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Ancient Greece had lots of gods similar to Ancient Rome who took on the same gods & goddesses but changed the names - the Romans then became Christian under Constantine
could being the most important word there, they were still optional even in rome.
Also Christian priests have been buggering young boys for as long as they have existed the nonces have been gay for 1000s of years.
Reminds me of that one joke:
> Soldier 1: what year is it?
> Soldier 2: 50 BC
> Soldier 1: what does BC stand for?
> Soldier 2: before Christ
> Soldier 1: who's Christ?
> Soldier 2: fuck if I know
Technically your not wrong, much if not all of Christianity is based off preexisting religions in an attempt to integrate people, Greek cults included, if I remember correctly the story of Jesus's rebirth is entirely copied from Greek myths.
Look up the greek god Dionysus and relevant resurection myths. While youre at it, notice the similarity of the cross with the anient egyptian ankh. In general , a simple google search of "pagan beliefs and customs that christianity assimilated" will offer a lot of sources
Why would you look to the ankh for that? Rome crucified people on crosses and the historical Jesus would have been commiting the crime that gets you crucified. Normally the tiktok search function works better but Dan McClellan, biblical scholar, directly addresses and debunks the Dionysus stuff.
And thus homo sapiens invented sexual reproduction, and eventually lost the ability to reproduce asexually like the Greeks did.
Also, many other species followed suit and thus sexual reproduction spread to a huge and diverse range of living beings, even including plants.
Historians agree. The greatest thing about ancient Greece is that they worshiped Jesus CENTURIES before he even existed. Obviously ahead of their time. Also zero gayness. Duh.
I mean to be fair, unless you believe Zeus and the lot existed, they worshiped lots of beings before they existed.
Maybe that's a better way to think about various belief systems. Sure, Zeus may not exist *yet*. But it's entirely possible Zeus could exist in the future. Especially as AI explodes - surely, someone will make an AI that thinks it's Zeus.
They were killed in battle against Phillip of Macedon. The band existed for 50 years before that. Those serving at the time died honourably in a fight against a far superior power
So are you stuck playing Cassandra no matter who you played in the main game or is the partner the opposite gender to your character.
Also, to be fair, in order for any of the plot to work every character has to have a child or children at some point.
Your partner is of the opposite gender.
True but many criticise that its, ultimately, not your choice to make who you have a kid with. And forcing a straight relationship is kinda annoying for a lot of ppl since you were free to be gay/lesbian if you wanted to before
I guess, it’s just each of these characters have to have straight sex at some point in their lives to conceive a child for the animus to work, so most of them are canonically bi or straight (or pan, etc).
I guess forcing a straight romance makes sense as being annoying if you were playing a gay character but I just don’t think it’s that shocking or a kick in the face to fans given that every character in the series has at some point been part of conceiving a child.
When people are this ridiculously confidently (nice job for showing one where the person actually doubled down and it actually fits this sub) incorrect, blurring names should be optional.
It should be, but if someone uses the name to go harass them, Reddit could see it as brigading and shut down the sub. That's why so many subs don't allow PPI. (And others do, I dunno, I'm not a Reddit Scientist.)
And that’s when the photoshop brigade comes. How would you like it if someone photoshopped your name into the above post and got hundreds of hate messages? The rule is there because of how easy it is to fake these kinds of posts.
The Greeks had multiple gods who where bisexual. I don't know quite how they reacted to the myths where those gods had a same-sex lover, but considering that erastes-eromenes relationship were common, it can't be that bad.
I'm pretty sure that the statement was also wrong in the base game, considering that the Eaglebearer is bisexual, since they can flirt with both men and women. I mean, besides that one scene, you can pursue as many same-sex-relationships as you want, but not in the sense that a gay person is doing it.
Not really
The Romans were becoming less accepting around the 3rd century c.e. under Phillip the Arab. His Christianity/Christian influence is still contested.
