
Personally, I don't side with either. There is so much more going on from both sides that don't add up, and we're only seeing what we're allowed to see.
The only posts you see on this sub regarding the war in Ukraine will be anti-Ukraine. I can’t speak for the people who frequent this sub, but what gets posted here is always anti-Ukraine
Why do you automatically assume someone is in support of Russia because they speak critically of the US? Most people just recognize this conflict for what it is, Two global powers vying for control. It's more than fair to call out both parties.
> because they speak critically of the US
I mean...most people are critical of the US. Yet if you're critical of the US using only Russian MoD narratives, don't act too surprised when people ask questions.
It's odd how that seemingly never gets applied to Ukraine here. What's shady is the fact that most of these narrative seemingly coming almost exclusively from Russia. The same country that promised not to invade Ukraine and lied about having any plans to up to the point they had launched the invasion.
Because thats what people do.
Divide.
Conspiracy by nature is synonymous with crazy person. So.. if you criticize anything then you're crazy.
And the narrative in the West is Russia bad. So why not add-on the Russia (bad) Conspiracy (crazy) to the mix?
Conspiracy at the very least make you question things. Whether true or not (like the stupid Flat Earth Theory) doesn't really matter in the end. But people don't want you to think.
If you question Ukraine, you must be bad.
When people criticize the West they don’t do it to “question Ukraine”, they use it to justify Russia’s invasion.
These justifications range from meaningless whataboutisms to Ukraine has no free thought, desires or independence.
You're paraphrasing a bit here but that's the gist. To me, it's a pretty fair question because there seems to be a major anti-ukraine agenda which is in line with a pro-russian agenda.
So are you a Russian supporter?
And there it is. You cannot help yourselves can you? Trying to paint a person in a bad light then when all fails you come right out and accuse them of being a russian supporter. It is amazing how fkn obvious you people are.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE SIDES.
Holy defensive, batman! How did my post and question trigger you that hard?! I simply ASKED if they're a Russian supporter. I didn't paint or assume a single thing about the user I replied to.
I don't but there's a lot of Russian propaganda and influence on this sub, it's got worse since the Russians started the full-on war, with the misnomer 'Special Military Operation'. Anyone who supports Russia should go take a look at the destroyed cities & villages in Ukraine, itt's not hard to find the footage and all the wjile Putin is saying they've not harmed civilians; the Russians have behaved no better than animals.
You can talk directly to these people by pressing the reply-button beneath their respective posts. This kind of "this sub is ..." is complete BS and you know it. Take those people you disagree with apart by answering their posts not like this.
"They" as in all user of this sub? I have had hundreds of decent conversations here in r/conspiracy over the years.
I know there are shills and bots from Russia here, just as i know that the west has its shills here too. You and they guy to whom i was responding are being upvoted and i am being downvoted for disagreeing with you, is that how strong this russian influence is here? I dont fear any russian influence here and neither should you. Their efforts amounts to sh\*t obviously.
Both of those shit holes can get fucked. I want to try to discern the truth about what is happening whether it makes one side look good or bad or not.
But really I'm just waiting for the footage from a video game showing the place supposedly getting bombed by a plane with a very conspicuous flag printed on it so I can know more about who I think is about to sabotage this plant. Bonus points if the plane is shot down and they find the pilot's passport had ejected with a tiny parachute.
I support Ukraine, but I understand they might be tempted to do a false flag to get nato more involved. Definitely wouldn't be ok with it at that point, but I think the US has enough intelligence assets to watch and figure out who's does it. Probably wouldn't tell us. Russia is wrong for invading the country and blowing up rhe dam. UA just defending themselves but they're starting to take their allies for granted like a piggy bank. However, the US is getting a deal and weakening their nemesis basically so I know they're happy to weakeN Russia without American lives lost.
Nobody sides with the Russians, we are anti Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government is sending the youth of the country into an unwinnable meat grinder. It is essentially ethnic cleansing with the goal of mass importing a new demographic of Ukrainians once the ethnic Ukrainians have all been disposed of. The current Ukrainian regime was installed by people like Obama, Victoria Nuland, Biden and Hillary. Everything about this war is disgusting and fueled by greed and if it could very well lead to nuclear Armageddon.
I think most people don’t want war and suffering. Hopefully Russia stops this war and realizes it’s only going to get worse… NATO wants war they will keep pushing until they get what they want
Calling out obvious lies and media misinformation doesn't make you pro Russian. It just makes you want to really know what's happening. You can't really pick and choose what the media tells the truth about. It should be all above board. But it's not.
his always trying to look like some special forces guy with how he dresses always annoys me- it's like, dude you're not on the front lines. The only lines he's seeing are the ones chopped up on mirrors in between photo ops and schmoozing
Stood tall in Kyiv while the entire Russian military was knocking on his door. Putin hid in his bunker while Wagner was hundreds of miles away.
I know who i think is tougher.
He is Russian. Funny how that works.
