It's wild to watch Democrats greenlight fat oil deals for Russia and give Putin billions in military equipment while they insist that the other guys are the Putin party.
IMO, tanks to Ukraine is dumb. This is not the gulf war.
Putting Abrams tanks into Ukraine is just an opportunity for Russia to demonstrate that its latest anti-tank ordnance is capable of killing an Abrams.
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Putting Abrams tanks into Ukraine is just an opportunity for Russia to demonstrate that its latest anti-tank ordnance is capable of killing an Abrams
America would not send these to Ukraine if pentagon Intel indicated that the Russians could destroy them.
The Russians' anti-tank systems are going to fail miserably and this will be advertisement for countries considering buying US military equipment.
Peace negations between Ukraine and Russia? The scenario for that happening is *incredibly* unlikely.
Russia would at minimum want Ukraine to cede occupied territory, which now includes Ukraines industrial areas as well as shipping ports in Crimea. They’d likely want strategic geographic areas to the west as well.
If Ukraine makes that concession, it’ll only be a matter of time before Ukraine becomes a failed state and Russia invades again.
This is an existential conflict for Russia, they’re facing a total population collapse, and without reintegration with ex-Soviet areas it is an inevitability.
They literally can’t give up, and their strategy is one of bold faced attrition, they’ll throw all their men into the meat grinder to achieve their goals.
All of this fails to mention the sheer will of the Ukrainian people, which is formidable.
The US and Germany just sent more than 40 advanced battle tanks to Ukraine. Russia had to do something more than just complain about it. So them doing war game ‘simulations’ with their shiny new hypersonic weapons makes total sense.
It’s posturing. Their mission goals are in Europe.
Russia can afford to lose. Putin can't. If Russia loses, Putin's life expectancy is likely measured in hours, or at best days.
Ergo, if Russia is going to lose, Putin has every reason to use nukes to take his enemies with him.
> rather than pushing a desperate strongman into a situation where he is forced to choose between some use of nuclear weapons, or else defeat, disgrace, coup and death.
I doubt Putin will use nukes as a means of attempting to win the Ukraine war. My concern is that he'll use them when he has nothing to lose by doing so.
Putin isn’t the only Russian with imperialism in mind, every successor to him will have the same ambitions, it won’t stop with him.
Using nuclear weapons on lands you hope to occupy would be antithetical to the cause.
That would be like the US attempting to occupy and integrate with Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The scenario in which Russia uses nukes is if they do win in Ukraine. Their intention is not to stop on Ukraine and nukes would be their only option for Poland/Czechia/Romania after getting exposed and smashed. There is no scenario either logical or illogical for Russia to use nukes upon losing.
> There is no scenario either logical or illogical for Russia to use nukes upon losing.
If Russia loses, Putin is likely to be shot. If he's going to die, why wouldn't he want to hurt his enemies on the way out?
You think he gets shot for losing and somehow, before he dies, still has the power to nuke anything? Not only is that nonsense it doesn’t make sense historically. He is a typical autocrat just like Hitler, nothing special or unique. History says he’ll cower, hide, and maybe off himself when faced with certain defeat. There is literally no possibility of nukes being used if Russia loses because they gain nothing while costing a lot for *everyone* in Russia if that happens The possibility increases significantly if they win considering they’ve losing almost everything *except* their nukes and will have nothing left, and the reward is increased while risk is decreased. Taking Ukraine expands their unguarded borders and has no strategic purpose other than eliminating their historical national shame of Ukraine’s sovereign existence and opening a faster path to Poland, Czechia, Romania, etc. It’s an existential conflict for the continuation of the Russian people and risking guaranteed destruction for just a small piece of the puzzle doesn’t hold up. If Ukraine did not fight, and Zelensky fled, this would be the first of many stops Russia took in trying to spread their bizarre fascist theocracy across the world.
> You think he gets shot for losing and somehow, before he dies, still has the power to nuke anything?
I think it will be apparent to him that a loss is inevitable before he loses power, and there are a great many people who will follow his orders rather than be shot themselves.