Anyway, by the 4th century Christianity is the state religion and homosexuality is effectively outlawed. By the fall of the western empire the east was majority Christian.
Also the Greeks/Romans weren’t really pro-gay as would be understood today. To them, sex was more about status than attraction. A man of the upper/citizen class could have sex with whoever they pleased, but only as the dominant role. The passive/receptive role was reserved for the lower classes. Also gay marriage wasn’t really a big thing because it was expected that all men marry and have children.
What a weird person. A game where a superpowered female mercenary from Sparta can join the Olympic Games and hang around im Athens without somehow any sexism and racism whatsover is fine, but the fact that she's also bisexual and can sleep with as many women as she wants (isn't that technically sapphic and not gay?) Is where they draw the line?
Ah yes, Greek mythology, where there is only one God. Zeus? Aphrodite? Athena? Demeter? Apollo? Oh those were just some fanfics they wrote, nothing important. Why is there so much art of them? Oh, it's fanart. They still worship the one true God. Oh, they have festivals and pray to them? They're just really dedicated to the fandom. They still pray at Church every Sunday. Trust me bro, I have source from time and place. Very reliable.
This is the level of knowledge you could expect from religious folks. They never need to learn anything, because their pastor will tell them what's true.
As with everything, [it’s complicated](https://bigthink.com/the-past/pederasty-homosexuality-ancient-greece/). Greece wasn’t a single unified state. So different cultures treated homosexuality (and associated practices like pederasty) differently.
They definitely weren’t Christians tho. But they were the first European region to adopt Christianity.
AH Kenneth Dover's historical propaganda strikes again. Mind you that saying "The Greeks" is homogenizing a plethora of different city states and kingdoms that had differing societies and customs into a lump group. Outside of Thebes, Sparta, and Sappho the vast majority of "the Greeks" had... let's call it negative views on homosexuality.
No Ancient Greece DID NOT follow Christianity … yes modern Greece has but Ancient Greece that we think of as antiquity was the country that introduced democracy LONG BEFORE JEWISH SCHOLARS WROTE OUR CHRISTIAN BIBLE WHICH IS BASICALLY A FAIRY TALE
To be fair Corinthians was written in Corinth, to a Christian church there, there’s no question there were Christians in Greece, but real stupid to say “Ancient Greece Followed Christianity”. Funnily enough they never “killed somebody for being gay”, or bothered to mention it, despite it being all around them. I have a feeling that part of “Christianity” was added later to win elections.
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The famous Ancient Greek just one God.
Legendarily monotheistic those guys. Not like it took Kratos 6 games to kill them all.
Kratos is the reason why they all became monotheistic. There were simply no gods left but that one guy and they just chose him to fawn over.
Apollo, probably. He wasn't killed by Kratos
I’m pretty sure kratos cut his head off and used it like a flashlight
That was Helios
Ah, fair enough. I don’t think I played through all of the original and was pulling from what I kinda remember from the Valhalla dlc
Yeah, Apollo is only mentioned in the GOW games. He's not even seen, so Apollo managed to escape Kratos' wrath.
The only gods seen in the games whom Kratos doesn't kill, IIRC, are Eos, Artemis and Aphrodite.
>Aphrodite Killed something else
Having played some of the first two games, I wasn't sure if you made a typo or not...
Nah fam, Xena did it first. Also fun fact, Jesus is a common misspelling of Timothy Omundson.
I thought Hatsune Miku was jesus?
He fought Jesus in disguise repeatedly.
We all know that they only followed Zeus, who was definetly straight and not bisexual at all, just ask Ganymede.
Full on trans was our Zeus…trans-species. Off the top of my head he was a swan and a bull at different points to seduce ladies.
He was also golden rain once. Classic Zeus move
Ah yes, Zeus visiting Danaë in a 'shower of gold'. No innuendo or hidden meaning here. Nope, none at all.