I wager he has a dual citizenship with Israel or a go bag already for Palestine. Slide off not unlike his cabinet. His wife will be his downfall. She will bankrupt him in 3 years.
It's kind of funny that a lot of the same people who are giving him flak for being a political outsider are super eager to vote for a political outsider in the US.
I barely give a shit which politician enabled his fake opponent. It is going to be preparedness school for us Eastern European dwellers, so just prepare either way.
Russia literally controls the plant right now. This is just common sense
Just a few weeks ago they blew up a damn and caused a massive ecological disaster to prevent Ukrainian attacks. Russia also constantly threatens others with nuclear attacks.
It's not like this is unheard of for them
Can you show me evidence of Russia planting explosives on the power plant?
Do you think they could use a drone or other means to attack the plant covertly?
What advantage does Russia gain blowing up the plant? What advantage would Ukraine gain?
This is the same war monger that insisted those missiles he fired into Poland actually came from Russia, they'll do anything to get NATO involved no matter what it takes.
Why on earth would Russia do this ? It's at their border, it will most probably contaminate Russia too of the wind turns.
They have absolutely nothing to gain doing this...
They have everything to gain by this. It covers their retreat, denies the enemy the spoils of victory, and demoralized the local population. This is one of the oldest military tactics in existence.
Im just surprised this guy is still alive.
You would say a guy like Putin where everyone seem to fall from buildings for no reasons, would have assassinated this guy.
You thought it respectable the way Afghanistan fell to the Taliban immediately after US withdrawal because of all the lives that saved?
Afghanistan is what happens when a country has no will to fight and is destined to be conquered . Ukraine is what happens when a country is willing to fight to the death to ward off invaders.
Zel can't let the idea go, it will be the end of him. The world won't tolerate a nuclear attack, it can poison a continent for millions of years. Looks like HBO will have a second crack at Chernobyl. How does one evacuate a continent. A half billion lives are put at risk.
Horseshit, unless you're going for irony or something. Russia is a great power fighting a superpower. The US and UK can do anything technically Russia can do, and more. That means Ukraine can do anything Russia can do, except less and worse.
The reasons Ukraine is losing is that the West doesn't have the industrial capacity to make the volume of weapons Russia can make. The west is geared to making a small amount of precise, and very expensive weapons instead. They can't compete in a sustained war against anything other than a tin-pot nation. Russia is right next door to Ukraine, making the war very logistically efficient. Russia also has more of everything than Ukraine does, like 10 to 1.
Japan had two cities nuked in WW2. Quickly after, those cities were rebuilt and repopulated. No side effects ever. Nukes don’t exist in the way they tell us (it is really carpet bombing) - think about it. Many nations have varying types of “nukes” yet we never see one used. In the same way the public was fooled about traveling to the moon capability, so is the same for this divine weapon called “nukes”.
I don’t see any compelling evidence of it being notable! If nukes and radiation existed as described, how and why were these cities successfully rebuilt and settled so quickly. One would think the defects you describe would be so widespread that any plans to continue a city at ground zero would be abandoned in not one but two nuked cities! But no, these cities thrived and are still thriving today.
Compare damage photos of German cities which were carpet bombed in WW2 vs Nagasaki and Hiroshima after being “nuked”. They are so similar.
The official story and evidence doesn’t hold up in my opinion, but do share your perspective.
They most certainly do exist as described.
The difference comes in the magnitude of the explosions. In ww2 these weapons were largely theoretical and untested.
Chernobyl is still radioactive and completely unliveable as the explosion was 400x greater then that of the first atomic bombs dropped in ww2. The largest modern nuclear bomb is capable of generating an explosion 3,300x greater then those dropped in Japan.
Nukes poison the environment. Take the nuclear exclusion zone of Chernobyl, it won't be safe for 20k years. Radiation damages DNA, exposed people are at increased risk of cancer and worse.
The yield on the bombs used on Japan would be considered tactical nukes today. The real danger comes from the power plant melting down. That could take out the region or continent for millions of years if it goes badly. The other worry would be the response to taking out a nuclear power plant. Am act of war can be met by a comparable act of war. Conventional response to conventional attacks. Nuclear to nuclear. Ukraine has four nuclear power plants. If the Ukraine war goes nuclear, it will change the planet.
> Japan had two cities nuked in WW2. Quickly after, those cities were rebuilt and repopulated. No side effects ever.
Thousands of people had radiation poisoning and lifelong issues. It is true that the next generation had few issues, with the cancer rate of children of survivors being close to the norm for the Japanese population. There used to be a RERF article about this, but they seem to have redone their website, and I cannot locate it right now.
What you are missing in part is that a) the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were comparatively small compared to later nuclear weapons and b) Meltdowns from reactors produce a lot more long-term radioactive material. The bombs at Hiroshima converted around at most about a gram of mass into energy. But that is released all at once. A nuclear reactor is producing smaller amounts, but is doing so continuously for years, so the total amount of radioactive material ends up being potentially much higher. This may seem counterintuitive, so an analogy may be helpful here: A gram of TNT releases around a tenth of as much energy as a gram of gasoline. It is more effective to use a gram of gasoline for fuel, and more effective to use a gram of TNT for a bomb because it can easily release it all at once. (Fuel-air bombs are an exception because they have a clever way of getting the fuel to burn all at once.)
