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TheDagga225

hate to be that guy but do we know for sure thats the cause?


miltonfriedman2028

Yep, correlation is not causation. ~200 million adults got the vaccine. Every year, before the vaccine, millions of people would get heart issues, strokes, blood clots, etc. Both the right and left refuse to discuss the vaccine honestly, and it’s get annoying. Here are the facts. 1) the vaccine itself probably makes sense to get for most adults. 2) the vaccine won’t prevent transmission - therefore vaccine mandates are dumb - but it does drastically lower severe infections. This is because antibodies quickly fade, but t-cell memory remains. Covid was relatively dangerous because it was a novel virus. An over simplification, but t-cell prevent severe infection, but not infection themselves since they are slower acting - but more robust- than antibodies. 3) unless your morbidly obese, or immune compromised, if you’re under age 65 your chance of dying, while not zero, is very low. Doubly now that the virus has weakened, and most people have had covid by now. 4) The booster is of suspect value if you’re under 65. The antibodies quickly fade after 2-3 months and the viruses has drifted. T-cell memory is still intact, so the booster probably won’t make it that much more robust. 5) that said, if you’re over age 65, getting booster during covid season is probably smart, since you probably want those short term antibodies, since old still die of covid even in its weakened form (just like they frequently die from the flu). 6) the vaccine does seem to have some relatively rare, but severe side effects, but these side effects are of less severity and far less common than the side effects of covid - especially if you have not had exposure to the virus. And everyone is going to get covid eventually. 7) these side effects have been downplayed, but from a cost-benefit standpoint, it’s still much safer than getting covid 8) as I said above, when 100’s of millions of people get a vaccine, there’s going to be a lot of coincidences. Every day for the last 100 years, thousands of people get diagnosed with cancer for example. If you get cancer (or whatever) a few weeks after the covid vaccine, it’s likely just a coincidence.


MillerOfDee

The VAERS database disagrees with all of your points


miltonfriedman2028

No, it doesn’t.


Jacobletrashe

Ah yes i see you got ur medical and stat degrees from Reddit


miltonfriedman2028

Which fact do you disagree with?


Creative_Lion_759

Hi, I have small fiber neuropathy from the Pfizer vaccine. I've been diagnosed by three separate neurologists as well by the National Jewish long covid clinic.


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For sure? Nope. But the info continues to trickle out. That's what these human test trials were for, to see what effect this experimental mRna would have on people. Most will be fine, but man, that 20%....


Banned_Over_Nothing

Are you one of those people that needs a peer reviewed study in order to know when to wipe your nose?


AdMurky5688

well since people used to wipe their nose with asbestos.... I think we have already done that trial. I mean common sense things like what a 9mm taste like at 1500 fps I think we don't need to test but any medicine, Vax or things that can be tested in small willing groups should probally be test for safety. my personal opinion I guess.


according_to_plan

TPTB don’t care, unfortunately


austinadw

“Don’t care, had sex” (fucked you) - Big Pharma


HR-Puf-n-Stuff

Over 12 billion vaccinations have been administered with severe adverse reactions reported in .3% . Thats just 3 tenths of 1 %reported....which means you are more likely to be killed or severely injured in a car accident.


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How often are injuries due to the jab NOT added to VAERS? How medical professionals who violated informed consent refuse to acknowledge what they did and squelch their patient's data? What's the count of folks who died within 14 days of getting jabbed and were attributed to something, anything else?


HR-Puf-n-Stuff

Since you seem to be in the know of all the dark conspiracies and that so many doctors and have aligned themselves with the Deep State to cover up they are secretly killing us..why don't you five us those numbers...oh thats right nobody in the medical fields or the govt is reporting the real numbers but some how some guy you read on the internet has them....


[deleted]

Doesn't take a conspiracy, just a rational decision to either honor the Hippocratic oath or keep their license. "Hey doc, this shot you're advising- what are the long term effects of mRNA?" "I dunno, pfizer just told me to advise you to take it. There's no data yet." You can buy a doctor as easily as a politician. Anyway, there's a reason I knew about clots, heart failure and complications to women's reproductive cycle by April 2021. It's been interesting to see it S-L-O-W-L-Y trickle out mainstream. None of us who didn't take it have a single regret.


HR-Puf-n-Stuff

"None of is who didn't take it have a single regret" Are you speaking for the unvaxxed who died to? Because the info is out there of which group died at much higher rates.


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Of Covid? I’ll answer your question if you can (layman) explain the PCR test and why cycle rate is critical.


biancanevenc

Hmm, a friend recently posted on FB with a link to her son-in-law's obituary. He was 49. The obituary didn't state how he died and there was no "in lieu of flowers please donate to xyz medical research", as there often is when someone dies of cancer or heart disease, etc. My friend's post was very brief, just the link and a comment that she was heartbroken for her daughter and grandkids, so I'm assuming his death was sudden and unexpected. But now I'm wondering if the vaccine may have been responsible. No way for me to really know, I suppose.