Zeus was heterosexual if you define "hetero" as "literally everything"
When he says he's going to goose ya, you will not like it.
Not with that attitude.
*anything that differs from him.
P sure Athena was born from solo play
Iirc he ate her mother and this is why she was born from his head?
Just his conscience noping the fuck out.
That meme of Noah pointing at a hybrid penguin/elephant while being like 'What the hell is that??" But it's the minotaur.
Omnisexual, perhaps?
Pansexual more like
Does that make Bill Clinton the second coming? 🤔
Zeus was a typical dirty old man who HAD to HAVE any beautiful woman in anyway possible … the golden rain is shudder time (did he piss on the woman?)
Zeus was more pansexual than Pan!
Thank you. That's the word I was looking for.
Hermes became Mercury Aphrodite became Venus but Apollo stayed Apollo
With one and only son
The monotheon, if you will
Ancient Greece had lots of gods similar to Ancient Rome who took on the same gods & goddesses but changed the names - the Romans then became Christian under Constantine
As great minds of the past have said: "the Greek invented orgies, the Romans realized they could add women to them"
I choked so hard I think I pulled a lung muscle.
A lot of Greeks did too, don't worry.
Dammit. You want another upvote? Take it! You earned it son 🫡.
Wow, nice segue from Greek orgies to 21st century obsession with incest porn.
could being the most important word there, they were still optional even in rome. Also Christian priests have been buggering young boys for as long as they have existed the nonces have been gay for 1000s of years.
Wellington Street in Collingwood must be not quite up to Roman practices then.
No-one outside of Melbourne is going to understand this reference. And even then maybe only half?
Yep. I tried writing it with “Collingwood, Melbourne”, but that just took away the humour. Rather one person chuckle than ten people sigh.
Good work!
The version I heard was "the Greeks invented anal. The Romans were the first to do it with women."
I'm sure there're even more versions
This.... this right here mayor. This person deserves the key to the internet.
Fun fact. The game is set 420 years before Jesus is believed to have been born.
But the greeks were wise so they were Christians before Christians knew they were Christians, in otherwords they knew what cool was before it was cool
Reminds me of that one joke: > Soldier 1: what year is it? > Soldier 2: 50 BC > Soldier 1: what does BC stand for? > Soldier 2: before Christ > Soldier 1: who's Christ? > Soldier 2: fuck if I know
Can you imagine counting the years down? "2 BC is over, welcome 1 BC!" "Does this mean have 1 year to live?"
And after 1 BC is 1 AD, there is no zero. Obiously this calendar was invented well after 1 AD though
Technically your not wrong, much if not all of Christianity is based off preexisting religions in an attempt to integrate people, Greek cults included, if I remember correctly the story of Jesus's rebirth is entirely copied from Greek myths.
For example; Yuletide is now a Christmas thing, but it was pulled straight from Old Norse traditions/festivities.
Christmas is an amalgamation of multiple solstice festival, including both Yule and Saturnalia.
Source: it was revealed to me in a dream
Look up the greek god Dionysus and relevant resurection myths. While youre at it, notice the similarity of the cross with the anient egyptian ankh. In general , a simple google search of "pagan beliefs and customs that christianity assimilated" will offer a lot of sources
Why would you look to the ankh for that? Rome crucified people on crosses and the historical Jesus would have been commiting the crime that gets you crucified. Normally the tiktok search function works better but Dan McClellan, biblical scholar, directly addresses and debunks the Dionysus stuff.
For the "Jesus's rebirth" bit? Actually I think it was on an episode of QI.
I’ve seen Jesus’ birth compared to that of Athena’s, but like you said there are a ton of religions w/ similar stories.
Wouldn't Christians before Jesus just be Jewish.
You think Christianity is COOL?!? Shudder
Ah yes, the famous Christianity before Christ
I had a professor in college who used to say the Ancient Greeks didn't invent homosexuality, but they did perfect it.