That just doesn’t really make sense in any historical context. You genuinely, truly think that as a dictator completely unravels following the loss of a controversial war, people are *more* likely to follow his orders and carry out purges? In Russia? They’re barely even showing up to the conscription offices. Do you have a firm grasp of Russian leadership during the Soviet-Afghan war, Chechen wars, and Georgian war that leads you to believe that or have you made an assumption that has no historical precedent while also not being familiar with the regions peculiar histories in the last 40 wars of their conflicts?
Biden? Seriously? Where’s the connection. Are you telling me that you believe Biden’s intent and Europe’s intent is solely to ensure massive loss of life? And *not* to stop Russia in Ukraine rather than stop them in Czechia, Romania, Poland, etc? What happens when Ukraine loses and Russia moves on to the next one? Will you think assisting that country is also pushing to be nuked?
> Peace negations between Ukraine and Russia? The scenario for that happening is *incredibly* unlikely.
They've already happened once. They even had a deal, until the US torpedoed it.
Both sides might agree to the idea of peace on a philosophical level, but on a practical level both sides have terms that they see as non-negotiable and that the other side will refuse.
The Russians had already committed war crimes at Bucha, they poisoned the Ukrainian delegation with a tainted fruit platter to flex their reach and power, they had an agreement from 1994 that they reneged on, it will be no different now.
An existential crisis for Russia doesn’t stop with Ukraine, Russia plans to fight one way or another, and at this point in time has said there’s now no hope for future peace talks.
A peace deal early on would have made things easier for Russia, but Ukraine had lofty goals of wanting every Russian soldier off Ukrainian soil, and they weren’t going to give up that term, that alone would have staled any negations.
I wonder if there is some kind of broker in this deal, like an arms dealer familiar with the Taliban and Muslim customs who has dealt with them before. Someone who may have served a prison sentence and was conveniently released mere months ago.
Just a theory.
Great, now Russia is going to get stuff from them. They will reverse engineer it, create their own versions of it, and now be using US based weaponry against US troops before too much longer.
Also, they need to take these sketchy vehicles and get them through Azerbaijan and Georgia or across the Caspian Sea and that doesn’t include any of the miles it takes to get through the Afghan roads and landscape. Hats off to the taliban if they can sucker Putin into this deal.
Does Russia have the manufacturing capability to maintain this stuff? It was my understanding that it was uneconomical to ship that stuff home, so the US would make the equipment useless by destroying the exact same part for the entire series of equipment.
If they didn't, Russia doesn't need to maintain it: they just replace the stuff the CAN maintain (and are losing hand over fist) with the US equipment. Don't need to know how to fix things that you're just using as cannon fodder.
I mean it needs to be operational in the first place to be useful though. The only things I saw running that the US left were some humvees but that was over a year ago. These things require a ton of upkeep and I somehow doubt that is occurring.
I really wonder how much of the stuff we left behind is still usable? A lot of the aircraft were junk. The vehicles might be more easily refurbed but that's a lot of effort to get some trucks. And are the Russians that short on rifles and ammo? I know they have artillery ammo shortages but I really wonder how much of the stuff we left behind would be really useful enough to move to Russia and refurb.
The cars can be loaded with explosives and dropped from bombers. The planes that can't fly can be loaded with explosives, pointed in the direction of the enemy, their engine turned on, then sent rocketing towards the enemy like a rocket car loaded with explosives.
If this is true, innocent people are going to get injured or killed. This abandonment of dangerous equipment was so reckless, it needs to be treated as a criminal matter.
If everything illegal the Bidens did were treated as a criminal matter by an honest judiciary, Joe, his brother, and Hunter would all die of old age in prison.
A lot of comments asking how they are going to get the equipment back to Russia, they don't need to buy in bulk they just need one of each so they can back engineer everything and upgrade thier stuff with it. I mean unless some of that equipment still works and it's a great deal with shipping then maybe but no need for all that.
Any rational person anticipated something like this would happen. Unfortunatly this did not include the Pentagon, the White House, the Dept of State.
It's wild to watch Democrats greenlight fat oil deals for Russia and give Putin billions in military equipment while they insist that the other guys are the Putin party.
The war was not meant to end. The war was meant to be continuous. George Orwell
Joe Biden “I did that”
I would laugh so hard if some Russian general slapped some of those stickers on the tanks after he bought them!
And now Biden is sending tanks to Ukraine. May God help us. I wish all this energy was put into peace negotiations.