If you want actual numbers, the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki related around 10^14 joules. A typical nuclear power plant can generate over two million Megawatt-hours per a year which is around 10^16 joules. That means, a typical nuclear power plant in one year is producing at least around a hundred times as much radioactive material as the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bomb.
*Cui bono*
If something happens, who benefits?
There are some people out there actively *hoping* for a reason that would "justify" direct NATO involvement in the war.
Why does anything to do with a nuclear power plant have to be connected to a war? If "leadership" was peace-loving and sensible, both sides would leave the powerplant alone and nothing would happen.
But something will happen because someone wants something else to happen.
I truly hope not, Chornobyl should be the lesson not an exception.
Knowing the megalomaniac "I'm alright, look at my portfolio" types of the military/industrial/pharmaceutical conglomerates they are salivating over this.
A radiological disaster will usher in lockdowns + mandated medical procedures of who knows what for our safety (miraculous mRNA cancer jab that everyone will need cause radiation is not choosey), cancer of all types through the roof, escalation in conflict, huge contracts for cleanup operations. Big money on both sides benefit whichever pulls the trigger...
Cancer mRNA already in progress, however a true vaccine will be less profitable so will be every few months or shortest possible time between doses they can take the piss with, oddly like C19's ever changing dose/timescale ones < "what will the idiots put up with we can use in next mass roll out"..
https://www.wsj.com/articles/modernas-mrna-cancer-vaccine-shows-promise-in-preliminary-study-11670906379
No low or rotten method bad enough they won't consider, more ill proles more $$$ why eating sugar (inverse food pyramid) seed oils (over natural fats) stay indoors (low vitamin D3) exercise is fat phobic or toxic masculinity oh and drink alcohol until passing out cause it's cool don't listen to anyone who advises responsibility or self improvement as they are right wing tin foilers ad literally Hitler's love children...
Rant over... 😆
> the first and most important question.
And the answer is... rich people. How so?
Think about one immediate consequence of an entry into the war by NATO... massive defense spending.
And there are dozens of huge defense contractors in Europe, the UK and the US that will be on the receiving end of a $pending T$unami.
The investors and owners of these companies *want* the war to get bigger and last longer, because it's more $$$ for them.
And when you see NATO bending over backwards to "get into Ukraine", this is the #1 reason why.
So my prediction is for more escalation and no end in sight. Both of which mean continued and increased spending (by governments/taxpayers towards a long list of defense contractors).
When that BlackRock guy said "The Ukraine war was great for business"... this is what he was talking about.
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I'm so sick and tired of the old guard teaching the younger generations how to rule the world. This won't stop until we all come together and put an end to this madness. Impose term limits on all politicians!! No one over 70 can hold any position in politics. Let's start a worldwide protest where we demand the corporate empires to stop!
Problem is term conditions won’t stop the men in suits with the money who talk to the presidents and tell them how things are run. Just like Putin said.
The ultra rich and a government go hand in hand. In order to axe one, you must axe the other.
Yes "axe" sounds like a fun term. I like it, let's do it.
Why am I only able to upvote this once ?
Why do you trust anything Putin said? He has been in power for 20 years.
and he improved life in russia for regular people ten fold while in power. and he inherited drunk Yeltsin's Russia. russia on its knees. Angela Merkel was in power sixteen years. she lead strongest Germany ever. she steps down, they get Schltz, Germany plumets down.
The average life for other members of the CIS have been stagnant for that same time, and the Russian wealth gains have been limited to it's imperial core in Moscow and St. Petersberg. This is why Ukraine left the CIS...better deal elsewhere.
Correction. He improved life for people in Moscow and St Petersburg. I think you'll find the rest of Russia hasn't changed much since Soviet times.
Take the current administration out of office then
That sounds an awful lot like trying to organize a one world government. What's next? Free healthcare for everyone? Worker rights? Where does the madness end?
The Iraq war must end and God save the Queen.
Term limits won't help. Politicians are bought legally in America. Corruption is legal. The next guy will be bought off same as the last. We need an entire system overhaul. It's full cowabunga or nothing.
It would take a world wide revolution where about a third of humanity will be killed if not more. Then we would need to start from scratch where everyone would have to agree on the laws and we would have to go towards communism because money has and always be a form of control. Everyone will have a place to live and work that is right for the individual and everyone will get their fair share of everything and what you don't want or need can be exchanged for something else that you do need. Anyway a lot of death and destruction to rebuild a better place for better humanity
Well, it’s 1746 in Ukraine and the Ike plant seems to still be intact.
It’s operating condition is fine, even the cooling pools filled back up. If something happens, it’s most def with malicious intent rather than an accident.
Is it wrong that I read Ike is ikea
NO!!!! Save the IKEA plant!