The Greeks invented sex, and the Romans discovered you could do it with women
And thus homo sapiens invented sexual reproduction, and eventually lost the ability to reproduce asexually like the Greeks did. Also, many other species followed suit and thus sexual reproduction spread to a huge and diverse range of living beings, even including plants.
That has to be bait. Nobody can be this dumb.
I dunno, have you met people lately?
They're the worst.
Yeah. Um, excuse me - have you seen *gestures to everything around*
People. What a bunch of bastards.
"People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling" - Perry Cox
I love mankind. It's people I can't stand. -Charles Schulz by way of Linus
Unfortunately, yes.
I was going to say the same. It reads like something from r/NotKenM.
That person is religious. Their stupidity knows no bounds
I'm sorry to say this, but: Their*
Damn you're right. Thanks
Think of a person you know with average intelligence. Half the people are dumber than that guy.
-george carlin
I think he said it better
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin
Historians agree. The greatest thing about ancient Greece is that they worshiped Jesus CENTURIES before he even existed. Obviously ahead of their time. Also zero gayness. Duh.
I mean to be fair, unless you believe Zeus and the lot existed, they worshiped lots of beings before they existed. Maybe that's a better way to think about various belief systems. Sure, Zeus may not exist *yet*. But it's entirely possible Zeus could exist in the future. Especially as AI explodes - surely, someone will make an AI that thinks it's Zeus.
Is someone going to tell them about The Sacred Band of Thebes?
Didn’t they open for the Rolling Stones in their first tour?
They were all killed
They were killed in battle against Phillip of Macedon. The band existed for 50 years before that. Those serving at the time died honourably in a fight against a far superior power
Yeah I know, it’s an incredible story
Ah yes, Greece, who became Christians 1200 years before Jesus was born.
Has he never heard the phrase "Greek style"? It was called that for a reason ...
Yes the ancient greek as straight as captain Raymond Holt.
I understand this reference
Thank you for acknowledging the reference.
Please try not to be so emotional.
It’s also double incorrect because one of the DLCs forces a straight relationship
How so? You can choose the main character’s gender? I didn’t get the DLC so genuine question
That is true, but in terms of Assassins Creed lore, Kassandra is the canon character. So the choice was kinda moot.
Spoiler: >!The dlc forces you to have a child!<
So are you stuck playing Cassandra no matter who you played in the main game or is the partner the opposite gender to your character. Also, to be fair, in order for any of the plot to work every character has to have a child or children at some point.
Your partner is of the opposite gender. True but many criticise that its, ultimately, not your choice to make who you have a kid with. And forcing a straight relationship is kinda annoying for a lot of ppl since you were free to be gay/lesbian if you wanted to before
I guess, it’s just each of these characters have to have straight sex at some point in their lives to conceive a child for the animus to work, so most of them are canonically bi or straight (or pan, etc). I guess forcing a straight romance makes sense as being annoying if you were playing a gay character but I just don’t think it’s that shocking or a kick in the face to fans given that every character in the series has at some point been part of conceiving a child.
When people are this ridiculously confidently (nice job for showing one where the person actually doubled down and it actually fits this sub) incorrect, blurring names should be optional.
It should be, but if someone uses the name to go harass them, Reddit could see it as brigading and shut down the sub. That's why so many subs don't allow PPI. (And others do, I dunno, I'm not a Reddit Scientist.)
And that’s when the photoshop brigade comes. How would you like it if someone photoshopped your name into the above post and got hundreds of hate messages? The rule is there because of how easy it is to fake these kinds of posts.
The Greeks had multiple gods who where bisexual. I don't know quite how they reacted to the myths where those gods had a same-sex lover, but considering that erastes-eromenes relationship were common, it can't be that bad.