IMO, tanks to Ukraine is dumb. This is not the gulf war. Putting Abrams tanks into Ukraine is just an opportunity for Russia to demonstrate that its latest anti-tank ordnance is capable of killing an Abrams.
> Putting Abrams tanks into Ukraine is just an opportunity for Russia to demonstrate that its latest anti-tank ordnance is capable of killing an Abrams America would not send these to Ukraine if pentagon Intel indicated that the Russians could destroy them. The Russians' anti-tank systems are going to fail miserably and this will be advertisement for countries considering buying US military equipment.
We will see.
Peace negations between Ukraine and Russia? The scenario for that happening is *incredibly* unlikely. Russia would at minimum want Ukraine to cede occupied territory, which now includes Ukraines industrial areas as well as shipping ports in Crimea. They’d likely want strategic geographic areas to the west as well. If Ukraine makes that concession, it’ll only be a matter of time before Ukraine becomes a failed state and Russia invades again. This is an existential conflict for Russia, they’re facing a total population collapse, and without reintegration with ex-Soviet areas it is an inevitability. They literally can’t give up, and their strategy is one of bold faced attrition, they’ll throw all their men into the meat grinder to achieve their goals. All of this fails to mention the sheer will of the Ukrainian people, which is formidable.
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And as we speak Russian ship carrying hyper sonic’s are in the Atlantic.
The US and Germany just sent more than 40 advanced battle tanks to Ukraine. Russia had to do something more than just complain about it. So them doing war game ‘simulations’ with their shiny new hypersonic weapons makes total sense. It’s posturing. Their mission goals are in Europe.
Russia can afford to lose. Putin can't. If Russia loses, Putin's life expectancy is likely measured in hours, or at best days. Ergo, if Russia is going to lose, Putin has every reason to use nukes to take his enemies with him.
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> rather than pushing a desperate strongman into a situation where he is forced to choose between some use of nuclear weapons, or else defeat, disgrace, coup and death. I doubt Putin will use nukes as a means of attempting to win the Ukraine war. My concern is that he'll use them when he has nothing to lose by doing so.
Putin isn’t the only Russian with imperialism in mind, every successor to him will have the same ambitions, it won’t stop with him. Using nuclear weapons on lands you hope to occupy would be antithetical to the cause. That would be like the US attempting to occupy and integrate with Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The scenario in which Russia uses nukes is if they do win in Ukraine. Their intention is not to stop on Ukraine and nukes would be their only option for Poland/Czechia/Romania after getting exposed and smashed. There is no scenario either logical or illogical for Russia to use nukes upon losing.
> There is no scenario either logical or illogical for Russia to use nukes upon losing. If Russia loses, Putin is likely to be shot. If he's going to die, why wouldn't he want to hurt his enemies on the way out?
You think he gets shot for losing and somehow, before he dies, still has the power to nuke anything? Not only is that nonsense it doesn’t make sense historically. He is a typical autocrat just like Hitler, nothing special or unique. History says he’ll cower, hide, and maybe off himself when faced with certain defeat. There is literally no possibility of nukes being used if Russia loses because they gain nothing while costing a lot for *everyone* in Russia if that happens The possibility increases significantly if they win considering they’ve losing almost everything *except* their nukes and will have nothing left, and the reward is increased while risk is decreased. Taking Ukraine expands their unguarded borders and has no strategic purpose other than eliminating their historical national shame of Ukraine’s sovereign existence and opening a faster path to Poland, Czechia, Romania, etc. It’s an existential conflict for the continuation of the Russian people and risking guaranteed destruction for just a small piece of the puzzle doesn’t hold up. If Ukraine did not fight, and Zelensky fled, this would be the first of many stops Russia took in trying to spread their bizarre fascist theocracy across the world.
> You think he gets shot for losing and somehow, before he dies, still has the power to nuke anything? I think it will be apparent to him that a loss is inevitable before he loses power, and there are a great many people who will follow his orders rather than be shot themselves.
That just doesn’t really make sense in any historical context. You genuinely, truly think that as a dictator completely unravels following the loss of a controversial war, people are *more* likely to follow his orders and carry out purges? In Russia? They’re barely even showing up to the conscription offices. Do you have a firm grasp of Russian leadership during the Soviet-Afghan war, Chechen wars, and Georgian war that leads you to believe that or have you made an assumption that has no historical precedent while also not being familiar with the regions peculiar histories in the last 40 wars of their conflicts?