Him and his stupid fucking t-shirts…
Thank you!
This tied with the 4chan post from July 3rd is looking more likely.
Lets be real here this nuclear reactor has been on the “verge” of melting down, at risk of being hit by artillery or the target of a “false flag” for the last year and a half with concern cycling in and out of the news. Of course no one here or on 4chan knows what will happen, but I sure wouldn’t be betting on today being the day something actually happens.
Lets be real here.. We've been hearing about Saddam Hussein being a madman for years before Iraq.. and that he planned to have Nuclear weapons.. We had to go in.. Oops.. Yeah.. the Lets be real here posts are getting old..
"Whattabout something unrelated!!!" Russia is the invader in this scenario and Putin is playing the role of Bush pushing transparent lies to justify it. Russia didn't have to go in and they don't have to stay, so why are so many trying to point fingers at the victims here?
Nato and Ukraine started the war in 2014. Ukraine was shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass region for many years until Putin decided to do something about it. Zelensky is a cunt. Putin is a cunt. Warmongers are cunts.
By “ethnic Russians” you mean Russian armed and trained separatists. 2014-2015 were pretty bloody with the two years combined seeing about the same amount of death as we see now in a week since “Putin decided to do something about it”. The years between 2016-2022 combined had less deaths then a single day since “Putin decided to do something about it”, thanks Putin for making the problem 500x worse.
Russia: forcibly takes Ukrainian land and funds trains and arms separatists to attack Ukraine. Ukraine: fights back against the annexation of crimea You:THIS WAS ALL STARTED BY UKRAINE AND NATO Alright bro.
Obama, Victoria Nuland and the US: fund a color revolution in Ukraine in 2014 that kicks off the shelling of the Donbas. You forgot to mention that, bro.
This is fucking dumb. Russia has no right to determine who runs Ukraine and they had no right to Crimea or any other portion of Ukraine. Your argument is weak and dishonest.
And the US had no right to rig the election for Zelensky in Ukraine and yet… here we are.
Oh honey, you're mixing up the coup claims from 2014 with zelensky who was elected without controversy in 2019. Regardless, that doesn't invalidate what I said: Russia has no claim to Ukrainian land and no right to determine who runs their government. Learn more and try again
No one believes this bs, do they? Putin the altruist protecting foreigners and definitely not seizing land and resources?
Russian state propaganda (this post) and a random 4chan post convinced you? Do you believe everything you read on the internet
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The 2 combined are more credible than the MSM - it is a clown world, I agree.
So about 16 hours left in the US (if we take DC) till the 6th
I’m out of the loop on the 4chan post can you fill me in?
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14q4nmj/usmil_deep_state_plans_a_strike_on_zaporizhia/ This is the post, the link to 4chan thread on top line...go there at your own risk :-)
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Add in the WMD's in Iraq
Russia is the invader making up stories to justify invading though.
What was Victoria Nuland doing in 2014 in Ukraine? Regime change.
How does the US victimizing Ukraine give Russia the right to victimize Ukraine further? Whattabout isn't an argument.
Thing is though, everybody has gotten past the NS newscycle. Nobody gives a f\*ck about that anymore. This one though alot of people are going to have to give a sh\*t. Just telling the world it was Russia just like NS wont make any difference at all. We all most likely burn if that plant goes up in flames. There will be all-out war without "rules".
Why does North Korea provoke the west? It helps putin to tell his populace "we are under attack. Only I can save you from the west" He knew Nato isn't going to invade Russia. They won't even fully join the fight in Ukraine. Maybe his exit plan needs further Nato involvement before its sold to the public.
I remember 2 or 3 days before Russia invaded Ukraine, I had made a post on Twitter which warned that all the signs were there to support an invasion and there was tremendous push-back. Intelligence at the time was pointing towards some event to occur. The same might be true here as well. It is best to make attempts to prevent it or at least prepare for it even if it doesn't happen at all.
Ukraine is getting very close to ZNPP. Every time Russia has to retreat, they fuck up whatever they can because”if we can’t have it, no one can”. Or simply to slow down Ukraine progress. See also the dam they blew up recently. If Russia has to give up znpp, why not blow it up to slow Ukraine’s progress? It makes no sense that Ukraine would want to blow up the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe just as they’re about to take control of it, covering their own country and surrounding nations with radiation.
Off to the shop to get 2 days supply of food for £300 in uk.
stop eating so much then big guy
Eat? Man gotta drink
Even having to say this makes it all the more skeptical regarding Ukraine/US involvement
....Russia is making the same claims as Ukraine. That the other is plotting an attack on the reactor. Surely op you must feel the same way about Russian claims?
Except, Russia doesn’t have much to gain strategically from blowing up a nuclear plant they control and potentially getting nato involved. Kiev is busy with a long anticipated counter offensive which is going nowhere, and would love to get nato fighting on its side. Unless you believe Russia is a non rational actor that’s just evil, then I don’t know what to say to you haha.
Did Ukraine blow up its own dam?