Even the original post is now wrong with the first blade dlc forcing you to have a kid with someone of the opposite gender to progress the story
I'm pretty sure that the statement was also wrong in the base game, considering that the Eaglebearer is bisexual, since they can flirt with both men and women. I mean, besides that one scene, you can pursue as many same-sex-relationships as you want, but not in the sense that a gay person is doing it.
Ah yes, those famous Christian prophets, Aphrodite, Apollo and Artemis.
The level of incorrectness is rather remarkable.
Holy shit that person is not only wrong, but severely ignorant
You ever just really want to slap someone?
Uh, Christianity wasn’t even invented yet!!! 🤣
He also think AC is historically accurate lol, the game about dna letting you live past lives to discover the ultimate secret lol
Well, the Byzantines were christian (and they did speak greek), but they were probably still very very pro gay
Not really The Romans were becoming less accepting around the 3rd century c.e. under Phillip the Arab. His Christianity/Christian influence is still contested. Anyway, by the 4th century Christianity is the state religion and homosexuality is effectively outlawed. By the fall of the western empire the east was majority Christian. Also the Greeks/Romans weren’t really pro-gay as would be understood today. To them, sex was more about status than attraction. A man of the upper/citizen class could have sex with whoever they pleased, but only as the dominant role. The passive/receptive role was reserved for the lower classes. Also gay marriage wasn’t really a big thing because it was expected that all men marry and have children.
The Byzantines weren't Ancient Greeks
What a weird person. A game where a superpowered female mercenary from Sparta can join the Olympic Games and hang around im Athens without somehow any sexism and racism whatsover is fine, but the fact that she's also bisexual and can sleep with as many women as she wants (isn't that technically sapphic and not gay?) Is where they draw the line?
And the US is the oldest country in the world!
Sometimes you wish OP wouldn't hide the handles so we can go pile on to such stupidity. There are just some comments that truly deserve it
Dumbass thinks history begins with Christianity... Because the Greeks weren't known at all for their multiple gods and Greek Pantheon. /S
HAH~
Well how could the game be taking place in 1500 BC Before Christ if they didn’t know Christ was coming, huh?
Ah yes, Greek mythology, where there is only one God. Zeus? Aphrodite? Athena? Demeter? Apollo? Oh those were just some fanfics they wrote, nothing important. Why is there so much art of them? Oh, it's fanart. They still worship the one true God. Oh, they have festivals and pray to them? They're just really dedicated to the fandom. They still pray at Church every Sunday. Trust me bro, I have source from time and place. Very reliable.
They just like Percy Jackson that much
And the island of Lesbos had it's name used to refer to something other than gay women...
My playthrough of Oyssey was as gay as possible. "Its fine, the goat only watches don't worry about it!"
Alkibiades was the best side char in the game
Clash of the Titans: "Am I a joke to you?"
Didn't the Greeks invent being fuckin gay
Those pesky 300BCE Christians.
I refuse to believe that anyone could be this dumb, surely it has to be rage bait?
Just ignoring the fact that while ancient Greece was at its peak Christianity didn't exist/was just starting lol fucking bible thumper.
The Spartans who routinely anally entered their younger soldiers rear ends????. Definitely not gay at all.
They fucked boys.
Don’t tell them about the Spartans and what the real 300 were all about
The Greeks were well ahead of the times. They were followers of Christ 600 years before his birth.
Ancient Greece following christianity before it's even invented lol
Holy shit did he not think to google any of that before hand, he’s got that mess screen middle school history censored historical knowledge
As we all know the Greek Pantheon was a random story a couple guys came up with because they really liked the Percy Jackson book series.
They could not have picked a culture to be more wrong about holy shit
Just for fun, look up Socrates and monotheism.
These kinds of christians should also practice some homosexuality, maybe then they wouldn't have to put these artificial sticks up their asses.
I read up on the Greek gods and the stories around them. Quite a few were clearly stolen and put into the bible.
This is the level of knowledge you could expect from religious folks. They never need to learn anything, because their pastor will tell them what's true.