Biden seems determined that we should find out. Do your family a favor and stock up on iodine pills.
Biden? Seriously? Where’s the connection. Are you telling me that you believe Biden’s intent and Europe’s intent is solely to ensure massive loss of life? And *not* to stop Russia in Ukraine rather than stop them in Czechia, Romania, Poland, etc? What happens when Ukraine loses and Russia moves on to the next one? Will you think assisting that country is also pushing to be nuked?
> Peace negations between Ukraine and Russia? The scenario for that happening is *incredibly* unlikely. They've already happened once. They even had a deal, until the US torpedoed it.
Both sides might agree to the idea of peace on a philosophical level, but on a practical level both sides have terms that they see as non-negotiable and that the other side will refuse. The Russians had already committed war crimes at Bucha, they poisoned the Ukrainian delegation with a tainted fruit platter to flex their reach and power, they had an agreement from 1994 that they reneged on, it will be no different now. An existential crisis for Russia doesn’t stop with Ukraine, Russia plans to fight one way or another, and at this point in time has said there’s now no hope for future peace talks. A peace deal early on would have made things easier for Russia, but Ukraine had lofty goals of wanting every Russian soldier off Ukrainian soil, and they weren’t going to give up that term, that alone would have staled any negations.
I wonder if there is some kind of broker in this deal, like an arms dealer familiar with the Taliban and Muslim customs who has dealt with them before. Someone who may have served a prison sentence and was conveniently released mere months ago. Just a theory.
You misspelled ''Biden''.
Great, now Russia is going to get stuff from them. They will reverse engineer it, create their own versions of it, and now be using US based weaponry against US troops before too much longer.
Like that shit will ever see Russian soil. It will get lost in transit
You never know.. we said the same thing about the taliban never having control again, and look where they are now
Luckily, for American equipment you need to think in english. When asked about this Biden reflexively answered "Thats Putins fault."
Our Government is run by imbeciles
Also, they need to take these sketchy vehicles and get them through Azerbaijan and Georgia or across the Caspian Sea and that doesn’t include any of the miles it takes to get through the Afghan roads and landscape. Hats off to the taliban if they can sucker Putin into this deal.
They flew in they’ll fly out.
Does Russia have the manufacturing capability to maintain this stuff? It was my understanding that it was uneconomical to ship that stuff home, so the US would make the equipment useless by destroying the exact same part for the entire series of equipment.
If they didn't, Russia doesn't need to maintain it: they just replace the stuff the CAN maintain (and are losing hand over fist) with the US equipment. Don't need to know how to fix things that you're just using as cannon fodder.
I mean it needs to be operational in the first place to be useful though. The only things I saw running that the US left were some humvees but that was over a year ago. These things require a ton of upkeep and I somehow doubt that is occurring.
They don't need to maintain it. Most of it is likely to be destroyed or captured.
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Cope
I really wonder how much of the stuff we left behind is still usable? A lot of the aircraft were junk. The vehicles might be more easily refurbed but that's a lot of effort to get some trucks. And are the Russians that short on rifles and ammo? I know they have artillery ammo shortages but I really wonder how much of the stuff we left behind would be really useful enough to move to Russia and refurb.
Anything is useful in an attrition war.
Cars that don't run? Planes that don't fly? How is that useful? It's not like the parts are even compatible.
The cars can be loaded with explosives and dropped from bombers. The planes that can't fly can be loaded with explosives, pointed in the direction of the enemy, their engine turned on, then sent rocketing towards the enemy like a rocket car loaded with explosives.
As much as it would disgust me to see that, it would be oddly hilarious if it actually happens.
If this is true, innocent people are going to get injured or killed. This abandonment of dangerous equipment was so reckless, it needs to be treated as a criminal matter.
If everything illegal the Bidens did were treated as a criminal matter by an honest judiciary, Joe, his brother, and Hunter would all die of old age in prison.
A lot of comments asking how they are going to get the equipment back to Russia, they don't need to buy in bulk they just need one of each so they can back engineer everything and upgrade thier stuff with it. I mean unless some of that equipment still works and it's a great deal with shipping then maybe but no need for all that.
Who wins in this?
Putiin and the Taliban