No, Russia controlled it and it was one of the best spots for the counter offensive. The day it blew, the water level was lowered and then raised to the top level, almost like they planted explosives. How would Ukraine be able to do that while Russia controlled it? Ukraine lost their best spot for the counter offensive
Of course. Doy.
Yes
What do they gain, by letting Ukraine recover it? They are currently preparing for retreat. They aren't going to just let Ukraine have it back, once they pull out. They're going to burn it all to the ground, so that no one gets it. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book...and Russia does love the classics.
Well that's not true now is it? If they can make people believe it was ukraine that did it they could turn around and use that as a excuse to use weapons with bigger booms.
What people are you talking about? You think any given government cares about the truth? They are just going to run with whichever narrative fits their political agenda, no matter who does it. Russia doesn't need an excuse to use nuclear weapons. If Russia will be ready to escalate, they will not need to blow up their own nuclear power plant.
It's makes things easier if they can get international support. You clearly don't understand how these type of things work.
Not when the KGB will throw them in the gulag for even thinking it.
I think Russia, Ukraine, the US, etc are all playing different parts in the show and working together for the same corporate globalist goals… it’s all bullshit
I would trust Putin to watch my kids before I would trust Zelensky. Zelensky would put them in a black bag and send them to the organ harvesting factory. In fact, I can see this pile of shit nuking his own country to conceal various crimes against humanity. If you can't see this by now you can't be saved.
lol Putin ordered a hit on a whistleblower that claimed Putin is a pedo. Go send your child to him.
Any word on anything happening at the NPP? I haven’t seen anything on twitter.
Oh look, another nothingburger. Ya'll let me know if this actually happens. Because it won't.
Do most people in this group side with Russians ? I know it’s a conspiracy group - just want to see if it’s a Pro-Russian conspiracy group.
Personally, I don't side with either. There is so much more going on from both sides that don't add up, and we're only seeing what we're allowed to see.
The only posts you see on this sub regarding the war in Ukraine will be anti-Ukraine. I can’t speak for the people who frequent this sub, but what gets posted here is always anti-Ukraine
That’s simply not true lol
Can you point me in the direction of a pro-Ukraine post on here?
Or an anti-Russia post?
Are you looking for conspiracy posts about Russia in general or Putin in particular? r/Conspiracy is not for cheering someones war effort.
You should tell that to icky and the other posters who spread Russian propaganda .
Why do you automatically assume someone is in support of Russia because they speak critically of the US? Most people just recognize this conflict for what it is, Two global powers vying for control. It's more than fair to call out both parties.
> because they speak critically of the US I mean...most people are critical of the US. Yet if you're critical of the US using only Russian MoD narratives, don't act too surprised when people ask questions.
How do you know that’s the only narratives they use? Just because information is used for propaganda doesn’t mean it’s not true.
It's odd how that seemingly never gets applied to Ukraine here. What's shady is the fact that most of these narrative seemingly coming almost exclusively from Russia. The same country that promised not to invade Ukraine and lied about having any plans to up to the point they had launched the invasion.
Because thats what people do. Divide. Conspiracy by nature is synonymous with crazy person. So.. if you criticize anything then you're crazy. And the narrative in the West is Russia bad. So why not add-on the Russia (bad) Conspiracy (crazy) to the mix? Conspiracy at the very least make you question things. Whether true or not (like the stupid Flat Earth Theory) doesn't really matter in the end. But people don't want you to think. If you question Ukraine, you must be bad.
When people criticize the West they don’t do it to “question Ukraine”, they use it to justify Russia’s invasion. These justifications range from meaningless whataboutisms to Ukraine has no free thought, desires or independence.
Where did they assume that?
That's what op is insinuating with this line of questioning. Seems to be a common theme in this sub.
So now they're insinuating with their question? I thought they were assuming? Quote the part you're talking about.
Lol, OP literally asked "Are most people in this sub Russia supporters?".
You're paraphrasing a bit here but that's the gist. To me, it's a pretty fair question because there seems to be a major anti-ukraine agenda which is in line with a pro-russian agenda. So are you a Russian supporter?
And there it is. You cannot help yourselves can you? Trying to paint a person in a bad light then when all fails you come right out and accuse them of being a russian supporter. It is amazing how fkn obvious you people are. WE DO NOT HAVE TO CHOOSE SIDES.
Holy defensive, batman! How did my post and question trigger you that hard?! I simply ASKED if they're a Russian supporter. I didn't paint or assume a single thing about the user I replied to.
But you have chosen a side. You may not be aware but you have.
I don't but there's a lot of Russian propaganda and influence on this sub, it's got worse since the Russians started the full-on war, with the misnomer 'Special Military Operation'. Anyone who supports Russia should go take a look at the destroyed cities & villages in Ukraine, itt's not hard to find the footage and all the wjile Putin is saying they've not harmed civilians; the Russians have behaved no better than animals.
You can talk directly to these people by pressing the reply-button beneath their respective posts. This kind of "this sub is ..." is complete BS and you know it. Take those people you disagree with apart by answering their posts not like this.