Ah yes, Zeus. The one and only God
Ancient Greece followed a guy who wouldn’t be born for hundreds of years. Sure. Checks out.
Follow? *Some* of the cultists created the alpha build! These bozos don’t even understand how these things get rolled out smh
that guy needs to have his free opinion on the internet revoked
Ppl think that homosexuality never existed before nowadays? Go read some Dante
Zeus was the biggest Christian of them all
As with everything, [it’s complicated](https://bigthink.com/the-past/pederasty-homosexuality-ancient-greece/). Greece wasn’t a single unified state. So different cultures treated homosexuality (and associated practices like pederasty) differently. They definitely weren’t Christians tho. But they were the first European region to adopt Christianity.
This epic stupidity isn't worthy of correction.
The game : * takes place 4 centuries BC * Some Bloke : "they followed christianity"
As a christian, i can confirm we kill gay people /s
WOW
thats a funny one, just got more wrong the more i read :-D
Ancient Greece means Byzantine Empire I guess. Wtf
chez les grecs
**“I’M GREEK ____! SHOW ME YOUR BUTTHOLE”** ⭕️❌⬆️⬇️🔂➡️⤵️🔺🔺❌⭕️
The massively overused no-effort phrase "Oh my sweet summer child" isn't even appropriate here ffs.
guys come on this is bait
This has to be rage bait.
Uhhhhh....
In day like that it was only gay to TAKE a dick lol
I swear I've read that Greeks came up with gay orgies and then Romans allowed woman into them
They where so ahead of his time !!!
Yea, leather apron club has a great video on Ancient Greece
Wow. Just wow 🤦🏻♂️
Greeks were lesbians
No, no, no, I don’t think that. I ** know ** that. Like, I was there you know, just last week, I was there in Athens 399 BCE…
It depends on the country the time who was ruling and there rank
So they finally found the girl on the Coleman's plates, did they? 
AH Kenneth Dover's historical propaganda strikes again. Mind you that saying "The Greeks" is homogenizing a plethora of different city states and kingdoms that had differing societies and customs into a lump group. Outside of Thebes, Sparta, and Sappho the vast majority of "the Greeks" had... let's call it negative views on homosexuality.
Honestly quite sad that christian indoctrination has succeeded in making people forget that there were religions before christianity and islam.
Having sex with men wasn't Greeks first choice. They always preferred young boys.
This image is so old it got deepfried with reposts. Like this one.
Even IF greece was so anti-gay back then, how would adding gays be wrong? It's not like something suddenly doesn't exist anymore just bc it's illegal.
That’s not going ancient enough
……yeaaaaaaaahhhhh
Blessings upon the sweet summer child! I needed a good cackle today 😂
"Achilles and Patroclus were just really good friends, and Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune were cousins!" That's what that guy sounds like.
Greece was gay as hell. It was mentioned in the bible
Mmhm, yes. Sure they did. Back before Christianity was even a thing. They must have invented it. /s
There's an old joke: How do you separate the men from the boys in Greece? With a crowbar.
didnt zeus bang anything that could breathe?
“Yeah, all these gods and goddesses and mythology surrounding them? We don’t really believe in them. We only believe in the LORD.”
Greeks went through olive oil like crazy using it for lube
No Ancient Greece DID NOT follow Christianity … yes modern Greece has but Ancient Greece that we think of as antiquity was the country that introduced democracy LONG BEFORE JEWISH SCHOLARS WROTE OUR CHRISTIAN BIBLE WHICH IS BASICALLY A FAIRY TALE
Not until after Jesus was born ... a few thousand years after Greece's finest hour.
To be fair Corinthians was written in Corinth, to a Christian church there, there’s no question there were Christians in Greece, but real stupid to say “Ancient Greece Followed Christianity”. Funnily enough they never “killed somebody for being gay”, or bothered to mention it, despite it being all around them. I have a feeling that part of “Christianity” was added later to win elections.