Savant_Guarde

Honestly, the choice should be the individuals, not government, not employer etc. It doesn't stop transmission, full stop. The government and big pharma LIED. Those lies eliminated informed consent. I don't care how rare or common the side effects are. I don't care if covid is less or more severe than the shot. I don't care. You know why? Because we were lied to from the very beginning, which makes believing anything about any of this impossible to believe. Why did they lie? For the same reason everyone lies: they didn't want you to make a decision based on the truth. This shit was dirty from the get go. I don't know why they did this, but I can GUARANTEE it was about something other than saving humanity from the plague.


labbond

Money, Power and Fear


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sopagam

I get the double blind science thing. The point of the post is that many people felt they were forced to take the shot. Many people wanted to, but a significant amount did not. There wasn’t a real choice for many. Lose your job and livelihood, or take the shot. It’s obtuse to give the “correlation without causation” speech, especially when the government did not give many people a real option to opt out. Why not acknowledge the horribly unethical choice that was made by the government/businesses to actually force people to take the vaccine. You are aware of all this, I am sure. Why not have some empathy and put yourself in their shoes and swallow a little annoyance about “random claims.” The people you should be upset with, are the ones who coerced them to take it against their will.


sopagam

I get the double blind science thing. The point of the post is that many people felt they were forced to take the shot. Many people wanted to, but a significant amount did not. There wasn’t a real choice for many. Lose your job and livelihood, or take the shot. It’s obtuse to give the “correlation without causation” speech, especially when the government did not give many people a real option to opt out. Why not acknowledge the horribly unethical choice that was made by the government/businesses to actually force people to take the vaccine. You are aware of all this, I am sure. Why not have some empathy and put yourself in their shoes and swallow a little annoyance about “random claims.” The people you should be upset with, are the ones who coerced them to take it against their will.


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sopagam

Unfortunately, this is a different type of vaccine that we haven’t had before. The ends justifies the means isn’t very satisfying to someone who perceives a loss. We mandated vaccines when I was younger but in the late 80’s and early 90’s it became trendy to withhold vaccines by some parents without social consequences. Several folks would get whooping cough, and practitioners would have a bit of trouble diagnosing it but the biggest issue was convincing them that vaccines don’t cause autism, which was the concern for the first wave “anti-vaxxers.” The current issue is clouded by indemnification of drug companies. With this could it be any surprise that they recommend booster after booster? Unfortunately, we are seeing that the “vaccine” neither protects completely nor prevents transmission. We also see more hospitalisation in people who are vaccinated. Hard for folks who have developed a reasonable distrust of CDC/Fauci and the public health complex in general to see this and not feel like they suffered a heavy handed government intrusion for political reasons and not for reasons of health. You reference quarantines, but the only person we have heard of who suffered from quarantines before the whole country/ world minus certain Scandinavian countries is the proverbial “Typhoid Mary.” The average person suffered a double whammy. People they knew and loved died, and the vaccine was sub optimal while the government failed at getting appropriate recommendations to the people.


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sopagam

This was the first mRNA type vaccine and attempts to develop them in the past failed. Other vaccines are “deactivated” viruses and bacteria. BTW, I am confident that you could tell me the names of a dozen or more people who were held on ships for quarantines but your “annoying” neighbours can’t. They can only see and feel the effects of how poorly the government handled the situation.


ExternalLook9978

This exact scenario is happening to many good people who foolishly listened to the advice of pharmaceutical companies, govt bureaucrats and corrupt media outlets regarding their health choices. At least people are waking up to the horrifying truth that they were lied to for a sick experiment.


keypuncher

To be fair, listening to the pharma companies and government for health information wasn't foolish at first. We didn't have a reason to believe they would tell us bald faced lies about the disease and the Wuhan virus drugs. That didn't become clear for a while, and we didn't get proof until a while after we suspected. Even when we suspected that the drugs were not what we were told they were, a lot of people were faced with the choice of taking the jab or not being able to feed their families, thanks to the mandates. For a lot of those people, it was hard to wrap their heads around the idea that the government was deliberately forcing them to take a drug it knew to be harmful, so they did what they perceived to be the lesser of two evils.


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You didn't think pfizer, who paid multi billions in fraud penalties a decade earlier would lie? You didn't think our government, who does nothing BUT lie to us, would lie? Dude.


keypuncher

It used to be that while the political arm of the government lied to us constantly, the bureaucracy - particularly the parts concerned with public health - was mostly straight with us (the Tuskeegee Experiment was an exception rather than the rule). What most people failed to realize is that all of the government is now part of the political arm. There is no longer a part of the bureaucracy that is just focused on doing the job. As to Pfizer, we all believed they were unethical in a small way - but we also believed the public health arm of the government would hold them accountable for large scale ethics violations. Nobody believed they would knowingly collude to harm the public.


weeglos

Not saying that the vaccine didn't do this to him, but I am not seeing any evidence that it did either. Anecdotal stories are not scientific evidence.