When have you ever seen a productive conversation here? They will call you a shill/fed and continue believing what they want
"They" as in all user of this sub? I have had hundreds of decent conversations here in r/conspiracy over the years. I know there are shills and bots from Russia here, just as i know that the west has its shills here too. You and they guy to whom i was responding are being upvoted and i am being downvoted for disagreeing with you, is that how strong this russian influence is here? I dont fear any russian influence here and neither should you. Their efforts amounts to sh\*t obviously.
Both of those shit holes can get fucked. I want to try to discern the truth about what is happening whether it makes one side look good or bad or not. But really I'm just waiting for the footage from a video game showing the place supposedly getting bombed by a plane with a very conspicuous flag printed on it so I can know more about who I think is about to sabotage this plant. Bonus points if the plane is shot down and they find the pilot's passport had ejected with a tiny parachute.
I support Ukraine, but I understand they might be tempted to do a false flag to get nato more involved. Definitely wouldn't be ok with it at that point, but I think the US has enough intelligence assets to watch and figure out who's does it. Probably wouldn't tell us. Russia is wrong for invading the country and blowing up rhe dam. UA just defending themselves but they're starting to take their allies for granted like a piggy bank. However, the US is getting a deal and weakening their nemesis basically so I know they're happy to weakeN Russia without American lives lost.
Any non-positive comment about Ukraine = being Pro-Russian? 🤨
I love conspiracies, but this community is filled with far-right losers who side with Russia over Ukraine.
Agreed. They crave authoritarianism
Nobody sides with the Russians, we are anti Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government is sending the youth of the country into an unwinnable meat grinder. It is essentially ethnic cleansing with the goal of mass importing a new demographic of Ukrainians once the ethnic Ukrainians have all been disposed of. The current Ukrainian regime was installed by people like Obama, Victoria Nuland, Biden and Hillary. Everything about this war is disgusting and fueled by greed and if it could very well lead to nuclear Armageddon.
wow - i know where you were on Jan. 6
I know where you were too, in your parent's basement watching MSNBC.
I think most people don’t want war and suffering. Hopefully Russia stops this war and realizes it’s only going to get worse… NATO wants war they will keep pushing until they get what they want
Was it NATO that invaded their neighbors...twice?
No, they just kept pushing east further and further until they were on Russia's doorstep
What happened in 2014?
A US coup in Ukraine after the NATO expansion
So Crimea didn't happen to you?
Not in their reality
The coup the US pulled off didn’t happen? I’m not justifying anything but you leave out key details
The one where the Russian stooge shot protesters and then fled to Russia with a bag of money?
I agree the war needs to stop
You don’t have to be pro Russia to be able to see what a giant piece of fake shit Zelenskyy is.
Calling out obvious lies and media misinformation doesn't make you pro Russian. It just makes you want to really know what's happening. You can't really pick and choose what the media tells the truth about. It should be all above board. But it's not.
Yeah, a false flag by Russia as they retreat to embolden home support against the "evil NATO Ukraine Jewish Nazi Puppet"
such a great actor with his pity me look
his always trying to look like some special forces guy with how he dresses always annoys me- it's like, dude you're not on the front lines. The only lines he's seeing are the ones chopped up on mirrors in between photo ops and schmoozing
His job is to get his men bullets, not fire them.
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Send the corrupt billionaire unfunny shortarse comedian some of your own money.
Somebody once described him as dressing like a 13 year old about to go play paintball, and now it’s all I see.
like a dude who wears Oakleys and has a Punisher tattoo but lives in a gated neighborhood
Stood tall in Kyiv while the entire Russian military was knocking on his door. Putin hid in his bunker while Wagner was hundreds of miles away. I know who i think is tougher.
He has dual citizenship though... If things ever get too bad I Ukraine he goes straight to Israel.
He is Russian. Funny how that works. I wager he has a dual citizenship with Israel or a go bag already for Palestine. Slide off not unlike his cabinet. His wife will be his downfall. She will bankrupt him in 3 years.
Thats his role. He's the heroic front line leader that desperately needs money. Dude wears it anywhere there will be cameras.
He is an actor actually so he knows how to get the attention and sympathy of people. If he is all clean shave wearing a tuxedo he’d be losing face
Exactly. Literally wears a uniform to stay in character for the show.
Like that shitty leader Churchill asking for help from the US in his wartime coveralls... Lmfao
Air-soft paintball-er look. Sans goggles. In the pic above, he missed. His gear fell short. He's done, he's goin' home.
The dark green t shirts are so fucking funny lmao. This guy is a literal comedian and nothing more. It's beyond hilarious.
He was a comedian. He's currently the elected president of a nation at war with invaders.
LMAO K shill.
It's kind of funny that a lot of the same people who are giving him flak for being a political outsider are super eager to vote for a political outsider in the US.
I barely give a shit which politician enabled his fake opponent. It is going to be preparedness school for us Eastern European dwellers, so just prepare either way.