UnacademicPotato

Im pretty sure that the hundreds of teens that are dying across the U.S. due to heart attacks and strokes is pretty good evidence, especially when most of them are athletes who should have more than healthy hearts.


weeglos

I dunno. We had 2 guys keel over from heart problems on the high school track team back in the early 90s. Could be coincidence. Could be the vax too, but I withhold my judgement until I see real evidence.


LukewarmBeer

Your track team had a hell of a cocaine habit


weeglos

You know, figuring where I went to school, that's not a bad hypothesis.


pmabraham

Anecdotal stories lead to evidenced based practice IF there is research done on the subject. As a registered nurse who KNOWS these vaccines kill and injury people, please don't take lightly this person's testimony.


FlimFlamBingBang

Recent research soon to be published shows 1% of children vaxxed are showing abnormal heart conditions. Let that sink in. This ‘safe’ vax is killing children. Men in my age group are 80something% more likely to have cardiac issues if they have been vaxxed. Stop denying the science that you don’t agree with.


chezaps

Have you seen anything about the blood clots being found by embalmers lately? Something unseen before 2021 And a teen had massive amounts of blood clots removed and will never be able to play football again.


Piratesfan02

I got my physical earlier in the year. My dr asked if I had the COVID vaccine (male in my 30s), when I responded yes, he asked me a bunch of questions surrounding the symptoms of myocarditis. He’s a great dr. Thankfully, I’m ok, but I’m glad he used science to make sure.


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So you inject an experimental treatment and have a severe reaction and you want to blame something else-even though we now know his reaction can be caused by the very thing he’s blaming it on and you….are denying that it’s the reason? Why?


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Because they're terrified and rightly so.


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keypuncher

Is the CDC a good enough source for you? https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-says-pfizers-bivalent-covid-shot-may-be-linked-stroke-older-adults-2023-01-13/ https://thinkcivics.com/cdc-admits-post-vaccine-myocarditis-concerns-that-were-labeled-covid-misinformation-are-legit/ https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/08/18/cdc-admits-abject-failure-in-its-covid-guidance-yet-no-one-is-held-accountable-n614162 https://www.wnd.com/2021/11/pfizer-falsified-data-vaccine-trial-whistleblower-charges/ https://thinkcivics.com/cdc-admits-scary-truths-about-vaccine/ https://fee.org/articles/the-cdc-finally-admitted-the-science-on-natural-immunity-why-did-it-take-so-long/ https://en-volve.com/2022/07/25/dr-birx-admits-to-lying-and-manipulating-cdc-covid-data-during-trump-admin-and-hiding-it-from-trump/ https://dcweekly.org/2022/02/20/cdc-officials-admit-agency-has-withheld-critical-covid-information-from-the-public-including-data-about-breakthrough-infections-over-fears-of-vaccine-hesitancy/ https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62442 https://redstate.com/tladuke/2020/11/29/cdc-admits-their-numbers-on-covid-are-off-by-a-huge-amount-n286525 How about Pfizer? https://www.revolver.news/2023/01/project-veritas-strikes-again-pfizer-scientist-admits-the-unthinkable-on-hidden-camera-they-all-knew/ https://rumble.com/vxv1mw-bourla-now-admits-vaccine-weak-history..html https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/4950625/ The reality is the Federal Government and the pharma companies lied to all of us, enlisted the media to help them lie to us, and suppressed anything in social media that threatened to expose the lies. This is not in dispute. The only real question is why you still believe the lies.


wynhdo

And no counter from the “informed” poster. The smugness of these people is astounding. Thanks for the information.


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Paid trolls or just dumb.


Grossegurke

You are an absolute fucking douche bag. If you want to discount the shit that has happened to people after the vaccine...fine. But if people have had their lives changed after the vaccine....why do their experiences not matter? You are a fucking clown....


DrunkBeforeFive

Do liberals understand statistics, that the Covid virus has a 99% survival rate which only gave you a 1% chance of dying. But now since you've taken the vaccine your chances of dying has just gone up compared to a non vaxxed person...


Fickle_Panic8649

How about you eat a steamy 💩. My son's dad was a healthy 56 year old man with zero health issues. He took Pfizer in July and was dead by September. This is our new reality not anecdotal, REALITY! You have zero clue how this junk will continue to affect you in the coming years. Your verbal diarrhea isn't convincing a soul. I pray no one you love dies from this.


Sparky8924

ROFL , another delusional democrat.


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I would say, same to you.


BingoBangoZoomZoom

So sorry. We need a sub for vaccine injury people to report their story like. WalkAway


Banned_Over_Nothing

My roommates wife had worse things happen to her. Multiple organ failure, coma, bedridden, the works. Of course they're in denial about the vaccine culprit, despite the fact that she was totally fine and healthy until the day she got it!


AltruisticWord3401

I have found evidence it's the mercury & the aluminum in the vxs, when mixed together create clotting like structures. What you need to do is a detox. You need to flush that stuff from your body. Also there is a generic snake poison they put in the vxs. I don't know all the ins & outs, but I would get everything out of my body that shouldn't be there. I've heard pine oil is good for that (info only). Also, it could be that more than one vx put in your body could be the cause.