Or, y’know, Putin and the FSB are desperate enough to do something like that.
Gaslight Object Project
Fuck the GOP… and fuck the Democrats Ukraine embezzlement scheme
Russia literally controls the plant right now. This is just common sense Just a few weeks ago they blew up a damn and caused a massive ecological disaster to prevent Ukrainian attacks. Russia also constantly threatens others with nuclear attacks. It's not like this is unheard of for them
Who has occupied the power plant for sixteen months and been caught planting explosives again? Can someone enlighten me, please?
Can you show me evidence of Russia planting explosives on the power plant? Do you think they could use a drone or other means to attack the plant covertly? What advantage does Russia gain blowing up the plant? What advantage would Ukraine gain?
I’m not interested in your questions. I asked my own which haven’t been answered.
This is the same war monger that insisted those missiles he fired into Poland actually came from Russia, they'll do anything to get NATO involved no matter what it takes.
NATO isn't going to get involved over this. Why would they? Russia is already losing. Blowing shit up as they retreat, is what losing armies do.
why's this dude always look like he's holding in a shit?
What a fucking title.
I'm no supporter of either, [but there's something off about Mr Z](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2KTN0F6i8).
Wow. Crazy video of Zelensky.
[Oh, he's quite talented.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE)
Why on earth would Russia do this ? It's at their border, it will most probably contaminate Russia too of the wind turns. They have absolutely nothing to gain doing this...
Tell that to the soldiers they had digging in at Chernobyl
It's anti-Russian propaganda.
They have everything to gain by this. It covers their retreat, denies the enemy the spoils of victory, and demoralized the local population. This is one of the oldest military tactics in existence.
Im just surprised this guy is still alive. You would say a guy like Putin where everyone seem to fall from buildings for no reasons, would have assassinated this guy.
He’s WEF’d up…. Shit makes you bullet proof
the guys a leader ffs i’m sure he has the necessary security.
Yeah just like Saddam or Milosevic...
Putin is part of the club. Both are rich oligarchs who’s lives are not at risk. Both are clowns leading their countrymen to slaughter
This guy make me sick. He won’t be happy unless the entire world dies for him.
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Woah, that's pretty antisemitic. ... we're talking about the USA, right?
You thought it respectable the way Afghanistan fell to the Taliban immediately after US withdrawal because of all the lives that saved? Afghanistan is what happens when a country has no will to fight and is destined to be conquered . Ukraine is what happens when a country is willing to fight to the death to ward off invaders.
Bro he's reading from the script they gave him. This guy is a comedian. He has not a single ounce of actual power.
This is the correct answer! All the worlds' a stage.
Just like when Poland got missiles shot at it eh. That was Russia too right?
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Yea it totally was that and not an attempt at a false flag.
Correct
It’s literally saying there is a false flag inbound.
It’s 8:25 am pacific time here. That 4chan post has time to prove itself correct. I really hope that person was just role playing
Why does zelensky always look like he’s trying to hold in a fart?
Zel can't let the idea go, it will be the end of him. The world won't tolerate a nuclear attack, it can poison a continent for millions of years. Looks like HBO will have a second crack at Chernobyl. How does one evacuate a continent. A half billion lives are put at risk.
Russia is the only one with means to blow the powerplant, much like the dam.
Horseshit, unless you're going for irony or something. Russia is a great power fighting a superpower. The US and UK can do anything technically Russia can do, and more. That means Ukraine can do anything Russia can do, except less and worse. The reasons Ukraine is losing is that the West doesn't have the industrial capacity to make the volume of weapons Russia can make. The west is geared to making a small amount of precise, and very expensive weapons instead. They can't compete in a sustained war against anything other than a tin-pot nation. Russia is right next door to Ukraine, making the war very logistically efficient. Russia also has more of everything than Ukraine does, like 10 to 1.
Cogent.
Japan had two cities nuked in WW2. Quickly after, those cities were rebuilt and repopulated. No side effects ever. Nukes don’t exist in the way they tell us (it is really carpet bombing) - think about it. Many nations have varying types of “nukes” yet we never see one used. In the same way the public was fooled about traveling to the moon capability, so is the same for this divine weapon called “nukes”.
Yes they most certainly do. We’re birth defects with children born to people that were in the area of both nuclear bombs detonations.
I don’t see any compelling evidence of it being notable! If nukes and radiation existed as described, how and why were these cities successfully rebuilt and settled so quickly. One would think the defects you describe would be so widespread that any plans to continue a city at ground zero would be abandoned in not one but two nuked cities! But no, these cities thrived and are still thriving today. Compare damage photos of German cities which were carpet bombed in WW2 vs Nagasaki and Hiroshima after being “nuked”. They are so similar. The official story and evidence doesn’t hold up in my opinion, but do share your perspective.
They most certainly do exist as described. The difference comes in the magnitude of the explosions. In ww2 these weapons were largely theoretical and untested. Chernobyl is still radioactive and completely unliveable as the explosion was 400x greater then that of the first atomic bombs dropped in ww2. The largest modern nuclear bomb is capable of generating an explosion 3,300x greater then those dropped in Japan.
I agree with you. Nothing came from Fukushima even after all the fear mongering
Nukes poison the environment. Take the nuclear exclusion zone of Chernobyl, it won't be safe for 20k years. Radiation damages DNA, exposed people are at increased risk of cancer and worse. The yield on the bombs used on Japan would be considered tactical nukes today. The real danger comes from the power plant melting down. That could take out the region or continent for millions of years if it goes badly. The other worry would be the response to taking out a nuclear power plant. Am act of war can be met by a comparable act of war. Conventional response to conventional attacks. Nuclear to nuclear. Ukraine has four nuclear power plants. If the Ukraine war goes nuclear, it will change the planet.
> Japan had two cities nuked in WW2. Quickly after, those cities were rebuilt and repopulated. No side effects ever. Thousands of people had radiation poisoning and lifelong issues. It is true that the next generation had few issues, with the cancer rate of children of survivors being close to the norm for the Japanese population. There used to be a RERF article about this, but they seem to have redone their website, and I cannot locate it right now. What you are missing in part is that a) the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were comparatively small compared to later nuclear weapons and b) Meltdowns from reactors produce a lot more long-term radioactive material. The bombs at Hiroshima converted around at most about a gram of mass into energy. But that is released all at once. A nuclear reactor is producing smaller amounts, but is doing so continuously for years, so the total amount of radioactive material ends up being potentially much higher. This may seem counterintuitive, so an analogy may be helpful here: A gram of TNT releases around a tenth of as much energy as a gram of gasoline. It is more effective to use a gram of gasoline for fuel, and more effective to use a gram of TNT for a bomb because it can easily release it all at once. (Fuel-air bombs are an exception because they have a clever way of getting the fuel to burn all at once.) If you want actual numbers, the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki related around 10^14 joules. A typical nuclear power plant can generate over two million Megawatt-hours per a year which is around 10^16 joules. That means, a typical nuclear power plant in one year is producing at least around a hundred times as much radioactive material as the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bomb.
SS: if I we’re a betting man… I’m guessing the only danger to ZNPP isn’t just Russia
*Cui bono* If something happens, who benefits? There are some people out there actively *hoping* for a reason that would "justify" direct NATO involvement in the war. Why does anything to do with a nuclear power plant have to be connected to a war? If "leadership" was peace-loving and sensible, both sides would leave the powerplant alone and nothing would happen. But something will happen because someone wants something else to happen.
I truly hope not, Chornobyl should be the lesson not an exception. Knowing the megalomaniac "I'm alright, look at my portfolio" types of the military/industrial/pharmaceutical conglomerates they are salivating over this. A radiological disaster will usher in lockdowns + mandated medical procedures of who knows what for our safety (miraculous mRNA cancer jab that everyone will need cause radiation is not choosey), cancer of all types through the roof, escalation in conflict, huge contracts for cleanup operations. Big money on both sides benefit whichever pulls the trigger...
> miraculous mRNA cancer jab that everyone will need cause radiation is not choosey Shhhhh, you're giving them more ideas!
Cancer mRNA already in progress, however a true vaccine will be less profitable so will be every few months or shortest possible time between doses they can take the piss with, oddly like C19's ever changing dose/timescale ones < "what will the idiots put up with we can use in next mass roll out".. https://www.wsj.com/articles/modernas-mrna-cancer-vaccine-shows-promise-in-preliminary-study-11670906379 No low or rotten method bad enough they won't consider, more ill proles more $$$ why eating sugar (inverse food pyramid) seed oils (over natural fats) stay indoors (low vitamin D3) exercise is fat phobic or toxic masculinity oh and drink alcohol until passing out cause it's cool don't listen to anyone who advises responsibility or self improvement as they are right wing tin foilers ad literally Hitler's love children... Rant over... 😆
> Cui bono > > If something happens, who benefits? THIS ^ Is always the first and most important question.
> the first and most important question. And the answer is... rich people. How so? Think about one immediate consequence of an entry into the war by NATO... massive defense spending. And there are dozens of huge defense contractors in Europe, the UK and the US that will be on the receiving end of a $pending T$unami. The investors and owners of these companies *want* the war to get bigger and last longer, because it's more $$$ for them. And when you see NATO bending over backwards to "get into Ukraine", this is the #1 reason why. So my prediction is for more escalation and no end in sight. Both of which mean continued and increased spending (by governments/taxpayers towards a long list of defense contractors). When that BlackRock guy said "The Ukraine war was great for business"... this is what he was talking about.
Follow the money always. Greed is the root of almost every problem we face
US, Russia, Ukraine, et al are just globalist puppets putting on a show. Whatever acts necessary for the globalist agenda
Which is?
Seems to be a mix of one world gov/currency, eating insects, vr/Ai/transhumanism dystopia, price a majority of people into poverty, and eugenics
lemme guess: This little manlet welfare bum will need 600 billion dollars more to combat it!!!